NorCal Kayak Anglers
Kayak Fishing Zone => General Fishing Tips => Topic started by: Jude on November 27, 2015, 12:06:09 AM
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So as some of you who read my Tahoe report i lost the biggest Tahoe fish I ever had on the other day. Easily over 25lbs pounds. I was jiggin when i got slammed... The fish took s 200ft run at blistering speed. When i got to the 400+ ft of line on the spool the line began to cross thread between the guide and tension greatly increased. When i made my move to loosen drag the fish took off even more... Slammed my hands into the kayak and pinned me. Tension increased till the line broke.... My line broke at my back to back uni on the flourocarbon side. I was using 10lb seaguar for the first time, i dont like it clearly prob stick with pline. Anyway ive had many sleepless nights after losing this fish. Im interested if anyone uses the FG knot? What is the best way to tie it? Anyone use the Albright? Or improved bristol? Thoughts?
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Try this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRah3aNKpYw
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Try this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRah3aNKpYw
this is the knot i use, works great and its small.
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Have always used an Albright for connecting a mono leader to braid. Never had it fail, and was easy to tie. Always been bothered by the click click click through the guides though.
Recently gave the FG a try, and like it quite a bit. Super slim, super quiet through the guides, reletively easy to tie.
http://youtu.be/pjzUb5QRKuk
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Try this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRah3aNKpYw
this is the knot i use, works great and its small.
+ 1 but I thought this knot was called the Alberto knot. Either way it's the only one I use.
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Alberto knot
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Blood knot is what I use. It works great and once you've tied it a few times, it's easy. The trick with getting the braid/flouro to coil is to pull the tag end and main of the braid. The knot is very slim and I've only had it break do to my error. I've had a lot of large, hot fish pull on this connection and it's about 99%.
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That sucks about losing that fish. Happens, I guess. Alberto knot is pretty solid.
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I call BULLSHIT,
That "RP" knot was being used way back in the late 90's before it was a "RP" or "Alberto" and was shown to the crew by one of my customers. We have tied it in the Fresno F.W. store since 98 when one of our customers showed it to us.
Sorry for the rant, I won't name names (per customer request) but it is pretty lame to claim fame to something you didn't really do.
Anyone have any doubts, check my posts, and you will see that I posted the directions and illustration of this knot quite a ways back .
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I did some searching and found this thread: http://www.thebassbarn.com/forum/9-tackle-box/268417-modified-albright-crazy-alberto-knot-vs-uni-uni-knot.html?nocache=1448686921881
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I use this knot. It's really fast to tie OTW and casts through eyes very well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU1XmRGIOmg
Mike
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I'm not seeing a difference between the Alberto above and Albright special.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/28/09c886523e0953c5415072cd7e370e05.jpg)
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I use this knot. It's really fast to tie OTW and casts through eyes very well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU1XmRGIOmg
Mike
Also called the Yucatan Knot.
I used it until it failed on a big fish. Easy to tie but there are stronger knots.
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So, after it failed, Mike, which knot did you go to?
The Aussie requires two knots as you have to tie a Bimini first.
I have been using the uni-uni but am considering the FG.
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Also called the Yucatan Knot.
I used it until it failed on a big fish. Easy to tie but there are stronger knots.
I've also had the knot fail on me twice, both while fishing for trout, it pulled out both times on small fish. After messing with it a bit, I realized I needed to wrap more X's when using lighter line vs heavier line. I use to wrap everything 6 to 8 times. I now wrap 12 X's for 5lb - 8lb test and 9 X's for anything bigger. I also go through the loop at the beginning and at the end which he doesn't do in the video.
Mike
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"Blood knot is what I use. It works great and once you've tied it a few times, it's easy. The trick with getting the braid/flouro to coil is to pull the tag end and main of the braid. The knot is very slim and I've only had it break do to my error.
I've had a lot of large, hot fish pull on this connection and it's about 99%.<br/>"
Blood knot is small, goes thru guides easily, can be trimmed precisely, only problem is sometimes doesn't work when leader and braid are too different in diameter. Still my favorite, Alberto is next when blood knot doesn't stick.
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Try this! you might like it! I used this all the time and never failed me......yet! :smt003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ4IEr5_gr4
-Kiel
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Thx for all the replies i think im going to try and get good at a easy FG version
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Try this! you might like it! I used this all the time and never failed me......yet! :smt003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ4IEr5_gr4
-Kiel
No fail with the double uni, I have just had some issues with it catching on the rod eyes a bit. I am thinking I will try out the FG to see if it is more "passable" for casting.
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Uni sucks for me
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I'm not seeing a difference between the Alberto above and Albright special.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/28/09c886523e0953c5415072cd7e370e05.jpg)
Alberto uses wraps down AND wraps back. Albright just uses wraps in one direction (back).
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Try this! you might like it! I used this all the time and never failed me......yet! :smt003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ4IEr5_gr4
-Kiel
This is what use all the time. Its never failed me. I just add an extra 3 wraps on the spectra.
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i got tired of all the knots.
i went with hollow braid and wind on leaders. start up, cost some $$
but i really like it.
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John, any noticeable stretch with that hollow braid?
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John, any noticeable stretch with that hollow braid?
im running 60# seaguar threadlock i have not noticed any more stretch im sure theres a little more but i have not noticed it. the biggest reason i went hollow is i like to pitch live bait in the shallows with no weight, theres no knot to hang up in the eyelets when i cast , worth it to me. still a learning curve on splicing the hollow to floro ,mostly in the serving.
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Ive been using a Albright but recently changed it up to either Sebile or GT knot.
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Try this! you might like it! I used this all the time and never failed me......yet! :smt003
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ4IEr5_gr4
-Kiel
This is what use all the time. Its never failed me. I just add an extra 3 wraps on the spectra.
Me too. I stepped up to 30lb braid/ 30lb mono a few years back and have been happy with a well tied double uni. I used to use a 9/5 braid-to-mono wrap count, but have gone to a 6/10 wrap count.
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Back to back uni is too big when you have a big fish on you have to dip your rod to get it through first guide... Thats enough to lose a fish. Not to mention it gets beat up going through the guides. Unis are easy to tie but they suck. And they break flouro on big fish.
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Have been considering hollow braid for some time. Glad to hear it is working for you John. It would be a byatch trying to splice OTW.
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Have been considering hollow braid for some time. Glad to hear it is working for you John. It would be a byatch trying to splice OTW.
solution
1. whip a loop in mainline
2. pre make your leaders
3. a loop to loop conection in the hollow braid is very tiny and fast to change on the water
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Gonna have to try this!
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Back to back uni is too big when you have a big fish on you have to dip your rod to get it through first guide... Thats enough to lose a fish. Not to mention it gets beat up going through the guides. Unis are easy to tie but they suck. And they break flouro on big fish.
I beg to disagree.. I've pulled a lot of big fish out of heavy kelp and never had a problem.
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Back to back uni is too big when you have a big fish on you have to dip your rod to get it through first guide... Thats enough to lose a fish. Not to mention it gets beat up going through the guides. Unis are easy to tie but they suck. And they break flouro on big fish.
How many years have you been using the uni 2 uni on the salt? Ive been using that knot for a long time and have yet to break one. EVER. I got the fish to prove it too. LOL
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People of the Realm. :smt006
I recently had this issue. Being a fly fisherman, my go to knot for connecting two line of different sizes was always a uni to uni knot, which worked great. During recent striper excursions, inside the bay, i found out that braid does not last forever. I spooled my bait cast reel with a different brand of braid and connected my leader with a uni-uni knot. I lost a couple of lures because the knot was cutting my fluorocarbon. I changed to the albright, which also cut my line. I discovered this new way of tying a kind of GT knot. I was amazed that the breaking strength of the knot superseded the strength of the line of both lines.
The conclusions is that sometimes, one knot dose not work on all lines. Tie the easiest knot, try to break it to test the breaking strength of the knot. Do it a few times. Then work your way up to a harder knot.
My knot broke at about 17lb when tying a uni-uni knot to my 25lb braid to 30lb fluorocarbon. The albright broke at the knot at about 15lb. The improved albright broke at the knot at about 20lb. I couldn't break the GT knot with the same ease that I was able to break the other knots. After re-rigging to grip the line better, I was able to break the line, not at the knot, but at a weak point on the braid it at about 35lb.
Good Luck
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4R3_znSAPz8
https://youtu.be/4R3_znSAPz8
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I've used that get knot even with superglue... I'll stick with the Albright instead. Two basic knots new fisherman should learn is the Albright n palomar.
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Im talking about big fish that kick your ass more than lings... The uni works but it cuts flouro and is big. Big fish like this....
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Im talking about big fish that kick your ass more than lings... The uni works but it cuts flouro and is big. Big fish like this....
Nice!!! Have you ever caught a WSB? :smt002
-Kiel
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I'm in favor of a well tied Albright as well.
My best catch to date on an Albright was on my bait rod. 6.6 Uglystik/Shimano Sienna 2500 spooled with 10# braid with 12 feet of 10# mono for tying on jigs. Caught me a 43" 36.5# Bull redfish on my Hobie Revo with this rod while attempting to catch some bait fish. This Albright knot was going on 3 years and many many trout, bass, panfish, black rockfish, lings up to 27" on it already.
I was so impressed with this particular one knot, that when I had finally widdled my 10# mono down to needing to be replaced two years later, the knot was respectfully saved with about a foot of each line on either side left to show it off.
It is now oddly hanging on my drill press in my garage for some reason. 8)
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Too many salmon are lost at the boat with braided line. No stretch. I would never troll with braided line. Mono all the way. I use 8 wraps of braid to 5 of the floro. Whatever works for each individual works. That GT looks pretty cool though. Im going to tie some.
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Agree that mono stretch helps to land salmon but no stretch braid often gives a better hook set on the strike. Probably six of one half a dozen of the other . For salmon I use 20 feet of 80# test mono connected to braid. Got some stretch and the mono allows a tired fish to be played by hand to gaff or net without line cuts in the hands.
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Yeah ive caught wsb. I use 40lb mono for stretch on salmon. And ive always used a uni... No question it can work but it sucks in the guides. Hence me starting this topic.... Im looking for something better. I think the fg or gt is the ticket. I appreciate all the discussion.
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<snipped> ... I appreciate all the discussion.
Absolutely, me too! Thanks for putting this up, Jude. I'm gonna try some other knots and see what I like.
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Hey Bungle. Thanks for the video. I've used that knot for a couple years now, but never tied it that way. I always wrapped the criss crossing line over the tag end. (A pain to do that is tedious) but I always felt it was worth the effort for the superior knot result. An improvement on the finish is to throw in a half hitch to stop it from unraveling, but then finish it with a whip finish the same way they do on a bow string. First loop the braid tag and wrap it the opposite way 5-6 times then tie a uni in the opposite way you just wrapped the tag.(which unwinds the wraps you just put in) The end result is instead of back to back half hitches that can start to unravel one at a time, you have a "whip finished" just like a bow string or fly tie. It won't come undone and no need to glue it. The ultimate braid to mono knot. I'm going to practice the method in your video so I can do it in the field with ease. And finish it with my way... :smt004
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The video Icalopes posted is how I've always tied it. In fact that's THE video I learned it from. I like the "new way of tying it tho. No doubt it is the THE strongest lowest profile knot you can tie. I spent an entire day one time. Tying about fifty knots to do my own tests. I always tied two different knots in line to test which one survived the breaking point. The other end was tied to a large eyebolt in a post. With gloved hands I pulled until it snapped. Several reties of the same knots to be sure. Hands down the GT knot prevailed. I think it broke first one time and that was probably because I didn't tie it well. It also glides through the guides better than any other knot. It works like a Chinese finger cuff. The more you pull the more it grips the mono. Another little modification you can do is. Leave a short tag in the mono. then hold it up pulling the braid down out of the way. Lower a lighted lighter to it. This forms a tiny ball on the end of the mono, ensuring a no slip connection.
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Great thread, this will give me something to do this winter, practice,practice,practice until it becomes second nature. :smt003
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So GT & FG knot are essentially the same?
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So......what's the verdict ?, anybody try the FG or GT knot on the water yet ? Just tied the FG knot in the garage and the first one slipped apart, 2nd one held fine, just wondering, may go back to uni 2 uni.
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Easiest otw knot for me is a 3-4 turn surgons knot. Never had one come apart.
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So......what's the verdict ?, anybody try the FG or GT knot on the water yet ? Just tied the FG knot in the garage and the first one slipped apart, 2nd one held fine, just wondering, may go back to uni 2 uni.
I can weigh in on that. The FG knot, while initially cumbersome to tie, is now my go-to line-to-line connector knot. I started using it about two months ago and it hasn't failed me one bit. It travels through the guides almost effortlessly. So far it's withstood dozens of savage strikes from bruiser Lake Almanor browns, and was also my braid-to-fluoro connection when I caught my "devil fish" 15 pound mackinaw last week.
The knot takes a little practice, but once you've got it, you'll forget all about the double uni :smt001.
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I liked this knot because it's extremely easy and fast to tie OTW. If I have the time I'll tie a GT.
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Just tried FG knot for first time, it seems to be pretty easy (in-house ). Even I could do it ;)
of course, will require lots of practice before I try it on kayak
I like how thin it is, and all tests are very favorable
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Uni-Uni is my preferred knot. Never failed me yet.
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The key to getting most knots to be strong is tying them well.
One year at Fred Hall I stood around the knot breaking machine with Mark Shimizu. Same knot. Same line. His knots were consistently 10-35% stronger than anyone else.
Pretty much any of the popular connections like a uni-uni will suffice for around here. We don't have truly strong fish in NorCal and when combined with the slippage of a kayak our ability to truly test a knot is limited.
For rock fishing I tie a uni- uni simply for the ease of it and it has never failed.
For pelagics I use a Sebile (same as FG). Also never had a failure with fish pushing 200 pounds. While Sebile is super tiny and awesome coming thru the guides under load (when it really matters) it doesn't cast as well as other connections especially when using a spinning rod.
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I ordered some of these a while back but have not tried them yet: http://www.amazon.com/Partridge-Oval-Tippet-Rings-OTR/dp/B01DOI7S5O/ref=sr_1_10?ie=UTF8&qid=1463504776&sr=8-10&keywords=tippet+rings
I'm gonna tie the braid to the ring and then the 25 lb mono. I also plan to tie the dropper bait to the ring. I'm hoping any break-offs will be quick to re-tie. The tippet rings are 45 lb test.
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Granny over granny.....burn it. Give it to the kid, when he gets tired of knots breaking, he will learn how to do it himself.....In the meantime, Albright.
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Bump. Looking to tie top shot on my new reel. Want to try FG instead of double uni. Opinions?
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Bump. Looking to tie top shot on my new reel. Want to try FG instead of double uni. Opinions?
Briggsey's fg knot youtube
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Albright. It's never failed on me. The only problem is that sometimes it gets stuck on the guides. If I clean up the loose ends a little better that might go away.
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Albright for the win!
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I like the FG knot with Rizutto finish. Probably wouldn’t tie that one on the water though...
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Haven’t looked at all the responses but I like the Alberto knot. Kinda like Albright (easy to tie and goes through the eyelets smoothly) but stronger and doesn’t slip like the Albright can if it’s not tied right.
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double uni for me.
looked back at the start of this thread in 2015 and it is from an angler losing a fish that he approximated at 25lbs while using a uni knot and 10lb seagur. (didn't mention what it was connected to) line broke off after the fish took most of his line
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I like the FG knot with Rizutto finish. Probably wouldn’t tie that one on the water though...
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One of the best knots. Tie it 99% of the time for leader to mainline connections.
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I like the FG knot with Rizutto finish. Probably wouldn’t tie that one on the water though...
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One of the best knots. Tie it 99% of the time for leader to mainline connections.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mDip4_e4c0U
He ties that knot well and I love it.
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Haven’t looked at all the responses but I like the Alberto knot. Kinda like Albright (easy to tie and goes through the eyelets smoothly) but stronger and doesn’t slip like the Albright can if it’s not tied right.
+1. Tried them all and I go with alberto only because I can tie this faster than the other knots and it hasn't failed me. Albright has failed me, right as a tuna hit the deck, the leader slipped out. I guess that means it was slipping out the entire time. FG knot is a great knot too, but I take too long tying it and when done in a rush, it can definitely slip.
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the knot i'm best with is what my buddy called the Alberto Knot. looks like an Albright to me. (similar? Same?)
anyways, right or wrong..it is my best knot with my eyesight and sausage fingers. it hasnt failed me yet.
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https://www.saltstrong.com/articles/albright-vs-alberto-vs-fg-knot/
alberto vs albright vs fg
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If you have time the FG because of how slim it is. Fast and strong but larger the GT knot.