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Messages - christianbrat

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1
General Talk / Re: classifieds for sale
« on: February 27, 2024, 08:48:42 AM »
probably need to have more than 3 posts (10 I believe) to keep any scammers out

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General Fishing Tips / Re: Preserved baits?
« on: January 31, 2024, 05:02:26 PM »
I remember watching a YouTube video where someone trolled those shad for trout with some success. But I don't have a link as it was many years ago.

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General Talk / Re: Bay Area Reel Repair
« on: January 25, 2024, 09:01:20 AM »
AlanTani in Saratoga or AJ Garcia in Salinas

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Gearing Up and Rigging Up / Re: Reel Data via Bluetooth?
« on: January 17, 2024, 11:59:26 AM »
 my garmin has wifi and an app. maps are accessible and able to be modified on the app, Waypoints can be added, removed, Routes planned, and even quickdraw and community data added. Its very nice because i can use my phone to plan things out, then when it connects in the morning when I turn everything on, the data is shared between devices by the time I'm in the water.

I have a GPSMAP 742SX

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CA Regulations / Re: Halibut changes… permanent?
« on: December 19, 2023, 12:13:28 PM »
Damn you guys for sucking me into this discussion.  Been re-reading the 2011 stock assessment this morning.

Here is my biggest takeaway.  There is a leading indicator.  The Bay Delta Study Index, which is a measure of relative abundance, has extreme swings with peaks of ~5X the normal happening in 1993, 1999, and 2006.  Corresponding peaks in recreation catches happened 2 years after in 1995, 2001, and 2008.  That seems correlated!

The majority of fish in the Bay Delta Study Index were <22", just juveniles.  And of course the recreational catch were all over 22".  Those juvenviles grew into recreational catches 2 years later.

Interesting sidenote that I can't explain, the commercial catches peak about another 2 years later, not sure why.  They do fish in different areas like offshore trawl fisheries, so perhaps something to do with their migration patterns, just a guess.

Please, enjoy more reading ... https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=36259&inline

-Allen

than for posting that. Seems to be the best connection we can get and deffo brings some substance to the table. I hope a similar study is done for these closures

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CA Regulations / Re: Halibut changes… permanent?
« on: December 19, 2023, 07:22:16 AM »
Raise limit back to 3, sell halibut report cards, use proceeds and the no-turn in fees to fund yearly population sampling. hollyyy imagine the uproar that would cause. Even better if after a few years the data supported a 2 fish limit, the tantrums would be legendary.
Boo hoo let them cry. at least its irrefutable unlike emotional and impulsive changes.  That system seems a whole lot more effective than taking a sample every 10 years, deeming it unsuitable for proper stock modeling, and then changing the regs anyway.,

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CA Regulations / Re: Halibut changes… permanent?
« on: December 18, 2023, 04:01:09 PM »
Does anybody truly believe the emergency action to reduce CA halibut take to 2 is permanent? Because it is NOT permanent. That sort of ends this entire discussion. If you’ve been fishing & paying attention for long enough, you will see bag limits/minimum sizes/methods of take/etc are constantly changing. I appreciate the adaptive management approach the dept has been using the last 15yrs. The opposite/alternative would be to keep the same regs each season, regardless of the fishery health. That sounds worse, right?

How about we petition for more CA halibut regions? Because the populations are totally different in various regions. We currently have 2 regions: south & north of Pt Conception. But the SF bay population has nothing to do with the halibut in SLO or Tomales or Humboldt. In fact, if they split them up into the same categories as the respective marine regions, it would make a lot of sense: Northern, Mendo, SF, Central, and Southern.

I mean the CDFW says it's permanent... Sure they're not saying it can never be changed, but their point is the emergency reg is no longer an emergency reg, it's the NEW normal reg. nobody here thinks they're locking the 2 fish rule in and throwing away the key forever...

"The proposed regulation change aims to make permanent the existing two-fish daily bag and
possession limit in northern California established by emergency regulation in Section 28.15,
through a regular rulemaking (certificate of compliance). It is expected that the fishery will
require additional time to rebuild following the high take caused by an effort shift from the
salmon and nearshore groundfish closures, and environmental conditions, documented in
2023. Due to the necessity displayed by the emergency regulation, and interest from the
recreational industry for increased stability in the halibut population, the Department has
determined that the fishery should not revert to a bag limit of three fish in this region."

I'd also like to point out they openly admit they're not using data-driven decision-making here. They just say (paraphrasing for those who take things literally) "The fishermen said to do it, so we will do it, also they told us to do it for the emergency regulations back when the salmon season closed." Both of their supporting reasons are disconnected from data..  Similar to this 20 fathom kayak only discussion. it's not data-driven rulemaking, it's just pandering to the masses with some pseudoenvironmentalist crap.

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CA Regulations / Re: Halibut changes… permanent?
« on: December 18, 2023, 11:55:01 AM »
The scientific models are there.  It's more than a guess.  However, one real issue is that the last stock assessment done in 2020 resulted in the following, "The Panel does not consider the northern area base model for halibut to be adequate for use in management".

Read more here, https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=193537&inline

Note that the reasons are mostly modeling issues.  I don't see any issues raised with data gathering.

You all keep talking about lack of data, but do you even know what data exists?  I think that is a large part of the problem, it's difficult for the general public to find the data.  Ideally we have up-to-date stock assessments.  However, I can't even find the full 2020 stock assessment, perhaps because it wasn't "ratified", and the previous one was in 2011.

-Allen

for all intents and purposes, if the data exists but is so difficult to access / unable to be accessed / unfit for use, it may as well not exist at all. part of creating a valid test/model is that it should be repeatable.  nobody can repeat this because there's not a standard procedure

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CA Regulations / Re: Halibut changes… permanent?
« on: December 18, 2023, 08:50:50 AM »
It is all projection and guess without a report card or quota. There is no way for them to even know (especially this year) how many recreational guys are out each day and how many are taking limits. Especially with the species closures this year they have even less a clue what is going on. Nobody knows. there's an influx of commercial guys too, at least they have a clue on permits pulled.  :thumbdown

Malibu, I guess the question is then, without data, how small of a sample group's opinion/experience are you willing to accept as fact? your local tomales bay kayak buddies is enough to project regs across the state?   


All im saying is if a decision is being made, there needs to be some baseline or foundation or structure to the decision.  Right now we have a powerpoint that shows a single graph from one subset of the people fishing (Charter boats) with no data sources referenced.  I cant even look at the actual numbers because they're not referenced or included....  So, to say people are complaining about having no data, then providing the only single source of data which is done on a volunteer basis, irregularly, and without any rhyme or reason is not very helpful.. What makes it a good chart Pole? Is it the poor sample sample selection, or just cuz its pretty. fish counters go to like 1 dock for a day on a weekend.... lol

1) Collect real data, even if it require #s from all anglers, all the time. logging released fish and kept fish on a report card is not hard; make an app or something. The possession limit is daily limits anyway, so unless you're eating 1 halibut a week, you're not going to have more than like 20 keeper fish on your docket anyway.    If we are making decisions they should be informed, and until we can make informed decisions I don't think it is correct to make uninformed or poorly informed ones.    Of course this is just my opinion, but if other people's just as "poorly" informed opinion is all it takes to change regs, mines worth just as much.

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CA Regulations / Re: Halibut changes… permanent?
« on: December 15, 2023, 04:20:18 PM »
look at where all these record CA hali are coming from; the socal fishery is alive and very well

Do you have data to back this up? Or just pictures on Facebook of big halibut?
Anyway, in SoCal, they have lots more species to target than we do up here, so I'm guessing the pressure on the halibut is much less.
if you read the part of my quote, just before you trimmed, you'll notice I mention "by the way, the tens of years of empirical evidence we all have is in support of the long-standing 5 fish socal limit."

Malibu two, respectfully, how could you get to page 3 of this thread and ask such a question? It is pretty clear there is no data being used to drive these decisions. At least no public data, and that is a red flag.

That said yeah i guess the fish sniffer report is the best data we have until the DFG Decides to publish some, but first they would need to implement a way to collect it lol.  might as well focus on commercial take since that's the only measured facet rn


Also socal may have some pelagics (which by the way, norcal and central cal now have), but we have hundreds of rockfish species they dont, salmon they dont, rivers and a huge delta region with steelhead and stripers that they dont.

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CA Regulations / Re: Halibut changes… permanent?
« on: December 11, 2023, 09:01:27 AM »
And for those of you who like to say, "Show us the data", two can play this game: Why don't you show us the data that supports the higher take? Until then, perhaps it would be wise to lean toward a conservative approach to this. After all, we are approaching the point of having nothing left to fish for.

Thats a fallacy. not only is it different to change the rules versus to maintain the long-standing rules, but it is an appeal to authority, and the authority here has no more insight than anyone else does without the data (by the way, the tens of years of empirical evidence we all have is in support of the long-standing 5 fish socal limit. look at where all these record CA hali are coming from; the socal fishery is alive and very well).  We could go on and talk about where the burden of proof falls too. 

impulsive reaction is never to be confused for an informed response, but as of recent in all facets of politics this is blatantly overlooked

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CA Regulations / Re: Halibut changes… permanent?
« on: December 08, 2023, 08:13:43 AM »
I don’t mind John’s suggestion. What about commercial? What can we do there? What would folks recommend for balance?

commie hali has 0 quota. none. maybe that's a more effective and higher-impact strategy to save the fish than giving the dudes on kayaks and skiffs catching 2 to 3 fish a trip another hit to the face

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CA Regulations / Re: Halibut changes… permanent?
« on: December 06, 2023, 01:57:52 PM »
all they need to do is show us the data. something of substance that supports this for x y or z reason... but they wont... why is that?  :smt002

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General Talk / Re: Radiuo-controlled Whatever
« on: December 06, 2023, 07:23:28 AM »
I have been flying drones on and off for the last several years.

[...]

Paul

I figured it out!  Several - many - of the DJI drones can stay in the air for 20+ minutes, but they seem to be the exception, not the rule.  I apologize for being surprised that any drone could fly that long.

I'm not sure I know enough to recognize that I'm still stupid.

not exactly... i sent you my phone number, give me a call. i used to build commercial camera drones prior to the FAA takeover

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