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General => Fish Talk => Topic started by: jmairey on December 15, 2005, 05:58:02 PM

Title: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 15, 2005, 05:58:02 PM
maybe a good thing:

http://www.sharkresearchcommittee.com/pacific_coast_shark_news.htm

Mavericks  —   On November 3, 2005, Tim West and Chris Loeswick were surfing Pillar Point at Mavericks in Half Moon Bay. It was 4:45 PM and they were about 400 yards from Sail Rock and 750 yards from shore. The swell was about 11 feet with limited water visibility from suspended debris in the water. Dan Temko, Harbor Master, Half Moon Bay reported the following; “West and Loeswick were surfing the inside break at Pillar Point and saw good waves forming on the outside. West started paddling over the channel that leads to the outside break. It was low tide and the depth of the water was 22 feet on the edge of the shelf. West’s board was struck from below lifting West and the board about 2 feet out of the water. West fell into the water and his board landed several feet away. There was a lot of thrashing by the White Shark for 3 – 5 seconds when it struck the board. It departed without any further actions toward the surfers or the board. A tooth was discovered buried in the bottom of the board.” White Sharks are known to frequent this area. Caution should be exercised when utilizing this location for your ocean water activities. Additional information will be posted when available. This is the third White Shark attack to be reported from California in the past 15 days and fourth for this year. Please report any shark sighting, encounter, or attack to the Shark Research Committee.


if you were old and crusty like me I wouldn't warn you, but I'd hate to see a youngun chomped.
Title: Re: Half Moon Bay 12-11-05
Post by: Bill on December 15, 2005, 06:45:38 PM
You guys are pumping the GWS attack propaganda way out of proportion  :smt011
Title: Re: Half Moon Bay 12-11-05
Post by: jmairey on December 15, 2005, 08:41:37 PM
Bill, please elaborate.

since your post followed mine, I assume 'you guys'
includes me.  :smt010 :smt009

So far I haven't seen false information posted or anything. pretty much facts? no?

Seems like 18 foot long 5000lb man-eating fish that frequent our local fishing grounds
are worth talking about? I sure hope so!

It's scary sure, in fact it's really scary, but that's no excuse for not talking about it.

Well, maybe that's a reason for not talking about it, but that's denial man, denial!
that's a reason, it's not an excuse. there's a difference.

If anything there's not enough info. Assessing risks is difficult at best.
For example, is it more dangerous to drive to fish or to actually fish? I'm not entirely
sure, none of us have been killed by drunk drivers or by sharks. so who knows.

I can't even find any hard info on this one fatal kayak attack. can you? All I see is that
it happened at malibu. (does potto know about this one I wonder?)

But this is your site, you tell me what I can post about any risks to kayak
fisherman and what I can't and I'll abide by your rules.

maybe you need a special scary forum. urchins. sharks. drunk drivers. waves.
fog. a place for the trouble makers of the world really.

sincerely,

j





Title: Re: Half Moon Bay 12-11-05
Post by: LoletaEric on December 15, 2005, 09:15:41 PM
JMairey is freaking me out--I love it!   :smt002  Get me scared enough to where I don't mind not going for lingcod and abs until next April and I'll be happy.  The GWS issue is one not to ignore, but you have to accept it to be doing what we're doing.  Sure, I'm not going salmon fishing at the mouth of the Klamath in late summer--unless we have a group!  But really, I'm not going to seek out known 'sharky' spots, but I do end up yakking and diving in and around them at times...  It's about minimizing risks while having the ability to enjoy an area to some extent.  Some well-informed and reasonably responsible extent.  Now, this extent is no doubt different for us vs. our wives/SO's, and we must also weigh that factor when deciding on a reasonably responsible risk.  It's similar to surfing in more ways than just the shark--a pro died on the North Shore recently--I doubt that anyone quit surfing...
Title: Re: Half Moon Bay 12-11-05
Post by: Bill on December 15, 2005, 10:21:59 PM
I guess I am just reacting to the fact that it seems like every other post includes some GWS factoids lately. There have only been what 3 reported GWS attacks on kayaks in the entire history of reported attacks on the west coast. The chances of getting attacked by a GWS on a  kayak are so incredibly small I don't think getting all worked up about is worth anyone getting worried about it. People do far more stupid things that will get them killed on the ocean and no one seems to worry about that. Not having a VHF radio while fishing on the ocean, going out alone, in the fog, not filing a float plan. All of us is guilty of of least one of these errors in the past. Let's not even get into the risk of driving to fish  :smt003

You can talk about whatever you want on this forum, I am not going to censor any topic, as long as it is relevant. I just get a little goofy when I picture someone who might be interested in fishing on the ocean but they are terrified of getting attacked by a GWS. I would hate to propagate that fear when it appears that given current historical evidence the likelihood of that occurring is very very small.
Title: Re: Half Moon Bay 12-11-05
Post by: mickfish on December 16, 2005, 08:32:34 AM
Well said Bill
Title: Re: Half Moon Bay 12-11-05
Post by: mooch on December 16, 2005, 08:45:10 AM
I really hate to say this...but I predict that a kayak fisherman will be tagged by a GW within a couple of years. It's just a matter of time. There's more and more kayak fishermen getting out there these days AND since the White shark has been protected for a while now...we are seeing the baby boom generation. I'm no expert on the matter but it just makes sense :smt002 Several reports of hooked fish getting snatched by a GW right by the boat.....I can see that happening to a kayaker. So, keep your feet on board ...especially if you have a bleeding,struggling fish at the end of your line :smt002

But this will not stop me from pursuing "game" from my kayak  :smt117
Title: Re: Half Moon Bay 12-11-05
Post by: Bill on December 16, 2005, 11:48:27 AM
Guys all this censor talk is getting me depressed. I have never censored anyone here.  :smt011

Don't make me censor your censor comments.  :smt003
Title: Re: Half Moon Bay 12-11-05
Post by: jmairey on December 16, 2005, 03:41:58 PM
Bluekayak, stop talking about sharks and go answer my darn salmon trolling questions!
I want to know how much line to start with, and what you do after 30 minutes of
not catching anything. If you would stick to the knitting we wouldn't be getting in trouble here!

okay, for the rest of you:

I scared Abking? wow!   :smt004

For myself, I intend to fish pretty much every spot except the aNo island itself.
And that's mainly because those pinnipeds stink and those darn pelicans
poop on you.

So Bill, I'll see you out there,  :smt006.

But I agree with Mooch. There will be an encounter in the next 5 years. I'll lay
money down on that one. And it's speculation but common sense says there are more sharks.
The number of attacks is definitely on the increase. Bill you make a mistake when you look at
the last 150 years. try looking at just the last two!

I think there are more sharks out there these days due to protection and a more
healthy ecosystem. 20 juvenile (5ft) white sharks were sighted feasting on grunion just
a few years ago. for example.

There are quite a pile ofnewbs paddling out on cute primary colored plastic boats to fish, me
included, and also a few burly outdoorsmen types like abking and bluekayak and scwafish among others.
but we are all on a collision path with the protected and increasing GWS.

Will the enounter be fatal when it happens? I doubt it. If you see the fish first,
then either it's a driveby or maybe you get bumped or the fish nibbles on
the front or back. In that scenario, you are probably okay. In the other case where it
does the polaris missle attack on you because you look like a nice thing to eat,
well hopefully you don't get bit or impacted too bad. The shark probably won't
come back after it figures out it made a mistake and hit a plastic imitation of something
good to eat. Either way you stand a good chance of avoiding direct munchification.

So that's why I'm going fishing. Cause I think I'll live through whatever happens.

But you never know.

(I'd really like to know the details on this kayak death in 1989 in malibu).

Unlike scallen, I feel safer on a 15foot kayak even 3 miles out than I do
on a 6'6" hunk of foam sunk up to my sternum, at least as far as the survivablity goes.

I also don't use a radio, a gps, a pfd, file a float plan and I fish alone at times. hey I
surf, it's no worse than that.  I might get a compass tho.

But I have some limits.

I probably won't ab dive. Randy Fry's head washed up 3 days later. somebody
found it while walking the beach. my head gets bitten off, I want to be in
deep water where they never find it.

I cringe watching a newb or kid head out into danger unawares.

I got two boys and they aren't doing anything too crazy until they are old enough to tell me
to eFF off.

more scary stories:

My parter in my company is 45 and has lived in the area for 45 years, windsurfing a number of
them and even having a windsurfing store in berkely.

he claims the distinct pleasure of seeing 3 GWS up close and personal:

1. davenport. small, 12 foot. while windsurfing.

2. natural bridges. huge. bus-like. while windsurfing,
went directly over it. he windsurfs less now.

3. new brighton. surfaced right near shore and scared
the bejeezus out of people for miles. this was about 30 years ago.

How many degress of Kevin Bacon do you have to go to get to a GWS witness?
 :smt003


Title: Re: Half Moon Bay 12-11-05
Post by: Bill on December 16, 2005, 05:20:19 PM
Kayakers in the last 2 years? I don't see any, at least on this page

http://www.sharkresearchcommittee.com/unprovoked_kayaker.htm

Last one was 1995. This page list all for 2000- forward again no kayaks, lots of surfers though

http://www.sharkresearchcommittee.com/2000.htm

From 1900-today 10 people have died from a GWS, with only one of those being a kayaker. I would wager more people die every day from bee stings or peanuts.

I will take your and moochs bet. Define what "tag" is to be clear. Not a bump, not a stolen fish but an unprovoked (no baiting) bite inflicted on a kayak fisherperson. If that happens in the next 5 years I will buy you both a meal at Ono's.
Title: Re: Half Moon Bay 12-11-05
Post by: jmairey on December 16, 2005, 06:20:31 PM
Bill, with all due respect to the officiaal NCKA handyman, you are too easily defeated.  :violent5:

big increase in attacks 2000 to 2005. I'm not limiting it to kayakers. see below.

In my book, kayakers, windsurfers, divers, surfers are all in the same 'boat', more or less. human powered,
shark vulnerable.

Regarding your bet, I'd have to include a stolen fish, a definitive sighting (with photo) or a sighting + bump as an encounter. any of those
would be enough to stop a lot of people from ever going out again and have to be taken seriously as such.
5 year window and you got a deal.  :smt003.

here's an interview with Ralph Collier (official handyman of sharkresearchcommittee.com)
where he discusses the increase in incidents in recent years.

http://www.surfermag.com/features/onlineexclusives/shark04/

SURFERMAG.COM: A more than triple increase in the average of attacks in the past four years is rather alarming to most of us who spend a lot of time in the water. It is probably extremely difficult to pinpoint the factors that contributed to the increase, but what are some of the possibilities?

Ralph S. Collier: First of all, the tripling is in reference to the number of white shark attacks. We have averaged just slightly more than one white shark attack per year during the 20th century. During the first four years of this century we have experienced 16 white shark attacks, which is an average of four shark attacks per year. Which is more than triple in average. But as far as what some of the possibilities are for this increase it could be the result of a number of factors. One is that there could have been an increase in population of ocean-user groups; i.e. there are more divers, swimmers, surfers and kayakers going to the beaches utilizing the ocean, therefore we have more people being placed in a position where they might have an interaction with a shark. The other thing that could be taking place is that the white shark has been protected for the past 10 years. This protection, although not infallible, probably has allowed a larger survivable population, annually, of juveniles. Gill net fishing is much more restricted today than it was 10 or 20 years ago. There are lots of other factors, like an increase in ocean-user groups could mean that there are more people around to observe and report shark activity than before. More sharks being closer to shore this year might have been a result of unusual or anomalous oceanographic conditions.

SURFERMAG.COM: On your Web site you mentioned that the nine attacks on the Pacific coast of North America were the most ever recorded for great white shark attacks anywhere in the world. Are there generally more attacks on the Pacific coast of North America than other places in the world?

Ralph S. Collier: Let me give you a few statistics. From 1852 to 2004, 93 white shark attacks were authenticated from South Africa. Now that’s a period of 152 years. Now if we look at Australia, where everyone thinks that you have the highest incidence of white shark interactions with humans, there have been this is according to an e-mail I received from a colleague in New South Wales, who is the head of the South Australian Shark Attack File he informed me that they have, in a period of 213 years, recorded a grand total of 79 authenticated white shark attacks in Australia. In North America, we have a total of 110 authenticated white shark attacks from 1926 to the present.

SURFERMAG.COM: Do you have any theories on why this is?

Ralph S. Collier: The reason that we have more interactions is probably again a multiple faceted reason. Number one, marine mammals have been protected now for right around 30 years. So the marine mammal population is growing, and has been growing by leaps and bounds.

SURFERMAG.COM: And I would assume then that in other places they aren’t?

Ralph S. Collier: Other locations, they’re probably protected but I don’t know that their numbers are as great as they are here. I don’t know where the juveniles are pupped in Australia. To be honest with you, I’ve never been able to get a firm handle on where they catch juvenile white sharks in the 3- and 4-foot range. There just isn’t any data on that. But I do know that they’ve [fishermen] been catching juvenile white sharks from Point Conception down into Mexico since the early 1930s. The adults are being brought into this area because it’s a good place for them to give birth. Now, the parent leaves after giving birth because you have to have segregation between the adult and the juvenile, otherwise within a few days of giving birth, the mother will start feeding and shell eat her own young. So the females, generally we see them out at the islands. There are frequently large numbers of them in the spring, in San Clemente, Catalina, the Southern California islands. Then the sharks seem to move northward. We don’t have as many reports of sightings down here and they start showing up in Central and Northern California. Well, this is all movement associated with prey. Animals follow their prey. Sharks do what they do based on food and/or mating, and/or giving birth, and when the sharks move north that happens to be the time of the year when we start getting spawns of salmon and steelhead. And these things start occurring along the coastal rivers of Central and Northern California and now we start seeing more white sharks along these areas, because white sharks eat salmon and they also eat seals which come in close to shore to feed on the salmon. So you basically have a circular chain where you have fish coming ashore to go upriver to spawn, you have seals coming in to feed on those fish and then you have white sharks coming in to feed on the fish and the seals. And in the middle of all this, a lot of good places to surf are near rivermouths because the river brings down silt, which creates sandbars, which causes the waves to have nice shape. So its unfortunate that all of these places that these animals go to do what Mother Nature has taught them, happen to be the same places that are good for us to go enjoy our favorite sport.

SURFERMAG.COM: In your book you mention that 60% of great white attacks were from a recurring location. What are some of these locations?

Ralph S. Collier: Some of the recurring locations off the top of my head are the Farallon Islands. Tomales Point in Northern California. In Southern California, some of the recurring locations would be Paradise Cove, Malibu. La Jolla, we’ve had several attacks in La Jolla. One fatal. There was a fatal attack in Malibu, Paradise Cove, on a kayaker in 1989.

SURFERMAG.COM: I think there’s a common misconception that sharks primarily hunt with their sense of smell. What is the primary sense that makes sharks such efficient predators?

Ralph S. Collier: It’s an efficient use of a number of sensory systems. Sharks have a lateral line, which for things like explosions or splashing, they can sense displacement of water at quite a distance, using a lateral line and hearing as well. When they get close to an object, lets say they smell blood in the water from a dead whale, they will follow that back to the animal. Depending on water clarity, when they get close enough, vision takes over. Short distances, we believe based on water visibility, white sharks are probably more of a visual predator within 20 to 30 meters of their prey. And that is probably best emphasized by the fact that if you microscopically examine the retina of a white shark eye, you will notice that they have the same ratio of rods to cones as a human. Which means, not only do they have the same acuity that you and I have to determine finite detail on objects, not only up close, but also at distances, but they also have the ability to see colors.

SURFERMAG.COM: What is the largest adult white shark you’ve observed?

Ralph S. Collier: 19 feet, 3.5 inches, and it weighed 4,680 pounds, I think. The heaviest great white I’ve ever worked with was a female that was 16 ft., 9 in. and weighed 4,745 lbs.

SURFERMAG.COM: Is there anything you can suggest to surfers who might encounter a great white shark?

Ralph S. Collier: The first thing I would suggest if a shark comes upon you, and you see him, odds are pretty good that its not going to strike you. The reason is that usually predators do not announce themselves to an unsuspecting prey, so he’s probably more curious than anything. If you see the animal, try to remain calm; if it’s at the surface, try to keep sight of it. Do not make any sudden, quick moves. Keep sight of the animal. When the opportunity presents itself, I would make for shore. Do whatever you have to do to remove yourself from the water as quickly, as quietly, as smoothly as possible. Don’t do any excessive splashing. Don’t flail your arms in the water and start digging like crazy for the shore. Because that sudden burst of energy and noise might attract the animal and make it a little more curious and think that you might be something that is trying to flee. You basically just need to remain calm and let it check you out. I cant tell you how many dozens upon dozens of reports I get every year of a white shark coming up alongside a surfer and circling the board a couple times and then just swimming off. They’re more curious about surfers than they are intent on eating them. White sharks, because of their vision, I do not believe, based on my research, that attacks on surfers are the result of mistaken identity, as it is referred to, which is really a predatory attack. I think some of the attacks on surfers are predatory, but I think the majority of interactions are more out of investigation and curiosity.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bill on December 16, 2005, 10:55:32 PM
I split this off so it does not get buried in some random HMB report thread. I do think this is an important topic.

Since this is a kayak site I think we should limit it to kayakers, after all I think we have a much different profile in the water when compared to surfers and divers. Not many 15" surfboards out there and I am pretty sure there is not surfboard that matches a OK Drifter profile either. Surfing and diving/swimming are far more dangerous from an historical perspective than kayaking in terms of GWS attacks, the stats bear that out.

So I have to hold firm on the fish issue, if I shark attacks a fish on your line it is clearly going after the fish and not the kayak. This is a shark attack on a fish. When a sea lion grabs a fish we don't start screaming a sea lion attacked a kayaker. I am talking about attacks not sightings. Sightings, while scary, are not going to hurt anyone and therefore are not dangerous. See the point below about "if you see one it will probably not attack you" Now if I saw one and would certainly vacant the area and then scoop the poo out of my wetsuit but by and large I would be ok.

So attack on a kayaker where the kayak is actually struck, preferably without a fish/seal/sea lion involved within the next 5 years. I will buy a meal at Ono for Mooch, Jmairy, and Blue Kayak (since he is the top of the list to be the person hit  :smt002)

I am not debating that attacks are increasing, just debating that those attacks are more likely to impact kayakers. I am not saying it can't happen, or even that it won't happen. I am just saying that is it not very likely to happen and I certainly don't want it to happen to anyone.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 16, 2005, 11:56:12 PM
Your bet is on. mark it on your calendar, 5 years hence. december 16 2010.

if we make it with no attacks on kayaks, by your definition, I'll buy the lunch.   :smt006
Be the best lunch I ever bought. And if you have to buy one for me and mooch and paul,
or just two of us,  :smt010, hopefully the person involved will be uninjured.
or a so cal guy. okay, just kidding...  :smt003

Now, if a powerboater gets eaten off the side or sunk or something tho, that's drinks
all round,  :smt001. unless it's alan tani, but the rest of those losers, miller time!
Now I'm only half kidding.  cause if one of us gets eaten I can just see the
smart ass remarks on coastside... :smt012

I'm also quitting my job as self-appointed warner of all kooks, barneys, willbers, noobs,
kids, dorks, vals, ignorant fools, and other people that have no clue. Cause with this
bet Bill, you just got that job,  :smt003.  keep 'em safe.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 17, 2005, 11:27:04 AM
This link should probably be reposted: http://www.pelagic.org

I'm actually pretty darn left of center (when not completely apolitical)
and elitist to boot, but this guy sean van sommeran has me beat by a mile.

paul, no offense, but I wouldn't hire you as my lobbyist. 
Scallen's friend, sean van sommeran, is gonna take you out
like a sniper on a roof, like a D.J. in a booth... he's a professional.

personally, I think the path is clear: GWS and humans are on some
kind of collision course as long as people go in the water and GWS
and marine mammals are fully protected. something has to give.
whether that takes 5 years, 10 years or 20 I don't know, but it'll
happen.

An interesting question is whether a limited # of GWS kill permits
should be given out.  They could probably sell them for thousands
of dollars each, maybe more.  That buys a lot of protection for other things.
5 sharks @ 20K a pop is an extra game warden or a lot of fish stocked, etc.

10 years of protection is a lot. If the GWS eats a few people the
backlash could be strong, the shark will suffer, or else there'll be a
lot of legislation prohibiting use of the ocean.  It's possible they'll
let it all go, but I doubt it, this is a legislation happy country. At some point,
you'd think even a guy like sean van sommeran would realize that.
Probably not much good will come from the collision of a booming
GWS population and humans.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Malibu_Two on December 17, 2005, 02:03:46 PM
This link should probably be reposted: http://www.pelagic.org

personally, I think the path is clear: GWS and humans are on some
kind of collision course as long as people go in the water and GWS
and marine mammals are fully protected. something has to give.
whether that takes 5 years, 10 years or 20 I don't know, but it'll
happen.

An interesting question is whether a limited # of GWS kill permits
should be given out.  They could probably sell them for thousands
of dollars each, maybe more.  That buys a lot of protection for other things.
5 sharks @ 20K a pop is an extra game warden or a lot of fish stocked, etc.


A collision course? You make it sound like some sort of apocalypse is coming. When it "happens," what should we expect to see? Great whites dragging boaters and beachgoers out to see in a massive-scale attack? Maybe attacks are on the rise, but it's hard to envision an inevitable clash between a land mammal (that only uses the ocean for recreation) and a fish.

It was a shame about Randy Fry, but his head washing up on a beach doesn't make his demise more deserving of retribuation against great whites. I'm not quite sure why you threw that tidbit of info into your earlier post - sounds like shock value.

I also can't see the reasoning in selling hunting permits for great whites. California is one of the few places where great whites are protected, and to suddenly un-protect them would be a step in the wrong direction. We know very little about these sharks, and until we fully understand their life cycles, we should maintain their status as a protected species.

I'd say that sea lions are more overpopulated (and more of a nuisance) than sharks. I'd be in full support of reducing the population of pinnipeds which would, in theory, curb the GWS population, or at least send them somewhere else to hunt.

Blue Kayak, what IS wrong with that photo? I've been looking at it and can't figure it out.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Tote on December 17, 2005, 05:20:57 PM
Looks like I will at least have to DOUBLE my time on the water next season, that's how worried I am about an attack.
Gonna make sure my ab card is full next year too.
Bottom line...the Tax Man can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, so why sweat it?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 17, 2005, 06:08:02 PM

blue, maybe I should leave names out of it. I don't know. I never do.
at some point tho, names come in to it. For the record, I'm a fan of
your whole schtick. keep catching fish and posting pics for us! It sounds like
you might have a lung issue, best wishes on that one.

regarding the permit thing, there would be a limited number a year, like 10.
they could auction them off or some thing. highest bidder. or just put a really
high price on them. I think a tarpon permit is really expensive in florida.
it's the same kind of deal. They would still be protected. But there would
be a pressure relief valve of sorts.

malibu, if it sounded apocalyptic, I think you have to ask if that's
how you read it. It's hard to separate how one reads things from how they
were written. everybody interprets things differently. I do tend to be a little
hyperbolic, mainly because I don't have the patience to make a point gently.
don't let that cloud the message.

best,

j



Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Malibu_Two on December 17, 2005, 06:25:37 PM

blue, maybe I should leave names out of it. I don't know. I never do.
at some point tho, names come in to it. For the record, I'm a fan of
your whole schtick. keep catching fish and posting pics for us! It sounds like
you might have a lung issue, best wishes on that one.

regarding the permit thing, there would be a limited number a year, like 10.
they could auction them off or some thing. highest bidder. or just put a really
high price on them. I think a tarpon permit is really expensive in florida.
it's the same kind of deal. They would still be protected. But there would
be a pressure relief valve of sorts.

malibu, if it sounded apocalyptic, I think you have to ask if that's
how you read it. It's hard to separate how one reads things from how they
were written. everybody interprets things differently. I do tend to be a little
hyperbolic, mainly because I don't have the patience to make a point gently.
don't let that cloud the message.

best,

j





No problem, sorry about that...Maybe I read it differently than you intended...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Malibu_Two on December 17, 2005, 06:42:03 PM
I still can't place it...I'm guessing it's the Dux buoy. I see two birds on it...hmmm, no sea lions on it. the water looks choppy. There looks like a disturbance of some sort in the water to the left of the buoy, but maybe I'm just reaching too far. I'm not sure what I'm looking for...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Malibu_Two on December 17, 2005, 06:43:45 PM
What's that green square on the left of the buoy. opposite the DR on the right side?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: granitedive on December 17, 2005, 08:46:34 PM
1) Bill, don't forget there are a fair number of us that dive from our kayaks. Don't make us feel left out by not including us in the shark bait statistics! (I know that once we leave the confines of the boat we're no longer yakking, but my point is that we post here and worry there.)

2) The use of surfboards by the researchers to attract sharks seems nothing but ludicrous to me. Really so since some of them are surfers!

3) Don't get too carried away with the huge profits to be made from shark permits. Not fair to the guys who don't have the 36' boat, and certainly not a trend I'd like to start as applies to salmon, etc.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: granitedive on December 17, 2005, 10:41:00 PM
Blue, why are your diving days over? Sorry to here that (I'd picture you taking a WS freediving :smt002).
From the lecture I went to by the Pelagic research foundation and from the book I recently read (Jaws of Death?), I gleaned that surfboards were a mainstay of shark lures. I certainly don't mean to disrespect the research or researchers, and I think I understand the fascination of seeing such an animal up close (never seen one myself except in the Monterey aquarium); I just don't understand what sort of knowledge has been gained by constantly luring in GW's to a boat and filming them. It doesn't seem like the a scientific method of study like tagging or counting. Also, it seems there was some animosity from the researchers toward the Great White expeditions, a cage diving company that operates at the Farallons. It seems to me that they were doing pretty much the same thing the researchers were doing - attractring sharks so that people can look at them. Sure there was money involved, but there is in any dive operation. And unless it's a hunting trip, that's what you're paying to do - look at beautiful fascinating creatures. Certainly the most exciting dive I ever did was a shark dive in the Coral Sea. It is WAY educational too.
Lastly, I think Blue and I would agree, you can't over-emphasize the troubling trend of sharks grabbing fish at boats. If anyone trusts the aim of a 15' hungry great white to just grab the fish and not touch the kayak or it's occupant, I think they are being naive. And with the narrow less-stable boats such as my Nomad, the only way to fight a bigger fish without tipping is to hang your feet over the side. I'm hoping my next ride will be different...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Malibu_Two on December 18, 2005, 07:26:23 AM
Malibu2

You been out to Dux much?

Only once this past summer. I trolled around the buoy several times...In previous summers, I've been out to the buoy on numerous occasions. I'm still stumped though!
 Andrew
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 18, 2005, 11:30:15 AM
I don't know how long coastside et. al. have been around, but it's possible GWS were "stealing" fish all along,
we just didn't hear about it as much or as easily as we can in the internet age. It would be a good thing to
track tho.

also tote makes a comment like, "the tax man can do whatever he wants, whenever he wants, so why worry about it".
well, I'm glad we got guys like tote around, but the point is that we CAN do something about it. If humans want GWS
dead, then they'd be dead. We are choosing to let them live.

So the question is whether or not the numbers should be controlled such that they pose less risk to
the crazy risk taking fools like us that head out into the ocean on kayaks, swim in the ocean unprotected, sit on
surfboards, etc, instead of sitting home and watching TV?

Personally it'd make me feel a lot better to know a couple GWS were executed every year. That's pure emotion tho.
I've always liked the pinnepeds, obnoxious as they are. I've been chased out of the water by a pinneped at flat
rock, north of mavericks. Big big bull sea lion. foggy. scary. I still like those guys.

no life flights or skilled surgeons for this gal:
(http://www.pelagic.org/pics/image_lib/136.jpg)
died the next day.

Reading about the 20' mother orca that killed a 10' great white at the farallons and let its 10' calf eat the sharks
liver gave me a nice sense of mammal-centric retribution.  If any orcas are reading this post, thanks man.  :smt003.
not that orca's aren't scary too, but I think there's only one recorded orca possible hit, on a kneeboarder in big sur.

finally, if the sharks start to figure out that those surfboards don't taste good, then I'm all for using surfboards with
nobody on them to teach them this fact.  I say that as a long time surfer.
I think it would be an excellent idea to tow a kayak around aNo and see if
it gets hit. I'd like to know. If the shark hits it, you'd think it would be more careful the next time, I mean it's going to
lose some teeth on that yak.  hmm, I wonder if we can get sean to try this?

This is one reason I got a yak in the 15 foot range, I'm hopeing the larger sharks have had time to figure out what's
worth hitting, hopefully I'm too big for the stupid drunk teenage sharks, I'm the size of a solid bull elephant seal, only
the very largest of GWS will hit me, and there's got to be fewer of those things and they are hopefully wiser.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Gowen4bigfish on December 18, 2005, 11:46:30 AM
if you look a the height of the chop of the water. and then look at how high the buoy is out of the water it is clear that buoy is twice as  high out of the water than it should be.

 My guess is the buoy and the two birds on it spotted a GWS, and my second guess is it must be a damn big one if it's got a bouy trying to get out of the water.

 Looks like the boaters are trying to get the hell out of there too.  :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Gowen4bigfish on December 18, 2005, 01:27:17 PM
On a more serious note; if you look back to the eary 1900's lets say 1920-1940 less than half the population in the USA didn't even know how to swim, gusesstimate   and when the surf craze hit most of that was happening in the warmer water in S.Califoria not quite GW territoiry. Now in the last ten years with the availability of cheap wet-suits there is way more surf-dude's & gal's,spearfishing, abalone diving,etc. in the cold water.

Last year I went abalonie diving on opening day in Mendocino and then next day we drove up to Fort Bragg to go deep sea fishing. It was crazy how many people we saw on the way up to Fort Bragg who were abalonie diving. I'll guess that weekend and just that weekend there where close to a thousand people in the cold water area of N. California. So if you really think about how many  people are in GW area waters compared to what it used to be in earlier years, and yet there was only four reported attacks for the whole year. I would clearly say we are not on the dinner list and my guess is a 4,500 lb fish can eat a lot of food. So it really is a no brainer that these attacks are clearly a mistaken ID on the GW's part.

Given how many cows, goats, llamas, elk, horses, people. get shot durring deer season every year  they do a hell of a better job hunting than we do. Thank goodness!!

Gowen the thread killer. :smt068
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Malibu_Two on December 18, 2005, 06:00:31 PM
Malibu2

You been out to Dux much?

Only once this past summer. I trolled around the buoy several times...In previous summers, I've been out to the buoy on numerous occasions. I'm still stumped though!
 Andrew

You got it the first time around. This was the first thing I noticed when the season moved up toward Dux this year and I thought it was the work of one of the low-life commies



This was the typical scenario this year

(http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/albums/album14/DRbuoyopt.sized.jpg)



But anyway next thing I know I'm hooked up to the 37lber and I have a bunch of pb's circling to see if I'll land it and after missing it, having it in the net then flop and run miss again etc and thinking oh well miss it again you don't deserve to win this one, I get another chance and there it is, boats honking their horns like it's new year's eve

That's what I call nice big salmon therapy

The play by play of what happened that was posted on Coastside made me regret I missed it and glad I wasn't there. You can pretty much imagine what it must've been like with a bunch of pbs sitting there watching the gruesome show in the middle of a big circle of blood. It all ended with a spettacolo breach and something that looked like a lung bobbing on the surface


I remember the day you caught that salmon...I went to Bolinas the very next day and was all set to launch, but the fog was so thick I could barely see across the mouth of the lagoon, and even though I had a compass, I didn't like the thought of being 2 miles out in the fog...The only shark I've seen from the kayak was a thresher jumping off Pacifica last summer. I saw a whale breaching on 2 occasions this summer, the first time being pretty close...Seeing a great white would be an interesting situation. I've talked to kayakers who have seen them at Pedro Point. Personally, if I was close to shore, I would love to see one not-too-close-up.

I had one day at PP this summer where something sizable swirled right behind me. No mammal came up to breathe any time after that, so I'm guessing it was a fish, and maybe a shark.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bushy on December 18, 2005, 07:24:47 PM
No sea lions on the buoy.  those guys were gone, eh? 

Jmairey- I feel way safer on the yak than laying on my board with arms in the water also.  Lots biger and out of the water.  if  a GW hits my board, unless I'm sitting up he's likely to get a piece of me too.  On the yak that's much less likely.  Does make one think about extra flotation devices for inside the yak..... 

The thing is, when surfing, I'm way closer to the beach and figure I can always catch a close-out and prone in to the beach if neccesary.  Usually there's other guys around too.  I often am out alone on the yak, and though the GW can be right in the surf line, they are more likely to be out around the depths where we fish.  Lots less visible out there too.

Allen
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 18, 2005, 09:17:19 PM
allen, I think you are fooling yourself with the yak/surfboard comparison, but I hear you. to some extent it's about
rationalizing away the unrational fear. The key is that in all the surfer attacks, nobody saw the shark first. So you aren't
going to get a chance to do anything, it's just going to hit you, and either you are injured on the hit or you aren't. 
larsen was sitting on his board when he got hit at davenport, I don't think he was lying down or paddling.

There has never been a case where the shark attacked two people in the same place,
so it if it hits the one person, it's done for the day. you might as well stay
out and catch a few more,  :smt002.

A few boats have been nibbled on by sharks that seem to be territorial, like if they drift near the
shark while it's chewing on a whale carcass or something. that's one case where you can see it coming,
but it's also the least violent. If you don't sink, it'll probably let you leave. extra flotation: good idea!

what about getting sean to test a yak @ aNo? just ask him not to fill it with food.  :smt002.
foul tasting soap would be good. unless GWS like soap. they probably do.  :smt012.

blue, you are saying that the sea lion (it's a california or stellars, way more likely the former,  I think) was either shot by
a fisherman or eaten? is that the gist? I read a report about a stellar sea lion 1000 lbs, lept aboard a salmon boat,
bit a guy in the ass and pulled him off and under.  let him go and he was fine.  that was north of california.
there was that guy in santa barbara got bit by a sea lion, 40 stitches or so. so it does happen. 
The big males scare me sometimes when I'm surfing. They are really big up close. I've had a big dolphin blow out
the back of a wave and scare me poopless too. some of those guys are really big and really fast.

Does anybody know a single detail about thi 1989 death? I have emailed Ralph Collier to ask for more info. I can't believe
here we are all kayakers and we don't know anything about the only recorded fatality. that is lame.

owen, I agree that people aren't on the intended menu. but being on the unintended menu is still an issue. it's like being the
coconut when I'm aiming for a caramel. I do that coconut some pretty good damage before I toss him aside,  :smt003.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: promethean_spark on December 21, 2005, 12:21:38 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/more/12/20/bc.newzealand.sharkatta.ap/index.html?cnn=yes 
That's bigger than my kayak...   :smt011
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bill on December 21, 2005, 12:30:02 PM
Bummer it does not say what type of shark it is. Some (maybe all?) sharks can get pretty territorial during breeding season. Bull sharks are notorious for persistent attacks against large inanimate objects that get into there territory. I have not seen much research into this from a GWS perspective though.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 21, 2005, 12:39:11 PM
that kind of 'attack' is interesting. it's not trying to eat the boat, it just
plain don't like it and wants it to leave. some boats that come near
floating whale carcasses are encouraged to leave:

(http://www.pelagic.org/pics/image_lib/104.jpg)

also, on the pelagic site, you see photos of females with scars over the gills.
(this one is a 19 footer, so I guess it's body is over 6 feet tall, fins not included?)

mating marks, it is assumed.

(http://www.pelagic.org/pics/image_lib/145.jpg)

maybe art's fears of an amorous GW aren't too far off.  :smt010

here's a story of a white shark taking exception to a white bottomed dory and sinking it:
http://www.sharkresearchcommittee.com/inanimate.htm

the bottom line seems to remain that a white shark is not going to attack your boat,
knock you off and eat you. it might do one of those things, but not all in a nice
sequence like in jaws.  :smt004




Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on December 21, 2005, 12:46:40 PM
that first photo gives me the heebee gee bees  :smt118 imagine seeing that while your casually pulling up your struggling bloody halibut on deck  :smt009
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 21, 2005, 12:56:06 PM

does this count for lunch @ onno grill?

http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/newsletters/newsletter101.htm

Kayak Fisherman Harassed by Shark

I got a phone call from a very shaken kayak fisherman who was recently harassed by a very large shark while fishing around 800 meters offshore on the east coast of Northland.

The shark started it's relentless harassment of the kayak while the fisherman was hauling in a boat longline (yes it was one of ours) with fish on. The shark was taking or mauling the fish on the longline right under the kayak as the line was being hauled in.

In a bit of a panic and keen to put some distance between himself and the agressive shark, the fisherman quickly cut away the longline and accidentally sliced himself deeply above the knee in the process, this cut bled profusely.

The fisherman, obviously shocked by all this, then paddled very slowly away from the longline. Unfortunately, once the line was cut the shark shifted all of it's attention onto the kayak, it started by circling, and then bumping against the kayak. Occasionaly the shark would submerge only to come up from the depths and bump into the kayak from below.

The fisherman then put all of his remaining bait and burley into a plastic bag and tossed it well away from the kayak in the hope that this would divert the sharks attention, it almost worked as the shark went over to investigate the cause of the splash where the bait bag had landed, but to his horror it returned seconds later.

During the worst parts of the harrassment the fisherman was nearly knocked out of the kayak by the shark several times and had to put his legs over the side and into the water to regain balance.

He also vomited several times during the attack, probably due to the shock of being exposed to a serious and life threating situation for such an extended period of time.

In all the shark hit the kayak between 15 and 20 times with different parts of it's anatomy including the body, dorsal fin and tail.

When the fisherman was only 150 to 200 meters offshore the back of the kayak was hit violently and the stern momentarily went under. As soon as he had regained balance the fisherman poured on the power with the paddle and, as he reached the shallow weed line near the rocks, he glanced over his shoulder to see the shark close behind, but veering away to avoid the reef.

How Big Was the Shark

The shark was huge, on one pass at right angles and just under the center of the kayak the fisherman noted the width of the head was greater than the distance from the back of his seat to the front of his foot rests, his estimate is a meter or more between the eyes. On this pass the dorsal fin hit the kayak amidships and almost capsized it.

As for the length he noted that the shark tail extended "five to six feet" behind the stern of the kayak when the head of the shark was level with the front. He said the kayak is "twelve and a half feet long" so the shark must have been between 17' 6" to 18' 6' long or 5.33 to 5.64 meters!

What Sort of Shark was it

The fisherman describes the shark as having a shiny, almost jet black top and very white undersides. He mentioned the pectoral fins and tail were huge and he was adamant the tail was positioned vertically on the shark (which rules out a killer whale or other dolphin). He said the dorsal fin never rose higher than 300 to 400mm above the water although, as the back of the huge fish never broke the surface, it could have been longer.

He also noted the front of the head was flat and not pointed, this may rule out a white pointer, otherwise a great white would fit the rest of the description perfectly.

Why Did the Shark Attack the Kayak

Struggling hooked fish is probably the most powerful shark attractant available.

Sharks can pick up vibrations from struggling fish from kilometers away almost instantly, and this is probably what brought the shark to the boat in the first place.

When the shark arrived it took some fish from the longline which likely put it into a feeding mode, the added smell of blood in the water from the fish it had mauled would have probably kept in interested in the area.

Blood from the bait and burley thrown overboard, and any that was being washed off the deck of the kayak, plus the vomit and bleeding from the badly cut knee would have all added to the sharks curiousity in the kayak.

How to Minimize Risk

If you are setting a longline from a kayak, I would suggest baiting the line on shore, or at least have the bait cut up and in a waterproof container on the kayak, so that line setting times and bloody mess are minimised.

When hauling the line, do it as quickly as possible and iki or kill the fish as soon as they are landed, as the vibrations of a dying fish on deck will be amplifed by the hull.

Keep all fish and bait as well as any burley in leak proof containers. Doing this will make any blood and offal less likely to leak or wash over the side and possibly set up a burley trail leading straight to the kayak.

Witnesses

The massive shark stayed in the bay for a considerable time after the incident. The hapless fisherman watched the shark, along with about 40 other locals and holiday makers, from a nearby hill top. One of the visitors video taped the shark still circling the area where the incident occurred. If anyone has photos or video we would appreciate a copy to go with this article.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 21, 2005, 12:59:53 PM

here's a another good one:

http://seakayaker.tripod.com/sharks1.htm

Paddling off Tomales Point one calm and balmy evening in early October, I heard a swishing noise. Looking over my shoulder, I saw a shark’s dorsal fin break the surface heading straight for me.

I paddled furiously, but the shark kept gaining on me. I paddled evasively on the right side only and the shark followed. I paddled evasively on the left side only and the shark followed.

I caught up to Don Fleming and yelled "Help! There's a shark following me!" I don't think Don appreciated my new-found friend; he started paddling toward the Bay. Don and I set a new world record paddling speed on the scrupper-pros. Luckily the shark lost interest and disappeared.

After blindly following basic instinct to avoid a charging animal, my first rational thought was to grab the camera and get a picture. My second thought was maybe I shouldn't run, that might only encourage a chase.

Lucky for me I followed my instincts and paddled evasively. If I had stopped, I think the shark would have hit the kayak and possibly knocked me in the sea. I always thought if attacked by a shark that it would be from underneath and I wouldn't see the shark until the last moment. I think I only saw him because the shark had to deal with a moving target. Don says it was a 10 foot or smaller shark, but it looked like a 35 footer from my deck.

Later I reported this incident online to the Shark Research Committee. Their definitions are informative:
Shark Encounter "A human is approached by a shark which leisurely circles and/or slowly swims past the subject without any aggressive behavior exhibited by the shark"
Shark Attack "If an impending attack is only avoided by evasive maneuver, this too shall be classified as an unprovoked shark attack"

Many thanks to Ralph Collier of the Shark Research Committee for the shark encounter definitions. Please report all shark encounters to http://sharkresearechcommittee.com They hope to eventually be able to determine cause and effect for kayakers.
 
 


Conditions:
Date of encounter: October 7, 2002, about 6pm
Conditions: calm winds and flat seas of 2-4 feet
Weather: sunny and warm, air temps in the 70s
It was a beautiful evening for sea kayaking; unfortunately, I have learned that sharks also like these conditions. It makes sense to me that a large fish would not like rough conditions.



Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bill on December 21, 2005, 02:04:55 PM
Sorry John it was for that point forward and if you will allow me a little leeway I was thinking Nor-Cal only. I did not make that clear though so I will yeild to world wide but only GWS.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 21, 2005, 02:09:45 PM

good, that would have taken some of the suspense out of things.  :smt004
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Gowen4bigfish on December 21, 2005, 05:38:32 PM
Some unsolicited score keeping:  Jmairey The guy off the cost of Northland wouldn't count in the bet. Bill In reply #12 said no provoked attacks count.
 
The shark research committee considers chumming as provoking an attack.
 
So even though I sure the guy hadn't set off with cut bait fish on his kayak to chum a shark, he was still chumming none the less.
I keep tying to tell my wife pay attention to what you are doing and whats going on around you. I guess dude from Northland got a wake-up call.:smt078
 
 I guess the guy out at Tomales Point has reaffirmed you don't have to out paddle the shark
 you just have to out paddle your friend.  :yak   :yak       

It was seeming to me like Bill needs some help if he's going to make it 5 yrs.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bill on December 21, 2005, 07:21:14 PM
Thanks Gowen  :smt006
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Malibu_Two on December 21, 2005, 08:12:32 PM
that kind of 'attack' is interesting. it's not trying to eat the boat, it just
plain don't like it and wants it to leave. some boats that come near
floating whale carcasses are encouraged to leave:

(http://www.pelagic.org/pics/image_lib/104.jpg)


Actually, from what I've heard, some parts of boats give off electromagnetic waves, which makes the shark "mouth" the boat...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Gowen4bigfish on December 21, 2005, 08:29:06 PM
Sure hope it's not the fish-finder's transducer or a GPS that causes that!  :smt107

Man that is one big shark :pale:
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 22, 2005, 09:56:06 AM
that photo is from www.pelagic.com. it says that they got too close to a feeding shark and
the shark attacked the boat:

Quote from: www.pelagic.com
A large white shark bites down on the outdrive of our research boat after encroaching on a feeding event near Ano Nuevo Island. winter 1995-96.

the bit about outdrives being electrical attractors of some sort is quite possibly apocryphal, urban myth, aka B.S.

If anybody can post a reference to this theory, please do so.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 22, 2005, 10:52:36 AM
navigation aside (for which sight is only so useful), the theory seems to be that sight
is the main sense used by a GWS for predation:

http://www.sharkresearchcommittee.com/predation.htm

so I would not really worry about this electromagnetic thing, blue and my comments on ff notwithstanding,  :smt003.

as p-spark pointed out, this link also confirms that a GWS sees well in the day, not so good
at night and has good color vision, due to a ratio of cones (color, hi-res, non-movement)
and rods (black and white,  low light, movement oriented) receptors in the retina that
is similar to humans.

for comparison, dogs don't have much in the way of cones, they see color poorly, see in lower light
conditions well and probably detect movement better than humans.

Here's something I don't know (beside the details of that 1989 malibu kayak death...).

I saw a reference that a shortfin Mako is warm-blooded (well, almost)

http://www.elasmo-research.org/education/topics/p_warm_bodied.htm


Is a GWS warm-blooded?

I always assumed that fish are cold-blooded. their muscles will generate some heat
from swimming around, a really big fish like a GWS would have low surface to volume
and that heat would be retained well, but does it actually have some kind of thermo-regulation?
This would affect how often a single shark feeds. If you've ever had a pet snake, you
know they can go months in between eating. But a pet mouse eats every day.
It's partially due to this question of warm vs cold blooded, it takes way more energy to
regulate body temp.  If you are warm-blooded, you have to eat more often.

typically also, a warm-blooded animal can reproduce a lot quicker than a cold blooded animal can.

normally, the argument is that sharks reproduce very slowly and this is one reason for the protection.
But maybe GWS are pumping out 5 foot long babies at a high clip?  :smt006
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bill on December 22, 2005, 02:18:03 PM
Don't know about GWS but I saw that Salmon Sharks, which apperance wise seem related to Makos, are warm blooded. This enables to hunt Salmon in the cold Arctic waters.

Salmon Shark referrence - http://www.nsf.gov/news/news_summ.jsp?cntn_id=104543&org=NSF&from=news

It contains this interesting quote

"Salmon sharks are lamnids, a group of sharks that also includes the mako and great white."
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: promethean_spark on December 22, 2005, 03:52:04 PM
Their electrical sense is limited to 6-10ft only, they mainly use it in the last lunge when they roll their eyes back and open their mouth.  So an electrical thing wouldn't bring one in from any distance, but they may mouth something that gives off a tasty electrical signal if they happen to sense it cruising by.  The ff electrode is fully insulated inside the kayak, so I doubt they'd even notice it.  The FF transducer wires I've examined were also shielded, so it shouldn't give off any electric fields to speak of either.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 22, 2005, 06:28:06 PM
bill, I had seen the salmon shark, mako and great white relation too.

so your salmon shark note combined with the short fin mako note makes
it at least plausible that the GWS is sort of warm blooded.

GWS certainly like salmon:

(http://www.pelagic.org/pics/image_lib/109.jpg)

Quote from: www.pelagic.org

While sportfishing for king salmon near Ano Nuevo Island in 1991 we had a white shark following the boat and biting our fish off. We lost 1 1/2 salmon to the shark, this was our allowance of salmon that the shark left us with for the day.


maybe big GWS can only catch salmon already on sombody's fishing  lines,   :smt013

sure seems like it's a good chance they are warm blooded tho. extra fast. extra hungry,
extra fast at reproducing during a decade free from predation by humans,  :smt009.

p-spark, do you have a reference for us or are you a secret shark researcher? maybe you
just spent the whole week watching shark week?  :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Mr.Matt on December 23, 2005, 10:42:25 AM
Did anyone hear about that NorCal surfer in Hawaii that was attacked yesterday?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 23, 2005, 01:27:41 PM

hawaii, probably tiger. always tigers in hawaii.

here's video of two GWS hitting a surfer at the same time. south africa.

http://www.surfermag.com/av/
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 23, 2005, 01:57:14 PM

it was a swimmer in hawaii, 10 to 12 foot tiger shark.

not real applicable to us.

http://www.kfmb.com/stories/story.31797.html
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on December 23, 2005, 02:10:22 PM

hawaii, probably tiger. always tigers in hawaii.

here's video of two GWS hitting a surfer at the same time. south africa.

http://www.surfermag.com/av/

that's some scary footage  :smt118
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bill on December 23, 2005, 03:57:48 PM
The Teahupoo footage is scarier to be. That video sums up why I think it is going to be extremely hard to get killed by a GWS on a kayak. This surfer had 2 big GWS attack him on his surfboard, was swimming right next to them and paddles in with a bloody arm with no further action by the GWS. The guys arm is messed up for sure but he seems pretty alive to me.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 23, 2005, 07:41:22 PM

cap'n hook never cast the same again tho.  :smt010.

but he was great with a gaff.  :smt005
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 23, 2005, 07:42:53 PM

Bill, I think GWS should be the last podium of posting. either that or human.
the top of the food chain is in dispute right now.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bill on December 23, 2005, 09:40:10 PM
Dude that was hilarious!!!  :smt005
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Gowen4bigfish on December 24, 2005, 12:58:51 AM
JMairmy my brother in law tells me that the studdies show that the GWS clear out when the orca come in.The killer whales must work as a team and the GWS know they're out matched. I thought that was kind of  interesting. With what happend to the GWS when mom and her two calf's had that encounter it makes sense

 I have heard GWS are warm blooded, that is of course in a fish sort of way.

can one see the surf footage without paying?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 24, 2005, 01:52:37 PM
that footage is free owen. just click away. if you dare, it's scary,  :smt009.

It would be nice to have an orca 'detail'. When you get bodyguards,
they are called your 'detail'. My cousin is a guy they call 'lou' short for his
other nickname, lucifer, he's a bodyguard. Once I had some trouble with somebody at an event,
I had to fly lou and a partner out from new york, well it was a badass feeling to walk
in with those two guys (550lbs of muscle) flanking me.  cause I'm a lover not a fighter,  :smt002
But it was expensive.  :smt010. So I have a feeling
that an orca detail would leave you safe, but with no fish,  :smt004.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 27, 2005, 09:09:22 PM
A so-cal dude came through with info on the 1989 fatality.

Two people died, tamara mcAllister and her friend roy stoddard. no remains of
stoddard were found, so his death was not recorded as an official shark attack.

tamara washed up bitten and not drowned apparently. looks like she was a USC distance
swimmer tho, so good chance she left the kayak and was swimming while hit.
man, that one really sounds like jaws!  :smt009

but it's interesting that there were two deaths, much less one. how'd that happen?
it doesn't fit the pattern.

no word on whether there was damage to the kayaks yet. kayaks were found drifting
together, nobody on them. would be good to know if there was any damage to
the kayaks.

I got more on confirmed shark attacks on kayaks tho,  :smt010:

http://www.baskers.org/ARTICLES/2jaws.html

rosemary johnson gets hit by 14 ft 1500lb shark while paddling an ocean kayak frenzy
(9 foot boat) @ goat rock south of jenner. october 10th 1993.

she didn't know what happened. thought she hit a rock. kayak was sinking. 
hoo-boy. :smt005. but the others saw her fly 10 feet in the air and the the shark
with the whole kayak in its mouth.

and ken kelton:

http://www.baskers.org/ARTICLES/1shark.html


Quote
Ken in his modified red Dancer (11.5' x 24") and I in my camo-blue deck whitehulled Rocketboat (16' x 21")

both attacks were pretty darn close to shore. both kayaks were effectively sunk. if they'd been way out there, it would
have been interesting. a vhf radio is starting to look like a good thing to have. 










Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 28, 2005, 11:20:14 AM
some australians are interested in culling the GWS #'s.

looks like they are protected there too. wonder about SA?

http://www.surfersvillage.com/surfing/18650/news.htm

Five-fold rise in shark attacks sparks calls for cull of protected great whites


Surfersvillage Global Surf News, 7 October, 2005 : - - Jake Heron was preparing to catch the last wave of the day when the ocean’s most feared predator struck. Erupting from the water beside him, the great white shark bit deep into his right arm and leg. "Terror is the only word I can think of to describe it," Heron, a 40-year-old lobster fisherman, said. "I was punching and kicking and screaming for help. Its dorsal fin was right in front of my face."

The 12-foot shark was turning for another strike when a lucky wave propelled Heron and the remains of his mangled surfboard on to the shore. He was rushed to hospital and was given more than 60 stitches. Heron's ordeal, early last month, earned him membership of one of the world's most exclusive clubs – those who have been attacked by a great white and survived.

But it has also prompted an impassioned debate in Australia over whether the great white shark – Carcharodon carcharias – should be culled. There have been five shark attacks in Australia since December, two of them fatal – significantly more than the national average of one a year.

Surfers and fishermen claim that great white numbers have increased dramatically in the last decade after the species was granted protection from hunting. They also say the sharks are being lured closer to shore by a booming tuna fishing industry which has developed in the last decade and is now worth millions of pounds a year.

Tens of thousands of wild-caught tuna are fattened in offshore cages before being exported to Japan, where they are served in restaurants as premium quality sushi and sashimi. Critics say the raw pilchards tossed into the pens, and the blood and guts which spill into the water when the tuna are slaughtered, are an irresistible attraction for great whites, which can grow up to 20 feet and weigh 2.5 tonnes.

Nowhere is the controversy more acute than in Port Lincoln, the centre of the tuna industry, on the southern tip of South Australia's Eyre Peninsula.
Overlooking the deep blue waters of Boston Bay, Port Lincoln is the Antipodean equivalent of Amity Island, the fictional New England beach resort caught up in shark attack hysteria in the 1975 blockbuster Jaws.

Underwater footage of great whites used in the film was filmed at Dangerous Reef, a few miles up the coast.

Heron was attacked as he surfed a picturesque cove south of the town. In 2000, two surfers were killed within 48 hours at similar surf spots along South Australia's remote coast.

There was another near miss last weekend when surfer Josh Berris, 26, desperately fought for his life after being attacked off Kangaroo Island, southeast of Port Lincoln. He survived by ramming his surfboard into the shark's mouth. "Numbers are up five to seven-fold compared with 10 years ago," Heron, whose bite wounds are slowly healing, said. "The tuna industry is teaching sharks to interact with boats and people."

Anti-shark sentiment is running high in Port Lincoln, where swimming, surfing and boating are a way of life. "To have so many attacks in such a short period of time is unheard of," said Nick Porter, who runs a surf shop on the esplanade. "I would say 90% of surfers would be in favour of a cull."

The tuna industry denies that its offshore farms have increased the number of great whites or led indirectly to attacks. Port Lincoln's tuna barons, who have become millionaires from the prized fish, say the tuna pens act as a magnet for sharks which would be in the area anyway, rather than luring more animals from the open ocean.

"Shark sightings are up because there are so many more fishermen out on the water looking out for them," said Robbie Staunton, a tuna company manager whose office overlooks Port Lincoln's busy marina. The two sides are deadlocked because the great white's range is so vast that scientists have no idea whether their population has risen or dropped in the past decade.

"From our limited observations, there's no general trend either up or down," said Barry Bruce, a government scientist who is one of the country's foremost shark authorities.

Many Australians suspect the reason for the increase in shark attacks is because people are moving to the coast in search of a better lifestyle and are spending more time in the water. The number of attacks should be kept in perspective, said Peter Davis, Port Lincoln's mayor. "You're more likely to die of a bee sting or a lightning strike than a shark attack."

But such assurances fail to convince many in Port Lincoln, where the fear of great whites has bred something close to a siege mentality. "There are way too many of them," said Renee Smith, 18, a waitress at a café overlooking the inviting turquoise shallows of Boston Bay. "There'll be another fatal attack this [Australian] summer
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 28, 2005, 12:00:51 PM

here's a more concise argument that attacks have spiked.

also that divers are most at risk of a fatal attack.


http://www.surfersvillage.com/surfing/15179/news.htm


Great White Shark Attacks Triple During Last Four Years

Surfersvillage Global Surf News, 13 December 2004: - - From 1926 to 1999, 108 shark attacks were reported from the Pacific Coast of North America according to the book "Shark Attacks of the Twentieth Century." The Great White shark, Carcharodon carcharias, was implicated in 94 (87%) of the attacks; an average of slightly more than one attack per year. What is alarming is that since 2000, there have been 16 shark attacks off the Pacific Coast, more than triple the Twentieth Century average, and all involved the Great White shark.

The most recent victim was Brian Kang, 38, of Arcata, California. On November 11, 2004 at 1:30 PM, he broke a record that had stood for 30 years. As the ninth person attacked by a Great White shark off the Pacific Coast this year, he made 2004 the most active year ever recorded for Great White shark attacks along this coast, or anywhere in the world.

Kang was the fifty-fifth surfer attacked by a Great White shark off the Pacific Coast since 1972. He was surfing with Jennifer Savage at 'Bunkers,’ a well-known surfing beach off the North Jetty at Humboldt Bay in Northern California. Without warning a Great White shark slammed into his surfboard and threw him into the water. Witnesses watched in horror as the huge shark, estimated to be 18 feet in length, clamped down on Kang’s legs. Kang fought back, striking the shark on the head with his fist. Within a few seconds the shark released its grip and Kang rode his board to the beach. Kang is the 124th person to be attacked by a shark off the Pacific Coast since 1926, with 110 of the attacks (89%) attributable to the Great White shark.

Distribution of the 108 Twentieth Century attacks is; 93 in California, 14 in Oregon, and 1 in Washington. There were 8 fatalities (7%), all from California. The most active months for Great White shark attacks were August through October, with more than 60% of the attacks from a ‘recurring location.’ Divers were the most numerous victims, with surfers a close second.

Since the year 2000 there have been 14 shark attacks reported from California, which includes 2 fatalities (13%), and 2 attacks from Oregon. Surfers accounted for 14 (88%) of the 16 attacks. In 2004, 6 of the 9 shark attacks reported (67%) were from a ‘recurring location’ and also occurred during the three month period of August to October. It is particularly distrubing that the first authenticated attack by a juvenile Great White shark (less than 4 feet in length) reported from any location world wide occurred at San Clemente, California in August. The number of adult and juvenile Great White sharks reported from the Pacific Coast this year suggests a possible increase in their population. In response to these compelling statistics, the Shark Research Committee will embark on an archival satellite tagging program in early spring 2005 to gather data on juvenile and adult Great White sharks in Southern California waters.

More information concerning the book "Shark Attacks of the Twentieth Century," published by Scientia Publishing and the Shark Attack Files of the Shark Research Committee, can be found at the website: http://www.sharkresearchcommittee.com   

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: JTF.. on December 28, 2005, 02:16:03 PM
There is nothing in the world that scares me.  But thanks, thanks for freaking me out!!!!!!!!! :smt011
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on December 28, 2005, 02:53:53 PM
this scares me more than White Sharks......

the Brown Recluse Spider  :smt118

(http://spiders.ucr.edu/images/Is_or_Isn't_recluse_files/Spider1.jpg[img])

check out the bite marks of these little efers  :smt077

http://www.highway60.com/mark/brs/linda_bite.htm

Joel the thread killer  :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 28, 2005, 03:31:55 PM
JTF, you are welcome!  :smt006  :smt005  :smt008

it's easier to stick your head in the sand, it's true. :baby
so don't look!

weirdly the only thing that keeps me awake at night is something
happening to my two boys. the stories of bull sharks killing kids on
the east coast is way scarier to me than GWS here.

I had a recurring nightmare that I was stuck in a flood, and I went to
the garage got a board and put them both on it and we floated off.
of course  they kept falling off, I could not keep them both on!  :smt013

Then we went to mexico for 5 months, we move into a strange house
on a ranch with no phone, no tv, no freaking address and a hurricane
hits us the 2nd night we are there. I was freaking that my nightmare
would come true, I had them in my room with the hurrican raging
and a surfboard ready to float to higher ground.  :smt010

mooch, those brown recluse are scary and did you know there are some new
kinds that came in on a container in seattle? yep. and the guy investigating
them disappeared. no lie! it's a good story... I looked into that stuff before
I loaded my family into a truck and rented our house out for a year...

How about this one: I cleared this from my living room in mexico (which was open on 2/3rd of
the sides) right after a hurricane hit us,

(http://lindbloom-airey.homeunix.org/BigTrip/Photos/AlacranGrande.jpg)

I guess he got washed out of the desert and didn't know where to go.

I took that photo myself, just before I executed him. 
 :smt073 Believe me, that was a TOAD of a scorpion.

my kids got so they would just kind of step over scorpions casually.
"hey mom, don't step there", was an actual quote. my wife thought it was
some peanut butter or something they spilled, she looks, yep, scorpion!

best,

J

p.s. is this poisonous:

(http://lindbloom-airey.homeunix.org/BigTrip/Photos/matavenata00.jpg)

yeah, I found one of these too! right outside the kids bathroom! no it's not poisonous,
but many people think it is including mexicans. some also
think it crawls into a deer's asshole and kills it from the inside.  :smt009
it's called a mata venato or deer killer. also sun spider or false scorpion.
these things are weird. their walk alone is scary. legs all different sizes,
going different speeds. SCARY!  :smt003

okay, back to sharks. except I think I might be done for quite a long time.  I got all
the info I think I need. and now you do too!  :smt006 so stop your whining.

I also found out that SA does protect GW sharks, along with Australia and the US.

That was the last question I had.


Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PISCEAN on December 28, 2005, 03:43:20 PM
I just saw the McAllister attack mentioned on this thread. My 2c is that back when I did my thesis on the population dynamics of GWS the attack in malibu was often referenced since it was the first major attack on kayakers. The details kind of varied from account to account, but there was enough doubt that the shark research community didn't really want to officially classify the event as an attack. The would on Tamara McAllister was a single slash type, and apparently didn't seem like the wound an attacking GWS would inflict. The opinion in the paddling world in the 90's was that it could have been foul play, or even some other type of accident. The paddling instructors I knew up in HMB seemed pretty sure it was some kind of scam. I ended up always thinking that the jury was still out on that one.
I can't let these kinds of things keep me off the water, but if we continue to see a rise in the # of incidents I may need to start shopping for a boston whaler...or at least a fish n dive.
Sean
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: JTF.. on December 28, 2005, 04:22:23 PM
I already own a speargun, its too long though for quick access.  Where do I find a boom stick??  I heard they make short ones that strap to your leg.  Is this true, I'm gonna search for one.  Has anyone ever thought of painting the bottom of their yak with the markings of an orca?  I'm really not afraid of a GWS, very respectful though, plus, I just think that in the rare case something should happen, I'd like to have a fighting chance.  I'm sure most people would want that.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: JTF.. on December 28, 2005, 04:44:23 PM
http://www.prodivecentralcoast.com.au/equipment/shark_shield.htm
http://www.sharkcamo.com/
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 28, 2005, 05:24:44 PM
sometimes the people closest to this whole thing, the researchers, the kayak guides, the manufacturers,
they have the most to lose based on changes to the status quo, so it's really hard to get a straight answer, or even get
a largely factual thread like this going.

those that know, often aren't telling. it's also an very emotional issue.
and the less intelligent the population cough, so-cal, cough,  :smt003 the less factual you get. hi jim!  :smt003

it's difficult for the average weekend warrier adventurer to get real info.

that's why bill is such a stud, he's pretty independent, his site might suffer some traffic loss, due to scared
kayakers leaving the sport, but then again it might get more because of this thread, hard to say. lake
fishing might become more popular! he probably doesn't want to hear about sharks either, 
but we get to have a largely factual thread on this.  thanks bill.
 
and for people that are gonna hold what I posted against me cause they didn't want to hear it?
Well, I got enough friends, you want to be my enemy? be my guest. I go through enemies
quickly, I'm always in need of new ones,  :kungfu  :smt005

personally, I think we should end the hippy-dippy pro-shark 'it's their environment' attitude and there should be a limited number
of auctioned kill permits in SA, USA and Australia each year.  it's lame that a fisherman would permanently park his
human powered non polluting (air or noise or water) craft and buy a whaler because they are over protecting the GWS.
That is ass-backwards! To me there's no difference between a parasite like the mosquito or the smallpox virus
for that matter, and an 'apex predator' like the GWS. They are issues that humans can and should (mis?)manage.
I mean I could say that smallpox is an apex predator and that it is needed to control the human population just
like the GWS is needed to control the pinneped population. sounds crazy, but there's some logic there.
Sharks are protected because we think they are cool and we don't mind a few dead surfers each year. that's it.
simple as that.

while I'm rolling, further, there should be some kind of affirmative action for human powered fishermen.
The rules should be relaxed for kayaks and they should be celebrated not punished and forced to
go buy a PB.  :smt011. making a kayak fish by the same rules as a powerboat is weak. make everybody
fish from a kayak, or prohibit powerboats on weekends, the fish will bounce back!

JTF, I also briefly considered, 1. a gun 2. a boomstick, 3. a spear or sword,
but decided the cure was worse than the disease, not to mention probably being illegal.
I did notice that pescadore had a dive knife on his leg in the photo of him and
scwafish salmon fishing. that seems like something I might consider. I already have a
filet knife aboard anyway. A knife stuck in the nose of a GWS chewing on your boat
might scare him off, it might make him mad, but I have no doubt that I am on the side of sticking him
over just quaking in my boots and waiting for him to leave.

I am scared of GWS, no doubt,  a lot of things scare me. But I also think that the
risk of serious injury or death by big fish is not high enough for me to significantly change my habits. 
So go back to the risk calculation before you go off the deep end with radar-jamming and the like.

personally, I think the idea of painting your kayak colors is wishful thinking. If they want to find you
they are gonna find you. You can't hide. They have reports of them
test biting everything from crab traps to 30 foot boats. orcas? yeah, maybe but if a baby orca
dies, you know who eats him don't you? yep, whitey. No my boat is staying proudly unpainted
and yum-yum yellow. I might carry a dive knife, but my main weapon will just be the improbability drive.

best,

j



Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: JTF.. on December 28, 2005, 07:37:32 PM
Blue Kayak, JMairey,
I totally agree!  With the both of you.  Although, I must admit I like BlueKayaks views and stances on the situation.  I've pretty much summed this up in my own head,,, that is, this time of year is breeding season for the big guys, here we are cruising around their bedroom, if anyone here was to go in my refrigerator or worse yet open the door to my room, I might just bite them too.  So, maybe I'll just let them get their freak on :smt008 and when their done, I'll sneak back in and do my thing.  Say like on the rock fish opener, yeah, there are plenty of lakes and bays and delta waters to explore during the high risk months.  Hopefully it is a fluke thing.  We shall see.  Maybe all the risk factors is what separates us NCKAnglers from the rest.  Fog, Big Swells, Wind Waves, Ripping Currents, Submerged Rocks and last but not least, WHITEY!  NCKA get some, yeah yeah!    :smt066
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Gowen4bigfish on December 28, 2005, 09:57:24 PM
After hearing every kayaker that's been hit has either white or blue I think that yum yum yellow sounds pretty good choice of color. :smt001

of course I thought for some reason blue would be a great color  I know the chances of being hit are astronomical but know I'll have that lurking feeling is
something about to hit my line or maybe me ? :pale:

that shark camo is starting to look like a damn good idea  :smt023
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: granitedive on December 29, 2005, 12:19:43 AM
Quote
while I'm rolling, further, there should be some kind of affirmative action for human powered fishermen.
The rules should be relaxed for kayaks and they should be celebrated not punished and forced to
go buy a PB.
Maybe kayakers should be offered first dibs on the GWS permits! :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 29, 2005, 09:31:04 AM
yum-yum yellow in action.

(http://momentoffame.com/photopost/data/528/kayak_and_shark.jpg)

looks like a scan of an australian or SA magazine. don't know if it is a legit photo.

blue, you make good and consistent points. I'm pretty much just collecting info, I don't have any
real point other than the kill-permit idea.

eskimos use harpoons on pretty big animals, you could probably harpoon a great white and huck a
float or three out, just like in JAWS. go Quint go!  :smt005
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 29, 2005, 09:34:23 AM
those so-call guys, heh.  :smt005

(http://sharkjawsales.com/images/fishing/gws.jpg)

(http://www.bloodydecks.com/gallery/files/1/1/8/2/gwscopy.jpg)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 29, 2005, 11:05:51 AM

the second one was redone with photoshop by iceman on kayak4fish.com, a well-known
expert so cal kayak fisherman and photoshop ace it appears.
so that is a known fake. pretty good one, it is jim sammons the marlin-catcher himself in
that one. one of the better joke pics I have seen for sure!

the first one, well, a lot of know-it-alls trying to say whether it is real or not. Well, they are speculating.
They don't know. they got 'male' disease where lame-ass opinion is stated as fact. The shadow is the
same or not the same, the refractivity of the water, etc, etc. knuckleheads.

It would be easier to call a few SA kayak magazines and track down the photographer than spend all day debating angle
of refraction and shadow angle, pixel size, with people that are not qualified to offer opinions, etc.

I posted them up because they are current to the thread. This thread will get sabotaged by the jokers-in-denial eventually,
especially photos like the above posted by nubes as real, etc.

just trying to delay that day. although I'm pretty happy I think we put together quite a bit of real info.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 29, 2005, 11:09:02 AM
here's the original of sammons. or is that a fake?  :smt003

(http://kayak4fish.com/images/Marlin1Text.jpg)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: miyak on December 29, 2005, 06:07:35 PM
If you have a strong stomach and have a morbid curiosity go tohttp://www.sharkattackphotos.com/index.html
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Malibu_Two on December 31, 2005, 11:07:55 AM
Wow, the picture of the skeleton wearing shoes is, i believe, the aftermath of a bear encounter (doesn't quite look like a shark attack). If it is indeed the incident I am thinking of, the story goes like this - Somewhere in the woods (Alaska, Montana, Wyoming, Canada, etc...) a hunter heard of a grizzly that had not yet gone into hibernation, so he decided to go out and kill it. As it turned out, the bear had not yet gone into hibernation because it was starving and needed more body fat before sleeping for 5 five months, and what better meal than an unsuspecting sportsman! While the hunter was stalking the bear, the bear snuck up behind him, and well, the picture tells the rest.
 That's a bear attack I've read about and the pic looks very familiar to what was described. Those are some graphic images...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: miyak on December 31, 2005, 07:26:04 PM
I never thought about it but you could be right, the way people are always misrepresenting thing nowadays, the others do look like shark attacks
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: craigh on January 01, 2006, 09:09:23 AM
 Wow, guresome pics. wished I did'nt look :confused3: But its not going to change my thoughts of fishing on the ocean. (too much)
I'll not fish Ano Nuevo too often :smt106

I like the camo page, I think my yellow yak would look good in stripes... :smt023

Happy New year.....
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Papa Al on January 02, 2006, 12:14:16 AM
This is a little out of the local area: GWS and diver in Maui.  There is also a video on the link. The camera man reaches out and pets the shark as it swims by.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051231/NEWS11/512310330

(http://vh10018.moc.gbahn.net/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=M1&Date=20051231&Category=NEWS11&ArtNo=512310330&Ref=AR&Profile=1021&MaxW=400&MaxH=400&title=0&Q=100)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: granitedive on January 02, 2006, 09:30:34 PM
Maybe that guy was diving in his boots that day.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on January 03, 2006, 08:57:37 AM
I'm pretty sure they fed the shark a cow before they dove in to take the photos .......I would too  :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 03, 2006, 03:53:25 PM

he bet his life on it!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 03, 2006, 05:03:52 PM

I mean if he bet wrong on the disposition of that shark at that time
and the shark wanted to eat him, well it would have happened.

you bet a dollar he knew, he effectively bet his life that he knew.

I believe there is a famous shark researcher in hospital right now. he was one of these swim with the
shark types. It was a small shark, and not even a 'dangerous' species
but apparently it bit him pretty good. Don't have the link, but it was one of the ones
I came across while looking for the details on those kayak attacks.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 03, 2006, 05:51:58 PM

I think he just took a big risk and got lucky!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bill on January 03, 2006, 06:13:47 PM
There was a shark week show of a guy and a girl that swam outside the cage with a GWS, a big one. The guy took a couple of rides as well. The girl tried to ride another one but it was a little less than excited about the idea so they bailed out.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 03, 2006, 06:23:19 PM

blue I see what you are saying now, that somehow he knew it was safe.

I disagree, he thought it was safe and took a chance, probably he'll keep
doing it now until he gets eaten. I think his interest overwhelmed his sense.

but we'll never know for sure either way.

Bill, I have seen that guy before. he might be the guy that got bitten.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Windrider on January 04, 2006, 04:49:21 PM
This has been a great thread with lots of great links.  The seal and Sea Lion populations are growing all along the west coast, as is the population of "protected" Great Whites which feed on them.  I have had several incidents with Sea Lions and thus far (luckily) none with sharks.  More and more people are taking to the coastal waters, so you can bet your booty that the number of shark "incidents" will only increase.  Am I concerned? A bit.  Am I going to stay off the water?  No!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bill on January 04, 2006, 05:20:47 PM
The guy that swam with the GWS had been bitten before, he was either surfing or diving, I don't recall which. Then he got kinda obsessed with figuring out how the GWS thinks and acts.

I *think* the guy that got attacked is different. IIRC he was feeding reef sharks in 2'-3' of water and one decided to bite his calf. They caught it all on film. 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Gowen4bigfish on January 04, 2006, 05:55:35 PM
I guess he wasn't handing out the food fast enough
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mickfish on January 04, 2006, 06:28:03 PM
Quote
[he was feeding reef sharks in 2'-3' of water and one decided to bite his calf. They caught it all on film.  /quote]




link
http://www.flurl.com/uploaded/Sharkbite_DC_21875.html
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: pescadore on January 04, 2006, 07:54:39 PM
 
JTF, I also briefly considered, 1. a gun 2. a boomstick, 3. a spear or sword,
but decided the cure was worse than the disease, not to mention probably being illegal.
I did notice that pescadore had a dive knife on his leg in the photo of him and
scwafish salmon fishing. that seems like something I might consider.

Actually, the knife's just for looks because I know that scawfish is actually the photohound of the norcal kayak fishing world.  Actually, my secret weapon for sharks is heavy flatulence against the seat of the boat, which causes a booming reverberation throughout the craft that sharks can't stand.  I think someone did their PHD dissertation on this, but right now I can't remember who that was.  I been paddling around for a while and haven't been bit yet, so it must work.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Malibu_Two on January 05, 2006, 11:03:35 AM
That is a nasty video! I guess standing waist deep, feeding 8 foot reef sharks while wearing shorts and sandals is a bad idea.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Gowen4bigfish on January 05, 2006, 09:56:25 PM
yeah who would have ever thought that feeding sharks was a bad idea 
while your standing in the water with them  :smt017

well I guess it just shows you, you really do learn something new every day.  :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on January 06, 2006, 08:34:17 AM
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yeah who would have ever thought that feeding sharks was a bad idea
while your standing in the water with them 


Yeah....it's called NATURAL SELECTION  :smt002


When a human gets complacent with wild animals - that's when tragedy is just around the corner. Like that dude who went to Alaska for 13 summers in a row to live with the grizzly bears....he ended up getting eaten by one and the sad part is that his girlfriend - while trying to fend off the grizz to protect her man - ended up eaten alive as well  :smt011  It's out on DVD called the Grizzly Man - I believe.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: polepole on January 06, 2006, 09:02:15 AM
I just got the DVD documentary on that guy.  It's called "Grizzley Man".  Let me tell you, that guy is WHACKO.

-Allen
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on January 06, 2006, 09:23:05 AM
Quote
Let me tell you, that guy is WHACKO.

two words ="Natural Selection".....that's why he's no longer walking among us. :smt009 I'm more upset of the fact that he got his GF involved with his stupidity and thus - getting her killed  :smt011
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: polepole on January 06, 2006, 09:46:50 AM
I'm more upset that he probably acclimated those bears to humans.  That's bad for the bears.  They won't know any better next time they come across some campers/hikers/fishers.

BTW, anyone here every put in for the McNeil River bear viewing lottery?  I've been doing this for year and have never "won".  Perhaps this year. http://www.wildlife.alaska.gov/mcneil/index.cfm

From sharks to bears ... we really are getting the wintertime blues here, aren't we?

-Allen
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mickfish on January 07, 2006, 11:24:31 AM
Woman dies after attack
.http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=worldNews&storyID=2006-01-07T121959Z_01_WRI744356_RTRUKOC_0_UK-AUSTRALIA-SHARK.xml&archived=False
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 07, 2006, 05:47:49 PM
Guys like sean van s. are usually hopelessly biased. His livelihood is all wrapped up in sharks, particularly the GWS,
so I have a difficult time buying anything he says at face value, I at least take a pinch of salt with it. Anything he says is going to
be spun and spun hard. And like I noted previously, there is some language on his site that
hints at a deeper elitist shark-hugging misanthropic point of view that could
easily be at odds with the interest of the general public.  It's so very jurassic park,  :smt004.

well, awareness is step # 1. so we'll just have to see what happens in the next half decade or so. Maybe we were
just crying wolf, being chicken little. I hope so.

hopefully this thread will be around to track it all.

Mooch, regarding natural selection, note that if the dude successfully reproduced before he got chomped,
then your point is not so valid.

In fact, maybe his dare-devil ways got him scads of groupies and he has 150 illegitimate offspring, who knows!

If you get eaten after you successfully reproduce, well, natural selection didn't work against you assuming that
your offspring survive which is usually true these days.

Mooch since you have declared your intention to not reproduce, we could argue that your love of fishing and
fear of committment (insert cliche here) is natural selection in action!  :smt003.



Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on January 08, 2006, 07:27:05 PM
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Mooch since you have declared your intention to not reproduce, we could argue that your love of fishing and
fear of committment (insert cliche here) is natural selection in action!  .

very true....there can only be "one" mooch and I'm sure the trout will be happy to know this  :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 09, 2006, 05:35:10 PM

I got a reply from Ralph Collier of the Shark Research Foundation regarding my questions about
details on the only known fatal attack of a GWS on a kayaker.

He gave me a copyrighted excerpt from this book that answers a couple of my questions about
the deaths of tamara and ray in 1989 off malibu.

paraphrasing, here are the answers to my questions:

1. She was wearing a windbreaker, so probably was not swimming when she got the wounds
that killed her (a big bite to the thigh that cut her femoral artery)

2. The kayak had damage consistent with a 2000lb object going 17 knots as determined by
an engineer familiar with kayak construction methods.

Buy Collier's book if you want the details, but I have asked him for permission to post the excerpt
from his book here.

However, this sounds like 16 years ago, two people died somehow at the jaws of a white shark(s)
while they were in their kayaks, making it pretty darn germane to this thread,  :smt009 :smt010 :smt011 :smt012

Also, by my count 3 kayaks have been effectively sunk by GWS, the two covered by BASK links
above and tamaras.

pretty wild!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 09, 2006, 06:26:35 PM

ralph quotes the ventura coroner who says the wounds are consistent with a white shark 5M in length.

I just ordered his book $60, I'll post a review when I get it and check it out.

The only orca attack I've ever heard of was the one on a kneeboarder in big sur.  I don't think the orcas
are as dumb as the white sharks. They'd have a clue on the kayak being a big hunk of plastic I think.

But I'm speculating of course.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bill on January 09, 2006, 06:38:58 PM
J was kind enough to CC me on the email and a few more details struck me:

1. "Something" was seen swirling near where the kayakers where know to go.

2. The kayaks where found lashed together.

3. The weather was pretty crappy that day with 30-50 knot winds.

4. Lots of wierd bumps etc found on the kayaks as well as the female victims hands and head.

Link to Collier's Book - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=ur2&tag=norcalkayakan-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&path=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fproduct%2F0971971749%2Fqid%3D1136859981%2Fsr%3D1-1%2Fref%3Dsr_1_1%3Fs%3Dbooks%2526v%3Dglance%2526n%3D283155
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 09, 2006, 06:58:04 PM

maybe bill is suggesting she was assaulted, chucked out of the kayak and then chomped while
floating?  then her companion ray bailed for Peru? Could be, stranger things have happened.
But I think they determined she didn't drown or die from the bruises to the head. the coroner
said exanquination or loss of blood was the cause of death.

my conversation with the volvo-driving rower @ lexington the other day was kind of funny.

I'm no spring chicken and he pre-dated me by a good 20 years. But he was out there
rowing a single scull early in the morning, amongst the diftwood.

we chatted and the topic of sharks came up. not such a worry in lexington of course,  :smt003.

His coment was, "Sharks? Kill them all, I hate 'em. F*cking commies". heh. I had a good laugh,
I figured, volvo, rower == tree hugger, so his comment was quite the surprise.

at the end of the day I'm more tree-hugger than not, but it was funny to hear this guy's
opinions on sharks, cause right now I'm on the way non-politically-correct end of the spectrum
to bring up the idea of kill permits for the GWS.



Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 09, 2006, 08:10:31 PM

I just realized that tamara and roy were 24 and training for a triathlon in 1989.

so was I! 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bill on January 09, 2006, 08:24:17 PM
I was not suggesting anything, just fleshing out the details. I hope he let's us publish his full excerpt, it is very interesting. Or maybe everyone should just buy the book  :smt003 Something very strange happened out there involving a shark, what exactly we will never know. My guess is a bit different:

They stopped and lashed the kayaks together and Roy jumped in for a swim, at some point Roy is hanging on the side of Tamara's kayak and is attacked from beneath. This causes the damage to Tamara's kayak and Tamara's head as she is flung against the kayak. Roy was probably killed on impact. Tamara was either cut during the initial attack or was hit soon after.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 09, 2006, 08:37:18 PM

It would be good to see a photo of the damaged kayak for ourselves.

Also to know the length of it. Color was white. I really don't think
color matters much.

too many possibilities for me to hazard a guess, but one thing that
comes to mind is that they could have come on a feeding event
(big pinniped, baby whale) with more than one shark present.

They might have got too close, been charged, knocked out,
charged again, bitten, one jumps in to help the other,
second shark appears, etc.

www.pelagic.org and shark research committee had more than one
report where a shark is defending its food, biting some pretty big
boats etc. 

blue, if you hear of a shark chomping on something, I'd say the idea
is to go the other way, not head in for a photo op.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Gowen4bigfish on January 09, 2006, 10:30:11 PM
remember what I said it allways seems to be a white or blue when a kayak is hit. :smt108
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: polepole on January 10, 2006, 08:22:28 AM
I have "the book".  One word of advice, don't let the girlfriend/wife get ahold of it.  Mine found it and she would read me a story or 2 every night for weeks.  She's now very scared of sharks and sometimes even more scared of me going out kayak fishing.  She can quote the number of attacks reported at every launch I use.   :smt013

-Allen
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 10, 2006, 10:03:24 AM

I'll be sure to leave it out, maybe I'll get a little attention and worry
on my behalf!   :smt005

Us dads are pretty darn far down the worry list. maybe you don't
have kids?


Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PISCEAN on January 12, 2006, 03:41:47 PM
Just another toss of my 2c,
To implement a permittted take on Great whites there would have to be a cooperative permitted take on their food source. Otherwise we might see even MORE sea lions out there than there now. And while I think that there would be some support for this in the commercial & even recreational fisheries, I would be really surprised to see sea lion hunting permits be supported by the voting majority of folks in the state of CA. For myself, I think messing with wildlife population numbers generally leads us into trouble. To be real, there will always be GWS out there, as long as there are seals to feed them. There's a balance there that humans just can't get around, and the more we try to manipulate the balance the deeper into trouble we get. We already take quite a few fish that might otherwise go to feed sealls, so I suppose one could argue that we, as fisherfolk, are already doing something to control the pinniped population and in turn, the shark population.
As I have mentioned previously, the MacAllister case has always be an argueable one, IMHO. Among the folks I have talked to in the kayak industry & the scientific research arena the consensus (at least in 1996) was that the guy probably offed his girlfriend & set it up to look like an accident. My own opinion is that this is more likely than a shark attack, but I'm open to whatever evidence is out there.
I went to a lecture by Ralph Collier several years ago & was surprised that he basically pooh-poohed the theory that GWS might "attack" for reasons other than food. I think (& I am by no means a shark research specialist) that the curiousity factor might have merit, seeing as how intelligent animals are generally curious (look at us, with a huge thread about something we all have some trepidation of). Being that sharks have no hands, it stands to reason that they would mouth something that they could not readily indentify. This would explain the two types of attacks, the hard hitting massive mid body bite (which is generally fatal in humans & elephant seals), and the softer, more sly bite (that surfers seem to survive). The recent "attack" up north seems to be an example of the latter. Anyway, I was really surprised that Mr Collier basically did not think this theory had anything to it. Not that he needed to agree, i just thought his response was strange. Of course I was just a smart aleck kid then, so maybe I misinterpreted his response.
To me, the equation is simple, humans, sharks, & seals all love the water and eventually the three will meet each other no matter what. If there weren't any sharks out there then every yahoo with a paddle would be out there with us.
I just hope if I ever do see a GW out there that 1. it knows I am not a pinniped, and 2. it has a boring, uninquisitive personality that is not interested in investigating large floating plastic things.

Sean
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 12, 2006, 04:56:28 PM

well, good to see some discussion on that point. here's my change for your 2c,  :smt006.

your assumption of coupling the take of GWS to take of sea lions doesn't hold merit for me.

everything in an ecosystem is linked one way or the other. So restricting that logic to two species in
an ecosystem seems forced at best.

as you note, we mess with plenty parts of the ecosystem, what's the big deal with limited messing with an apex predator?
if anything that has the least effect, not the most on an ecosystem.

note that you can take something off the top of a house of cards, but not the bottom, I'd say
we are safest if we only mess with stuff at the very top of the food chain. Sure pigs and deer
are a pest because their are no grizzlies and timber wolves walking the streets, but that's probably
better than the alternative, if one is going to be at all practical.

Finally it's not even clear there are enough of them to control pinneped numbers. Just enough
to bite a surfer or two each year, apparently, and eventually a kayaker maybe.

As for mcAllister, the report from the coroner cites only shark bites and bumps and bruises,
no strange slashes, and says that the bites were the cause of death, according to Collier's book.
It's quite possible the paddling community was too close to this event to think clearly about it and
quick to believe convenient rumors that avoid the scary truth. No it wasn't a shark, it was uh, aliens!
yeah, that's it! (Of course, it might have been aliens. I wasn't there, but I think death by shark was the most likely)

Collier is probably pretty unique. I have seen some comments from him that I don't agree
with myself. But to say that he mis-represented the coroner's report seems to be going too far.
the coroner's report can be verified. All you have on your side so far is rumor.

Finally, I kind of agree with your point about yahoos with paddles, but check out the so-cal zoo,
or even santa cruz for that matter, the sharks would have to be an out of control issue to really control the numbers of yahoos.
In the end, the kill permit thing is mostly symbolic, but it's probably also good policy to have a relief valve like this in place.

I'm for internationally auctioned kill permits of a limited number from
the USA, South Africa and Australia. It's largely an issue of symbolic revenge and a presure relief
valve, but I think it's a good idea to have something like this in place.

Best,

J

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Rock Hopper on January 13, 2006, 10:34:04 AM
All other points of this somewhat amusing thread aside - what makes you think that humans have more right to the ocean than sharks?

You're suggesting opening up a hunt on sharks just because you're worried about shark attacks on humans?

Should we ban driving so pedestrians are safe from cars?

Should we hunt endangered lions and tigers (and bears oh my!) just because they kill humans in Africa and India?

If you've ever watched any Discovery channel about animals you'd know that removal of apex predators has HUGE effects on the ecosystem.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 13, 2006, 11:45:37 AM

hey rockhopper,  :smt006. nice stipers you caught, not to mention those perch!

okay, here's my reply:

I don't worry about "rights" in the sense you use the word,
as a "moral" right rather than a "legal" right. I only worry about "legal" rights,
as in I have the "legal" right to my house cause I bought it. I have the legal
right to kill a certain number of fish becaue I'm a citizen of California and I have
a fishing license.

So I'm tossing the whole question of "moral" rights to any particular environment out
the window. Are you going to give your house back to the indians or the grizzlies or
the wolves that used to live there? What moral "right" to you have to anything you "own"?
No, let's not go down that rathole of "moral" rights.

right now we have chosen to cede the ocean to the GWS by given them "legal" rights
the ocean. They are fully protected by law.

We have given them legal right to kill us whenever they chose.


let's stick to "legal" rights. As in right now the GWS has legal right to the whole ocean.

I'm basically saying lets revoke the rights of a limited number of GWS to the ocean.

As for your second point, I'm watched my fair share of the discovery channel and from what I can see
 even the extinction of the GWS would not  appreciably affect the ecosystem.
if you have a fact based argument, let's hear it.

best,

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Rock Hopper on January 13, 2006, 01:48:22 PM
"Are you going to give your house back to the indians or the grizzlies or the wolves that used to live there? What moral "right" to you have to anything you "own"?"

That's a good point, but unfortunately all that happened long before my time - as far as Europeans stealing this country from the Native Americans and animals that have the moral right to the land I rent goes. So I had no control or opinion on the outcome of that.

We all do have the oppurtunity to have an opinion on this issue, though, so I'm stating mine.

My point still stands, too. You want to remove sharks from water that they have the "legal" and "moral" right to be in for no other reason than to protect humans who knowingly place themselves in the shark's feeding environment. (How's that for a run-on sentence).

My point is not to say who's right or wrong in their opinion. (And thankfully by the "tone" of your response you recognized that!) I guess my biggest point is that if people want to kayak in the ocean they do so knowing there is the risk of being investigated by a shark. I know a few people whose fear of sharks keep them off the water, when in reality they should be more afraid of the ocean itself, rather than what's lurking underneath.

If people want to go camping in the woods they do so knowing they could be attacked by a bear. That doesn't mean we should go around killing the few bears that are left just to make it safe for people. It means if people are worried about that then they don't belong in the woods in the first place. Same goes for kayakers.

I just don't think that humans have the legal or moral right to ANY ecosystem. Just like commercial fisherman thinking they have some sort of right to decimate fish populations....

Anyway, I'm just rambling on now...lol.

BTW - thanks for the fish compliments!

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 13, 2006, 02:35:40 PM

yeah, largely it's a symbolic thing. Note that it could help to protect the GWS.

Right now the Australians are ready to riot. Basically somebody with a high powered rifle or harpoon
or speargun could kill a few at any time, we all know where they appear every year.
If they wanted 'revenge' for an attack,  they might be inclined to do this.
But if they knew a few were taken out each year, perhaps
in proportion to the number of attacks, they might be less inclined to that illegal action
of killing a few off in an unregulated and untrackable manner.

right now guys like randy fry are basically sacrifices. But if the numbers bump up, humans will fight back.

I'm advocating a limited (say 10) number of kill permits be auctioned by some kind of internatinoal shark
protection body with members that include the US, south africa and australia.

Best,

J


Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: promethean_spark on January 13, 2006, 04:31:21 PM
Apologies if this is already somewhere in this long thread.  I read it about a year ago, and hadn't been able to find it since, stumbled upon it again today so here ya go.  I'm not sure I agree with their conclusion though.  They tallied 3 sightings but no bitings...

From : http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Curb/5893/whiteshark.html

GWS per HR


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In-Water Great White Shark Encounters are Rare Indeed, Unfortunately Attacks Are Not Any Less Likely.
Abstract
On a sample of 17 divers with a combined total of many many many hours of diving we have only 3 encounters with a Great White Shark (GWS) that occurred while the diver was looking at the GWS through water (as opposed to through the air, like from a boat or kayak) giving a rate between 0.00007 and 0.00010 GWS encounters per hour (somewhere around 1 encounter every four years spent continuously in the water). A rough estimate of the attack rate per hour in water gives similar numbers to this encounter rate, so, here in Northern California, its probably just as likely that you'll encounter a GWS as get attacked while you're in the water.

Results
First we count the numerator (number of in-water encounters).

1. Tony Civitell has one encounter whilst scuba spearfishing alone in Reverse Cove, south of Soberanes Point, south of Carmel.
2. Bob Bachman's buddy has one encounter in Fitzgerald Marine Reserve two years ago while freedive spearfishing.
3. Seth Hopkins and Joe Jackson in Fitzgerald Marine Reserve for 30-35 seconds (Citizen watch info) during a breathold dive Saturday August 7 1999, Seth laying, back down, on the bottom at 35 feet (Casio watch info) and Joe suspended around 18 feet, both of us making sure It knew we were watching. My rate is 1 per 75 hours total in Northern California (0.013), but my San Mateo rate is 1 per 4 hours (0.25). Joe's rate is about the same at 1 per 50 hours NorCal total (0.020) and 7 hours San Mateo (0.14).

Now we count up the (more comforting) denominator (total hours in-water):

1. Dennis Haussler: 0 per 1000 hours.
2. Kurt Bickel: 0 per 2560 hours (16 years X 40 days X 4 hours).
3. Paul Castillou: 0 per 14 years (hours unknown, let's use Kurt's metric to say 2240).
4. Dave Wittington: 0 per 21 years (hours unknown, Kurt's metric says 3360).
5. Dave Wittington's Friend: 0 per 25 years (Kurt's metric says 4000).
6. Dave Edlund: 0 per 26 years (this Dave says his 1990s totaled 1000-1500 hours, so let's say the total is around 3000 hours).
7. Joe Tobin: 0 per 20 years (Joe says about 10 hours per month X 6 months per year X 20 years = 1200 hours).
8. Terry Maas: 0 (Joe Tobin says) per many years (lets say 5000 hours)..
9. Allan Spehar: 0 per 1000 hours (his shore sighting doesn't count here).
10. Peter Wolfgram: 0 per 30 years (4800 hours).
11. Bob Bachman: 0 (I'm already counting his buddy's encounter while Bob was on a diveboard) per 3120 hours.
12. One of Bob's buddies: 0 in 3120 hours.
13. Another of Bob's buddies (the one who encountered the GW) also has a total of around 3120 hours.
14. Dusty Boeger: 0 in 15 years (he estimates hundreds of hours, let's say 400 hours).
15. Seth Hopkins: 1 in a measly 75 hours.
16. Joe Jackson: the same 1 in a minuscule 50 hours.
17. Tony Civitell: 1 in 2000 hours.

Therefore, our survey shows that in a sample of 17 divers we have 3 encounters per 40045 total hours (0.00007 encounters per hour) (In the numerator, I'm counting Joe Jackson and I as one diver, one encounter since it was the same GWS. We now tend to stick together while diving, since after pulling that 30lb Halibut up together on July 29th by the shooting line and especially after Joe's squaring off to the GWS swooping in on my ass on August 7th our buddy lessons are well-learned. If I dive with any of you in the future you'll know why I am trailing by your fins in full-out symbiosis!)

Discussion
This number of 0.00007 encounters per hour is confirmed by Alan Spehar's separate, more or less independent, estimate from the CENCAL competitions (Alan's estimate is 25 divers X 5 meet hours X 5 meets per year X 40 years) producing 1 (by Conrad, in Carmel River, this year, not included in the survey's 17) encounter per 25,000 meet hours cumulative of all divers (0.00004 encounters per hour). Our encounter rate is in this range of 0.00001 to 0.00020 even if we discover one or two more of us has had an encounter I haven't heard about yet, considering there are also some heavy-hitting veterans with 1000+ hours that we likewise aren't including.

I am aware from the CENCALFREEDIVER list that Larry Burris SCUBAing in Carmel Bay encountered (two passes) a GWS. I don't know how many hours he's been in the water though, nor do I know how many other vets are out there to contribute their thousands of GWS-less hours to the denominator. You can see that I don't want to prejudice the count towards the numerator!!

Notice that if we back off of Kurt Bickel's eager metric (160 hours per year, is he a fanatic?) and move towards a more sane metric like Joe Tobin's (60 hours per year) for those guys that just have yearly estimates, then our total hours becomes 1 encounter per 31045 hours (0.00010 encounters per hour). Cool, very cool, it all works out to quite rare indeed :-).

But what might be the number of GWS attacks per hour? Boy this is gonna be rough, but change the numbers as you see fit. Starting from 60 attacks in 73 years (1926 to 1999, I know many of these weren't while diving, but...) I would guess 100 (low?) to 500 (high?) full-on scuba/freedivers logging 160 hours (Kurt Bickel's metric) to 60 (Joe Tobin's metric) hours a year. This gives 0.00001 to 0.00014 GWS ATTACKS per hour in the water, remarkably similar to our range of GWS encounters per hour. I conclude that the two are just as improbable, but at least I would be more comfortable if the attacks were MORE improbable than encounters :-(. I'm just glad Joe Jackson and I landed on the encounter side of these two improbabilities, at least for this time :-) . One final number to consider is the 0.10 fatality rate given an attack. That is a tough one to get around and would only increase if we consider the poor souls who were never found again.

Conclusion
It should be noted that Joe Jackson and I believe we may never have even seen the GWS (unless it had attacked, and we may have caused it to abort its attack) if we weren't buddy diving in our (by now) typical style: always in eye contact, one following the other and meeting up on the bottom. It was on our way down that Joe squared off with the GWS heading toward my legs (from the bottom I was watching Joe, wondering why he wasn't coming on down, then I saw the GWS in an "einne-meanie-minny-moe" stalemate wondering who might taste better.

Our suits were identical, did we confuse Whitey with our schooling-fish tactic? Was my lingcod-style defense, holed up on the bottom waiting for danger to pass effective? Was Joe's China Rockfish tactic of raising his spines to make himself appear larger effective? We probably would all agree that the number of times that a GWS encounters us is likely to be more than 0.00010 per hour, and after seeing how that thing moves in the water I'm convinced it doesn't have to let us know that its checking us out for a dinner potential. It is able to sense us from well beyond our visibility range here in Northern California, and it can move in with great stealth, should it like the prospects.

So, given the indistinguishable rates of encounters and attacks, the GWS's stealth, predatory sense, low visibility in the water, and finally its range, I might speculate that they encounter us quite frequently, but should you encounter it, the bugger is really seriously considering an attack, or, the optimist might say, it has just called one off. In any case, you'd best find a cave quick and go in there with your best static breathold!

Other Dangers
Some people say that the drive to the dive site is more likely to kill you than a shark. Auto fatalities are probably more remote than shark encounters, given that you are a freediver around here (let's say 3 hours driving per dive per person for 40 dives a year multiplied by the national average (I think) of 50,000 fatalities per year per 250,000,000 person gives 0.000002 fatalities per hour driving, significantly less than encounter rates and, incidentally, less than attack rates too. Sorry that's no comfort either. Sleep tight and D(r)ive Safe!

Whether by shallow-water blackout, entanglement (kelp, fishing line, etc.), knocking yourself out on a rock, or some other means, its drowning that has to be the biggest gotcha. No statistical data on that yet, though.

Acknowledgements
Thanks to all those named and not named for your participation in this study. You guys have dove a lot, and Kurt, if you keep it up, you're bound to encounter one too. Might I suggest you try at Fitzgerald Marine Reserve?!

-Seth
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bill on January 13, 2006, 10:01:23 PM
If you did a study with kayaks the numbers would be incredibly tiny compared to the dive stats.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: promethean_spark on January 13, 2006, 11:51:42 PM
Well, I jump right in and dive, so their numbers are the ones I pay attention to.  :smt002  After swimming in norcal, I feel positively bulletproof in my kayak. 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: granitedive on January 14, 2006, 04:05:05 PM
Quote
Well, I jump right in and dive, so their numbers are the ones I pay attention to.    After swimming in norcal, I feel positively bulletproof in my kayak.

Ditto.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 14, 2006, 04:56:02 PM

I surf, so I also feel comparitively safe in a kayak.

it was interesting that they computed the diving to be more risky
than driving (and that's just the shark factor).

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Mr.Matt on January 16, 2006, 10:48:02 AM
Got to tell you this thread is interesting but lets face it...
Sharks are here and allways will be. Even if we took 10 harvested each year there would be 10 more that find those hunting grounds free and we happen to be in the same hunting grounds with great whites.
I went surfing friday for the 1st time in 2 years because of fear of the GWS. Yeah in my kayak I really dont worry too much but there is allways the chance it might be my time.
I would rather die out in the ocean doing something I love to do than never do it and die behind the wheel of my car.,
By the way I surfed Linda Mar and there were around 100+ surfers in the water on friday so I figured I had good odds of not getting chomped.
 :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 16, 2006, 11:56:33 AM


Try surfing scott's creek reefbreak or one of the spots near there with nobody else out.  :smt011.
Or heck even ross cove. or flatrock. or private idaho's. list goes on.

then let's see how you feel.

lindamar is barely surfing. it's the equivlent of kayak fishing in a pool!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: promethean_spark on January 16, 2006, 12:21:32 PM
Of course it's more risky than driving, there'a a lot of things that can get ya.  However you drive every day, but only get in the ocean a few times/month, so you might still be more likely to die in the car than the water - just because of much greater exposure.


I surf, so I also feel comparitively safe in a kayak.

it was interesting that they computed the diving to be more risky
than driving (and that's just the shark factor).


Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Mr.Matt on January 16, 2006, 05:22:32 PM


Try surfing scott's creek reefbreak or one of the spots near there with nobody else out.  :smt011.
Or heck even ross cove. or flatrock. or private idaho's. list goes on.

then let's see how you feel.

lindamar is barely surfing. it's the equivlent of kayak fishing in a pool!

Learned at salmon Creek in Sonoma County.Surfed there for 2 years....Hope thats hardcore enough for you... :smt003.
LindaMar was nice to get back into the game....
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 16, 2006, 06:21:59 PM
I'm just teasing mr. matt, once I went to ocean beach SF and it was too big, went down
to lindamar, and it was big closeouts after I got out, I couldn't wait to get in.  :smt010 :smt009.

every spot gets its day and any place can seem sharky, spooky and dangerous.

regarding the 10 sharks, well that's 40,000 lbs of less shark, I think it woud indeed affect the balance
of power, these things are not that common to start with.  pick whatever number you want that
might make a difference but would not push them to extinction.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 16, 2006, 06:38:48 PM
blue, I don't think the license thing will happen either, not on its own, but suppose there are
10 attacks this year. They will probably declare the ocean powerboat only or something. Whenever
there's a law, it's always too much too late, wild pendulum swinging. So I wanted to float this one
because when and if the attacks start to increase, somebody somewhere might have a similar idea
and if it gets pushed to the front before the crazy ideas like "outlaw any craft that a shark might chomp"
maybe it'll have a chance. If it has a flaw, it's just an idea too far ahead of its time.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Mr.Matt on January 16, 2006, 06:44:19 PM
John.
You have good points. Just hate to see us (humans) kill off another species of life for our own personal gain.
Of course I dont want to die to prove my point but also would love to have my children be able to see the ULTIMATE predator of the sea..... :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 16, 2006, 07:23:13 PM

Yeah, there's not really a great choice in this one. Either you cede the ocean to the GWS,
or you fight back, or something in the middle. It's really a case of lesser evils.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: promethean_spark on January 17, 2006, 10:33:11 AM
Critters know when they're safe or not, it's like ESP.  If the GWS were a gamefish in some fashion, they'd learn a propper fear and respect for people.  The other day I was walking in a park and a red fox was running around only 50 feet from my son and I (wife ran away..) no way that fox would've hung around a human in a place where there were hunters.  Similarly, fish in reserves are less cautious of divers, ect.  IMO, the last thing we need is laws that make GWS view humans as harmless things of questionable edibility.  Even C&R fishing would teach them to run like hell from boats and people.   It'd be good to put them in their place and let them know that they live only by our active consent.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: promethean_spark on January 17, 2006, 12:38:45 PM
Protected animals are more bold than ones that aren't, with regards to people at least.  If people never hurt them or threaten them, they become less cautious and interact with people more.  Such as the 'problem bears' at yellowstone.  It's safer for dangerous animals to be un-nerved by people than indifferent/curious, both for them and us.  Even something legal, like sharkshield, may be good for this.  When they see a diver they might think 'sometimes those buggers shock the shit out of me...' and do a 180.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 17, 2006, 03:57:42 PM

I have to agree with the spark. A few harpoons tossed @ GWS and maybe they would not be so eager to hang around boats.
On the other hand, they were chomping people and even boats just fine before they were protected, not sure they'd
get the idea real well, but some probably would.

This could be a side effect of the international limited kill permit idea. (BTW, they would not be "harvesting" GWS, they
would be killing them for trophies, like a tarpon, I don't think anybody is going to eat these things,
it's a cave-man bragging-rights thing plain and simple).

Now, there's always that one shark that's never seen a single item of man-kind and also just plain old isn't afraid of anything,
but on balance I think the limited kill permit idea would help keep them away from boats a little.

As much as the bible-literal attitude that the earth is there for humans to do what they want does turn my stomach
(because implicit in that POV is a general disrespect and disregard of the wild kingdom), 
it's also pretty much just a statement of fact in today's world, if not christ's world of 2000 years ago.
We choose whether they live or die and we choose whether a few surfers, divers, and maybe kayakers
do too. Right now GWS are cool, everybody wants them around. It'll stay that way unless they wear out
their welcome with a few too many attacks and then the pendulum might swing, and swing hard.

Here's something cool,
Did you guys know that the first shark attack in the 1900's came off the oakland airport in 1926 on a boy and his dog both?
yep, I got "the book" and that's the first attack listed,  :smt005. maybe it was just a very mean sturgeon?  :smt005
It goes on to say that GWS did come into the bay in days gone by. There was a fish processing plant there then tho.
Maybe they'll return now that they are protected?

Also on the McAllister thing, some new stuff comes to mind:
If the wind was blowing hard, which apparently it was, it came up after they launched, and they got hit from the bottom
(which is the photo-supported theory) and ejected, they would not have been able to get back to their kayaks,
the kayaks would have blown away as Blue has discovered first hand. Once separated from
their kayaks, the shark could have returned and chowed them down in a leisurely fashion. The book shows the holes in
the white kayak, it could be a white shark impact, but there are no teeth marks, just two star-shaped impact holes
about a mouth-full apart. But it could also be the damage they'd get from behind run over by a boat. Engineer said
something in excess of 2000 lbs going at least 17 knots. shark or boat both fit that one.
Further the notes about an attack on pinnepeds near the bouy they typically paddled to (makes me think of that dux bouy),
make it possible that they were attacked because they got close to shark feeding.

so I'm thinking:

1. got too close to shark feeding right near bouy they liked to paddle to,
2. attacked, ejected under windy conditions
3. kayaks blow away faster than they can swim to them.
4. stuck out there, no kayak, shark in the water.
5. They find tamara, floating dead from blood loss via femoral artery cut (as stated by coroner)
6. her friend, roy stoddard never found.
7. kayaks are found upside down, many miles to the south, still tied together.

just call me columbo,  :smt002.



Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 17, 2006, 08:27:52 PM
Guys, Ralph Collier gave me permission to post an excerpt from his book:


the following is a synopsis from my book "Shark Attacks of the Twentieth Century: from the Pacific Coast of North America."

On Thursday, 26 January 1989, Roy J. Stoddard, 24, and Tamara McAllister, 24, were kayaking off Latigo Point/Paradise Cove, west of Malibu, Los Angeles County, California (about 34°01.2'N; 118°46.5'W). The couple were training for an upcoming triathlon and, to prepare, kayaked and swam almost daily.  The 5-to-6-km round trip from Latigo Point [Photograph-Latigo-scan-403-413] to Paradise Cove was a frequent and enjoyable experience for the young couple. The last time anyone would remember seeing McAllister and Stoddard was about 0930 hrs, when they were observed launching their kayaks and paddling around Latigo Point as they headed north toward Paradise Cove.   

          At about 1015 hrs, a resident of Paradise Cove observed “a heavy boiling and thrashing in the water out past the kelp beds.”  The water commotion was west and south of the USCG buoy. They reported; “a lot of splashing water and a churning of the ocean, like a whirlpool, maybe 15 to 20 feet [5 to 6 m] across.  It lasted about 5 to 10 minutes, then stopped, with all going quiet in the water.” Pinnipeds frequent the area of the buoy and were observed “trying to crawl up on top of it. They were very agitated when the water was being churned up”

Friday, 27 January, the two kayaks were found lashed together, upside down, 6 km off nearby Zuma Beach in Los Angeles County.  They were towed to Channel Islands Harbor in Oxnard, Ventura County, and were subsequently turned over to the Ventura County Sheriffs Department on 30 January (Photograph).  At 1630 hrs on Saturday, 28 January, Tamara McAllister’s body was found 10 km from Channel Islands Harbor (34°05.0'N; 119°18.0'W) on a heading of 220° true.  She was wearing a bathing suit and a zippered, blue and black windbreaker jacket. The USCG began a search-and-rescue operation for Stoddard.  The extensive search for him was called off after a week.  He was never found.

I invested several weeks interviewing local residents, business owners, and others known to be in the area the day McAllister and Stoddard disappeared.  No one could remember seeing the couple following their departure at Latigo Point. There are probably countless scenarios for this tragic event. The following is one possibility out of many and is based on circumstantial evidence.

          After launching their kayaks from Latigo Point, the couple usually paddled out until they were 50 to 100 m offshore, just inside the kelp canopies, before turning north to Paradise Cove.  Once they had arrived at their destination they would swim, talk, and sometimes have a snack before returning to Latigo Point. According to friends familiar with their routines, this trip usually took McAllister and Stoddard 45 to 60 minutes.  They could have arrived only minutes after the commotion reported near the buoy.  This commotion may have been a white shark feeding on one of the pinnipeds that had been on or near the buoy.   

          McAllister was found wearing her windbreaker jacket, making it reasonable to assume that she was not swimming at the time of the accident. The kayaks had been found lashed together, suggesting that they were stationary in the water.  However, I propose that they might have been trying to return to Latigo Point in heavy seas, with headwinds gusting 30 to 50 knots. McAllister’s kayak had a small crack in the skin of its hull, causing it to take on water. With her slight build, it might have been difficult for McAllister to maneuver her kayak in the stiff headwinds and choppy seas.  The kayaks might have been lashed together by the couple in an attempt to combat these rough conditions. Stoddard would have been in the lead kayak, McAllister the following.  With both paddling together, Stoddard would have been able to cut a wake, thereby reducing McAllister’s effort.

          A hole was discovered in the bow of the white kayak’s underbelly (Photograph).  Also present were fractures to either side of the hull. They appear to be stress fractures, caused when the kayak was struck from below.  An engineer familiar with the construction and material used in today's kayaks suggested that the observed damage would require the hull to be struck by an object with a mass in excess of 900 kg, traveling at least 17 knots, to cause the damage sustained.  Several kayak manufacturers said that a kayak’s construction actually causes it to recoil from an object when struck.  This flexible construction could have caused the kayak to be lifted into the air when struck from below with sufficient force.

         With McAllister’s kayak being towed behind Stoddard’s, she would have been thrown backwards, possibly striking her head and/or hand on the kayak’s surface.  In contrast, Stoddard would have been violently thrown forward and could have struck his head on his kayak’s hatchcover, a piece of plywood 25 mm in thickness. Several small, rounded indentations on the surface of the plywood hatchcover were found and examined.  Forensic investigation found no hair, tissue or linen fibers.  The source of these indentations could not be determined.

          Ventura County Coroner Warren Lovell, with the assistance of investigators Jim Wingate and Mitch Breese, determined the following: “Tamara McAllister died from exsanguination, the result of massive tissue loss to the upper left thigh and a traumatic wound to the upper right thigh that severed the femoral artery and vein.  Measurement of the left thigh injury exceeded 34 centimeters in diameter.”  Bruises to the right hand and back of her head where also reported. The dimensions of Tamara McAllister’s injury suggest that a White Shark about 5 m in length was responsible for this unfortunate tragedy.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: granitedive on January 17, 2006, 09:01:30 PM
Quote
Even C&R fishing would teach them to run like hell from boats and people.

I guess it will have to be circle hooks only... :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 18, 2006, 01:03:55 PM

more like C&E, Catch and get Eaten.   :smt010.

There's two stories of guys in little skiffs in "the book" hooking and
then having altercations with a GWS, once in la jolla and once @ shelter cove.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Gowen4bigfish on January 18, 2006, 01:14:40 PM
you hook a GWS on a kayak and you better be ready for one hell of a sleigh ride :smt003 or maybe just the shortsest ride you ever had  :smt009

I would recommend a long length of cable though, just in case he decides to dive, could get real wet.  :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 18, 2006, 01:21:05 PM
How about this for filling parts of your kayak to allow for holes from large triangular teeth?

http://www.shopmaninc.com/foam.html

cheaper than a kevlar sheet maybe?

 :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Mr.Matt on January 18, 2006, 04:53:15 PM
John post up in the hookup section for a spring GWS hunt...You are our expert, Joel can bring the salmon heads, Erik can bring sturgeon leaders, and I will bring a few neighborhood cats that are bothering me at nite!!! :smt001 :smt006
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Malibu_Two on January 18, 2006, 07:20:17 PM
I'm not sure killing sharks will make them more afraid of people. Are sharks smart enough to understand that when they feel a bullet or a harpoon hit them, that this projectile has been thrown/fired by a person? And furthermore, if we kill a shark, how will it go back and tell its friends that we are to be avoided?

I don't think that an ultimate showdown between the humans and the sharks is quite here yet...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Gowen4bigfish on January 18, 2006, 08:11:09 PM
I don't know that Jmairy is going to kill a GWS I think he may be planning to do battle with one though. :smt065 I think we need to get a couple of guys with camcorders to record all of this though.  :director:

Don't worry John will give you a cut of the profits if you make it, eerrr when you get back in. :smt036

P.S. It might be better that you don't kill the beast it wont look good on film and you want him to tell his buddy's that us humans are stating to whup some straighten up on them.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on January 18, 2006, 08:16:23 PM
hmm, I'm probbly not your man, sorry to disappoint. but I'm considering adusting my will and leaving
$30K to the  member of ncka that brings one down, should I be eaten,   :smt005.  practice up on
your harpoon throwing!

regarding the fear of humans thing, malibu two, you are perhaps over-anthropomorphizing, projecting
human qualities on something that does just fine without them.

coyotes and bobcats can't talk but most of them avoid humans almost religiously. how'd that happen?

I think it really comes down to genetic selection more than anything else.
The sharks that naturally avoid boats etc, live, and the others, well, they die.
Over time, you get a population that avoids humans. There might be a few individuals that learn fast,
and those ones live too.  This is similar to the idea that when the largest of the fish are always kept,
you end up with a population of smaller fish over time, which somebody else on this board spoke of.

Did you know that this diver rodney orr was attacked twice! both near tomales point. he fought the shark
off both times, sticking his thumb in the eye once, next time punching the shark while his head was stuck
in the jaws. holy cow. TWICE. I can't decide if he's the luckiest guy to ever live or the unluckiest,  :smt017

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Malibu_Two on January 18, 2006, 11:00:50 PM
I think coyotes and bobcats, mammals for that matter, are smarter than fish and can understand that humans are dangerous...I agree with the natural selection theory - that animals that have a tendency to veer close to humans (curiosity, stupidity, etc) die off, unless they are protected, like with great whites...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: promethean_spark on January 23, 2006, 06:10:25 PM
(http://www.spearboard.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=26077&stc=1)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Malibu_Two on January 23, 2006, 06:41:41 PM
That's not real is it? It's some great Photoshop work, though!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: promethean_spark on January 24, 2006, 09:52:33 AM
Supposedly it's real, from south africa though.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Gowen4bigfish on January 25, 2006, 08:43:23 PM
Yes this is a new South Africa training program and it seems the time trials have improved dramatically, well the ones that have survived the training program that is. :smt002

Gowen the thread killer
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Gowen4bigfish on February 05, 2006, 08:40:50 PM
Yeah Blue I was hopping I might run in to you. Thought you might show at the lunch-in we had. So whats up at Dux ? Just so you know I was planning on doing some salmon trolling so I appreciate the addvice on the equipment you guy's have been posting. Got myself a two piece Shimano 9' 6"  15-30 MH on the way.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on February 05, 2006, 09:52:19 PM
what's the #1 shark attack location?

tomales point/ bird rock. 9 attacks. almost all ab divers.

how about santa cruz/ aptos? any attacks? yep.

16 year old girl, '60's back when they swam in the ocean.

a lot of sharks appear off pt pinos. that spot is sharky.
multiple attacks.

pigeon point. yeppers. multiple attacks.

spot where I got that halibut? yep, attack in 1991.

oregon? the new shark attack destination. reedsport with a multiple.

"the book" is cool!

I don't have tv. how was that superbowl thing?  :smt003

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on March 23, 2006, 02:39:07 PM
bsteves, the fish scientist posted this outside the hallowed GWS thread. (I kind of want to knock on his skull,
see if anybody is home, what he didn't see this thread?  or the same picture already posted here?
:smt017 maybe his brain is a little mushy due to being a new Dad, that does have that effect.)

great post bsteves, next time just put it in the right place so we don't have to take your ling-killin', fish-printin'
ignorant scientist butt to task again!  :smt004

he posts:

Quote from: bsteves

Evidently this photo has started much debate on whether it is fake or not.  It was first published in "Africa Geographic"  and appears to be real.  See the link below for a scan of the original article.


http://www.whitesharktrust.org/pages/mediaarticle/media25.html


Brian

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: SBD on April 03, 2006, 06:09:35 AM
It is real.  Its from African Geographic, they did a whole issue on GWS.  The pic is also discussed at SNOPES as real as well.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on June 12, 2006, 01:08:03 PM
http://www.topkayaker.net/Articles/NatureIssues/sharks.htm#AVOID
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: guitarzan on July 10, 2006, 05:49:43 PM
Better to be eaten by Whitie than squished by muni. Might be my epitath. I love GWSs. I thought of them every time a 20 foot bait ball was marked when Im at dux, with an adrenalin  smile. Its simple- if whitie is to much, just stay on the beach. Wish there were more of them, it will help curb the yak explosion that were about to see in the next few years. Yaks are going to outnumber PBs, mark my words. The agencies are trying to figure out how to control and regulate us allready, I bet. GWSs belong here. Allways have.
 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on July 20, 2006, 10:15:01 AM
Yeah!If you spend your time thinking about it.it will feed your fear.I jumpped in the ocean from O.B.(s.f.) to Santa Cruz at least 2-3 times a week for 15yrs.durring all four seasons and have never seen WHITEY.Not to say he wasn't there but if your passion invovles danger?Put it on the scale of fun vs. fear and dont look back!unless its a mouth-full-o-teeth. :smt010
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on August 01, 2006, 06:05:49 PM
I've heard yesterday from 2 people about a video that shows a kayaker being followed by a 14' GWS. They said thats the size for the kayak was 12' and the shark was a bit bigger. Anybody know of this? :smt065
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on August 01, 2006, 08:12:46 PM

that's why I paddle a 15' kayak and try to fish with people with smaller kayaks,  :smt004.

the weak buffalo. the ideal fishing companion.  :smt005
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on August 02, 2006, 08:56:14 AM

that's why I paddle a 15' kayak and try to fish with people with smaller kayaks,  :smt004.

the weak buffalo. the ideal fishing companion.  :smt005

or you can simply "tip over" your buddy with your paddle and apologize right away :smt002 :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on August 02, 2006, 09:53:11 AM
Very Comforting :smt005 :shark
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bigfoot on August 02, 2006, 09:57:09 AM
the pic of shark and kayak is my screensaver. My brother sent it to me, I do not know where he got it. I'll ask. I have been within spitting distance of three different GW's 6-8', 10-12', 18-19' the 2 smaller of Ft Bragg and Pappa was 3 miles staight out of Santa Cruz. We know the bastard was that big because we were in a 17.5' Ski boat and It was bigger then our boat. What an awsome experience.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on August 02, 2006, 10:23:33 AM
YIKE! Can you possibly put that up here (Screen saver that is)? That experince must have truly awsome, how do you feel about being out in the ocean with those guppies? :smt063
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bigfoot on August 02, 2006, 10:37:49 AM
I have the screensaver in Bitmap and it won't load into forum. I'll work on coverting it(any tips). The two smaller sharks were way cool. Boat size to shark size very relevent. the big guy was more of a force of God.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on August 02, 2006, 12:45:17 PM
Sorry about tips, I'm at the stage of just getting e-mails through! There are knowlegable members looking :smt003
I'm sure one of them will come through
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: SBD on August 03, 2006, 05:25:13 AM
Heres a reasonably relevant bit of news...http://www.fishingkites.co.nz/newsletters/newsletter101.htm
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Tote on August 03, 2006, 05:42:15 AM
Only blood and vomit??? I certainly would have shat myself as well!!!!!!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on August 29, 2006, 10:26:32 AM
I've been reading this thread for a while now and must say it's pretty interesting to hear everyone's opinions. Also glad to see so much interest in the GWS! I've been a shark geek for a long time and especially when it comes to the GWS. One guy who really knows his stuff about GWS is John E. McCosker. He's done a lot of work with GWS and been a researcher, director, and curator at California Academy Of Sciences (Steinhart Aquarium). http://www.calacademy.org/research/curators/mccosker.htm He's got a good simple rundown of GWS info that is pretty darn informational.

http://www.calacademy.org/research/aquatic/sharks.php

He also co-authored a great GWS book: http://www.amazon.com/Great-Shark/dp/0804725292/sr=8-1/qid=1156872361/ref=sr_1_1/104-6101327-4450317?ie=UTF8
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bungle on September 06, 2006, 06:27:40 PM
McCosker is featured in a National Geographic special I saw (yeah, I rented movies from the library) roughly 20 yrs ago about GWs and sharks in general.  I remember him referring to the color of life preservers as being "yum yum yellow".   
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Whalewatched on September 06, 2006, 09:23:40 PM
  I saw on the news that a GWS was spotted at Stinson's Beach over the Labor Day weekend. I'm guessing he'll be heading up to Bodega Head and Doran Beach for seal snacks. There must be at least a dozen seals and juvenile sea lions per mile around that beach and the Bodega Harbor jetties!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PISCEAN on September 13, 2006, 01:49:18 PM
Just checked back with this thread and had to give my props to John McCosker as well. I had a very nice phone conversation/interview with him in 1992 while doing my thesis. He was a big help to me and was very friendly to a noob college student researching population dynamics of GWS.
-Sean
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: guitarzan on September 14, 2006, 07:04:34 PM
Dux sounds good for sat... a good day to eat or be eaten. Anyone game?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on October 01, 2006, 07:18:55 PM

hopefully cafecraig will post his encounter with a GWS here, or somebody will put a link to his Bean Hollow report, (I am too lazy)

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: craigh on October 09, 2006, 05:22:20 PM
Cafecraigs GWS encounter was  great, I first heard it The day after he saw it.

He told us, in person on the water (Brian, Tim, John, and myself) Just after we launched at Bean Hollow and grouped up just past the surf.

He recommended, that if we saw one to keep still, paddle out of the water.  CafeCraig, and Scott head out to deep water, 4 of us head south. John and Tim in the lead, myself in the middle and newbie Brian bringing up the rear.  After about 5-10 min of paddling Brian seemed a little quite, as I paddled with the left hand I looked back at Brian only to see his paddle out of the water and a Dorsal fin (shark) not a mol-mola about 5' to my left and pulling ahead. We called out to Tim and John. Just as they turned back to see the fin slipped under the surface, not to be seen the rest of the day.

Defiantly and experience to remember...


Craigh
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jselli on October 11, 2006, 01:26:45 PM
What is the chance that it was not a GWS and possibly another type of shark?  I don't doubt the encounter, just want to see if there are other possibilities.  The day Joel, bill and myself were out there a thresher shark put on a show on the surface of the water.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bsteves on October 11, 2006, 01:51:01 PM
Salmon sharks are fairly common this time of year especially near the mouths of salmon runs and look a lot like smaller great whites.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ScottThornley on October 11, 2006, 02:46:10 PM
As mentioned by CraigH, I paddled with Cafecraig the day after the encounter and we talked about the encounter at some length. His description of size plus distinct border between dark grey back and white belly pretty much spells out GWS, or huge Salmon Shark (10-12 feet would put it at or above the known largest size of Salmon Shark)

Bean Hollow is a good 35 miles, if not more, from the mouth of the Golden Gate. But about 8 miles up the coast from Año Nuevo.

I'll give 5:1 odds it was Bruce, and am somewhat envious of the encounter.


Scott

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Windrider on October 11, 2006, 04:27:56 PM
There was an attack on a surfer in Florence, OR on Aug 29.  He was just sitting on his board and the GW just grabbed his foot and tried to drag him down.  He hit it with his board and it let go.  I don't usually think about sharks except when I'm sitting in my yak with my feet hanging over the side.  I won't stop doing that, but I do think about Whitey at times.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: craigh on October 11, 2006, 05:48:34 PM
I'm no expert on sharks, heck I still carry the fish I.D chart Joel handed out. It could have been another kind of shark, but it was big, dark and seem about the same length of my Drifter.  I did have my camera, but it was stowed and I went into "Pucker" mode for a couple of moments..  :smt107 

I glad I saw it, it takes the wonder out of " What would I do if I saw one."  I still going to fish the Ocean, but probably more with a buddy than by myself.

I might put some black stripe's on the bottom of my Yum-Yum yellow yak

Craigh
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jselli on October 12, 2006, 10:28:09 AM
Pretty cool encounter!  Ano is so close that I woudn't doubt if anyone head out again this year there would be a good chance of seeing another one!
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/11/1111_021111_TVShark.html
cool article.

jason
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on October 12, 2006, 11:53:52 AM
Pretty cool encounter!  Ano is so close that I woudn't doubt if anyone head out again this year there would be a good chance of seeing another one!
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2002/11/1111_021111_TVShark.html
cool article.

jason

Good stuff jsell. I always love at the end of every article about GWS they have to add that they don't like humans as food :smt005 .
Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: surfingmarmot on October 15, 2006, 07:10:10 PM
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I always love at the end of every article about GWS they have to add that they don't like humans as food

Don't like humans as food eh? Well, all I can say then is they are trying pretty hard to develop an acquired taste for it :smt009
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: promethean_spark on October 17, 2006, 04:24:15 PM
I'm just waiting for one to steal a halibut from someone at bean hollow when they're playing it at the surface waiting for a bigger net...  Get the fish, especially larger ones, out of the water ASAP and make sure you have the gear to do it.  You don't want to get bowled over by a feeding shark out there.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: surfingmarmot on October 17, 2006, 04:32:46 PM
Further, once the shark gets excited and senses your fish struggling and maybe even tastes it, its aggression and feeding response will build. You don't want to be in that situation. Uh uh. :smt009
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Whalewatched on October 20, 2006, 09:25:04 AM
Get the fish, especially larger ones, out of the water ASAP and make sure you have the gear to do it.  You don't want to get bowled over by a feeding shark out there.

  Absolutely! And, once you get your fish out of the water, keep it and it's blood/gore out of the water!
I know some guys bleed their fish out on the water, but I think that's an awfully risky way to keep the catch fresh.
I don't even have the guts to use a stringer or game clip in saltwater! I throw all my fish into a cooler instead.  Paul
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on October 24, 2006, 05:29:04 PM
Don't like humans as food eh? Well, all I can say then is they are trying pretty hard to develop an acquired taste for it :smt009

I think they're more along the lines of kicking ass than eating. If they wanted to eat us they easily could. They're constantly givin' that one haymaker and then splittin' from the scene.  :smt093  think the title of the landlord says it all..  :wink:

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: kickfish on December 12, 2006, 05:15:06 PM
Long Range fishing it takes hours for the sharks to find you.  I am talking about a ton of blood in the water.  The seal  and seal lion are smarter.  Just like up here with salmon boats the just sit and wait.

I do bleed my salmon and rockcod (Lings & Cabbies).  But, keep them on deck and pour water on them.

Only guys that get eaten are the surfers (pretending to be seals).

Ken kickfish
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 12, 2006, 05:25:24 PM

Ken, at least 3 kayaks have been attacked, 2 deaths. I agree that us surfers are the main course tho! but kayaks are on the specialty menu at least.

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: kickfish on December 12, 2006, 05:36:54 PM
If you look at the dead people.  I think they were diving off the yaks and looking like seals.  The Great White takes your head off first and then asked ?.

Ken kickfish
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ScottThornley on December 12, 2006, 08:38:24 PM

Ken, at least 3 kayaks have been attacked, 2 deaths. I agree that us surfers are the main course tho! but kayaks are on the specialty menu at least.

J

John,

Where are you getting that information? Please document.  I'm only aware of 2 attacks on kayaks here in Northern California. No injuries to either party. Both occured in the mid-90's. Both were members of BASK.  And of course, both were paddling short boats for that extra seal-look-alike silhouette.

Scott
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 12, 2006, 08:49:12 PM
From (a pretty decent but not infallible) memory 2 attacks in N. cal. jenner and ano. no dead.

1 attack in malibu. 2 dead. well, one confirmed and one missing.  that is so cal true, but so what?

it's a kayak, it's a shark.

and actually there is the 1995 attack on the woman from sacrmento that occurred in la jolla. (right?)

wait a second... there is another non-fatal nor kal attack.

bottom line, death, kayaks and sharks. it happens.

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ScottThornley on December 13, 2006, 12:07:15 AM
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it's a kayak, it's a shark.

So in that case, why not include incidents in Texas and Florida. Or international attacks for that matter? How about that really disturbing recent incident in NZ? That's the one that bugs me the most. Of course, the worst that happened to the kayaker there was that he literally shat himself. And is really nervous when on the water...

A more realistic bottom line: death, kayakers, car accidents. statistically, it happens a lot more often than fatal shark attacks.

Regards,
Scott "friends don't let friends paddle chumboats" Thornley

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 13, 2006, 10:16:39 AM

I would include So-cal because the exact same shark that nails somebody there could nail somebody up here.

Now, including texas and florida seems a little absurd?

scott, this is the GWS thread, not the car wreck thread!

I sense denial...    :smt005
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ScottThornley on December 13, 2006, 11:20:58 AM
John,

There is evidence that the Great White Shark will migrate thousands of miles:

http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2002/january9/sharks-19.html

So forget TX and FL, but you should include Hawaiian and Central American attacks don't you think? Perhaps the whole of the Pacific? I'd not be astonished to find that A GWS made it from California to Australia, or vice versa.

You sense denial, I sense an inflated sense of risk. There are a total of 6 California attacks since kayakers took to the waters off of California. There are how many millons of kayaker hours in the ocean in that period?

On an emotional level the GW is scary, formidible, awesome even. But statistically they are inconsequential. Paddle a long kayak, don't leave a big scent trail, don't worry about the Landlord.


Regards,
Scott
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 13, 2006, 05:04:24 PM

Hey Ken didn't even know about the existing attacks. so his sense of risk might have been a little low. good thing he got that 16 foot boat!

I did see that about the travelling gw, from australia to south africa, but that's not texas to california,  :smt002

I'm sensing backpedalling denial now,  :smt003. And I am sensing blood,  :smt004.

I like to paddle a big kayak with lures while my companion uses a shorter kayak and bait. and I like to worry, I find it is one of my core competencies!

last two times out at BH I was solo, I was worrying a little but it made it more fun. was that just a wind wave cresting or did I just see
a big fat fin?  :smt009  :smt005

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on December 14, 2006, 08:50:37 AM
....let's just be thankful that GW's are not pack hunters (correct me if I'm wrong here) like Orcas, Wolves and Stripers  :smt010 Imagine going out to Bean Hollow on a nice flat day with your buddies....catching Lings, Halibut and assorted rockfish  :smt007 And then an hour later, you find yourselves surrounded by a pack of hungry GW's. The GW's are now "hearding" you and you friends out further into deeper water  :smt118.......

....now you'll feel what's it like to be a minnow in Lake Mendocino  :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on December 14, 2006, 09:02:47 AM
....let's just be thankful that GW's are not pack hunters (correct me if I'm wrong here)

There's only been one account on video that I know of. Here's the link: http://www.surfermag.com/av/shrkatt/
This guy is so lucky to walk away from this one! Not just one but two pissed GW's.

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: littoral on December 14, 2006, 09:51:20 AM
....let's just be thankful that GW's are not pack hunters

I remember seeing a Discovery Channel program a few years ago that followed local group of pack hunting GW's in the South Pacific...Scared the bejesus out of me.

I think this is it at the bottom of the page (http://www.discovery.com/stories/nature/sharkweek2000/tunein.html)

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: swellrider on December 14, 2006, 09:52:01 AM
There is some live footage of a GWS attack on a woman swimming back to her vessel out in the deep ocean. They were college students out doing research in the deep and went for a swim. It's gruesome and will give you a major case of the heeby jeebies. The girl getting her legs chompped is not as terrifying as the blood curdling screams from the women standing next to guy filming. I don't remember where I saw it, maybe Disc Channel "Shark Week", or "Faces of Death"


Goosebumps just thinking about it!!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on December 14, 2006, 11:41:06 AM
I think this is it at the bottom of the page (http://www.discovery.com/stories/nature/sharkweek2000/tunein.html)

yep:

Wolves of the Sea: White Sharks

In the South Pacific Ocean lie the Chatham Islands, home to the great white shark. Thought to be lone hunters, great whites here are challenging convention: A pattern of local attacks suggests that the sharks are living and hunting in packs like wolves, a potential sign of an elaborate social structure and advanced intelligence. Wolves of the Sea: White Shark follows scientists and local divers as they investigate an apparent pack of mature males and try to uncover the true nature of the great white shark.

I wanna see ths show!!!!

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on December 14, 2006, 01:02:30 PM
great......just what we need :smt011 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 14, 2006, 01:48:42 PM

Z, I heard those two were not GWS, they were something else. bull or zambezi? I have a friend that has lived in SA and still goes there a lot
and had something to say about that clip.

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on December 14, 2006, 02:48:47 PM
Z, I heard those two were not GWS, they were something else. bull or zambezi? I have a friend that has lived in SA and still goes there a lot
and had something to say about that clip.
J

A "Zambezi shark" is a SA colloquial word for a bull. From what I can see it's definitely not a bull as they don't really get that big. A pregnant female would max out at about 11 feet. But obviosly she wouldn't be on the ferocious side. Guessing just by the size of their heads I'd say these two are about 14 feet+. Bulls are also very rare for SA, the water is a bit too cold for them. Also they are very soiltary sharks and an attack like this would be groundbreaking. There's more things but I digress.

I'd lke to hear what your buddy has to say though.. I'm a freakn shark geek... I know  :downtown:
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Usagi on December 14, 2006, 07:22:56 PM
There is some live footage of a GWS attack on a woman swimming back to her vessel out in the deep ocean. They were college students out doing research in the deep and went for a swim. It's gruesome and will give you a major case of the heeby jeebies. The girl getting her legs chompped is not as terrifying as the blood curdling screams from the women standing next to guy filming. I don't remember where I saw it, maybe Disc Channel "Shark Week", or "Faces of Death"


Goosebumps just thinking about it!!

When in doubt, check YouTube...

(caution, unedited language)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS8t28qI20I

As frightening as that video was, this one is much worse.  I may get nightmares tonight.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5xlgEoYhIg

 ;)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: promethean_spark on January 23, 2007, 09:23:50 AM
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=scienceNews&storyid=2007-01-23T154238Z_01_SYD119859_RTRUKOC_0_US-AUSTRALIA-SHARK.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

Who turned off the lights?  Ow, Ow, Ow....
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on July 25, 2007, 11:45:16 AM

Well, looks like it's official, Bill takes me and Mooch out to Lunch:

http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=9174.0

Shark attack on kayak at Bean Hollow.

Bill since Onos is gone, where you taking us? Mooch, how does Thresher steaks sound?  :smt002.

I could go for sushi tho...  :smt007

John.

And what about moving this thread out of the basement of Fish Talk? It's one step above the political forum...  :smt011.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bsteves on July 25, 2007, 11:50:07 AM
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And what about moving this thread out of the basement of Fish Talk? It's one step above the political forum...  .

Thanks John!  Get over it, you're talking about a fish.  Just be thankful you get your "sticky" and that the thread is right at the top of Fish Talk.

Seriously, I'm I the only one that views "all unread posts" in which case which forum something is in doesn't really matter.

Enjoy your lunch!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bill on July 25, 2007, 12:01:37 PM
John I am a man of my word, you pick.

We should at least invite Dan as well.

We will keep it secret though, like your launch spots  :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Rock Hopper on July 25, 2007, 02:33:21 PM
There is some live footage of a GWS attack on a woman swimming back to her vessel out in the deep ocean. They were college students out doing research in the deep and went for a swim. It's gruesome and will give you a major case of the heeby jeebies. The girl getting her legs chompped is not as terrifying as the blood curdling screams from the women standing next to guy filming. I don't remember where I saw it, maybe Disc Channel "Shark Week", or "Faces of Death"


Goosebumps just thinking about it!!

That was Discovery Channel's "Anatomy of a Sharkbite".

BTW - I just bought the whole Shark Week series for $20 at Best Buy.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on July 25, 2007, 02:52:40 PM
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Well, looks like it's official, Bill takes me and Mooch out to Lunch:

http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=9174.0

Shark attack on kayak at Bean Hollow.

Bill since Onos is gone, where you taking us? Mooch, how does Thresher steaks sound?  .

I could go for sushi tho...  

John.


Sushi Monster in Belmont or Aya Sushi in San Carlos  :smt002

other option: Fish Market in Palo Alto  :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on July 25, 2007, 02:54:35 PM
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BTW - I just bought the whole Shark Week series for $20 at Best Buy.

cool....bring it with ya at elk :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on July 25, 2007, 03:39:57 PM
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BTW - I just bought the whole Shark Week series for $20 at Best Buy.

cool....bring it with ya at elk :smt002

Talk about ghost stories around the campfire.. :smt005
I predict fewer people will be out the next day.  :smt064

Z
Title: Close encounter for paddle boarders at Malibu.
Post by: ark on July 27, 2007, 07:11:02 AM
Mr. White is becoming more of a pest. (I don't mean you sean :)).

http://surfermag.com/features/onlineexclusives/gwspaddlerace07/index.html (http://surfermag.com/features/onlineexclusives/gwspaddlerace07/index.html)
Title: Re: Close encounter for paddle boarders at Malibu.
Post by: jmairey on July 27, 2007, 09:12:24 AM

put these in the GWS thread. the one that should be in general talk but is in fish talk.

let's have all these things together.

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bill on July 27, 2007, 09:24:53 AM
Oh how I love good moderation.  :smt003

Topics merged.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ark on July 27, 2007, 09:33:42 AM
Thanks Bill.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on July 29, 2007, 05:43:41 PM
....let's just be thankful that GW's are not pack hunters (correct me if I'm wrong here)

There's only been one account on video that I know of. Here's the link: http://www.surfermag.com/av/shrkatt/ (http://www.surfermag.com/av/shrkatt/)
This guy is so lucky to walk away from this one! Not just one but two pissed GW's.

Z

I've heard conflicting stories that these are bull sharks or zambezi sharks, not GWS.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on July 29, 2007, 05:45:29 PM
Don't like humans as food eh? Well, all I can say then is they are trying pretty hard to develop an acquired taste for it :smt009

I think they're more along the lines of kicking ass than eating. If they wanted to eat us they easily could. They're constantly givin' that one haymaker and then splittin' from the scene.  :smt093  think the title of the landlord says it all..  :wink:

Z

the attack and spit is considered a way to kill and not stick around to be bitten by the dying seal.

they usually come back to feed.

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on July 29, 2007, 05:49:48 PM
Quote
Well, looks like it's official, Bill takes me and Mooch out to Lunch:

http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=9174.0

Shark attack on kayak at Bean Hollow.

Bill since Onos is gone, where you taking us? Mooch, how does Thresher steaks sound?  .

I could go for sushi tho... 

John.



felt very sharky,  :smt002


Sushi Monster in Belmont or Aya Sushi in San Carlos  :smt002

other option: Fish Market in Palo Alto  :smt002

I had a free lunch @ the fish market recently. some lawyers (land-sharks) bought it for me...

got a trend going here!

Sushi sounds good, but I'd prefer something more south bay. But if mooch is there,
I'd hate to have Bill missing his next two mortgage payments...  :smt003. maybe we better
do in-n-out,  :smt011

Bill, I'll let it all settle down a bit and call you soon!  :smt001.

How about a slice or two of allen's salmon shark?

John
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on July 29, 2007, 05:54:33 PM
Quote
And what about moving this thread out of the basement of Fish Talk? It's one step above the political forum...  .

Thanks John!  Get over it, you're talking about a fish.  Just be thankful you get your "sticky" and that the thread is right at the top of Fish Talk.

Seriously, I'm I the only one that views "all unread posts" in which case which forum something is in doesn't really matter.

Enjoy your lunch!

 :smt003

Fish talk is my second favorite forum. right after the political one. That's a sure sign it'll never be mainstream!

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bill on July 29, 2007, 10:03:06 PM
Don't be shy John I will pay up.

We could always do L&L Hawaiian but really it is up to you guys.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on July 30, 2007, 09:26:16 AM
I was watching the first episode of Shark Week last night and saw some video footage of a GWS that was stalking a seal (that was swimming on the surface) from the deep...and all of a sudden it just takes off from the bottom and knocks the seal out of the water. This attack happened only in a matter of seconds, so I'm wondering if the Shark Shield would actually stop a full bore charge like this???
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: kickfish on July 30, 2007, 09:46:59 AM
Just have a knife tape to your body.  The shark will hit the Yak first.  You will be in the water...away from the yak.  I think anything that you do not have with you....does not matter.   Yes, I was a boy scout....Be Prepare!!!
 
And, I don't care it indangered or not.  I won't be it next meal without a fight.

Ken kickfish
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: swellrider on July 30, 2007, 01:47:17 PM
Amen!! I'm with kickfish
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on July 30, 2007, 02:09:26 PM
....let's just be thankful that GW's are not pack hunters (correct me if I'm wrong here)

There's only been one account on video that I know of. Here's the link: http://www.surfermag.com/av/shrkatt/ (http://www.surfermag.com/av/shrkatt/)
This guy is so lucky to walk away from this one! Not just one but two pissed GW's.

Z

I've heard conflicting stories that these are bull sharks or zambezi sharks, not GWS.

Like I said earlier the Zambezie, or Bull sharks, just don't grow to be that big. From what we can see in that video they look to be in the 12'+ range I'd think. Sound right? Bull sharks run about 8' maxing out at 11' for the largest females (http://marinebio.org/species.asp?id=83). Also if you look at the coloring of the shark I think you'll see some big differences. While the bull is grey on top with a long gradiation of color change to their white bellies the GWS has a very distinct immediate color change from the grey on it's back to white of it's belly. I think if you look closely at the video this really pops out.
(http://marinebio.org/upload/Carcharhinus_leucas.jpg)
(http://www.aasharks.com/types-of-sharks/shark-pictures/great-white-shark-picture-01.jpg)
Especially I'd look at the size of the fins. GWS fins are very stocky and wide while a bull's are much more tapered.

Again, I'm not claiming to be an expert but that's how I see it.

Z


 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on July 30, 2007, 02:27:19 PM
Don't like humans as food eh? Well, all I can say then is they are trying pretty hard to develop an acquired taste for it :smt009

I think they're more along the lines of kicking ass than eating. If they wanted to eat us they easily could. They're constantly givin' that one haymaker and then splittin' from the scene.  :smt093  think the title of the landlord says it all..  :wink:

Z

the attack and spit is considered a way to kill and not stick around to be bitten by the dying seal.

they usually come back to feed.

J

Yeah, that is a good point and maybe they are waiting for the animal they just hit to die. They also could be really confused because they most likely thought they hit a big seal and are waiting for the gushes of blood. After they hit something and there's just a teeny bit of blood if any they must be down there wondering WTF just happened?

But then again why would it be so strange to be territorial about a beach that they'll frequent for a few summer months that holds some of the best food stores on the California coast? Wouldn't it be normal for the more dominant ones to knock any intruders out?

Z


Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on July 30, 2007, 05:13:50 PM
Don't like humans as food eh? Well, all I can say then is they are trying pretty hard to develop an acquired taste for it :smt009

I think they're more along the lines of kicking ass than eating. If they wanted to eat us they easily could. They're constantly givin' that one haymaker and then splittin' from the scene.  :smt093  think the title of the landlord says it all..  :wink:

Z

the attack and spit is considered a way to kill and not stick around to be bitten by the dying seal.

they usually come back to feed.

J

Yeah, that is a good point and maybe they are waiting for the animal they just hit to die. They also could be really confused because they most likely thought they hit a big seal and are waiting for the gushes of blood. After they hit something and there's just a teeny bit of blood if any they must be down there wondering WTF just happened?

But then again why would it be so strange to be territorial about a beach that they'll frequent for a few summer months that holds some of the best food stores on the California coast? Wouldn't it be normal for the more dominant ones to knock any intruders out?

Z




It might be 'normal' for many animals to be territoral or have the whole dominance ladder thing but I think GWS travel too much to be very territorial and they would certainly have a bunch of displays first to see if fighting was even necessary.

animals don't go around cold-cocking each other in general. they do a lot of chest-bumping etc to see who should back down rather than just whupping up on each other. marmot posted some content that showed what GWS generally do, swim side by side etc. They can figure out who is bigger without having to go to territorial fighting right off.

They have tens to hundreds of GWS at the farrallons at one time, and they don't seem to fight with each other that we know.

It is all speculation, but I don't think territory had much to do with it unless the shark is actually feeding. then it's more about defending the carcass, not the geographic location.

It was either a curiosity-inspired taste-test or it was a real prey-attack, imo.

The key we need from Dan is whether he just kind of fell out while the shark was taste-testing or whether it knocked him out in a solid collision.

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: dans964 on July 30, 2007, 06:51:04 PM
Don't like humans as food eh? Well, all I can say then is they are trying pretty hard to develop an acquired taste for it :smt009

I think they're more along the lines of kicking ass than eating. If they wanted to eat us they easily could. They're constantly givin' that one haymaker and then splittin' from the scene.  :smt093  think the title of the landlord says it all..  :wink:

Z

the attack and spit is considered a way to kill and not stick around to be bitten by the dying seal.

they usually come back to feed.

J

Yeah, that is a good point and maybe they are waiting for the animal they just hit to die. They also could be really confused because they most likely thought they hit a big seal and are waiting for the gushes of blood. After they hit something and there's just a teeny bit of blood if any they must be down there wondering WTF just happened?

But then again why would it be so strange to be territorial about a beach that they'll frequent for a few summer months that holds some of the best food stores on the California coast? Wouldn't it be normal for the more dominant ones to knock any intruders out?

Z




It might be 'normal' for many animals to be territoral or have the whole dominance ladder thing but I think GWS travel too much to be very territorial and they would certainly have a bunch of displays first to see if fighting was even necessary.

animals don't go around cold-cocking each other in general. they do a lot of chest-bumping etc to see who should back down rather than just whupping up on each other. marmot posted some content that showed what GWS generally do, swim side by side etc. They can figure out who is bigger without having to go to territorial fighting right off.

They have tens to hundreds of GWS at the farrallons at one time, and they don't seem to fight with each other that we know.

It is all speculation, but I don't think territory had much to do with it unless the shark is actually feeding. then it's more about defending the carcass, not the geographic location.

It was either a curiosity-inspired taste-test or it was a real prey-attack, imo.

The key we need from Dan is whether he just kind of fell out while the shark was taste-testing or whether it knocked him out in a solid collision.

J
It was a hard hit, I was thrown out of the yak out the back, port side. My first thought was a large boat hit me, but I didn't see or here anything coming. It also dislodged my seat, two fairly tight pegs. I don't know if it was an attack or taste test when I got back to the yak and started to climb back on I saw him still attached to the other side. Dan
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on July 30, 2007, 07:04:27 PM
Quote
It might be 'normal' for many animals to be territoral or have the whole dominance ladder thing but I think GWS travel too much to be very territorial and they would certainly have a bunch of displays first to see if fighting was even necessary.

animals don't go around cold-cocking each other in general. they do a lot of chest-bumping etc to see who should back down rather than just whupping up on each other. marmot posted some content that showed what GWS generally do, swim side by side etc. They can figure out who is bigger without having to go to territorial fighting right off.

They have tens to hundreds of GWS at the farrallons at one time, and they don't seem to fight with each other that we know.

It is all speculation, but I don't think territory had much to do with it unless the shark is actually feeding. then it's more about defending the carcass, not the geographic location.

It was either a curiosity-inspired taste-test or it was a real prey-attack, imo.

The key we need from Dan is whether he just kind of fell out while the shark was taste-testing or whether it knocked him out in a solid collision.

J

There's a lot of reports of sharks biting animals and not consuming. There's otters, penguins, and even seals that have been left.

"It may be a case of mistaken identity or it may be investigatory or territorial behavior," said DFG's shark expert Dr. Robert Lea. http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mrd/whiteshark.html (http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mrd/whiteshark.html)

"Consider the example of White Sharks biting but not swallowing Sea Otters"
Consider the example of White Sharks biting but not swallowing Sea Otters  (http://Consider the example of White Sharks biting but not swallowing Sea Otters)

You are right, they do size each other up and understand what another GWS and there's a full on hierarchy but I'm saying anything else that's not a GWS that is on it's turf is in danger. Wouldn't it be feasible that's why a shark would kill/wound and not eat?

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on July 30, 2007, 07:06:29 PM
It was a hard hit, I was thrown out of the yak out the back, port side. My first thought was a large boat hit me, but I didn't see or here anything coming. It also dislodged my seat, two fairly tight pegs. I don't know if it was an attack or taste test when I got back to the yak and started to climb back on I saw him still attached to the other side. Dan

Thanks for the first hand account Dan! That impact must have been unbelievable.

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: dans964 on July 30, 2007, 08:56:38 PM
Z, Andre must be really happy! Great white shark: uncaged
shark week on discovery channel now.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on July 30, 2007, 10:38:35 PM
Z, Andre must be really happy! Great white shark: uncaged
shark week on discovery channel now.

Andre Hartman is a really special person to be able to do that.. along with being a bit nutty. :smt004 Thanks for the heads up!

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: potto on July 31, 2007, 07:15:46 AM
Last week at the 16th Annual Call to the Wall paddling surfing competition from Zuma beach to the Malibu Pier a local surfer was "repeatedly and aggressively" bumped on his paddle board and followed by a 12-foot Great White Shark for 20 minutes! The longtime Malibu resident and surfer credits Malibu lifeguard, Joe Everett, with saving his life from the Great White Shark. Read the story in the July 26, 2007 "Malibu Times."
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Great white shark joins Call to the Wall

Friday, July 27, 2007
Lifeguard Joe Everett, left, came to the aid of Vic Calandra as he was being followed, and bumped repeatedly, by a great white shark during a paddle race from Zuma Beach to the Malibu Pier on Sunday. Calandra credits Everett with saving his life.
A local surfer encounters a great white shark during a paddle race from Zuma Beach to Malibu Pier on Sunday.

The 16th Annual Call to the Wall surfing competition was enlivened with a shark encounter this year. During the Tommy Zahn Memorial Paddle Race, local surfer Vic Calandra had a run in with an approximately 10- to 12-foot long great white shark.

"Vic came in shaking," William Buckley, Call to the Wall competition coordinator, said. "He told us that a shark had bumped his board aggressively and followed him for twenty minutes."

Calandra, a Malibu resident and longtime surfer, said he was going neck and neck for third place out of 15 to 20 stand-up paddle board racers and was about a mile and a half off the coast from the beach at the beginning of Old Malibu Road when he heard something break the surface of the water behind him.

Looking back, he saw a partial fin about 20 feet behind him. At first Calandra thought it was a dolphin, but then the fin "continued to come out of the water"-the fin was 18 to 24 inches tall, he said.

Calandra said he veered to the right so he could keep an eye on it, but the shark stayed with him, and then it made a wide sweep coming closer, and then it made another sweep until it was only three feet away. Calandra said he swung his paddle to strike the shark and "it came up and brushed the back of my board, and then came up on the side of me and showed its underbelly-I could see it was great white."

Calandra estimated the shark to be 12 feet long and about three and a half feet wide (the surfer's paddle board is 18 feet long).

The shark started making quick turns, coming to Calandra's side each time, and he would drop to his knees and strike it with his oar, trying to "keep a distance between the predator and me."

Each time he hit the shark with the paddle, Calandra said, it would go underneath his board. It happened about five or six times, he said, and "I knew I was going to get struck at that point."

But he found a compatriot in Joe Everett, a lifeguard with the L.A. County Fire Department, assigned to the lifeguard station at Zuma Beach and who was a participant in Sunday's 10-mile-long paddle race between Zuma and the Malibu Pier.

"About an hour an a half into the race, I heard someone on a board about 800 yards offshore yelling, 'Shark!'" Everett said. "I headed out, thinking it was just a sighting, but as I got closer to Vic, I saw the dorsal fin following right behind him. I decided I wasn't a race participant anymore, but a lifeguard."

As Everett was paddling toward Calandra, the shark hit Calandra's board again and he got on his knees to strike it again with his paddle. Meanwhile, as Everett was coming to his aid, he was slapping the water to divert the shark's attention. Everett quickly aimed the tip of his 18-foot-long board at the shark's head to try and deter it.

"The shark kept bumping Vic's board and he looked like a circus high wire act trying to keep his balance," he said.

The two men positioned their boards close together, sitting back to back to see where the shark would be coming from next, and hit its back and fins whenever it came close. "We knew it was going to hit one of us," Calandra said, so they determined to reach one of two boats that were nearby. They started paddling, following each other carefully toward a fishing boat that was about 200 yards away, beating their oars in the water whenever the shark came near to deflect it.

When they reached the boat, Everett quickly climbed in and contacted the lifeguard station, which sent out guards on jet skis to round up all race participants and hurry them to the finish line.

"Our station boat was out there to monitor the race, but they were off at Latigo at the time the shark came, so they didn't see the incident," Everett said. "It was my first encounter with a shark." And he said he hopes it will be his last.

And Calandra, "for some reason," said he stayed on his paddle board and went on to warn the other racers. "I wasn't thinking clearly," Calandra said in retrospect. "Not at all."

Some Malibu residents question whether the shark pen monitored by Monterey Bay Aquarium's White Shark Research Project drew shark populations to the area. Monterey Bay Aquarium has been overseeing the research project from a location about a mile and a half offshore from Malibu's coast for seven years now.

"That trawler connected to the shark pen off Corral Beach is parked there every year," local resident Mike Gardner said. "If they're chumming to attract sharks, wouldn't that present a danger to people swimming here?"

Captain Terry Harvey, personnel information officer for the Malibu lifeguard stations, said he himself met up with sharks during long-distance paddles.

"The lifeguard division supports oceanic research so we don't really take a stand on the Monterey Bay trawler," he said. "The shark pen is a good ways offshore and if it really presented a danger to all the swimmers at Corral Beach, we'd be hearing about a lot more shark sightings."

As to the sharks, Harvey said, "It's their environment, after all."

The great white shark, while terrifying to a "Jaws"-familiar public, is now an endangered species due to over-fishing and the prices its jaws and teeth can fetch commercially.

Up until the age of one year, great whites feed only on fish. But as they get older, their diet switches to marine mammals.

"So, at 10-feet long, our shark was still young, but beginning to acquire a taste for blood," Everett said.

"These are very beautiful, complex animals," John O'Sullivan, curator for field operations for the Monterey Bay Aquarium, said.

O'Sullivan has managed the Shark Research Project for the aquarium since its inception seven years ago and said researchers work hard to strike a balance between the need for research and the sensitivities of human ocean occupants.

"If you're concerned about species' survival, you need to study young sharks as well as adults," he said. "We hope to capture young great whites to tag and release. This means we need to be close enough to areas where the animals are found, but far enough away from harbors to not bother residents. We don't want to be attractive nuisances.

"I can assure you that the seals feeding on anchovies around the surf break present a lot more attraction for sharks than our research pen."

O'Sullivan said the Monterey Bay Aquarium would be happy to stage seminars or town halls in Malibu to address any concerns or fears residents might have. "Part of ocean advocacy is to educate the public," he said.

As for his first up close experience with a great white, Calandra said, "I never felt so small in the food chain. I was definitely low in the chain at that point."

Even with the shark diversion, Calandra came in 4th place in the paddle board race competition
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on July 31, 2007, 12:42:21 PM

It was a hard hit, I was thrown out of the yak out the back, port side. My first thought was a large boat hit me, but I didn't see or here anything coming. It also dislodged my seat, two fairly tight pegs. I don't know if it was an attack or taste test when I got back to the yak and started to climb back on I saw him still attached to the other side. Dan


Dan, thanks, I guess if you were thrown out port and back, it must have hit starboard and toward the bow. then it stuck around for a nibble or two. With that hard a hit, seems like it was some sort of prey hit, it didn't bother trying to scare you off first. Or possibly it did, but you were too busy retying your lure,  :smt002.

I feel a curiosity inspired taste test would be more gentle. of course since he outweighs you and your boat by a factor of 10, its 'gentle' might still dump you, but sounds like you were soundly ejected in a MASS*VELOCITY transfer of momentum.

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on July 31, 2007, 12:45:49 PM


There's a lot of reports of sharks biting animals and not consuming. There's otters, penguins, and even seals that have been left.

"It may be a case of mistaken identity or it may be investigatory or territorial behavior," said DFG's shark expert Dr. Robert Lea. http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mrd/whiteshark.html (http://www.dfg.ca.gov/mrd/whiteshark.html)

"Consider the example of White Sharks biting but not swallowing Sea Otters"
Consider the example of White Sharks biting but not swallowing Sea Otters  (http://Consider the example of White Sharks biting but not swallowing Sea Otters)

You are right, they do size each other up and understand what another GWS and there's a full on hierarchy but I'm saying anything else that's not a GWS that is on it's turf is in danger. Wouldn't it be feasible that's why a shark would kill/wound and not eat?

Z


Z, I think they hit some things and decide they are not blubbery enough to be worth the danger/effort of eating.

a sea otter has no blubber, not like the corn dog that is an elephant seal!

So from the bottom, they see a silhouette, they nail it, and in the bite they can tell "chewy", or "crunchy".

"crunchy" gets left for the seagulls and the shark goes in search of "chewy" (a nice blubber encased seal).

Good thing our kayaks are "crunchy".

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on July 31, 2007, 02:04:48 PM
I'm wondering if Dan was "stalked" by the GWS before he got hit. According to "Shark Week - Episode1"...Sharks will follow a pray, then it will suddenly rush to it with a kill shot.

Dan, do you recall how long you were "stationary" before you got hit?

How long was the shark actually "chewing" your kayak? Say....10 to 20 seconds before it released itself and swam away?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: dans964 on July 31, 2007, 04:17:13 PM
I was cruising along watching the fish finder, no line in the water, marked some fish and structure decided to stop  thought I change the lour and had just finished and was reaching back for the rod and got slammed, never saw him till I started to get back on. So he could have been stalking me but I wasn't looking and after being stopped for a minute or two he may have thought that was the best time to attack. He held on till I was all the way back in the boat (witch didn't take long) nice of him to keep it upright so I could get back on. Dan
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Frankfishing on July 31, 2007, 04:28:02 PM
Good to hear you amonst us Dan...literally. Do you have any estimate as to how far in the air you were thrown?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on July 31, 2007, 04:28:52 PM
Thanks for the info. Dan  :smt023  IMO: Your first hand account of the attack is truly worth sharing with the rest of the WORLD. In every survival situation...the survivor becomes a great teacher and mentor to all.

Again, I'd like to thank you for stepping forward and answering a few questions....I'll have a Diet Coke for ya on our next fishing trip together :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: dans964 on July 31, 2007, 04:51:56 PM
Good to hear you amonst us Dan...literally. Do you have any estimate as to how far in the air you were thrown?
No, happend to fast and was thinking what the f%&k hit me? I did have to swim a few strokes back to the boat and didn't see anything untill I pulled myself back on to the side of the boat.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on July 31, 2007, 05:45:15 PM
Good to hear you amonst us Dan...literally. Do you have any estimate as to how far in the air you were thrown?
No, happend to fast and was thinking what the f%&k hit me? I did have to swim a few strokes back to the boat and didn't see anything untill I pulled myself back on to the side of the boat.

Wow. sounds like a pretty good prey hit. no damage to your back or anything tho?

Mooch, those sharks don't have to breathe,  :smt002, they can stalk from 50 feet down.
and the whole idea of stalking is that your prey doesn't see you,  :smt004.

So Dan, do you feel that the stop-and-go retrieve works the best?  :smt003. sounds like you paused
with maybe a couple twitches to fool him?

Also, I've seen the pics posted by fishhunter and it looks like some of those teeth marks went right through the hull.
Is that accurate? Do you think you would have sunk if you were 3 or 4 miles off shore?

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Frankfishing on July 31, 2007, 06:08:00 PM

[/quote]No, happend to fast and was thinking what the f%&k hit me? I did have to swim a few strokes back to the boat and didn't see anything untill I pulled myself back on to the side of the boat.
[/quote]

What a sight that must have been...Glad to hear the soreness is gone and that we'll be sharing some time togeather this weekend. It will be good seeing you. Love this sport, Frankfishing
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: dans964 on July 31, 2007, 06:58:48 PM
See, this is why I wanted to remain The Lurker, a reader not a writer, barely computer literate and a slow typer. I will try to answer some direct questions. No, but I couldn't lift my arms the next day after three really quick re entry's, trying to fix my seat the last two times. Yes :smt003 Yes :smt003 Yes, there was one hole right in the bottom of the V and three slices, mostly above the water line. No, maybe, when I got back to shore there was only maybe a couple gallons of water in there. Did I do the emoticons right? Dan
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: dans964 on July 31, 2007, 07:52:48 PM
Thanks for the info. Dan  :smt023  IMO: Your first hand account of the attack is truly worth sharing with the rest of the WORLD. In every survival situation...the survivor becomes a great teacher and mentor to all.

Again, I'd like to thank you for stepping forward and answering a few questions....I'll have a Diet Coke for ya on our next fishing trip together :smt002
Mooch, I have a few pages written down on paper, when and if I finish I'll give it to you to post, I type slooooow. :smt003. I bring the Diet Coke for you..Bring me a beer! Dan
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on July 31, 2007, 08:41:18 PM
Thanks for the info. Dan  :smt023  IMO: Your first hand account of the attack is truly worth sharing with the rest of the WORLD. In every survival situation...the survivor becomes a great teacher and mentor to all.

Again, I'd like to thank you for stepping forward and answering a few questions....I'll have a Diet Coke for ya on our next fishing trip together :smt002
Mooch, I have a few pages written down on paper, when and if I finish I'll give it to you to post, I type slooooow. :smt003. I bring the Diet Coke for you..Bring me a beer! Dan

dan, you can do it!  :smt003.  nothing like practice for those typing skillz. you are doing great!

if it comes through anybody else, it'll always be suspect to the whims of interpretation. you'll see what I mean.

you'll read something and it won't be quite what you said.

you want something done right like telling about the experience of a lifetime, do it yourself, you'll be happier in the end!

let's hear/read it direct, we'll make it up to you!

Mooch, if you do get those pages, I highly suggest a digi-cam shot of the pages and post them up, rather than type them in for the extra dose of believability.

the other option is a voice recording and somebody could make an mp3 file. or a video. How about come to lunch with me and Mooch and Bill (I'll pay for yours since you "bought" me mine and we'll make a video).

with the sinking thing, I think it speeds up. more water means more holes under water means more water means... you get the idea! But we'll have to get thornley and marmot to paddle out and punch holes in each other's kayaks to measure sinking speed properly,  :smt005

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on July 31, 2007, 08:53:19 PM
I did the fancy BB stuff and put my questions with Dan's answers right after... for you speed readers...  :smt002

Quote from: jmairey
Wow. sounds like a pretty good prey hit. no damage to your back or anything tho?

Quote from: dans964
No, but I couldn't lift my arms the next day after three really quick re entry's, trying to fix my seat the last two times.

Quote from: jmairey
So Dan, do you feel that the stop-and-go retrieve works the best?  :smt003. sounds like you paused
with maybe a couple twitches to fool him?

Quote from: dans964
Yes :smt003 Yes :smt003

Quote from: jmairey
Also, I've seen the pics posted by fishhunter and it looks like some of those teeth marks went right through the hull.
Is that accurate? Do you think you would have sunk if you were 3 or 4 miles off shore?

Quote from: dans964
Yes, there was one hole right in the bottom of the V and three slices, mostly above the water line. No, maybe, when I got back to shore there was only maybe a couple gallons of water in there.

Dan, hope I got that one right thanks!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on August 01, 2007, 08:23:06 AM
Quote
the other option is a voice recording and somebody could make an mp3 file. or a video. How about come to lunch with me and Mooch and Bill (I'll pay for yours since you "bought" me mine and we'll make a video).

Let's do it!

Quote
Mooch, I have a few pages written down on paper, when and if I finish I'll give it to you to post, I type slooooow. . I bring the Diet Coke for you..Bring me a beer! Dan

Dan, it would be an honor  :salut:

What's your beer of choice?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on August 01, 2007, 09:29:33 AM
Z, I think they hit some things and decide they are not blubbery enough to be worth the danger/effort of eating.

a sea otter has no blubber, not like the corn dog that is an elephant seal!

So from the bottom, they see a silhouette, they nail it, and in the bite they can tell "chewy", or "crunchy".

"crunchy" gets left for the seagulls and the shark goes in search of "chewy" (a nice blubber encased seal).

Good thing our kayaks are "crunchy".

J

I see what you're saying J but I don't agree that because of they size of the prey (penguins and otters). Some of the sharks that are hitting these small animals and leaving them for dead are big sharks. Like we've heard many times and you've said yourself, the GWS will take it's time to check out the prey well before attack; they won't just cold cock anything. If they made the mistake once I'm sure they could look up and recognize that what's up there is a small penguin/otter and not a good food source.

So why do they continue to do this? Is it curiosity, play, or  territorial? I don't know.. but I don't buy they go around chomping on anything that moves and then figure out that they are crunchy and spit them out. I've heard they do make exploratory bites and that their mouths are one of the best ways they can "feel" an object but if they do this it's slow with soft bites and not a balls to the wall Mary Lou Retton aerial back flip. KNow what I mean?

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on August 01, 2007, 11:31:30 AM
Z, I think they hit some things and decide they are not blubbery enough to be worth the danger/effort of eating.

a sea otter has no blubber, not like the corn dog that is an elephant seal!

So from the bottom, they see a silhouette, they nail it, and in the bite they can tell "chewy", or "crunchy".

"crunchy" gets left for the seagulls and the shark goes in search of "chewy" (a nice blubber encased seal).

Good thing our kayaks are "crunchy".

J

I see what you're saying J but I don't agree that because of they size of the prey (penguins and otters). Some of the sharks that are hitting these small animals and leaving them for dead are big sharks. Like we've heard many times and you've said yourself, the GWS will take it's time to check out the prey well before attack; they won't just cold cock anything. If they made the mistake once I'm sure they could look up and recognize that what's up there is a small penguin/otter and not a good food source.

So why do they continue to do this? Is it curiosity, play, or  territorial? I don't know.. but I don't buy they go around chomping on anything that moves and then figure out that they are crunchy and spit them out. I've heard they do make exploratory bites and that their mouths are one of the best ways they can "feel" an object but if they do this it's slow with soft bites and not a balls to the wall Mary Lou Retton aerial back flip. KNow what I mean?

Z

Z, they hit plywood cutouts of seals and small ones at that. So I don't think they always know what they are hitting even if they stalk it carefully.

they don't come back for the cutout of the crunchy plywood seal do they?

so no, I don't know what you mean,  :smt004.

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: justhavinfun on August 02, 2007, 08:27:47 AM
J - After the same shark has hit the towed seal cut out more than once the shark figures out that it is fake and doesn't do it again. There is definitely some recognition and intelligence there.

I have been thinking about this for a couple of days now and since I have yet to see it come up here goes:

We know sharks can pickup very small electrical fields. Does anyone know if Dan had any batteries/battery pack on his kayak? More importantly if he did was it up in the front of his kayak where most of us put them? Might be something to think about anyway given the hard to define nature of the interaction between Dan/Dans kayak and the GWS. Also does anyone have the ability to measure the electric fields being put out by a fully rigged and operational kayak? Remember the first GWS in captivity eventually had to be released because every time it came upon a certain spot in the tank it would slam into it. After the shark was released and the tank drained a low electric field was found in that exact spot, upon further investigation there was a small amount of rust on the structural rebar inside the concrete.

Jeff

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Frankfishing on August 02, 2007, 08:44:39 AM
J - After the same shark has hit the towed seal cut out more than once the shark figures out that it is fake and doesn't do it again. There is definitely some recognition and intelligence there.

I have been thinking about this for a couple of days now and since I have yet to see it come up here goes:

We know sharks can pickup very small electrical fields. Does anyone know if Dan had any batteries/battery pack on his kayak? More importantly if he did was it up in the front of his kayak where most of us put them? Might be something to think about anyway given the hard to define nature of the interaction between Dan/Dans kayak and the GWS. Also does anyone have the ability to measure the electric fields being put out by a fully rigged and operational kayak? Remember the first GWS in captivity eventually had to be released because every time it came upon a certain spot in the tank it would slam into it. After the shark was released and the tank drained a low electric field was found in that exact spot, upon further investigation there was a small amount of rust on the structural rebar inside the concrete.

Jeff


Jeff, If what you are saying is correct than it would behove us to watch where we place our electronics on our kayaks, Especially the battery placement for our FF,GPS, Etc. If I remember correctly Dan placed his in the forward hatch.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on August 02, 2007, 08:54:57 AM
J - After the same shark has hit the towed seal cut out more than once the shark figures out that it is fake and doesn't do it again. There is definitely some recognition and intelligence there.

I have been thinking about this for a couple of days now and since I have yet to see it come up here goes:

We know sharks can pickup very small electrical fields. Does anyone know if Dan had any batteries/battery pack on his kayak? More importantly if he did was it up in the front of his kayak where most of us put them? Might be something to think about anyway given the hard to define nature of the interaction between Dan/Dans kayak and the GWS. Also does anyone have the ability to measure the electric fields being put out by a fully rigged and operational kayak? Remember the first GWS in captivity eventually had to be released because every time it came upon a certain spot in the tank it would slam into it. After the shark was released and the tank drained a low electric field was found in that exact spot, upon further investigation there was a small amount of rust on the structural rebar inside the concrete.

Jeff


Jeff, If what you are saying is correct than it would behove us to watch where we place our electronics on our kayaks, Especially the battery placement for our FF,GPS, Etc. If I remember correctly Dan placed his in the forward hatch.

jeff, I saw that quote about the sharks eventually wising up on the cut-outs, but they said "most" sharks figure it out after a "few hits", so there might be that one stubborn or hungry one out there that doesn't wise, up, but that's a nit. also, do they forget and hit when they are hungry again? who knows?

I like your comment about the battery, that could certainly be why the shark kept nibbling, who knows. On the other hand, anything that kept it munching on the kayak while Dan was swimming around might be a good thing as it seems to never even noticed him.

yeah, red color, attractor fins and electrical field trickery; maybe Dan had quite the lure going there?

I like the idea of a shark shield wired to the FF battery, tho, with a big red 'do not press' button in the cockpit.

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on August 02, 2007, 09:45:51 AM
Z, they hit plywood cutouts of seals and small ones at that. So I don't think they always know what they are hitting even if they stalk it carefully.

they don't come back for the cutout of the crunchy plywood seal do they?

so no, I don't know what you mean,  :smt004.
J

I think we can agree that a small seal (the plywood cutout size) and an otter or penguin are quite different in size. A small seal would still range in the 5-7 foot range while a penguin is barely a foot along and only the largest otters top out at 4. Also, the small seal has got a good sized girth. They look like a fatty morsel no doubt. The otter is long and slim and a penguin is along the lines of a fly compared to a GWS. Why would they continue to go after them if they had hit these small animals before? Are you suggesting that the reason they have stuck around for millions of years is because they are indiscriminate attackers?

On one side I totally agree with you J, sharks do "mouth" their prey to figure what they've got on their hands and spit out a bony unfit prey. But I just can't accept that they would continue to hit such small targets (penguins and otters) over and over and be explained as mistakes.

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on August 02, 2007, 10:00:13 AM
Jeff, If what you are saying is correct than it would behove us to watch where we place our electronics on our kayaks, Especially the battery placement for our FF,GPS, Etc. If I remember correctly Dan placed his in the forward hatch.

Frank, I don't think that you really could place the batteries anywhere the shark couldn't detect it. But maybe you mean put it on the tip of the bow as opposed to right underneath you? That way the attack would be concentrated as far away from you as possible.

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: KZ on August 02, 2007, 10:09:12 AM
Yeah, but there would be an electrical field anywhere the cable is running, not just at the battery.  I just wonder how much electrical signal could be detected through insulated cable and plastic boat.  We're all speculating about this, but it certainly seems plausible that some milli or micro amp electric field could be detected outside the yak.

I think this one needs to go to MythBusters!  Seriously...

EK
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PISCEAN on August 02, 2007, 10:54:16 AM
.. if I recall from other research the sharks don't use the electrical field detectors (ampullae of lorenzini) to necessarily stalk their prey, but they do definitely rely on them at the final moment when they roll their eyes back and are sightless. The elecrical field then lets them know where to bite. In baited situations sharks will often move in toward a bait, but then end up biting the nearby swimstep or transom of the research vessel due to this.
  This kayak FF electrical theory is an interesting one.  I guess we'd need to put two identical yaks in the water, one with operating electronics and one without. This would probably prove as much as the "ham or side of ribs" experiment, but it would be interesting!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on August 02, 2007, 11:00:47 AM
I think this one needs to go to MythBusters!  Seriously...

I second that one! :smt004

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Frankfishing on August 02, 2007, 02:16:05 PM
Jeff, If what you are saying is correct than it would behove us to watch where we place our electronics on our kayaks, Especially the battery placement for our FF,GPS, Etc. If I remember correctly Dan placed his in the forward hatch.

Zackly Z, Just bought the Trident and will mount everything forward of the cockpit. So does the output of the current matter? In other words Radio battery vs. FF 12V? I wonder?

Frank, I don't think that you really could place the batteries anywhere the shark couldn't detect it. But maybe you mean put it on the tip of the bow as opposed to right underneath you? That way the attack would be concentrated as far away from you as possible.

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on August 02, 2007, 07:29:38 PM

Like we've heard many times and you've said yourself, the GWS will take it's time to check out the prey well before attack; they won't just cold cock anything. If they made the mistake once I'm sure they could look up and recognize that what's up there is a small penguin/otter and not a good food source.

Z

Z. pay attention. (did your mom ever express exasperation bringing you up?  :smt005).

they won't cold-cock each other. that does not go for the penguins. or otters. or kayaks. or ab divers. or surfers.

I do think they will take their time stalking, but to avoid detection they may stay further away than they need to for perfect identification.

I think in a feeding mood they'll hit a lot of stuff. incuding penguins, otters, plywood cutouts, kayaks, divers, surfers, etc.

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on August 02, 2007, 07:35:53 PM
Z, they hit plywood cutouts of seals and small ones at that. So I don't think they always know what they are hitting even if they stalk it carefully.

they don't come back for the cutout of the crunchy plywood seal do they?

so no, I don't know what you mean,  :smt004.
J

I think we can agree that a small seal (the plywood cutout size) and an otter or penguin are quite different in size. A small seal would still range in the 5-7 foot range while a penguin is barely a foot along and only the largest otters top out at 4. Also, the small seal has got a good sized girth. They look like a fatty morsel no doubt. The otter is long and slim and a penguin is along the lines of a fly compared to a GWS. Why would they continue to go after them if they had hit these small animals before? Are you suggesting that the reason they have stuck around for millions of years is because they are indiscriminate attackers?

On one side I totally agree with you J, sharks do "mouth" their prey to figure what they've got on their hands and spit out a bony unfit prey. But I just can't accept that they would continue to hit such small targets (penguins and otters) over and over and be explained as mistakes.

Z

Z, are you saying that the 12 foot shark is being territorial with the 4 foot otter? hello! hello? hello!?  :smt105

I've seen 5 foot otters. don't know about the penguins, btw, you have a link or something? right now this is hearsay.

It's prey-driven, imo. and then not worth eating after the hit 'n' spit. it's not territorial.

territorial involves displays and warnings before the hit. prey is hit without warning.

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on August 02, 2007, 07:40:29 PM
.. if I recall from other research the sharks don't use the electrical field detectors (ampullae of lorenzini) to necessarily stalk their prey, but they do definitely rely on them at the final moment when they roll their eyes back and are sightless. The elecrical field then lets them know where to bite. In baited situations sharks will often move in toward a bait, but then end up biting the nearby swimstep or transom of the research vessel due to this.
  This kayak FF electrical theory is an interesting one.  I guess we'd need to put two identical yaks in the water, one with operating electronics and one without. This would probably prove as much as the "ham or side of ribs" experiment, but it would be interesting!

This is what I read from p-spark too.

So sequence is this (imo)

1. shark sees silhouettes of kayaks.

2. the one with the fins that generate vibrations like a seal is selected.

3. it nails it from 40 feet down.

4. hmm. "crunchy", not "chewy".

5. I kind of like this electrical field tho... gives me a nice buzz. maybe I'll taste test a little further.

    5.1 (maybe some bait or fish blood on dan's kayak is at least as interesting as the field, but shark does stay
           at the nose, does not go to tankwell).

6. never notices dan getting back on kayak. not real interested in scrawny rubber coated "otter".

7. swims away to find nice elephant seal to nail.

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: KZ on August 02, 2007, 08:25:03 PM
 :smt044  J... That's classic!!!   :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on August 02, 2007, 11:05:55 PM
Z. pay attention. (did your mom ever express exasperation bringing you up?  :smt005).

Too much fathering J, you ain't my dad. And speaking of exasperating I have a strange feeling your mother knows the same feeling. :smt005

Let's compare the GWS to the rest of the animal kingdom. Name an animal that kills indiscriminately and doesn't eat the prey.

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on August 03, 2007, 09:45:55 AM
Z. pay attention. (did your mom ever express exasperation bringing you up?  :smt005).

Too much fathering J, you ain't my dad. And speaking of exasperating I have a strange feeling your mother knows the same feeling. :smt005

Let's compare the GWS to the rest of the animal kingdom. Name an animal that kills indiscriminately and doesn't eat the prey.

Z

she did once ask me where I got my 'sense of rectitude'. I said, "what's that?". she said, "look it up".  :smt004.

anyway, what is your point? are you going to use bad analogies again to 'prove' your point?  :smt009

I think killing is done if it is easy for the organism. it doesn't really have much to do with anything else.

but sure, I'll pick one. the smallpox virus. I think it killed more humans than anything that has ever lived. 250 million people is one estimate. If that dude http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Henderson had not coralled the last public outbreaks between 1972 in europe and 1977 in somalia, the total would be in the billions now given the number of people on the earth now.

so now you are going to draw a parallel between the GWS and the smallpox virus? be my guest...

One of the things about this thread tho is that we have been able to stay away from hearsay, and at least some facts have been substantiated with links to other knowledge collections on the web, so if you can find a link to the stories of the penguins, post it up, because even tho I am giving you a hard time here Z in the name of Debate and Truth, you have put up some great info here and good ideas and I hope you can forgive me taking off the gloves, it's the only way I know how to play.

right now, unless somebody comes up with something better, I'm happy with my sequence of events above. It is only a theory, we'll only know for sure if we get a large number of similar events (I sure hope not!).

J



Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on August 03, 2007, 04:41:26 PM
OK J, point proven. You're happy with the walls you've built and now and you can't see out. I'm over here still..:smt006 (Am I a glutton for punishment or what?)

My question to you was based on the theory that GWS are territorial. I believe they are just like a dog in it's front yard. Although GWS do travel extensively, when they are in feeding areas there's plenty of other animals around. It's common in the animal kingdom for animals to become territorial in situations like these. Somewhat like a wolfpack that travels. (Packs are nomadic and may range more than 250 miles. During the time when the alpha female has her pups in the den, the pack stays in one place. Other than that time, they are always on the move.) Even though they travel with the seasons, when an intruder comes into it's seasonal territory it's dealt with by posturing or vocally. Since a GWS has no bark and only a bite it uses what it has. Of course curiosity also has something to do with it but curiosity would yield only a very small response.

Some of the scientific community says:
"It is still undetermined whether great whites are territorial; however, current observations indicate they seem to possess a home range."
http://marinebio.org/species.asp?id=38 (http://marinebio.org/species.asp?id=38)

"This suggests that when their personal space is intruded upon, a white shark will give the intruder a warning bite."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_white_shark (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_white_shark)

Now what happened to Dan could have been an all out attack or not. He was ejected from the kayak for sure but this doesn't go to say the shark was in full on attack mode. A 1 ton animal's curious attack on a 160 pound human may feel like a full on attack but when you have nothing to compare it with it's just too hard to judge. I feel if this was a full on attack the shark would have been so enraged he would have taken a piece of the yak with him or at least opened a much larger hole. From Dan's account, it knocked him out and it decided to hang on and chew for a bit. Maybe for the buzz, :smt004 who knows. IMO the GWS was saying "get the f*ck outta here" or "WTF is that doing in my yard??".

Z
"There are no facts just interpretations."
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on August 03, 2007, 04:45:06 PM

we'll just have to agree to disagree on this particular point.  :smt002.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: kickfish on August 11, 2007, 04:02:25 AM
The attack was for all the marbles...sorry Dan. If he had climbs into the Yak 2 or 3 times and the shark it still there trying to take out the head or neck of the Yak.  I really, don't think it's "PLAYIN".  I told you guys that this attack would happen a long time ago.   Just like John (mairey)  Only, problem was it would happen to me. :smt006

John (mairey)....let's just go paddle the "bean" and see who need a diaper change?

Ken kickfish
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ScottThornley on August 14, 2007, 04:09:40 PM
Quote
But we'll have to get thornley and marmot to paddle out and punch holes in each other's kayaks to measure sinking speed properly,  :smt005

I don't think so John. There's no need to, as I've already setup the grey Scupper to do that exact thing. Actually, I mean those plastic welds should be juusstt fine...

Scott



Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on August 21, 2007, 09:39:39 PM

so scott you are saying I should take the noodles out cause they might mess with the sinking experiment,  :smt005.

At spot xj-19, two big sealions did a double take on the grey scupper. I felt bad for scaring them and tossed them each a blue.

J   
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: polepole on August 21, 2007, 09:53:53 PM
At spot xj-19, two big sealions did a double take on the grey scupper. I felt bad for scaring them and tossed them each a blue.

John, why you training those sealions to key in on kayaks?

-Allen
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on August 22, 2007, 10:35:45 AM

I'm just baiting you a bit there polepole.

Here's how it really went down. Sharky area. I was holding two blues in my lap during a hot bite. all adrenalized. woo-hoo, finally a fish every drop. and then the dogs popped up right behind me. two big sub-adult males and we scared all of ourselves to death. Those blues made a run for it while I was turned around. I don't think they got far tho. the dogs took after them like rockets. their acceleration really impressed me. it was cool.

if the dogs got the blues, they got them well away from the kayak and I'm not sure they could correlate the fish to the kayak. In any case, I did not see the dogs again that day.

I fully agree that teaching a 450 lb wild animal that it can get fish from a kayak would be a big no-no.

but of course, there are the rules everyone else, and then there are the rules for me,  :smt002.

Best,
J

P.S. let's get this back to some GWS action!



Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ex-kayaker on August 22, 2007, 01:48:56 PM
The attack was for all the marbles...sorry Dan. If he had climbs into the Yak 2 or 3 times and the shark it still there trying to take out the head or neck of the Yak.  I really, don't think it's "PLAYIN". 


I disagree ken, if the attack was for all the marbles that boat would have been minus a bow not scratched with a minor puncture.   
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Rock Hopper on August 22, 2007, 02:23:12 PM
The attack was for all the marbles...sorry Dan. If he had climbs into the Yak 2 or 3 times and the shark it still there trying to take out the head or neck of the Yak.  I really, don't think it's "PLAYIN". 


I disagree ken, if the attack was for all the marbles that boat would have been minus a bow not scratched with a minor puncture.   

Agreed.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on August 23, 2007, 09:46:50 AM
The attack was for all the marbles...sorry Dan. If he had climbs into the Yak 2 or 3 times and the shark it still there trying to take out the head or neck of the Yak.  I really, don't think it's "PLAYIN". 


I disagree ken, if the attack was for all the marbles that boat would have been minus a bow not scratched with a minor puncture.   

Agreed.


Not sure I agree, because if that shark hit the kayak hard and was expecting something soft and squishy the boat could have bounced out of his mouth before he got to deliver the crunch.

have you ever had somebody toss you something that does not weigh what you expect? hard
to catch it.

Now, maybe his second bites were more curious, but it sounds like the first hit was from the bottom and hard cause it ejected dan far enough from his boat he had to swim back.

I think the shark just bobbled the bite, but it meant a death blow to the kayak.

So my hypothetical sequence of events is:

1. hit hard from the bottom intending a mortal blow/bite.

2. kayak bounces out of the mouth of the shark.

3. WTF!?!?! (on the part of both Dan and Shark)

4. Shark goes back for some test nibbling.

John
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ex-kayaker on August 23, 2007, 10:54:59 AM
J,
I wasn't there, nor am I the shark so I'm not gonna speculate on its intentions. What I do know is that a gw shark is capable of biting clean through a couple feet of skin/blubber/muscle and bone, if it wanted to a kill a plastic kayak it woulda done it.  I don't buy the bounced out oh his mouth scenario, too much coincidental "what if this happened," "that coulda happened." A GWS is designed to kill, I don't think it misses as much as the discovery channel makes it appear.  To me the most logical scenario is that it because there was no gaping holes in the boat it simply came in to investigate....the initial hit, however "soft" it may have been ejected the paddler, shark stuck around to gum on the yak.   
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on August 24, 2007, 01:00:15 PM
J,
I wasn't there, nor am I the shark so I'm not gonna speculate on its intentions. What I do know is that a gw shark is capable of biting clean through a couple feet of skin/blubber/muscle and bone, if it wanted to a kill a plastic kayak it woulda done it.  I don't buy the bounced out oh his mouth scenario, too much coincidental "what if this happened," "that coulda happened." A GWS is designed to kill, I don't think it misses as much as the discovery channel makes it appear.  To me the most logical scenario is that it because there was no gaping holes in the boat it simply came in to investigate....the initial hit, however "soft" it may have been ejected the paddler, shark stuck around to gum on the yak.   

I think it tried to kill the kayak, but it hit it fast expecting a soft, squishy, and heavy thing and got a light, hard and bouncy thing. as a consequence the kayak did not stay in the mouth for a real hard initial crunch.

I think the shark would also know before it cut the bow clean off that it was not biting a seal.

Dan was pretty clear that the hit was hard, he got ejected to port and stern and had to paddle a few strokes back.

I bet they do miss a lot myself. I mean lining up on something way up on the surface and getting your 4000+ lbs of bulk up to ramming speed and nailing it is probably not that easy.

J

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ex-kayaker on August 24, 2007, 04:03:46 PM
J,
I wasn't there, nor am I the shark so I'm not gonna speculate on its intentions. What I do know is that a gw shark is capable of biting clean through a couple feet of skin/blubber/muscle and bone, if it wanted to a kill a plastic kayak it woulda done it.  I don't buy the bounced out oh his mouth scenario, too much coincidental "what if this happened," "that coulda happened." A GWS is designed to kill, I don't think it misses as much as the discovery channel makes it appear.  To me the most logical scenario is that it because there was no gaping holes in the boat it simply came in to investigate....the initial hit, however "soft" it may have been ejected the paddler, shark stuck around to gum on the yak.   

I think it tried to kill the kayak, but it hit it fast expecting a soft, squishy, and heavy thing and got a light, hard and bouncy thing. as a consequence the kayak did not stay in the mouth for a real hard initial crunch.

I think the shark would also know before it cut the bow clean off that it was not biting a seal.



Really, how light and bouncy is a fully loaded kayak in the water freedrifting with the wind. Its not like a kayak is gonna bounce around like a beach ball or flee like a seal, in my estimation a kayak would be an easy target.    Had it been a kill shot the chances of it bouncing out are slim at best and even if it realized halfway through the bite there would have been more damage.  Whether a hit was hard or soft is not really a measurable variable as each party(including the shark) will have a different scale to base it on.  After seeing Air Jaws I think moving 4000 lbs around accurately is possible when thats what you're designed to do. 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on August 25, 2007, 09:12:33 PM
J,
I wasn't there, nor am I the shark so I'm not gonna speculate on its intentions. What I do know is that a gw shark is capable of biting clean through a couple feet of skin/blubber/muscle and bone, if it wanted to a kill a plastic kayak it woulda done it.  I don't buy the bounced out oh his mouth scenario, too much coincidental "what if this happened," "that coulda happened." A GWS is designed to kill, I don't think it misses as much as the discovery channel makes it appear.  To me the most logical scenario is that it because there was no gaping holes in the boat it simply came in to investigate....the initial hit, however "soft" it may have been ejected the paddler, shark stuck around to gum on the yak.   

I think it tried to kill the kayak, but it hit it fast expecting a soft, squishy, and heavy thing and got a light, hard and bouncy thing. as a consequence the kayak did not stay in the mouth for a real hard initial crunch.

I think the shark would also know before it cut the bow clean off that it was not biting a seal.



Really, how light and bouncy is a fully loaded kayak in the water freedrifting with the wind. Its not like a kayak is gonna bounce around like a beach ball or flee like a seal, in my estimation a kayak would be an easy target.    Had it been a kill shot the chances of it bouncing out are slim at best and even if it realized halfway through the bite there would have been more damage.  Whether a hit was hard or soft is not really a measurable variable as each party(including the shark) will have a different scale to base it on.  After seeing Air Jaws I think moving 4000 lbs around accurately is possible when thats what you're designed to do. 

We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I mean the front of the kayak can be lifted up with less than 100lbs of force.

The shark thought it was going to hit a 1000lb (or more) elephant seal in a decapitating blow.

10-1 is a big difference and could have totally messed with mr GWS expectations on bite and strike force. modulation.

We are both using our physical intuition here. and getting different results. one of us is right and one of us is wrong. oh well,  :smt004.

John
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bblatt on August 26, 2007, 07:19:48 PM
Just reading an article about nerueconomics and found a statistic: Deer kill roughly seven times more people per year than Alligators, Bears, Sharks and Snakes combined (130 deaths by deer per year)
The article goes on to quote psychologist Daniel Kahneman, "We tend to judge the probability of an event by the ease with which we can call it to mind", which is to say that the more recently it occurred, or the more vivid our memory of something like it in the past, the more "available" an event will be in our minds - and the more probable its recurrence will seem.
I'll add that when I read cafecraig's account of his experience last year, my mind just about recorded it as if it had occurred to me.
Comments?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on August 28, 2007, 05:55:41 PM

that sounds like some serious psycho-babble.

p-spark computed the probability of someone that lives here and surfs, dives and kayak fishes regularly and the chance of an encounter was not that low.

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: kickfish on September 01, 2007, 09:04:29 PM
I really don't think sharks "Play".  They are eating machines.  They are there to kill and eat.  If they did not want to eat the Red Kayak.I don't think he or she would have not taking the attack.  How many wild animals attack for "fun".  They hit it and found out it was not the right thing and then started to think?  Asked the sailors in the ocean durning WW1 or WW2...if you could.  They say that human flesh does not taste good.  But, if you are hungry...I don't think it matters.  We eat worms, bugs, maggots, snails or anything else that has 4 leggs.
So, why not the sharks?
They troll wetsuits, surf boards and foam cutouts because it looks like a seal or sealion and keep on attacking it.

Ken kickfish
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ex-kayaker on September 04, 2007, 04:07:57 PM
How many wild animals attack for "fun". 

Plenty, Here's Orca's both preying on seals in the surf and playing with them in the open.....killer belly flop action toward the end

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORjOmiluonc


Some Futbol de Seal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEhQ5nauXgY


And one of the best commercials I've seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMyiMnQy9d4





Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on September 05, 2007, 04:47:37 PM

I think he just forgot his seal-be-still stick,  :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bajareefer on September 06, 2007, 11:38:12 AM
HEY FOLKS,
 ANYONE SEE THIS?
 I JUST LIFTED IT FROM SPEARBOARD; My goodness! Whats going on ?
The word on the street is that the Aquarium canceled all research
diver activity in the bay due to the sighting of a 13 - 16 ft GWS at
Hopkins reef.

Steve

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bajareefer on September 06, 2007, 11:41:12 AM
Killed by prop and then the shark takes over.... or killed by the shark alone....or what?
 Steve
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on September 06, 2007, 01:11:35 PM

looks like a prop injury to me. followed by some munching, but doesn't look
like a big shark.

regarding the sighting of the shark out there.

I have been having visions of a diver being munched in monterey.

probably cause I was reviewing the story of the fatality at lover's point.

Or because I detect a weird combination of denial and arrogance of divers there.

For some reason, my prediction powers of bad things seem right a lot.

J
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: kickfish on September 06, 2007, 01:57:01 PM
John,

Get a crystal ball...join the circus and get a sex change.  Maybe, the sex change ...first.  But, put on a lot of make-up...because it would be HARD for you to pass for a girl. If the shark is still attacking the yak when I get back in....I don't think it was Playing....just my 2 cents.

Ken kickfish
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bajareefer on September 06, 2007, 03:42:31 PM
That shark was frustrated and trying to get thru some thing he couldn't understand....ie  light, bouyant , tough plastic that wouldn't stay put and behave like non bouyant biomass.
 Consider this. No matter how hard your dog tries to bite a basketball...if its a bit big for his mouth, he has to work extra hard to go nowhere.
Before giving up...thats what this shark did. It ment business and this was  near miss...like on the hiway.
I know a little about sharks and I'm sure thats what happened.
 Steve
Tropical fishery consultant
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Rock Hopper on September 12, 2007, 02:00:06 PM
Doesn't look like a sharkbite at all to me on that seal.

Shark bites look like this:
(http://www.pierfishing.com/msgboard/images/dsc01153.jpg)

Although I'm guessing the bite in this seal is from a large 7-gill...or a very small GW. Or a GW removed the head from the seal and a 7-gill later took the bite out of the floating carcass. Or the head was removed by a boat prop...or???

Anyway - I took this pic at the Berkeley Pier a few years ago.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bajareefer on September 28, 2007, 09:51:38 AM
Anyone see this???




Shark carcass washes up on Ferndale beach
Jessie Faulkner/The Times-Standard
Article Launched: 09/18/2007 04:30:29 AM PDT


FERNDALE -- What is believed to be a great white shark washed up on Centerville Beach and is prompting more than a few residents to take the estimated one-mile hike north to see the remains.

Wendy Sotomayor, her father, 9-year-old son and 4-year-old daughter went this weekend after rumors spread about the shark's demise.

Estimated at 16 feet -- about twice the length of the average sofa -- the animal came to rest partially beyond the surf's reach.

”It was definitely a sight,” she said. “Everybody was in awe of how big it was.”

Several people scavenged the remains, removing most of its teeth, Sotomayor said. While her family visited two other men were digging out teeth further back in the marine animal's jaw. They gave her son a tooth -- which she ballparked at 1 to 1 1/2 inches.

Sotomayor's 4-year-old daughter was less impressed, thinking it was pretty stinky and keeping her distance.

A Coast Guard helicopter crew spotted the shark Saturday afternoon, said Lt. j. g. Russell P. Merrick, the helicopter's pilot. And that was from 300 to 400 feet up.

The aircraft circled back so the crew could take a closer look. Initially, the pilot said, they thought it ranged from 15 to 20 feet, but a closer look put it in the 15- to 16-foot range. The fish's eye, he said, was at least as big as his fist.
Merrick, originally from Massachusetts, said he'd never seen a great white shark in person.

It was enough to give him and the rest of the crew pause given that rescue swimmers frequently train in offshore waters.

Typically, when sharks die they sink to the ocean floor and are consumed by scavengers, according to Scott Quackenbush, the director of Humboldt State University's Telonicher Marine Laboratory and a professor of biological sciences.

Based on the estimated size, Quackenbush said, the fish would have been a fully mature adult -- a stage reached at 10 to 12 years.

For the shark to have ended up on the beach, it's likely that it became sick or was injured near the shore, possibly while feeding, he said.

”It's a pretty rare event,” Quackenbush said.



Jessie Faulkner can be reached at 441-0517 or jfaulkner@times-standard.com.




Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ex-kayaker on September 28, 2007, 04:05:40 PM
I believe the 9 year old boy owes the DFG a nice $10,000 fine for receiving the poached tooth of an endangered animal.   :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: swellrider on September 28, 2007, 04:26:32 PM
No F******* Respect for the dead!!! Disgraceful to desecrate a noble being for trophies. I would have taken that shark tooth and driven it right through his knife hand.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bblatt on September 28, 2007, 08:46:13 PM
Looks like somebody got part of the tail and dorsal fin too...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fish Flogger on September 30, 2007, 03:49:25 PM
I would have taken that shark tooth and driven it right through his knife hand.

 :smt010  :smt003 :smt044

I would love to get that on video. What kind of title would be most suitable for youtube?  :smt044 :smt044

FF
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: swellrider on October 01, 2007, 08:18:31 AM
Sharktober is in full effect. A local surf gal was hit by a GWS while surfing at Moonstone beach here in Humboldt. It bit the back of her board causing her to tumble backwards on top of the shark. They found teeth impeded in the board and several holes that went completely through.
This happened in 10 ft of water on a glassy smooth sea. The same thing happened at the same spot five years ago.
http://www.rense.com/general78/mmonstone.htm
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bluekayak on October 07, 2007, 01:51:31 PM
just a carcass

I probably would've taken a few teeth myself
Title: Woman Fights Off Shark
Post by: Marmite on October 15, 2007, 08:50:18 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSSYD25828220071015 (http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSSYD25828220071015)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: littoral on October 15, 2007, 07:09:38 PM
Sharktober is in full effect.

Season now opening SLO. (http://www.ksby.com/Global/story.asp?S=7177101)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on October 21, 2007, 02:50:01 PM

Blue, tell us about your close encounter,  :smt002

J
Title: Fatal Shark Attack off San Diego
Post by: Marmite on April 25, 2008, 10:07:50 AM
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-04-25-shark-attack_N.htm
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on April 25, 2008, 10:38:34 AM
Thanks for the post,  Like to know more about this one,

 Heading down there late june,  Have Shark Shield, will Travel.......
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on April 25, 2008, 12:54:25 PM
Don't know if a shark shield would have made a difference in this one " Gray Shark "..?

 Probably was a Great White, here is another story from SD gotten off of Jim's Kayak4fish.com

  http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20080425-1006-bn25shark.html
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on April 25, 2008, 10:20:00 PM
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However, Hill said he saw a seal or sea lion on the beach earlier this week. Miller said a seal pup was found on the beach Friday morning before the attack and was taken to a marine animal rescue center.

The day Dan was attacked at Bean Hollow, some us stuck around for a few hours for a BBQ..... we saw a baby seal swimming inside the cove near shore....with no mama seal in sight :smt009
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: guitarzan on April 26, 2008, 10:40:33 AM
Quote
However, Hill said he saw a seal or sea lion on the beach earlier this week. Miller said a seal pup was found on the beach Friday morning before the attack and was taken to a marine animal rescue center.

The day Dan was attacked at Bean Hollow, some us stuck around for a few hours for a BBQ..... we saw a baby seal swimming inside the cove near shore....with no mama seal in sight :smt009
And the next day,'da Mooch went out by himself at the same spot, quite manly.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: MolBasser on April 26, 2008, 05:44:53 PM
Unfortunatley, my wife knew the guy killed in SD.  She worked for him for a number of years.

She called me last night in shock and tears.

Bummer.

BrewBasser
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: promethean_spark on May 04, 2008, 04:49:10 PM
Now they're blaming global warming for increased shark attacks.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/may/04/wildlife.climatechange
Don't know where they come up with these douchebags, must be someplace with mercury in the water...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on May 08, 2008, 09:21:31 AM
Now they're blaming global warming for increased shark attacks.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/may/04/wildlife.climatechange

Quite laughable... Die media scum! :ded :smt063

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bsteves on May 08, 2008, 10:32:43 AM
I feel bad for Dr George Burgess of Florida University.  All he said regarding the potential effect of global warming on sharks was .. "You'll find that some species will begin to appear in places they didn't in the past with some regularity".  That's it.  I can't believe that they (the journalist and his editor) can come up with a title like "Surge in fatal shark attacks blamed on global warming" from that little quote.  One of Dr. Burgess's other quotes in the piece .."As the population continues to rise, so does the number of people in the water for recreation. And as long as we have an increase in human hours in the water, we will have an increase in shark bites." is more likely true, but sadly that doesn't make for a sensational title.

Brian
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sigelvictory on May 08, 2008, 05:53:43 PM
I feel bad for Dr George Burgess of Florida University.  All he said regarding the potential effect of global warming on sharks was .. "You'll find that some species will begin to appear in places they didn't in the past with some regularity".  That's it.  I can't believe that they (the journalist and his editor) can come up with a title like "Surge in fatal shark attacks blamed on global warming" from that little quote.  One of Dr. Burgess's other quotes in the piece .."As the population continues to rise, so does the number of people in the water for recreation. And as long as we have an increase in human hours in the water, we will have an increase in shark bites." is more likely true, but sadly that doesn't make for a sensational title.

Brian

YEAH, YOU KNOW, LIKE: LOGIC, ITS LIKE SO TOTALLY BORING AND STUFF. 
tune into the evening news for more totally useless information.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on June 01, 2008, 05:29:59 PM
Tom Stenstra is sounding the " Dinner Bell " for GWS in Todays Chronical.... :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Northern Boy on June 23, 2008, 12:17:20 PM
Shark "attacks" kayaker in Catalina.

http://cbs2.com/local/shark.catalina.attack.2.754368.html (http://cbs2.com/local/shark.catalina.attack.2.754368.html)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bsteves on June 24, 2008, 10:30:32 AM
Here's the link to some posts from witnesses at BloodyDecks.com

http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/inshore-islands-fishing-reports-southern-california-usa/109453-topless-sat.html (http://www.bloodydecks.com/forums/inshore-islands-fishing-reports-southern-california-usa/109453-topless-sat.html)

Check out comments by Karlo & JT Money.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on June 24, 2008, 10:48:08 AM

Bill, do I get another lunch?  :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on June 24, 2008, 01:00:34 PM
Well there ya go, Hobie's and OK's in red and light blue are shark bait.. oooor maybe the yak has nothing to do with it at all...  :laughing1:

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Goutless Angler on June 25, 2008, 12:33:48 PM
Courtesy of Michael's.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on July 16, 2008, 07:26:33 PM
Interesting article about GWS in this weeks WON ....
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Sin Coast on July 17, 2008, 05:11:29 PM
I witnessed a "potential-shark-attack/curiosity" last Saturday as an unidentified creature exploded on the surface within 10 feet of sackyak's kayak, off the northern Big Sur coast.
It was either a huge, startled sealion or a curious shark. But it created two distinct splashes that sent water 4 feet into the air (both splashes happened within a split-second). It looked a lot like a fish attacking something on the surface, then turning around 180*. The first splash looked like a pectoral fin emerging and sending water into the air as it flipped around, at which time its tail ripped across the surface and sent more water into the air.
Not often do you get to experience something that is both scary AND cool. Just glad it didn't surface within 10 feet of MY boat, or I might've pooped my wetsuit!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Backcountry on July 17, 2008, 05:17:46 PM
How is Sackyak's wetsuit fairing?  Sounds like it might need a bleach rinse after all that excitement!

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Rock Hopper on July 17, 2008, 10:25:43 PM
Sin - I had the same thing happen to me at Elk last year.

I just closed my eyes and pretended it didn't happen. I was pretty freaked out, but kinda convinced myself it was a sealion.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on July 19, 2008, 06:26:30 PM
As a gws attack survivor, i dont see how people hit the water on the n coast without a shark shield. But maybe im not the one to ask. Itll mildly shock you once in a while, but it beats spending 8 weeks in hospital and nearly loosing an arm and a leg.
To read a version of my story on google books, from the book shark attack by alex mcCormic, about half way down the page 207, under the heading Cape Province (Niko von Broembsen), here is a link
http://books.google.com/books?id=HU9kJCNgJvwC&pg=PA207&vq=niko+von+broembsen&dq=niko+von+broembsen&output=html&source=gbs_search_s&cad=5&sig=ACfU3U2lyBXj-xfmmsPAuYJe-xV-i1AOjg (http://books.google.com/books?id=HU9kJCNgJvwC&pg=PA207&vq=niko+von+broembsen&dq=niko+von+broembsen&output=html&source=gbs_search_s&cad=5&sig=ACfU3U2lyBXj-xfmmsPAuYJe-xV-i1AOjg)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on July 19, 2008, 11:55:48 PM
Thanks for sharing Sharky.... :smt006

 I can't even imagine that Hell that must have been. I'm sure you have taken a look at this thread and can see things get a Bit Heated around here as we talk about The Landlord....

 It is a Terrifying Thought to think of becoming part of the Food chain, but is also part of the Thrill Ride
of being on the Big Blue. An easy thing to say, but as Big Whitey comes to call, The thought of some pervention would seem priceless.

 Truthfully, I feel a little silly about using a SharkShield being so many us, including myself, just go out as we do without any protection and throw caution to the wind. We say to ourselves that the Sharks really are not interested in us and we have a Better chance of getting killed on the way to the Beach, all true, but,

 We just Happen to live and fish in one of the Most Heavily populated areas for GWS. They are protected and so is there food source and many more of us are getting out there, the odds that we are going to have more " Encounters " with our Top Predator would seem likely.

I do have a Sharkshield now and will be using it, as much as I feel a little silly about it, I know I would feel even more silly and irresponsible to my Family by not using it.

 And ya, I could just not go out in the Big Blue, But that is a Bummer too.

I ran into a Guy today that spearfishes around here, he goes way back, knew Mooch/ Sean ect...

And he said we are "F#@!@#@ Nuts!!!" to be out in any of that Water off the San Mateo Coast.

 I know that I don't know much about the Sea, and I don't presume to know how a GWS Thinks,

So, if I can put a Little protection on myself,

well,  WTF,  I'm going to do it...

Thanks Again Sharky for Telling Your Tale,  Glad your still out there with us...... :smt006
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on July 20, 2008, 12:17:58 PM
Danglin.
I know both you and I were deliberating about how to mount this thing, and that yours is the "Freedom" (leg mount) and mine is the surf. Well i wouldn't over think it. Tie it to something, turn it on and get it in the water. As long as its on, in the water and has a charge, no Landlord. Period! You will soon figure out this is one powerful device. The probability of you getting "mildly" shocked, at least in the beginning, is near 100%. Especially while turning it on and off. Look, shooting 3 and a half inch magnum 00 buck loads outta my pump  action is less than painless, but is great home protection :smt067. In the future I'm gonna carry an insulated glove in a dry place to deal with it as necessary . It DOES NOT affect the fish we are targeting ( unless your puttin the hurt on 350lb salmon sharks, or winning shark Derby's by nabbin threshers while the competition is messin around with leopards :smt107). While fishing SC recently I had chovies and smelt breezing all around the boat. they only veered off within 1 ft of the electrode, but remained all around the boat. You'll feel it within 6 inches. It pulses much like a electric fence. The guy at Shark Shield suggested i drop it thro' the scupper hole in my footwell, with a length of mono tied to the end of the electrode. the mono goes thro a point (carrying handle) on the stern, so the electrode can be pulled taught up against the hull, so it doesn't hang up on your fishing gear or kelp. (Yours is the compact version so you don't have to worry about this. yours may prove to be the better/simpler solution for our applications. plus you can use it for ab diving...i may have to get a "Freedom 7" just for that.). Well the guy at shark shield didn't know how close my foot is to the scupper hole, or how wet the footwell is on a Tarpon 140. ZAP ZAP ZAP. I spent that first test session paddling crosslegged, with both feet in one footwell. next session I tried dropping thro the tankell scupper and pulling it foreward. this worked well except for that connection btwn the electrode and mono picked up a little kelp. this was solved by a better low profile splice. in this position it takes the space used for my thro scupper bait tank, so I'm gonna try another solution. Id like to tie it to an anchor trolley, so i can access it as necessary and pull it all the way foreward or aft, and the electrode the opposite directions. I don't know if I'm making any sense. i should take pics.
Bottom line. Ive had a few good session on the salt safely. i couldn't have done it without it.
For those of you who try not to think of it, or think the odds of a car wreck or lightning strike are greater risk...do you use a seat belt/have or want airbags?..does your house have a lightning rod?...if you lived in Oklahoma would you want a cellar?...
Out of a tight group of friends of mine (+/- 30) back in South Africa, surfers, three of us have shed blood to the Landlord. One of us lost his life. Go ahead and google Alex Macun (attacked 1982). he was the older brother of my best friend Andrew. we all wanted to be him when we made it to college. he was a surfer/ photog extrordinaire. the most wildly published photog in Zig Zag, SA's surf mag. in this case"the good die young" holds true. Then there is Sergio Capri. More of a father/mentor to me than my biological. when i was 12 y old i would cycle 5 mi to the beach with my surfboard and lunch for 2 before the sun came up. without fail at grey light, sergios beat up van would appear. He'd say" tie the boards on, Niko. I'm too hung over to deal with crowds. lets go find some real surf....whats for lunch.."
The way i found out about Sergio's attack was one of the most bizarre instances of synchronisity i have ever experienced. i was in the USA for over 5 years in Oklahoma and had been living in the bay area for 2 weeks. i somehow ended up at a party in Berkeley. my new girlfriend was telling my GWS attack story to some of her friends, when someone said" you're Niko. I am Adam's cousin (Adam Harding, my friend that was with me when i was attacked). Sergio was attacked by a great white 2 days ago. hes in hospital, but is going to make it... :smt103...
http://www.wavescape.co.za/top_bar/tidings/sharks/shark_koeel.html (http://www.wavescape.co.za/top_bar/tidings/sharks/shark_koeel.html)

People often said i musta survived for a reason. i didn't pay much attention to them. if you see the extent of the damage, you may or may not agree. but maybe this post has something to do with it. we are all breaking new ground in the salt. our craft have the silhouette of a seal. we are working the same reefs they are using to set up ambushes. Its only a matter of time. Our community WILL experience unfortunate encounters in the future. The people at Shark Shield, as do I, believe all shark attacks are preventable. get a shark shield and use it! Yes the price is a tad steep ($700) but i see most of us paddling around with carbon fiber paddles color sonar and high end rod n reel combos. you may have to shuffle priorities, but its the rite thing to do. I have sooooo many stories of encounters.I could continue to type for days, but it drains me so.. nearly all of us from my old SA crew have had encounters...bumps and circled.. and as i said, 3 have bled and one is dead. I REALLY DONT WANT ANY MORE STORIES, but I'm sure as the sun will set in the west, they will come.....Like danglin said think of your loved ones..ask my sister or mom what it was like for them...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Northern Boy on July 20, 2008, 03:42:17 PM
hoboy.

Thanks for sharing Sharky. I am sure you're right, there will be more unpleasant encounters. One only has to look at this site to know that kayak fishing is getting more and more popular. That has to mean more kayaks. We know that kayaks have been attacked before. It's only a matter of time. :smt009
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on July 20, 2008, 09:18:59 PM
Thanks Again Sharky.... :smt006

 Words of Wisdom and experience, but we Americans live in the World of Denial,

   and most reading this will still say " Poppy Cock "... " I don't need no Stinking Shield...... "

 It's all a choice,

But thanks for bringing it home by putting your experience out there for us all to see and think about.

 It's a game of chance, but as the "Clicks" go by on the Revolver,
                                                                                   
                                      A Loaded Chamber is out there...  :smt087

 I got ahold of the Dealer and they said there would be liability issues about swapping. After looking at my options for mounting I realize I have the right one for the Hobie. It's all about leasing it off the back and letting it hang. I'm sure there will be a learning curve with how best to mount it ...
( Hopefully I don't get a perm out off it!! )

Spike has been just Hanging his off the side with no problems, so I think I'm good to go.

 Hope to Fish with ya soon ...... Danglin
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Usagi on July 21, 2008, 08:38:34 AM
I think Sea Change should donate a Shark Shield or two to the Elk raffle package, or any upcoming NCKA event for that matter.  It would be good PR!  Go to it, Bill!  :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: DaveW on July 21, 2008, 08:31:01 PM
Quote
Yes the price is a tad steep ($700)

Yeah, just a bit.  When I added up the net worth of all my yak fishing stuff it came to $670.00

Sorry about your experience, and glad you recovered.

A proven device to deter sharks may be worth that kind of money, but from my understanding the jury's still out on whether they work.  I haven't read the entire shark thread, but I'm sure thats been mentioned.  Just because someone doesn't get bit doesn't mean it works, and 700 clams is a lot to spend on a maybe.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on July 22, 2008, 11:03:24 AM
Dave,
"Recovered" is no quite the right word. I still have no calf muscle in my left leg, my left hip is prone to popping and all the flesh and skin on the top of my left fore arm is transplanted. They took out the muscular covering sheath of my right lat to cover my exposed ulnar and radius (snapped) and prevent amputation, and a skin graft from my rt thigh to cover the transplanted muscle. All the "extensor" tendons are gone, and i only have very little grip at all in this hand.
about the jury still being out, well some say the same about global warming. I like to base my decisions on the best science of the day. I visited the Natal Sharks Board after my attack,during the development of the device and saw its effect on tigers and ragged tooth (sand tigers). they could not physically get close to a chunk of tuna which they had been feeding on.
check out the testimonials on the shark shield website. I know....Because its in an ad on the web it must be true :smt044 but check em out for yourself..
Dave, if you know of any info disproving its effectiveness, i would like to hear it. Of course a large shark may be able to defeat it, but it would be akin to scaling a 12 ft electrified fence to inspect what looks like a cheeseburger on the other side. ALL of the researchers i have spoken to say it works. PERIOD. it is not only extremely unpleasant to them it creates involuntary convulsions in the shark which prohibit it from attacking.
Dave, about the price...yea...ouch! My sister loaned me the money, cause she knew i wouldn't be able to stay off the salt. She made me promise i would ALWAYS use it. I was able to get her to agree that it was unnecessary inside the bay.
Usagi, I spoke to the guys from SS in Oz. I wanted to get stickers for the yak and car, they said they were so strapped they had no money for advertisement, except the web site. I also have inside info from people at the Natal Sharks Board that the guys in Oz paid a HUGE amount of money for the rights to this technology and they haven't sold near enough units yet...ie there still DEEP in the red. So they may be tight on donations. However it is a year since i spoke to them. They said we (yakfishers) were their quickest growing sector of the market. my hope is that they'll develop a yak specific unit with electrodes that mount to the underside of the hull.
They did say they would like to talk to the NCKA "Chieftan".......
I know these posts are bumming people out. Honestly im sorry. I just feel it would be wrong for me no to tell ya all the "bare bones" of my story. Ive done alot of post attack ab diving without it (before it was commercially available). good vis being the key. somehow sitting on top just feels wrong to me. cant see em.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on July 22, 2008, 12:29:26 PM
I was thinking of contacting SharkShield about a Donation, but it looks as though you have done the leg work already,


Maybe you could PM the Contact info of SharkShield to our " Chieftan "  Bill, and give him a Heads up...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: DaveW on July 22, 2008, 03:23:19 PM
Dave,
"Recovered" is no quite the right word.

Apologies, that was a bit insensitive.  I haven't read the entire thread.  I just tuned into the last part.

But......didn't someone post something about a shark eating one of those things?  About a month or two ago.  If they indeed work, I'll put one on my card.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on July 22, 2008, 03:49:42 PM
Dave,
I don't know about the post, but i did hear a rumor about that. i heard it along time ago. before the commercially available shark shield, when it was still the shark pod project, under development in South Africa, by the Natal Sharks Board. I also heard that it was taken when the were still experementing with the rite frequency/strength. both rumors i haven't been able to verify/dispell.Anyone?
i sometimes wonder if the reluctance of surf/dive shop owners to remind possible customers of the danger by putting them on display, may hurt shark shield sales....just a thought..
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on July 22, 2008, 04:34:44 PM

Sharky, thanks for posting on this thread.

I kind of started this thread, fed it, and even bet Bill that he was living in denial about an attack being a matter of time. Well, as things happened, Dan's yak got munched and Bill bought me a bittersweet sushi lunch. I have surfed this area for a long time but only crossed paths with one significantly sized shark (that I know about), and it was a case of me seeing it and it being focused on something else. But there are attacks each year and some pretty bad ones like eric larsen @ davenport or even the one just last year at marina. I do wonder if SA has just way more sharks because we have more people, but they seem to have more attacks per capita.

Sometimes I am surprised there is not an attack every weekend given the number of people we have going into the ocean. I think as the population comes back now that they are protected, we will see a big jump in attacks one of these years soon.

Regarding the Shark Shield.

I think you might still get hit by a GWS since they commit from below on sight and are hauling ass upward before they feel the electricity, but the shield might stop them from sticking around to finish the job. so far the plastic shield between one's ass and the teeth seems to have worked to save people, but I do think a big shark is going to get a mouthful of kayak and person in the first pop at some point.

So I am not using one now. But it's mainly a case of me knowing that I probably would not bring it since it is heavy and yet another piece of equipment and it is a lot of money too. I am hoping that if I get hit, the shark will hit the yak like the other cases, figure out it is plastic. not notice the edible thing nearby (me) and leave. I have flotation in my yak which I hope will let me get to shore before it sinks.

Sin Coast, I was out there that day with you and Sack Yak. SY saw a dorsal, so I think it really was a 10' or so,  but I did see some solid sized sea lions doing the 180's on the surface as well that day.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on July 22, 2008, 06:41:55 PM
Jim,
I agree about the boat providing fair protection. and yes, in a from below ballistic attack, momentum may allow for a bump, and possibly ejection, but the field siezes its jaw, so you should be good. my attack was side (30 degree approach).its really light. the unit weighs as much as an entry level hummingbird+ 10 aa batt. the electrode is additional weight,but not much, and is in the water.
i saw alot more in the cape than here, but i spent alot more time in/on the water. possibly the biggest ive seen was here, but im not sure.too much time has passed..
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: DaveW on July 22, 2008, 08:24:47 PM
There was this posted on another thread: http://www.cdnn.info/news/industry/i060115.html   Don't know if this is dredging up old business.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: LoletaEric on July 22, 2008, 11:23:34 PM
Don't know if this is dredging up old business.

Nope.  Quite tiimely.   :smt001  Good link there, Dave.  I have my doubts about the Shield, but I'd have one if I were a lottery winner probably...  Isn't it the case that the Shark Shield actually attracts the sharks at first, so those yakkers along with someone with the Shield are in even bigger danger than usual?!  My bud Matt has the Shield, and he brought it to the Cape the other day.  I asked him not to use it because of hearing that it could attract a shark to me.  He complied and I was relieved. 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on July 23, 2008, 12:07:32 AM
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Isn't it the case that the Shark Shield actually attracts the sharks at first, so those yakkers along with someone with the Shield are in even bigger danger

I've heard this too, and I think it goes into the rumor Bin along with other unknowns,

 They seem to have done plenty of research on this thing, and most of it comes up that it does deter, not Draw.... I know these are Aussies making these statements, but where is the Proof that it draws sharks?

I asked people who were familar with this product and they all said the same thing that it does not draw.

They of course all had stake in the shield being safe, but again, what is the reasoning that The Shield draws Sharks?

 I know I hate to think I drew a shark to everybody, and if it did happen, what's the proof that the shield brought Him/Her in?

 I really don't understand the Nay saying on this product.

 And, I think Hauling a Bunch of Bloody Rockfish, leaving a Bloody trail draining thru the scupper holes would be a stronger draw than this shield being it's range is only 24'.

 I realize a Shark also feels it's way by picking up on " Distress Signals ", but is this the same as what the Shield puts out?

 We don't know and I Welcome any Hard facts on the Possibility that it does....

Sorry to get a little Huffy on this, but there is no proof out there ( that I have Found )

  Saying a Shark Shield draws Sharks,

 I think this " Rumor " puts a Unfair light on those that do use them...IMO
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ScottThornley on July 23, 2008, 07:26:05 AM
The Shark Shield does not attract sharks for the simple reason that the electrical field that it produces does not radiate any significant distance. I see it being effective in situations where the shark has been investigating the potential dinner, not necessarily mad rush from the depths to predate on a seal pup scenario. But after seeing how the GWS will veer off of the trolled seal pup dummy at the last second, who knows....


Scott
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: DaveW on July 23, 2008, 08:22:48 AM
That link doesn't say anything about attracting sharks.  It just says the thing doesn't work, and equates it with snake oil sales swindles.   For me, money is tight right now, so cost/benefit is it....does it work?  I know someone posted a link on this site documenting that a shark ate one of those things during a field test.  I don't have the time to find it.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on July 23, 2008, 09:25:27 AM
Dave, i hear money is tight. Please dont let my story keep you outta the water. just be aware, you know, and in the future if it becomes do able, i would suggest getting one. thats just me. Ive seen em work on big fish. Funny the Oz govt. should say that. after buying hundreds of units for its navy, and having done its own testing on the product. personally, im very sceptical of our govt.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on July 23, 2008, 09:37:28 AM
I was the one who posted a GWS eating a shark shield,

It happen to a surfer while he was riding a wave, the shark bit the tailboard with the unit attached.

 it was figured that the coil was probably not in the water at the time of the attack.

 It is a must for this thing to be effective, to have the coil fully immersed...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on July 23, 2008, 10:58:54 AM
Ok, I read the " nay saying "article. First off Id like to say Ive managed a surf shop before, and spoken to many surf/ dive shop workers. There seems to be a huge avoidance of this product, because it scares customers off. Parents don't want to buy a $100 boogieboard,if they feel they need to lay out $700 for protection, to be a good parent.
this guy making the statement, Rory,( working for the dept. of fisheries,which sounds like DFG, and we all know how they get it rite every time :smt044...just a thought..he is their expert, and I'm sure very qualified..so his opinion should carry weight) said "the devices may offer some protection, people should not assume shark shield units will prevent shark attacks." would you wear a flack jacket in Falluja. do you like airbags. do you use a safety belt. none of these are a guarantee of your safety, but are the best technologies available.
the part that really ticks me off is"McAulay cited..inadequate field testing to back up manufacture claims that Shark Shield devices actually prevent shark attacks." that is absolute BS. if i were sea change id be looking a lawsuit. This thing has been in development for nearly 2 decades,and tested in its current form on thousands of large predatory sharks successfully. my feeling is this statement by Rory smacks of professional jealousy. look around and you'll find scientist who say climate change is a croc...ill go with the majority. And posting that fake snake oil offer, what does that tell you about this reporters integrity. way to be unbiased LAMAR BENNINGTON ya hack!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on July 23, 2008, 11:35:06 AM

Well, I have to say, I would definitely think about using a shield after this latest addition to this thread.

Especially if one is going to fish the bean regularly.

Danglin, can you post a pic of how you have yours rigged and what it looks like?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on July 23, 2008, 11:49:10 AM
Jim.
Ill try and post pics soon, but i recently broke my camera.If your gonna get one, we should really try and figure out which model is better for us. (freedom 7 vs Surf 7). the guys at SS said the surf, but its 10ft electrode is more cumbersome than the compact freedom 7( but apparently slightly more effective...still you have to use it for it to work!) the units are exactl the same, the diff is in the electrode.They both will work. you can use the freedom 7 for abs as well.i should be in SC soon and you are welcome to check it out then...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: DaveW on July 23, 2008, 03:33:33 PM
OK, Sharky you've got my interest.  how much does this thing weigh?  If you've already stated this and its back in the huge thread, just tell me to do my homework.

I'm a surfer (1st), yak fisher, and freedive spearfisher.  I'm thinking the one you called "freedom" would be the ticket.  Used on like a 7' 6" to 8' 0".  they're not small boards, so it wouldn't unbalance the board?

On one of the surf sites, they rated our local break as a "10," which is "bring your own shark cage."
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on July 24, 2008, 08:54:38 AM
dave im not sure about the weight. Ill either weigh it when i get home or find the documentation.
here is their urlhttp://www.sharkshield.com/Content/Home/ (http://www.sharkshield.com/Content/Home/)
I guess the freedom is the one but dont take my word for it, phone em. they are very helpful. i think you may even be able to VOIP them from the site..
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on July 24, 2008, 09:02:18 AM
In water weight (Complete):    69 grams (2.4oz), but it actual outy of water wt is somethimg like 3 or 4....illcheck later
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: DaveW on July 24, 2008, 11:43:34 AM
In water weight (Complete):    69 grams (2.4oz), but it actual outy of water wt is somethimg like 3 or 4....illcheck later

Thanks for your help.......Hmmm...$700.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on July 24, 2008, 12:16:54 PM

I ordered a freedom 7 from the web site and paid via paypal. $762.58 shipped.

I'll report here on what happens. 

I'm hoping I can hang that thing off my rudder or stern toggle.  as for my surf board it seems it could be hung off the leash right where it attaches to the board if you don't want to attach it to your ankle.

J

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: DaveW on July 24, 2008, 05:08:40 PM

I ordered a freedom 7 from the web site and paid via paypal. $762.58 shipped.

I'll report here on what happens. 

I'm hoping I can hang that thing off my rudder or stern toggle.  as for my surf board it seems it could be hung off the leash right where it attaches to the board if you don't want to attach it to your ankle.

J



very cool.  I'm interested.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on July 24, 2008, 08:10:31 PM
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Danglin, can you post a pic of how you have yours rigged and what it looks like?

 Sorry not to get this up sooner,  especially since you were on the fence to Buy one, 

ConGrats BTW.... :smt004

 I have yet to get out on the salt with it, but I figure it's going to look something like this.

 I have been told only the Coil needs to be in the water.

 If the whole unit needs to be in the water, I'll have to keep working with it....

 The Velcro is wrapped around the Bungee rigging and a extra leash is running thru the Velcro " Hole " and the wiring. There really are not any " Good " spots to leash this thing other than thru space where your leg would be. I think I'm going to have to come up with some sort of modification, maybe have a sew shop install a gromit or something. The Velcro is VERY strong, probably be enough on it's own, but with it's price tag, a little more security would be nice.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on July 24, 2008, 08:36:12 PM
Fhe guy at ss said it was cool to drop the electrode throu a scupper with the unit onboard, so no the unit dosnt have to be in the water, just the electrode...Imalmost certain its the same with the freedom....
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on July 25, 2008, 11:01:19 PM
Fhe guy at ss said it was cool to drop the electrode throu a scupper with the unit onboard, so no the unit dosnt have to be in the water, just the electrode...Imalmost certain its the same with the freedom....

I'm going to attach mine to the very stern of my yak so it's out of the way. at least that's the idea right now. It'll trail behind like a little tail.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on July 28, 2008, 10:10:38 AM
http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php/topic,14053.0.html (http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php/topic,14053.0.html) a great article if your on the fence about the ss
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Great Bass 2 on July 28, 2008, 05:40:45 PM
Negative WAF for letting your wife watch Shark Week.  :smt005 Every night at 9PM this week on the Discovery Channel. The airborne sharks of South Africa are on today. Totally Awesome!!!  :smt010

Scott
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Backcountry on July 28, 2008, 06:08:41 PM
Anybody catch the guy that swims with GWS's (no cage) and pets them into a tonic state?  Major BALLS... incredible to watch on TV, and the photography and what we're learning about these wild animals is pretty amazing, but I still think he's going to end up like Timothy Treadwell (i.e., GWS poopie).
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on July 28, 2008, 11:03:18 PM
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Anybody catch the guy that swims with GWS's (no cage) and pets them into a tonic state?  Major BALLS...

My guess is that they feed the GW's till their belly is full and can't eat anymore...and THEN they dive down. Still - a ballsy thing to do  :smt009
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on July 28, 2008, 11:27:51 PM

my shark shield (freedom 7) came in the mail just a few days after I ordered it.

looks like an alien skull and spinal cord that the predator would cherish,  :smt007.

a little bigger and thicker and more massive than I was hoping, but not too bad.

The charger and the LED's seem to do what they are supposed to.

I put some dielectric grease on the charger pins to hopefully avert any possible corrosion.

I like the idea of attaching it at the very stern of the yak, so it's out of the way and does not make the yak turn one way or the other, but hanging it off the back of your seat alongside the rear quarter of the yak should work too.

mine fits over my folded up rudder, and I'll probably affix it there so I don't lose it and try that.

okay danglin, I'm ready for the bean in october if you are!  :smt004. not to mention xj-15...

John
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on July 28, 2008, 11:38:53 PM
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okay danglin, I'm ready for the bean in october if you are!

                                                      :smt087
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on July 29, 2008, 10:16:55 AM
John,
Cool, that was quick! Last year i waited 2 and a half mnths. But that was when they bringing the new 7hr models out  to replace the older 4 hr models. I like the way mine looks and agree it does look sinister. Btw how long is the "antenna" on the freedom. On the surf its 9'6" from unit to tip. Cant wait to hear about the field test. I hope i didnt overstate its compact formfactor. Your gonna be "shocked" to find out how much zap this lil device puts out
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on July 30, 2008, 01:10:07 PM
John,
Cool, that was quick! Last year i waited 2 and a half mnths. But that was when they bringing the new 7hr models out  to replace the older 4 hr models. I like the way mine looks and agree it does look sinister. Btw how long is the "antenna" on the freedom. On the surf its 9'6" from unit to tip. Cant wait to hear about the field test. I hope i didnt overstate its compact formfactor. Your gonna be "shocked" to find out how much zap this lil device puts out

yeah, it came in just a few days.

I'd say the antenna is about 7'6" long, about half the length of my scupper pro.

more comments:

with something that expensive, they should provide a better instruction sheet, they just have a double sided xerox that is not even centered. I would expect more of a booklet. at least it looks like the real engineers wrote the sheet, not some poorly informed tech writer.

the packaging is fine.

I am concerned about misplacing the charger, you need to use their special charger. 

Sharky, what about leaking or corrosion on the unit? any problems with yours on that score?

John
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on July 30, 2008, 03:23:25 PM
John,
Mine seems SUPER resistant to corrosion, and I'm a good candidate to test that as i often forget the fresh wash part of the trip. I haven't used dielectric on the jack yet, but should. Still the metal looks like the day i got it. Its held up way better than any other electronics on my boat. the plastic seems tough.
i spoke to the guy at SS about the single sheet documentation, he said they were so tight they couldn't even afford to put a booklet together. He also said the info provided should suffice, and if not don't hesitate to call..
I hear you on the special charger. Just what i need another charger. however it is a nice one with all the international converters...
I'm confident once you use it youll be happy with what you got
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: JTF.. on July 30, 2008, 09:36:50 PM
Bean in October?  Why not launch at pigeon and paddle south???  I'm sure we could even find someone with a boat to be on standby.  If the kayaks get munched, you just jump in the boat and go motoring for albacore.

Sounds like a perfect day.  :smt001
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on August 01, 2008, 07:58:07 PM
Bean in October?  Why not launch at pigeon and paddle south???  I'm sure we could even find someone with a boat to be on standby.  If the kayaks get munched, you just jump in the boat and go motoring for albacore.

Sounds like a perfect day.  :smt001

I caught the halibut in my avatar by starting south of the island, but within sight of it and paddling north. in november 2006. the hair on the back of my neck did raise up a few times as I was fishing alone that day (it was a weekday, with zero swell and zero wind). I think I caught it just south of the new MLPA line.

seems like the shark shield is a worthy investment for that sort of day.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on August 14, 2008, 10:33:15 AM
how about this?             
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bungle on August 14, 2008, 12:58:03 PM
Clean work, Adam.   :smt004
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Northern Boy on August 25, 2008, 03:08:58 PM
An apparent sighting of The Landlord has closed Stinson Beach.

The article quotes an individual as having spotted an "8 to 10 foot shark, possibly a Great White". Accounting for the usual exaggeration that goes with fish stories, this could easily have been a big Leopard? Or a salmon shark?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/25/BA2812HVSB.DTL&tsp=1 (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/08/25/BA2812HVSB.DTL&tsp=1)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on August 27, 2008, 10:10:13 AM
An apparent sighting of The Landlord has closed Stinson Beach.

The article quotes an individual as having spotted an "8 to 10 foot shark, possibly a Great White". Accounting for the usual exaggeration that goes with fish stories, this could easily have been a big Leopard? Or a salmon shark?

 :smt005 HA! You nailed it NB. Most likely a juvenile GWS or a salmon shark. You bring up a really good point. Although they are serious, most reports should be taken w/ a grain of salt.  Being human we all tend to exaggerate when things get scary.

Z

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on September 04, 2008, 12:28:34 PM
Imho, the Juvies/teenager GWS are a pretty scary customer. Just like human teenagers, they think they know it all, are very curious and have a tendancy to try and mess with everything they come across. Its that time of year fo the "RED TRIANGLE".
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Northern Boy on September 04, 2008, 02:20:19 PM
Yep. Pacific Shark esearch reports sightings at Ocean Beach (SF).

http://www.sharkresearchcommittee.com/pacific_coast_shark_news.htm (http://www.sharkresearchcommittee.com/pacific_coast_shark_news.htm)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on September 04, 2008, 02:30:00 PM
Yep. Pacific Shark esearch reports sightings at Ocean Beach (SF).

http://www.sharkresearchcommittee.com/pacific_coast_shark_news.htm (http://www.sharkresearchcommittee.com/pacific_coast_shark_news.htm)
Sloat Ave. has the best surf along OB and my personal fav.!.....I'll keep an EYE open for it.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: dilbeck on September 04, 2008, 02:33:49 PM
An apparent sighting of The Landlord has closed Stinson Beach.

The article quotes an individual as having spotted an "8 to 10 foot shark, possibly a Great White". Accounting for the usual exaggeration that goes with fish stories, this could easily have been a big Leopard? Or a salmon shark?

 :smt005 HA! You nailed it NB. Most likely a juvenile GWS or a salmon shark.

I didn't realize Salmon Sharks were found this far south.  Learn something new everyday.  Might help if I had read this thread from beginning to end - someday.

Michael




Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Northern Boy on September 04, 2008, 02:41:32 PM
.  Might help if I had read this thread from beginning to end - someday.

Michael


Probably best to wait til Dec 1st for that.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: amphibian on September 16, 2008, 07:36:55 PM
http://www.elasmo-research.org/education/white_shark/attack_categories.htm
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on November 24, 2008, 05:02:17 PM
Sunny South Africa..........
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9683/attachmentmr2.jpg)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on November 24, 2008, 05:43:34 PM
 :smt118
Sunny South Africa..........
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9683/attachmentmr2.jpg)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on November 24, 2008, 05:50:56 PM
from coastside at the farallons today


[youtube=425,350]<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/L2EREP4MBV0&hl=en&fs=1[/youtube]

(http://www.coastsidefishingclub.com/forums/user_uploads/676973-Picture3.png)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Northern Boy on November 25, 2008, 06:52:41 AM
That is soooooooooooo amazing. I would love to see that (from the relative safety of a PB). Maybe I'll have to close out the RF season with a PB trip to the Farrallons.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: DaveW on November 25, 2008, 09:38:47 AM
That is soooooooooooo amazing. I would love to see that (from the relative safety of a PB). Maybe I'll have to close out the RF season with a PB trip to the Farrallons.

As they said in Jaws, make sure you have a big enough boat.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: polepole on November 25, 2008, 09:54:30 AM
Earlier this fall I went out on a shark diving trip out there.  Spent the day sitting in a cage staring at murky water.   :smt009  But at one point in the day we saw a frenzy of birds in the distance.  Pulled anchor and ran on them to catch the very tail end of a shark finishing off a snack.  Apparently this is a daily occurrence at the Farallons at this time of year.

-Allen
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on November 25, 2008, 10:10:34 AM
Amazing posts sharky. Love the pic of the guys chillin on yaks... nutty! That video is intense. Hey Pole, what the name of the company that took you out there?

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: polepole on November 25, 2008, 10:59:39 AM
Hey Pole, what the name of the company that took you out there?

http://www.greatwhiteadventures.com/
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on November 25, 2008, 11:06:14 AM
Thanks Pole. Looks cool. Maybe I can talk the boss into going on the topside observer trip.

Found some incredible videos of the big whitey's.
http://www.arkive.org/great-white-shark/carcharodon-carcharias/video-12.html?offset=0px

Looks like in this one the GWS ripped the head off a seal and has it in it's mouth. GNAR!!
(http://www.northwestkayakanglers.com/gallery/62_25_11_08_1_09_58.png)

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Northern Boy on November 25, 2008, 11:49:53 AM
Hey Pole, what the name of the company that took you out there?

http://www.greatwhiteadventures.com/

I called them; their season for this year is over.
Pfffff. Rockfishing boat it is then.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bird on November 25, 2008, 10:44:19 PM
I think it may have been mentioned earlier on this thread or maybe another thread but a good read on the Fall congregation of GWS at the Farallones is in a recent book (2005) called "The Devil's Teeth" by Susan Casey.  Gets into shark biology plus research-management-recreation issues. Very cool shark facts, interesting story, and good overview of management/conservation issues.  Worth a read IMHO.   
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on November 28, 2008, 04:04:06 PM
Z, thanx for that archive..great footage......
Title: Re: Half Moon Bay 12-11-05
Post by: Squidder K on November 28, 2008, 05:07:29 PM
Bluekayak, stop talking about sharks and go answer my darn salmon trolling questions!
I want to know how much line to start with, and what you do after 30 minutes of
not catching anything. If you would stick to the knitting we wouldn't be getting in trouble here!

okay, for the rest of you:

I scared Abking? wow!   :smt004

For myself, I intend to fish pretty much every spot except the aNo island itself.
And that's mainly because those pinnipeds stink and those darn pelicans
poop on you.

So Bill, I'll see you out there,  :smt006.

But I agree with Mooch. There will be an encounter in the next 5 years. I'll lay
money down on that one. And it's speculation but common sense says there are more sharks.
The number of attacks is definitely on the increase. Bill you make a mistake when you look at
the last 150 years. try looking at just the last two!

I think there are more sharks out there these days due to protection and a more
healthy ecosystem. 20 juvenile (5ft) white sharks were sighted feasting on grunion just
a few years ago. for example.

There are quite a pile ofnewbs paddling out on cute primary colored plastic boats to fish, me
included, and also a few burly outdoorsmen types like abking and bluekayak and scwafish among others.
but we are all on a collision path with the protected and increasing GWS.

Will the enounter be fatal when it happens? I doubt it. If you see the fish first,
then either it's a driveby or maybe you get bumped or the fish nibbles on
the front or back. In that scenario, you are probably okay. In the other case where it
does the polaris missle attack on you because you look like a nice thing to eat,
well hopefully you don't get bit or impacted too bad. The shark probably won't
come back after it figures out it made a mistake and hit a plastic imitation of something
good to eat. Either way you stand a good chance of avoiding direct munchification.

So that's why I'm going fishing. Cause I think I'll live through whatever happens.

But you never know.

(I'd really like to know the details on this kayak death in 1989 in malibu).

Unlike scallen, I feel safer on a 15foot kayak even 3 miles out than I do
on a 6'6" hunk of foam sunk up to my sternum, at least as far as the survivablity goes.

I also don't use a radio, a gps, a pfd, file a float plan and I fish alone at times. hey I
surf, it's no worse than that.  I might get a compass tho.

But I have some limits.

I probably won't ab dive. Randy Fry's head washed up 3 days later. somebody
found it while walking the beach. my head gets bitten off, I want to be in
deep water where they never find it.

I cringe watching a newb or kid head out into danger unawares.

I got two boys and they aren't doing anything too crazy until they are old enough to tell me
to eFF off.

more scary stories:

My parter in my company is 45 and has lived in the area for 45 years, windsurfing a number of
them and even having a windsurfing store in berkely.

he claims the distinct pleasure of seeing 3 GWS up close and personal:

1. davenport. small, 12 foot. while windsurfing.

2. natural bridges. huge. bus-like. while windsurfing,
went directly over it. he windsurfs less now.

3. new brighton. surfaced right near shore and scared
the bejeezus out of people for miles. this was about 30 years ago.

How many degress of Kevin Bacon do you have to go to get to a GWS witness?
 :smt003



I have a rule I try to live by: Never step down the food chain... unless properly armed!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on December 17, 2008, 09:34:40 PM
According to the e-mail I got this from, it's a real photo from where else, South Africa where The Brittish Navy was doing a little training, unknown if the GWS went hungry...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on December 17, 2008, 09:36:31 PM
Surf report..... :smt009
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Eric B on December 18, 2008, 09:52:16 AM
The copter photo's a fake, and the shadow in the wave by the surfer is a dolphin.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on December 18, 2008, 10:28:00 AM
The copter photo's a fake, and the shadow in the wave by the surfer is a dolphin.

Maybe, I was just going by the caption, it sure looks a bit strange...

and I think your also right about the shape in the wave, sure is large though....
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Eric B on December 18, 2008, 10:57:45 AM
http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/surfer.asp (http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/surfer.asp)

They also have a deal on the fake copter pic.

Easy way to spot the scary kind of fin is the jagged trailing edge.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on December 18, 2008, 11:23:24 AM
They also have a deal on the fake copter pic.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/shark.asp
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on December 18, 2008, 01:28:50 PM
Thanks Guys....

 Wanted to put it up to our own MythBusters...

  " Busted!!!! '

 Hey Zee, are you making it down this way soon?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Dan V on December 18, 2008, 02:25:57 PM
According to the e-mail I got this from, it's a real photo from where else, South Africa where The Brittish Navy was doing a little training, unknown if the GWS went hungry...


That phoney picture has been out for years , South Africa ? Only if the Golden Gate Bridge is in S. Africa ! Thats the north end of the GG , just off of Ft. Baker Pier .
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on December 18, 2008, 03:36:21 PM
Thanks Guys....

 Wanted to put it up to our own MythBusters...

  " Busted!!!! '

 Hey Zee, are you making it down this way soon?

Yep, busted! I'll be down that way, Fri-Sun, for the ISE show in San Mateo. Thanks for the help w/ the WheelEz!!!

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on December 18, 2008, 05:06:55 PM
Quote
South Africa ? Only if the Golden Gate Bridge is in S. Africa

 That was my first thought when I saw it, but I've never been to south Africa, I'm heavily medicated at the moment so it all sounds good to me :hippy2:


 
Quote
I'll be down that way, Fri-Sun, for the ISE show in San Mateo. Thanks for the help w/ the WheelEz!!!

 Right on Zee!!! I will get you and your wheels together, don't worry about the bad set, we'll let wheelezz eat those.... :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mikechin on December 23, 2008, 11:07:54 AM
A group of Bay Area Sea Kayakers (I'm a member) were surfing Dillon Beach I guess Saturday 12/20, one of them Tony had his paddle smacked hard by a GW. He got a good look at the dorsal fin. They all made it back to shore without any further contact or any injuries (or indeed any damage to the paddle).

If I recollect correctly, this happened at the end of the day that included paddling around Bird's rock at Tomales Point. It was a calm day, these were all very experienced paddlers, but I personally don't paddle that area anymore because of it's GW history.

By my count that makes the 4th or 5th GW BASK incident since the 90's.

If folks are interested I can email Tony to see if he'll let me quote his story here.

mikechin
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jmairey on December 23, 2008, 11:25:24 AM

Yeah, get that BASK story copied here please.

tomales point is ground zero for GWS-human attacks. 7 I think? most divers.

John
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mikechin on December 25, 2008, 05:40:16 PM
The Dillon beach incident is at
http://www.sharkresearchcommittee.com/pacific_coast_shark_news.htm

mikechin
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Northern Boy on December 26, 2008, 01:20:20 AM
jmairey! what's shakin?

The homepage for bask is      http://www.baskers.org/frame.html

hit 'articles' on the left

In the list it's 'the one that let us get away' and 'jaws 2'

I was going to copy it but I saw the copyright at the bottom

Oh my god. How have I never seen those before!?

I guess Ano Nuevo and Tomales Head are about the sharkiest places on our sharky coast.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: piski on December 28, 2008, 02:14:14 PM
Aussie kayak fisherman knocked into water by GWS

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=11283537 (http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/index.php?cl=11283537)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: littoral on December 29, 2008, 07:18:27 AM
The definition of "Irony": (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/28/australia-sharks-attacks) [ahy-ruh-nee], –noun
1. A man who had campaigned for many years for the protection of sharks becomes a meal for the landlord.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: SandMan on December 29, 2008, 08:54:30 AM
Anyone notice that the Aussie kayak fisherman that got knocked in the water was on a Hobie and had his fins deployed? 

Looking at the numbers (not good); 2 known kayak fishermen shark attacks = 2 Hobie's with fins.  The good news is that after they taste the plastic they go away.  I hope they don't figure out that the flavor is in the stuffing not the shell...like a tamale.  LOL

The big GWS that's cruising Pigeon Point is probably keeping his eye on the seals that hang out on the big rock just south of the cove where we usually launch from.  When we were there in November I remember seeing lots of seals out in the water and wondering when elephant seal activity was going to pick up at Ano Nuevo.  The catch of the day was Etienne's big ling but not much in the way of Dungies, which is what we were really after.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on January 04, 2009, 01:28:21 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2008/dec/29/shark-australia-sydney-kayakers
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: MR. MAGOO on January 05, 2009, 04:37:10 PM
A local got his paddle hit by a big one in the mouth of Tomales two weekends ago. I think it was a  gaggle from BASK. The guy had just left his group to go in to Dillon because he didn't want to surf with the others. I think he paddled back to be with his friends pretty quickly. I haven't looked on BASK but I heard there were some long threads on the incident. Lurker Magoo.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on January 06, 2009, 05:11:41 PM
Mooch! Let's go to Sydney!

VAMOS AMIGO!!!  :smt045
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on January 06, 2009, 08:59:58 PM
Quote
keep buying those lottos, I'll let you know when one comes through

 Amen Bro ... Amen   :smt004
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Usagi on January 14, 2009, 08:49:26 AM
Saw this on ABC this morning during a bit about the rise in GW attacks in Australia.  Am I the only one who spent more time checking out how they rigged their yaks Down Unda than looking at the shark?  :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PISCEAN on January 14, 2009, 01:46:40 PM
No milk crates?  
but still a lot of stuff there for a shark to get his teeth caught on :cowboy_smoke:
Man, that shark going by like that makes you just want to pop off a big crossbow into its eyeball

Daaaang. That fish had no fear a-tall.
That sucker was pretty confident! Yikes!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fish Flogger on January 14, 2009, 02:07:00 PM
Daaaang. That fish had no fear a-tall.
That sucker was pretty confident! Yikes!

If I were the 2nd scariest fish in the ocean I'd be pretty confident too.

-FF
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: CaptainKayak on February 07, 2009, 08:57:14 AM
I found this on kayakAngler online. The attacks are trending up.  :angry7:

Disturbing Statistics for Shark Attacks
With shark attack statistics recently released for 2008, a disturbing trend in attack frequency
continues to worry West Coast water-lovers. There were five unprovoked shark attacks
confirmed on the Pacific Coast of North America during 2008, bringing the total number of shark
attacks in this region since 2000 to 42. The Shark Research Committee says this is “more than
five times” the twentieth century annual average.
In 2008, the victims included two surfers, two kayakers and one swimmer. The deadly attack on
swimmer David Martin at Solana Beach in April was the third fatality confirmed for the 21st
century.
The most recent victim in the new report was Tony Johnson, who was kayaking near Tomales
Head at Dillon Beach, California, on December 20th, 2008. He was the eighth kayaker to be
attacked off the Pacific Coast since the first reported incident in 1989. Since 2000, kayakers
accounted for seven per cent of shark attack victims in California and Oregon, while surfers
were still the most common targets at 76 per cent.
The Great White Shark was positively identified as the causal species in all of the 2008 attacks.
According to Shark Attacks of the Twentieth Century, Great Whites were also implicated in 87
per cent of the attacks from 1900 to 1999 with an annual average of slightly more than one
attack per year.
The number of juvenile and adult Great White Sharks observed in the Southern California area
during 2008 suggests a possible change in their population dynamics and seasonal site
preferences. The location, seasonality and number of stranded marine mammal carcasses
seem to support this observation. All of this may be bringing the sharks in closer contact with
people.
For more information visit: www.sharkresearchcommittee.com
1 / 1
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mickfish on February 07, 2009, 09:21:12 AM
Quote
There were five unprovoked shark attacks
How many provoked attacks were there? :smt064
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bushy on February 07, 2009, 07:38:01 PM
I found this on kayakAngler online. The attacks are trending up.   [/i][/i]

More people in the water more often.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bajareefer on February 08, 2009, 11:14:35 AM
I grew up diving at Greyhound Rock, New Years Island and Halfmoon Bay because as a kid with little money, I had to stay close to home. I mean, back then Woolco gas cost 25 cents a gallon !
My brother and I dove these spots dozens of time, speared many rockfish [ especially big grass rocks] lings and cabezon and never had a shark experience at all.

I think that since then, the ever increasing biomass of pinnipeds in the water [ thanks Marine Mammal Protection Act] and of course the ever increasing biomass of hominids in the water are ever so steadiliy ratcheting up the threat matrix.

I grew up unafraid of the possibiliy of my own shark story in the Bay Area...and yet as I grow older and wiser, I am starting to consider them as a greater issue.

I am rational to fault and yet I thank the odds are slowly shifting.
 If he ever read this post, I am sure that the diving communities best spokesman, Randy Fry [ RIP] would argue against me.

When a GWS took him and I suddenly felt a lot less invincible.
 Steve




Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Andy1976 on February 09, 2009, 11:50:37 AM
Several friends on the Big Island have been followed recently by big tiger sharks.  No attacks just follows as far as I know.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Eric B on February 09, 2009, 12:31:49 PM
I have to remember to never read this thread before bedtime.

Steve's post was the last thing I read last night...  not my best night's sleep.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bajareefer on February 09, 2009, 02:17:52 PM
Sorry for my darker musings of late....,
 I love kayaking!
Driving to the beach site is still the most dangerous thing about kayaking far and away!
60,000 car accident deaths on the road last year and 2 or 3 for the sharks.
 Steve
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Eric B on February 09, 2009, 03:56:18 PM
Well the good news is when i woke up I vowed to never pack an egg crate on the ocean....  if and when... The fewer obstacles the better.

I see a lot of kayaks rigged so it would be tough to climb back on... at least for me.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bushy on February 13, 2009, 05:26:33 PM
bluekayak:

I think you are correct, more GWS in this area, and I think it's due to the resurgance of pinnipeds over the past 30 yrs or so.

I can find those figures if you want them.

I still believe generally, the increase in iteractions is due to more of us in the water, then it is to more of them in the water.....(I just hate research..)

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on February 17, 2009, 02:18:36 PM
Sorry for my darker musings of late....,
 I love kayaking!
Driving to the beach site is still the most dangerous thing about kayaking far and away!
60,000 car accident deaths on the road last year and 2 or 3 for the sharks.
 Steve
not all of those car deaths occured while in transit to the beach only a small percent. And of those cars only a minor percentage carried dedicated yakkers/divers/surfers.
Ive said this on this thread before. Out of my group of friends stretching back to junior school days of water people, cars vs sharks (debilitation or death), the cars take it by about 2/3. If you add drowings in, its about  50/50, with the ocean taking more lives and cars and cars debilitating more.Thats just me.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Eric B on February 17, 2009, 04:10:27 PM
True about statistics...  I hear people use the "well you have a better chance of getting struck by lightning.." example and I wonder well what if you are on a lake in a thunderstorm?  Kinda skews the whole thing, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: calbear on February 17, 2009, 05:21:38 PM
Has anyone seen great white shark surfer? Google great white shark surfer and a youtube video should come up.I havent read the whole thread on this topic(31 pages or so) so Im not sure if this has already been brought up. Also Im new to posting so Im not sure how to post a link. Will learn though, anyways all should check this guy out.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: calbear on February 17, 2009, 05:42:30 PM
With the red wetsuit the guy reminds me of one of the incredibles
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mickfish on February 19, 2009, 08:27:41 PM
Shark attacks worldwide dropped in 2008


http://www1.pressdemocrat.com/article/20090219/NEWS/902190976/1350?Title=Report-Shark-attacks-drop-in-08
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: jwsmith on February 20, 2009, 01:07:45 PM
$.25/gallon gas.. :smt001...
Bajareefer ..... must be older than the hills.

I remember $.32/gallon gas and cigarette-vending-machines that took a quarter.

Judd
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: piski on June 05, 2009, 06:07:47 PM
North America's Top Shark-Attack Beaches - Forbes Traveler

Click Launch Slideshow for a run through their list:
http://www.forbestraveler.com/islands-beaches/americas-shark-beaches-2009-story.html
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: piski on June 21, 2009, 11:43:37 PM
Study: Great white sharks stalk victims and hunt strategically
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090622/ap_on_sc/us_sci_killers___sharks
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: stuppid on July 10, 2009, 11:59:52 AM
Does anyone have any statistics of attacks based on kayak color?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: porky (bp) on July 10, 2009, 12:34:44 PM
this is one freaky ass thread!

My guess would be YELLOW, since seems most people have that color.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Rock Hopper on August 04, 2009, 04:24:58 PM
Does anyone have any statistics of attacks based on kayak color?

Most attacks on kayaks are on red kayaks!

(J/K...saw your av pic.)   :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: calbear on August 21, 2009, 10:24:41 AM
GWS sighting yesterday 8-20-09 in Aptos That's the second in this area (that I've heard of) in the last two weeks
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: porky (bp) on August 21, 2009, 11:01:17 AM
there creepin! Ill be fishing the area tomorrow, hopefully shark free!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on August 24, 2009, 12:43:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xm6Bm6MSkKA&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on August 24, 2009, 11:35:44 AM
WOW,thanx Mooch!
"time to deploy the SS"......yea no $#!?...that would scare  the craqp outta me!! Straight to dry land and the nearest source of beer.
Ive heard rumors those Aussies have been using home made SS. The device isn't that complicated and is very similar to an electric fence. Seems to have worked.
That guy was on a Hobie, with outrigger and trampoline. Coulda been different on a monohull yak. I guess pedaling up on a feedin White ain't advisable  :smt005  :smt005
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on August 24, 2009, 11:47:21 AM
Yakass is a pretty fitting name. :smt044 That guy deserves what he gets being ignorant like that.

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: calbear on August 24, 2009, 02:54:03 PM
I agree
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Darius (Burong Isda) on August 24, 2009, 04:36:56 PM
If that was me I would have definitely JAI BOI on my pants!  :smt044 :smt044 :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: baitNbeer on August 31, 2009, 05:32:27 PM
hahahaha that dudes a fool! at least he didnt start screamin like i might of!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bushy on August 31, 2009, 05:52:26 PM
I  likwe the fact that, whiole he was being followed and looking around fro the great white, he was still trolling.  Look at his rod.

there's a little bit of class, I say.

Allen

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: baitNbeer on August 31, 2009, 06:07:15 PM
thats what i was thinkin too  , this guy actually earned "cool points" IMO
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PJ on August 31, 2009, 08:16:38 PM
this was photographed off Cambria a couple days ago.  some divers in a zodiac shot it after they saw a huge splash & a pool of blood around a seal.  said it was at least 13' long. YIKESSS!!!

PJ
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bushy on August 31, 2009, 09:51:45 PM
yeah so  much for the myth that GWs won't be in the kelp....
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: AlgieSwift on August 31, 2009, 10:17:35 PM
"time to deploy the SS"......yea no $#!?...that would scare  the craqp outta me!! Straight to dry land and the nearest source of beer.
Ive heard rumors those Aussies have been using home made SS. The device isn't that complicated and is very similar to an electric fence. Seems to have worked.

Actually, his "shark shield" is a Hobie stakeout pole!  :smt044 He has since bought a real one.

His write up is available at:

http://yakabout.com.au/home/content/view/1270/1/

and the post mortem:

http://yakabout.com.au/home/content/view/1273/1/
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on September 03, 2009, 10:51:38 AM
AS, thanx for that follow up. Seems the guy knows what he did wrong, and I bet he wont repeat it.

One thing i found strange: he said it took no interest in the Mdrive, but then said it took interest in HIM.

Take it from someone who has stared into those black holes of hell death they sport as eyes, its hard to get a handle on exactly what they are looking at.

The MDrive is directly below him. After watching the vid in HD on a fast puter, it really looked like that fish made a move on the drive when it pulled up next to him.

Its hard to tell on a choppy inet vid, and he was the one who was there, so Ill take his word for it.....................
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Level 4 on September 04, 2009, 09:44:37 AM
Any more info or photos of the GWS in Cambria?
Thanks Level 4
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on September 04, 2009, 09:54:05 AM
yeah so  much for the myth that GWs won't be in the kelp....

I was thinking the same thing! By the look of the pic I guess the rule now is the outside 20 yards of the kelp line. :smt003

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: littoral on September 07, 2009, 04:10:38 PM
Any more info or photos of the GWS in Cambria?
Thanks Level 4

Here's the original post (http://www.fishreports.net/cgi-bin/fishing-board/show.cgi?tpc=93&post=34038#POST34038)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on September 12, 2009, 11:28:45 AM
yeah so  much for the myth that GWs won't be in the kelp....

I was thinking the same thing! By the look of the pic I guess the rule now is the outside 20 yards of the kelp line. :smt003

Z
Z, its funny, down in Cape Town Ive run into them while diving Abs/Rock Lobster (after the attack). They did seem to cruise the edge of the kelp, and didnt seem to want to venture into it. Now it seems to methey just didnt have any reason to beat it through the kelp at the time.

There is very little on this earth more frightening than dropping down 30ft on the edge of the kelp, popping an Ab, having a shadow pass over you, looking up and seeing it cruising above you. Suddenly that burning sensation in your lungs dosent seem to be your biggest problem.  :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Level 4 on September 16, 2009, 08:21:22 AM
sharky.Where does Adam the friend who saved you live?Do you guys still communicate?
Thanks Level 4
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on September 16, 2009, 07:52:29 PM
Z, its funny, down in Cape Town Ive run into them while diving Abs/Rock Lobster (after the attack). They did seem to cruise the edge of the kelp, and didnt seem to want to venture into it. Now it seems to methey just didnt have any reason to beat it through the kelp at the time.
For sure. If there's a reason I'm sure a little kelp wouldn't keep 'em out. Is there a timing in SAF when there's more sharks than others? Kind of like how the GWS hang out in the fall and then take off on the "superhighway" once winter hits.

Interesting article and video about GWS migration: http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/02/080219-endangered-sharks.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbqew76Msno

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on October 07, 2009, 09:45:57 AM
Is there a timing in SAF when there's more sharks than others? Kind of like how the GWS hang out in the fall and then take off on the "superhighway" once winter hits.

Z

Z, The water in the cape is sooo similar to cen cal its wierd. The Cape Fur Seal (actually a sealion, named seal to sell the pups fur) is very similar to the California sealion. They are more scarce during the winter/early spring, but they are always there. Havent seen any tagging info like we have for the Farralones population.

Level 4, I have very little contact with Adam, I do chat with his brother and sister often. Unfortunatly Adam has become a homeless crack addict. Many of us from my generation bear some serious mental scars from the F#^ked up S#1T of the Apartheid era and Angolan Bush War. A large percentage of us that have kept it more or less together have found themselves in super high risk occupations like oil/diamond diving, mercenaries and commercial fishermen.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PISCEAN on October 20, 2009, 10:51:49 AM
Well, I finally had something to add here!
And that is...well, I saw one maybe two GWS's this year.

One out in 98ft off of the "birdsheet rock" reef North the Bean Hollow Launch, however I could not get a positive ID. All I saw was a dark shape about 30-40 yards off, part of a fin, and then boils on the surface from the animal swimming. Probably wasn't a sealion as it never came up for air. We had just begun to fish & I had no active FF or fish aboard.

The second sighting was more memorable. Approximately 12-14 foot GWS scoped me with two drive by's only 3-4ft below the surface, and then proceeded to track along behind my kayak (with it's dorsal fin clearly visible) for maybe 10 seconds or so (but it felt like an hour!). Aaron & Bassmanben were there, and the fish dropped away after we paddled in to about 30 feet of water in from about 50FOW. We didn't see it the rest of the day. Again, I had not yet retained any fish yet (though my companions had), and I was not using a FF.

It's been quite an ending to the N of PP rockfish season!
Both of these sightings/encounters were in October north of Pigeon point.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on October 27, 2009, 03:40:30 PM
White bites White...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQtYO1LDalE&feature=player_embedded

anyone else see the irony in protecting them AND setting lethal shark nets and oversized mousetraps?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: littoral on October 30, 2009, 06:25:55 AM
We had just begun to fish & I had no active FF or fish aboard.
... and I was not using a FF.


PISCEAN

Have you heard of a correlation between shark encounters and sonar?

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PISCEAN on October 30, 2009, 09:35:51 AM
We had just begun to fish & I had no active FF or fish aboard.
... and I was not using a FF.


PISCEAN

Have you heard of a correlation between shark encounters and sonar?



I haven't, but it was something i got asked a few times when I told the story.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on October 30, 2009, 09:42:47 AM
We had just begun to fish & I had no active FF or fish aboard.
... and I was not using a FF.


PISCEAN

Have you heard of a correlation between shark encounters and sonar?



I haven't, but it was something i got asked a few times when I told the story.




This question, along with the shark shield has come up, if the shark shield is putting out an electrical field that " possibly " attracts sharks, why wouldn't a FF???

 I strongly feel, the world will never know,

Probably best to smile and show Him/Her your Fishing License...  :smt001

 

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bmb on October 30, 2009, 10:21:53 AM
what a great idea...get the GWS to enforce DFG regs.  no one would ever poach again!  Sean, lets go out to BH and talk to your buddy again out there...see if he can help us out to give the wardens a break.
 :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Andy1976 on November 03, 2009, 08:36:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNx0W2Ur2yY
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: MontanaN8V on November 04, 2009, 07:01:10 AM
How many licks does it take to get to the chewy center? :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: LapuLapu on November 04, 2009, 07:42:47 AM
Interesting GWS study.  Pretty much validates why some of us are crossing their paths at this time of the year. See link.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2009/11/04/MN751AE8D7.DTL&o=2
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: MontanaN8V on November 04, 2009, 12:09:37 PM
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/04/MN751AE8D7.DTL (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/04/MN751AE8D7.DTL)

Interesting article, I figured they would come inside the bay.  It also says they are a uniquely evolved species in the pacific.  More reason to shut down fishing if the wrong people get a hold of that info! :smt012
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: DaveW on November 04, 2009, 01:56:03 PM
I think it was interesting that these Whites don't interbreed with any other GWS population.  According to the article, they've been distinct for nearly 200,000 years.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: LapuLapu on November 04, 2009, 05:23:50 PM
I think it was interesting that these Whites don't interbreed with any other GWS population.  According to the article, they've been distinct for nearly 200,000 years.

They probably ust want to eat anything that's not their own kind.  Self preservation. It's unbelievable that they stayed in this area that long without interbreeding.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: piski on November 04, 2009, 06:40:13 PM
Excellent graphic of the migratory patterns. Clearly shows them congregating on the coast over winter.
I was actually surprised that they were marked inside the bay, although it only make sense that a few would wander into the bay on occasion.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on November 06, 2009, 02:23:32 PM
With all the pinnipeds at Pier 39 it's not that surprising that the GWS would follow. Probably a good thing. Front row seats to shark attacks on seals... now that's tourism!! :smt003

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bsteves on November 06, 2009, 03:43:25 PM
If anyone wants to read the scientific article mentioned in this newspaper story..

http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2009/10/29/rspb.2009.1155.full.pdf (http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2009/10/29/rspb.2009.1155.full.pdf)

Brian
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Marmite on November 07, 2009, 10:00:12 AM
Pro surfer in California says shark broke his board — and his nerve


http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13734015?source=most_viewed (http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_13734015?source=most_viewed)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Sailfish on November 07, 2009, 11:26:04 AM
Kayaker attacked by great white shark!     

Written by Tim Shuff     
Monday, 02 November 2009 09:26 

A man kayaking off of Portland, Australia, was attacked by a 12-foot-long great white shark on Friday. 

The Australian newspaper The Age reported that Rhys Gadsden, 27, was out for a morning paddle when the shark surfaced and clamped down on the bow of his kayak, a plastic Dagger sit-inside.

Gadsden clubbed the shark on the head with his paddle until it let go of the boat. The shark then bumped Gadsden, who fell out of the kayak into the water. 

Gadsden was terrified that the shark would return and attack him in the water. He was left floating in a panic for 15 minutes, but the shark disappeared and Gadsden was rescued by a nearby boat.

The attack left puncture holes in his kayak.

The newspaper reported that Gadsden's friends have taken to calling him "shark bait."  :smt044
 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: piski on November 07, 2009, 12:15:44 PM
Quote from: Marmite
Pro surfer in California says shark broke his board — and his nerve

Gets hit in Davenport, so where do they dump him next? Año Nuevo!!!   :smt010  Might wanna reconsider his sponsors!

"Geiselman said he is just happy to be alive. He spent Friday afternoon surfing with friends off Año Nuevo filming footage for his sponsors."
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on November 08, 2009, 08:35:18 AM

The newspaper reported that Gadsden's friends have taken to calling him "shark bait."  :smt044
 

Ive heard that one before  :smt005
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on November 08, 2009, 08:58:50 AM
If anyone wants to read the scientific article mentioned in this newspaper story..

http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2009/10/29/rspb.2009.1155.full.pdf (http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2009/10/29/rspb.2009.1155.full.pdf)

Brian

Thanx for that Brian!

 You actually told all of us here at NCKA about a year ago that our population was distinct and did not intermix with other populations. I think it came up in a discussion about black and white cammo to discourage attacks by GWS (you had a fancy word for this color scheme..aposetic or something). I had actually asked how long they had been separate, i know now. Do they not encounter poisonous prey species with black and white coloring when they are off Hawaii?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on November 09, 2009, 09:51:56 AM
No doubt. His sponsors are throwing him in some of the sketchiest places north of SC. I've run into sharks surfing at both spots. Just a note on that broken board. While it looks amazing to be broken modern shortboards are pretty weak. Especially ones that pro's use. They sacrifice strength for weight by leaving off layer/layers of fiberglass. So fragile that some surfers call pro's boards potato chip boards.

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: porky (bp) on November 09, 2009, 11:32:50 AM
oh yeah, scary spot to be danglin your body in the water..

I saw this kid last week, I actually work for Fox Racing too, scray stuff, glad hes alive and well!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on November 20, 2009, 10:00:06 AM
This 14 footer was caught less than a mile from where I was attacked. In fact I was surfing just below the lighthouse you can see in the background. Does anyone see the irony in the SA govt. protecting the GW, and yet spanning miles and miles of "shark nets" at popular tourist beach destinations. I put "shark nets" in parentesies because they could just as easily be called seal, dolphin or turtle nets as these species get caught as often as sharks.



Monster great white shark caught in South Africa not yet fully grown

The Daily Telegraph

October 30, 2009 05:22pm

This monster great white had already grown to a weight of around 700kg when it was caught in shark nets / Snapper Media

4.3m great white caught off South Africa
Scientists say it was not fully grown
Was already 700kg when caught in nets
FISHERMEN are asking if this is the massive great white shark that has been stealing their catch, breaching repeatedly within metres of one terrified man's surf ski.

These photographs of the 4.3m monster have been circulating on the internet, but reports from the South African fishing town of Mossel Bay confirm they are no hoax.

Frighteningly, scientists who dissected the female shark say it was adolescent and not yet fully grown, The Daily Telegraph reports.

Still, it had already grown to a weight of around 700kg when it was caught in shark nets off a popular swimming beach on August 31.

Conservation authorities tried to save the disoriented creature by towing it out to sea but it swam back, became entangled again and died.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: littoral on December 04, 2009, 05:50:30 PM
The next time you get spooked, just think of this....
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bwodun on December 05, 2009, 09:32:15 AM
 :smt044 :smt044 :smt044 :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: promethean_spark on December 05, 2009, 11:42:49 PM
Here's a video about an incident where a killer whale killed a white shark at the farallons.  Go orcas!
http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/killer-whale-attacks-great-white/26i337r7
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: LMUdave on December 08, 2009, 02:57:03 PM
The next time you get spooked, just think of this....

   This is seriously making me laugh out loud at work!  I really want to photoshop one with a gold tooth in there
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: - on December 08, 2009, 03:07:37 PM
The next time you get spooked, just think of this....

OMG, good one.  Billy Bob teeth for whitey!   :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Usagi on June 08, 2010, 03:56:45 PM
http://www.primermagazine.com/2010/field-manual/what-is-the-largest-great-white-shark-ever-recorded (http://www.primermagazine.com/2010/field-manual/what-is-the-largest-great-white-shark-ever-recorded)

According to the Discovery Channel, the world’s largest accurately measured Great White was 20 feet long, caught off Prince Edward Island in Canada in 1988 (experts believe that 20 feet is probably the maximum size for a great white). Unfortunately for fishermen hoping to set records, most Great Whites measure between 13 and 16 feet (and under 3000 pounds).

That's it?  Man, now I'm not even scared anymore...

 :shark
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: MontanaN8V on June 25, 2010, 02:07:49 PM
Pretty sure I will spontaneously crap my shorts with a 13' landlord chewing on my yak.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fisherman X on August 01, 2010, 10:52:10 AM
Interesting video and information coming out of latest Shark Week series, GWS thread the needle in attacks, see video below:


Ultimate Air Jaws

UK Premiere One-Off, Sunday 22nd August, 9pm

Previous Image 8 / 10 Next


(http://press.discovery.com/media/cache/slideshow_image/19272_Ultimate_AJ_27.jpg)

World-renowned shark photographer Chris Fallows is attempting to understand why great white sharks come in close to shore of the coast of Mossel Bay in South Africa. During his year long expedition, he discovers that great whites spend a lot of their free time in the shallow waters around this, and other, very popular tourist beaches. Using high-speed HD cameras, a submarine and a remotely operated helicopter to track the incredible agility and velocity of ‘Air Jaws’ - great white sharks that jump clear out of the water – Fellows captures incredible footage of these twenty-foot, two-tonne fish propelling themselves into the air. And, he risks his life and limb climbing into a kayak and paddling out for a closer look at these deadly predators.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPDu0TvUtAU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPDu0TvUtAU)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Sin Coast on August 02, 2010, 01:45:48 PM
I saw that one last night. As they were showing Mossel Bay (and its own Seal Island), I couldn't help but wonder...isn't that the place where Sharky was hit?!
Title: Surfer Bleeds to Death After Grisly Shark Attack Off Australian Coast
Post by: Marmite on August 17, 2010, 08:12:30 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/08/17/surfer-bleeds-death-grisly-shark-attack-australian-coast/?test=latestnews
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on August 20, 2010, 03:23:44 PM
mcag wrote on Adams thread:
Quote
I used to be kind of a jerk about fish finders and milk crates, but have grown out of it.  Fish finders are pretty cool.  Now I'm just a jerk about other things.  For example, I sulk if I don't catch the first fish.

So I have a few questions that I want to ask.  I never really liked fishing Bean as it always creeped me out.  There are lots of things in the water that scare me, including sharks and pinnipeds.  Bean seems to have both.  However, I have never had a bad feeling at the Dove, EKG or even the jaws (and have always felt OK at 3-mile, 4-mile, and even Davenport, but not so much at Scotts Creek or Waddell).  I know the Dove was one of the last known fatal attacks, but it was north - not south - of the lighthouse (actually, closer to EKG and where Adam got hit than the inside reef).  So is it purely the proximity to Ano (and now, Bean) that has people convinced its sharky?  The relatively flat bottom, lack of a haul-out and lots of kelp leave me thinking its one of the safer spots on the SMC.  Maybe I'm goofy wrong.

My next question is about SharkShield.  I have no problem with people who use one, but I have not been interested in fishing with those who do as I have concerns the device might initially attract sharks.  I also take pause in the company pushing this as "a piece of mind" not a shark deterrent.  Maybe that's just cover-your-ass legalese, I don't know.  But reading about Adam's attack - which with five revolutions with the shark at the bow sure doesn't seem exploratory - has me considering buying one.  The story of the guy off Santa Barbara - in a 17.5 foot boat that got munched - hasn't helped (it was thought that at 15 feet, our boats were big enough to keep the sharks away - obviously not the case).  So I'm wondering what others are thinking here.

Sorry if this is off-topic - I can move this post if it is.

Adam - I think we fished together (well, at the same time) a few years ago at Pigeon - I was in a zodiac I had beach launched though, and you were in your yak.  You lost a ling next to the big rock on a root-beer scampi, I believe - was that you?  Anyway, after your ordeal, I hope you come back out on the water and I get a chance to fish with you in a yak.

mcag, you may or may not know that Ive been munched on. Im a Shark Shield user. Everyone has their own opinion on this device. I ALWAYS use mine on the coast. The unproven theory that they initially attracts is one Im not putting much weight in.Think of their sense of electricity like ours of smell or hearing. Most individuals are not attracted to the smell of a fresh pile of doggy doo or the sound gunfire.
I cant be sure that if im using it, it may piss one off and send it towards someone in my vicinity not using one. I truly hope not. I feel safer using it and believe it works. I know it works on blue sharks and  large threshers schooling on tuna blood. Still im never not scared on the coast, and each trip will bring a few moments of split second sheer panic when i see shadows or furbags....
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on August 20, 2010, 03:26:43 PM
Interesting video and information coming out of latest Shark Week series, GWS thread the needle in attacks, see video below:


Ultimate Air Jaws

UK Premiere One-Off, Sunday 22nd August, 9pm

Previous Image 8 / 10 Next


(http://press.discovery.com/media/cache/slideshow_image/19272_Ultimate_AJ_27.jpg)

World-renowned shark photographer Chris Fallows is attempting to understand why great white sharks come in close to shore of the coast of Mossel Bay in South Africa. During his year long expedition, he discovers that great whites spend a lot of their free time in the shallow waters around this, and other, very popular tourist beaches. Using high-speed HD cameras, a submarine and a remotely operated helicopter to track the incredible agility and velocity of ‘Air Jaws’ - great white sharks that jump clear out of the water – Fellows captures incredible footage of these twenty-foot, two-tonne fish propelling themselves into the air. And, he risks his life and limb climbing into a kayak and paddling out for a closer look at these deadly predators.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPDu0TvUtAU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPDu0TvUtAU)

Dude! i immediately recognized that beach in the photo. i was attacked in Mosselbay about 2 miles from where that shot was taken...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on August 20, 2010, 04:12:30 PM
Sharky - heard about your attack through your good buddy Kirk. INCREDIBLE ORDEAL! Glad you walked away from it brother !!!!!  :smt045
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Howard on August 20, 2010, 06:57:15 PM
Since the Man in the Gray Suit is such a hot topic, I've been doing a bit of reading up like so many others.  Forewarned is forearmed (or a sign of self-delusion... I don't really know :smt002).  The current and past discussions on NCKA have definitely increased my knowledge way beyond what I thought I knew. 

Then I stumbled on the most ironic post I've ever seen.  It is in this very thread (page 26) from a bit over two years ago during a detailed discussion of the Shark Shield.

how about this?             

http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php/topic,2516.msg134064.html#msg134064

The date of the post seemed to be familiar, so I looked at the report on Pacific Coast Shark News:

Quote
Pigeon Point   —   On August 14, 2010 Adam Coca was kayaking off Bean Hollow Beach just North of Pigeon Point, California. It was 10:00 AM and he had been on the water about 1 hour.

It's pretty creepy that Adam's post showing his painted shark shield was made 2-years almost exactly from the date and time of his attack.   :smt087

It's as if the Man Upstairs is sending us all a message.  I very much appreciate Adam's very well done job as the messenger.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FISHADOW on August 21, 2010, 09:19:06 AM
Dude the size of this shark is Really something scary. I dont want to let the cat out of the back. but lets say it could eat my P-15 and have 2 feet of hunger left. maybe stick to the Shallows? yeah or maybe, just maybe.= I may never return to the Bean.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mcag on August 21, 2010, 10:02:50 AM
Sharky - thanks for the reply.  I'm pretty close to making the jump.  After reading a ton on this, my view is it probably won't stop the initial hit, but could keep the shark away on the subsequent bite.  The only issue is that if the yak flips, the unit comes out of the water.  There are some suggestions that turning the unit on after a shark is near will actually agitate it, not deter it.  So maybe I can rig something to address that.  Do you run the antennae through the scupper, or off the back?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on August 21, 2010, 12:04:03 PM
Do you run the antennae through the scupper, or off the back?
Sometimes thro the TW scupper, but I havent done that for awhile as it takes up tw space and if the yak flips its outta the water. I have  cleat just aft of the seat . Tied a piece of rope to it and lash it there. Tried thro the footwell scupper, but because of water in it I get shocked when its there..
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Eric B on August 21, 2010, 12:28:34 PM
Quote
It's as if the Man Upstairs is sending us all a message.

Call it Karma, a miracle, what have you, there's no doubt in my mind after looking at how his feet lined up to the teeth marks, and hearing the estimated weight of the fish, given a million tries what happened could never be duplicated.  Is that a miracle?  If it isn't I don't know what is.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on August 25, 2010, 07:06:45 AM
The paint worked 100% for many of miles of jigging, in many of different palces. I did it in hopes of what happened, would not happen, just like a TestDummy. :smt011
Q~ am i gonna remove MyNaturalShield?
A~ YES!!

Like Eric says,,,,,,there is no dout in my body,mind&soul, that if ANYTHING different took place that day, I would not be here to say "FUCK!"   
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Great Bass 2 on August 25, 2010, 04:06:46 PM
Do you run the antennae through the scupper, or off the back?
Sometimes thro the TW scupper, but I havent done that for awhile as it takes up tw space and if the yak flips its outta the water. I have  cleat just aft of the seat . Tied a piece of rope to it and lash it there. Tried thro the footwell scupper, but because of water in it I get shocked when its there..

I have been attaching it to my ankle and running it through the footwell scupper hole or tossing it over the side after clearing the surf. That way if I get dismounted, the shield goes with me. If I am paddling in kelp, I throw it over the side to reduce resistance.  I wear neoprene socks with light feltsole wading boots which insulates me from the shock. When I first got the shield, I ran it through the tankwell scupper hole and when I reached back to get my game clip I got juiced.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: piski on August 25, 2010, 08:00:01 PM
Quote from: FisHunter
Like Eric says,,,,,,there is no dout in my body,mind&soul, that if ANYTHING different took place that day, I would not be here to say "FUCK!"   

 :smt044   and we're glad you're still around to say it.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on November 04, 2010, 07:42:59 AM
here is the latest on the repair......
I bored out the punctures wounds, roughed-up both inside&outside of said areas. After putting a pc. of tape over the hole from the outside, I applied a MarineTex epoxy,from the inside first. I also cut out all the gouges and tooth scrapes.

pic1~ the $5 stripper i hired to rub the SharkAttracktant off

pic2,3~ 10 through holes and many of deep, almost through gouges.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: redwoodfox on November 04, 2010, 07:46:44 AM
thats crazy!!!!!! I'm glad you came thru that fine.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on November 04, 2010, 07:55:26 AM
pic1~inside view of the holes

pic2~patching them up

pic3~ amount of water inside, after the amusement park ride.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on November 04, 2010, 08:13:59 AM
Those nice guys down south @ Ocean Kayak were so very caring&kind, they sent Outback Adventures, some yellow&red kayak squares and best of luck wishes.
I gouged this pc. almost all the way through and then filled them in w/red.

pic1~ practice square,,,,,yes!I'MtalkingBOUTpractice!

pic2~tools even a caveman could use

pic3~ a cluster of stickers i've had stuck on a file cabnet in theManCave = IRONASSY?!?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: porky (bp) on November 04, 2010, 09:26:48 AM
ScArY dude... super stoked your here to post this!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: The Inn Keeper on November 04, 2010, 10:58:42 AM
Adam,
FYI - I have a commercial plastic welder for you to use if you would like and many pieces of scrap from warranty yaks. The welder would fill those holes and scratches in a few seconds (after a little practice) and will leave the yak looking very clean. If you would like to use it - let me know and I could get it to you A.S.A.P.
Also - If any other NCKA members needs to borrow this feel free to send me a pm.

See Ya soon,
Eric / Yakhopper 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mcag on December 20, 2010, 01:07:52 PM
Do you run the antennae through the scupper, or off the back?
Sometimes thro the TW scupper, but I havent done that for awhile as it takes up tw space and if the yak flips its outta the water. I have  cleat just aft of the seat . Tied a piece of rope to it and lash it there. Tried thro the footwell scupper, but because of water in it I get shocked when its there..

I have been attaching it to my ankle and running it through the footwell scupper hole or tossing it over the side after clearing the surf. That way if I get dismounted, the shield goes with me. If I am paddling in kelp, I throw it over the side to reduce resistance.  I wear neoprene socks with light feltsole wading boots which insulates me from the shock. When I first got the shield, I ran it through the tankwell scupper hole and when I reached back to get my game clip I got juiced.

OK - I am going to go ahead and purchase one, and take the ankle approach.  Any recommended vendors?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bushy on December 21, 2010, 12:40:58 AM
I think you can get one directly from Spike.....

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Sin Coast on December 27, 2010, 02:17:42 PM
1st hand acct of shark attack in Aug 2007 in Marina CA.
The Todd Endris Story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsQeCO7jkFY#)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on December 28, 2010, 07:05:36 AM
HOLY SHIT!!........i feel sooooo fukin LUCKY.   
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ZeeHokkaido on December 28, 2010, 11:35:21 PM
And my message to Reality Radio Productions' cameraman is never use auto focus. :smt044

I so want to make a version like that for the MadmAnaDam!!

Z
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on December 29, 2010, 06:28:24 AM
And my message to Reality Radio Productions' cameraman is never use auto focus. :smt044

I so want to make a version like that for the MadmAnaDam!!

Z
whenever you're ready to shoot Bradah'Bryce.....there is a public access point, that puts us on the beach, right in front of "theSpot" = then they(DSC Chan.) can buy it from you,,,since i did mention "Shark Week" in my post-encounter OTW vid'shoot. :smt002 

Discovery Channel has my contact info......they were the only ones that I thought would want to hear the Real_FisHunter version, but they have not called. Which is cool....i'm not looking for fame at all. :smt009
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mickfish on April 22, 2011, 08:30:48 PM
http://youtu.be/AR95e6lXlNo (http://youtu.be/AR95e6lXlNo)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on June 04, 2011, 12:59:38 PM
Whitey rocks out to AC/DC:

http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-ac-dc-is-the-preferred-music-of-sharks/ (http://www.thefrisky.com/post/246-ac-dc-is-the-preferred-music-of-sharks/)
Title: Re: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on June 04, 2011, 01:03:53 PM
Mossel Bay.
isn't that the place where Sharky was hit?!
Yes Sin, thats the place.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: HOLY TOLEDO on June 15, 2011, 02:38:40 PM
LJ kayak encounter.

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=10536 (http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=10536)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Rock Hopper on June 15, 2011, 04:06:39 PM
LJ kayak encounter.

http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=10536 (http://www.bigwatersedge.com/bwevb/showthread.php?t=10536)

Reading that, then checking out the rest of BWE just made me super glad that we have the community we have here. That site seems to be dying off just like kayak4fish is. Where do most Southerners post now? Or do they just not have the community that we have here?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Mr.Matt on June 15, 2011, 09:51:38 PM
Yeah Dustin the guys on this site are great and consistently post good reports and get together to fish.
Only other site I have seen is one in Sydney, Australia that has a tight nit group of folks...

That's on my bucket list....fish in a yak in Australia! See some sharks for sure then.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: - on July 08, 2011, 05:34:15 PM
What a stupid ass article

http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-40447719 (http://travel.yahoo.com/p-interests-40447719)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: - on July 08, 2011, 05:36:47 PM
and yet i reposted it anyway LOL.  what a sucker
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fish Flogger on July 08, 2011, 06:14:18 PM
Ya, that was pretty lame.

-FF
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on July 19, 2011, 02:56:12 PM
GWS jumps into research vessel.
http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/19/great-white-shark-jumps-boat?cat=world&type=article (http://m.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/19/great-white-shark-jumps-boat?cat=world&type=article)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: beenfishin on July 19, 2011, 05:24:11 PM
Yikes, hope they got that on video!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Red Abalone Diving on December 19, 2011, 06:13:36 AM
What are you guys thoughts on research where GWS are enticed to attach a decoy seal?

Should this type of research and research using bait/blood for tagging of GWS be allowed where popular recreational activities such as abalone diving, kayaking and surfing occur on a on going bases?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on December 19, 2011, 07:14:38 AM
They used to do that at the Farrallon Islands, but that program has stopped. Where are you referring to?
Title: Official GWS Thread
Post by: 9erfan on December 19, 2011, 08:27:11 AM
I heard the bodega marine lab does it around the pt Reyes area. Baiting with blood and bait to tag.

Anthony
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on December 19, 2011, 01:00:08 PM
What could possibly go wrong with teaching intelligent, multi tonne apex predators to associate humans with feeding?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Salty. on December 19, 2011, 07:46:35 PM
If you are refering to what's been going down at Waddel I am absolutely against it. When I read they were allowed to do that right outside one of Cali's major surf breaks I couldn't believe it. People are going to die unless this can be stopped. I am 100% against this practice should be stopped with no exceptions. Jim
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Red Abalone Diving on December 19, 2011, 08:04:05 PM
Wow, the replies are awesome on this subject for not allowing GWS research at well known popular water activity locations.  So thus far no one wants research that perhaps teaches, imprints, associates GWS with humans at Tomales, Pt. Reyes and Waddel. Is there other places that one may feel GWS research should not take place at? Should it GWS research take place at all by using blood/bait or seal decoys?

How many times do we need to see a GWS strike a top water lure right?

Yes we know spilling a lot of blood and baits near a boat attracts GWS or other sharks.

Do you fell that such activities associate GWS to humans?

If enough folks feel that such practices are not in the best interest of public safety something can be done. Shall I start a poll?       
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Salty. on December 19, 2011, 08:32:43 PM
Please start a poll. And I would like to ask those who might respond favorably to 'the question' to please explain how they justify the much greater risk to humans? Besides that fat wad of grant money of course. Would the white shark population be in any danger whatsoever if this tactic were no longer permited? How's about figuring a new way to lure the GW's in to be tagged? I see some new devices on the market this year for freshwater apps. Jim
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: polepole on December 19, 2011, 08:58:46 PM
Wow, the replies are awesome on this subject for not allowing GWS research at well known popular water activity locations.  So thus far no one wants research that perhaps teaches, imprints, associates GWS with humans at Tomales, Pt. Reyes and Waddel. Is there other places that one may feel GWS research should not take place at? Should it GWS research take place at all by using blood/bait or seal decoys?

How many times do we need to see a GWS strike a top water lure right?

Yes we know spilling a lot of blood and baits near a boat attracts GWS or other sharks.

Do you fell that such activities associate GWS to humans?

If enough folks feel that such practices are not in the best interest of public safety something can be done. Shall I start a poll?     

Do they really use blood?  I went on a cage diving trip to the Farallons.  The captain said they didn't use blood because it was ineffective.  They only used the seal cutout.  The sharks are not keyed in on fish.  They are keyed in on seals.

-Allen
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Salty. on December 20, 2011, 12:22:44 AM
Allen, they claim to "only use a few ounces of seal blubber". The research for this year allegedly wrapped up on Nov 15th.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Red Abalone Diving on December 20, 2011, 12:38:00 AM
Please start a poll. And I would like to ask those who might respond favorably to 'the question' to please explain how they justify the much greater risk to humans? Besides that fat wad of grant money of course. Would the white shark population be in any danger whatsoever if this tactic were no longer permited? How's about figuring a new way to lure the GW's in to be tagged? I see some new devices on the market this year for freshwater apps. Jim
Started the poll.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: The Inn Keeper on December 20, 2011, 07:30:47 AM
If you ever want to see how well a Great White can be tought to come to a boat for a free meal,
Come on a long range trip with me to Guadalupe Island. The sharks have always been there, but once they started using bait to lure them in for the cage diving boats, the landing ratio of hooked fish has gone way down. The shark issue has gotten so bad that many long range Captians will not even go to the Island anymore. Guadalupe Island used to be the premier tuna spot off the Baja coast.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Red Abalone Diving on December 20, 2011, 08:24:31 AM
Yakhopper kinda knew that about Guadalupe, not seen it with my own eyes, but have known. I wonder are the excursion promoters offering anytime of the year GWS diving now or are the researchers there at Guadalupe there more months per year now. In a strange way I kinda like to here what you are saying about Guadalupe; perhaps and or at least may be the continued "research" at Isla Guadalupe are keeping GWS there where they might otherwise be migrating up and down the California coast. However I got you point; it's another documented case that increased feedings of GWS if you will does retain GWS to a local.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: SRJ on December 20, 2011, 08:41:28 AM
Hey all,

my two cents. The sharks at Tomales and other areas do migrate to and from these areas seasonally. Based on what I know about the research at Tomales(I personally know and talk with the senior researcher who is on the water daily when conditions allow), a chunk of whale blubber is used to put some scent in the water. There is a decoy used sometimes as well. The work in the boat is done with the boat stationary. He does not tow the boat or the decoy. These minute items are used to bring the sharks near enough to pole tag or get an id from features. There have been many attacks in the vicinity of Tomales Point over the years, and guess what.....NOT a single attack on a human since the project began. Do the math and you'll see that your postulations are based on supposition and NOT FACT. Keep theory and supposition out of the picture and start being factual.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bushy on December 20, 2011, 11:05:40 AM
Bill, No offense, but I think this poll might be a bit too simplistic.  An Either/Or proposition.

Olfactory attractants used by researchers could include mammal blood, fish blood (guts), fish oils, fish, fowl, or mammal meat.  Each of which, I think may engender a different response.

The Pelagic Shark Research Foundation (psrf.org), working out of Santa Cruz and maintaining the most prolific tagging operation in the Northern Hemisphere does not use any sort of blood, but sometimes will use seal or whale blubber in  a gunny sack for the oil slick it produces.  PSRF was also the key player in dissuading the authorities NOT to grant a "Shark Diving" cage operation at Ano some years ago, citing the risk of GW's associating humans  (in the water) with food (attractants used by cage charter operators, usually fish, meat, or blood, or combination).

Towing decoys, even with an oil slick, doesn't necessarily cause an "association" by GWs of humans to food.  Indeed, though GW's are intelligent, I doubt they associate humans with the giant floating object (the tow-boat) at all. The GW's are mysterious and unpredictable, and will only become less so if we can study them.  The more we know, the better decision we can make in regards to entering their world.  Percentages are with us.

Having said that, I won't paddle out in the sharky areas during the months of higher concentrations.  Denying basic research practices is not going to affect when and where GWs are going to be a any given time (anywhere they want to), nature will. 

Here's some good reading material in a book by Klimley that describes some of the investigation/predation studies done up at the Farralones.  The behavior of GWs there is much like the behavior at Ano and along the SC/SM coastlines.  Indeed, some of them are the very same sharks.


http://books.google.com/books?id=2My8M5tL-KIC&pg=PA223&lpg=PA223&dq=great+white+decoy+risk+to+humans&source=bl&ots=3qfM_4a7qQ&sig=r3LwpWj-Fe3wknkAXd1_neUjyCo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=d9HwTu_cOYSWiQKG2KyyDg&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=great%20white%20decoy%20risk%20to%20humans&f=false (http://books.google.com/books?id=2My8M5tL-KIC&pg=PA223&lpg=PA223&dq=great+white+decoy+risk+to+humans&source=bl&ots=3qfM_4a7qQ&sig=r3LwpWj-Fe3wknkAXd1_neUjyCo&hl=en&sa=X&ei=d9HwTu_cOYSWiQKG2KyyDg&ved=0CEgQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=great%20white%20decoy%20risk%20to%20humans&f=false)


Allen

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Salty. on December 20, 2011, 12:36:16 PM
FACT: 3 of our ncka brother's have been attacked in the last 4 years in the area I'm talking about.

FACT: the people doing this are using a "decoy" in a slick of seal blubber. This decoy looks a lot more like a surfboard or kayak than either a dead or alive seal.

FACT: since I both surf Waddel and yak-fish off of the pigeon point areas I am concerned that teaching white sharks to approach and attack inanimate objects,the decoys in the seal blubber chum slicks, could potentially be very very dangerous to my, or my brothers, health.

FACT: I don't believe this particular tagging program in this one location is crucial to the survival of the GW species. Let them tag at the Farralons where the public isn't in or OTW.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on December 20, 2011, 12:50:50 PM
After reading the book about sharks @ the Farralons,(The Devils Teeth) they say that the sharks become desensitized to the seal,surf board decoys after hitting them once or twice. They learn that it is NOT food and do not attack them anymore.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bushy on December 20, 2011, 01:25:56 PM
After reading the book about sharks @ the Farralons,(The Devils Teeth) they say that the sharks become desensitized to the seal,surf board decoys after hitting them once or twice. They learn that it is NOT food and do not attack them anymore.



Bravo Adam!

Fact:  2 of the three Bros had an "encounter" in the off-season, summer, when research is not being conducted.  Not necessarily even the same sharks that are there during the winter. The third I guess I would consider an "attack," the vertical hit; but precisely during that period of time when I don't paddle in that area. (mostly)

Fact:  oils and juices, not actual blubber tissue, which is contained in a gunny sack.  8 feet long and 4 feet wide?  No surfboard I've ever ridden or yak I've paddled.

Fact;  Consensus seems to be that approaching, nudging, chewing and even attacking floating inanimate objects is natural GW behavior, not something we are "teaching them."

Fact: Your opinion is not necessarily a fact. I guess i selfishly I support GW research as much for my personal survival as for the species. I am going to adapt to them, cause they won't adapt to us that's for sure. TAgging and behavioral studies at Ano are not "crucial to the survival of the GW species," but the more we learn, the more we can do to support their survival (and our own).

Also, they do tag at the Farralones, just not as diligently or with the consistency of the Ano studies.  Mainly a money thing. Funding is paltry.  There is no giant pot of gold grant $$ flowing towards this research.  The Ano PSRF project is Waaaay shoestring.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Salty. on December 20, 2011, 02:08:41 PM
Since they can tag in locations where people do not normally recreate in or OTW.......then I would prefer them  to do so in those places.

I put my and my fellow ocean users lives above endless taging at that specific location.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: DaveW on January 01, 2012, 09:30:36 AM
The results from the tagging operations are the way we now know where they are seasonally.  I would submit that ocean users are now safer as a result.  At least we generally know where they are at a given period during the year, so we can make decisions about where and when to go out.  That's a lot more than I knew 20 years ago when I lived in the bay area and surfed those spots on a weekly basis (Waddell, Ano).

Yeah, being in the grant business somewhat myself, I can't imagine that there's much loot there in GWS study.  The money is in the fish that we like to catch.....like salmon.  Grants for salmon research, monitoring, and enhancement in California have totaled in the mega-millions in the last 30 years.

I dunno, just as general personal creed, I always like knowing more - not less......... especially about sharks.  And I'm a person that has been physically in the ocean around three days a week for the last 20-30 years.

Sincerely,

Dave
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: piski on January 01, 2012, 06:26:42 PM
Quote from: DaveW
The results from the tagging operations are the way we now know where they are seasonally....
This fact almost sums up the whole thing.

Quote from: DaveW
....I would submit that ocean users are now safer as a result.  At least we generally know where they are at a given period during the year, so we can make decisions about where and when to go out....
I have to agree. We're better off knowing more about them than less, and particularly about the populations in recreational areas. Also, as Adam pointed out, the research can also tell us more about how the GWs do or do not adapt to interactions with people. Best practices can then be developed from that info. If researchers find something that does show the animals associating humans with food, they can advise other researchers to avoid those practices.

The recreational feeding is a whole other thing. That's just plain dumb IMHO. 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: obkook on May 17, 2012, 09:24:26 AM
Has anyone posted this yet?

Attack down on the central coast
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/15/11721176-yikes-great-white-shark-attacks-fishermans-kayak?lite (http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/15/11721176-yikes-great-white-shark-attacks-fishermans-kayak?lite)

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bwodun on May 17, 2012, 10:07:25 AM
Has anyone posted this yet?

Attack down on the central coast
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/15/11721176-yikes-great-white-shark-attacks-fishermans-kayak?lite (http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/15/11721176-yikes-great-white-shark-attacks-fishermans-kayak?lite)


yep a few times, but yours is the first in the right spot
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sigelvictory on May 18, 2012, 04:24:54 PM
Has anyone posted this yet?

Attack down on the central coast
http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/15/11721176-yikes-great-white-shark-attacks-fishermans-kayak?lite (http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/15/11721176-yikes-great-white-shark-attacks-fishermans-kayak?lite)



Yeaaaaa!!! It wasn't a Hobie!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: 16 foot Mahogany on July 14, 2012, 10:40:37 PM
Just a fun fact I learned during my brief time with DFG.:

Researchers are catching and tagging juvenile GWS's in the SF bay and monitoring them with acoustic receivers.

Here's the fun part........they have regularly received hits EAST of the Carquinez bridge.
Title: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Mr.Matt on July 14, 2012, 10:56:26 PM
As long as they stay out of the Sac River system we are good.
Title: Re: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on September 25, 2012, 12:18:07 PM
Quote

Here's the fun part........they have regularly received hits EAST of the Carquinez bridge.
WHAT?!?!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: piski on September 25, 2012, 01:15:32 PM
JUVENILES - I wouldn't worry too much about it. Although I think I've read that an adult has been tracked cruising through the bay on at least one occasion.
Bull sharks, now that would scare the hell out of me if they were in the bay.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on September 25, 2012, 01:25:15 PM
Im sure the big ones must cruise pier 45 when its stacked with furbags.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on January 10, 2013, 04:58:38 AM
Ever wondered about the story behind this shot?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on January 10, 2013, 04:59:27 AM
Photographer's Description :-

When this photograph was first published in Africa Geographic, BBC Wildlife and later in Paris Match and the Daily Mail (London) it resulted in a flurry of e-mails, phone calls and letters from around the world asking if the image was a fake. The image became the most talked about of shark photograph ever.

The photograph is real, no photoshop, no digital manipulation, no nothing, in fact it was shot on slide film Fuji Provia 100 using a Nikon F5 Camera and 17-35 mm lens. For those conspiracy fans who still doubt its authenticity please read how I took the photograph.

To capture this image I tied myself to the tower of the research boat Lamnidae and leaned into the void, precariously hanging over the ocean while waiting patiently for a white shark to come along. I wanted to shot a photograph that would tell the story of our research efforts to track white sharks using kayaks. When the first shark of the day came across our sea kayak it dove to the seabed and inspected it from below. I quickly trained my camera on the dark shadow which slowly transformed from diffuse shape into the sleek outline of a large great white. When the shark’s dorsal fin broke the surface I thought I had the shot, but hesitated a fraction of a second and was rewarded with marine biologist Trey Snow in the kayak turning around to look behind him. I pressed the shutter and the rest was history. Throughout the day I shot many more images, most showing the kayak following the shark, but all lacked the power of that first image of the great white tracking the kayak. —
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Yosemite Rob on January 10, 2013, 06:59:01 PM
16 feet yikes!

http://www.weather.com/news/great-white-sharks-water-florida-coast-20130110 (http://www.weather.com/news/great-white-sharks-water-florida-coast-20130110)
Title: Re: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on January 11, 2013, 12:45:53 AM
16 feet yikes!

http://www.weather.com/news/great-white-sharks-water-florida-coast-20130110 (http://www.weather.com/news/great-white-sharks-water-florida-coast-20130110)
16ft and 3400lbs+.......
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bird on January 11, 2013, 07:34:47 AM
Sharky - always wondered about that shark pic, thanks for the rest of the story. 

16 ft/3400# GWS - that is flat-out scary.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on January 11, 2013, 09:43:02 AM
here's a freaky moment

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on January 11, 2013, 09:55:20 AM
SeanPiscean had that exact same "follow from behind" happen to him on his day along the SMC. a few years back.

Mooch~ that is a right time at the wrong moment pic of the surfer.  :smt009
Title: Re: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on January 11, 2013, 11:17:56 AM
here's a freaky moment
Thanks Mooch..
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PISCEAN on January 11, 2013, 11:25:23 AM
SeanPiscean had that exact same "follow from behind" happen to him on his day along the SMC. a few years back.

Mooch~ that is a right time at the wrong moment pic of the surfer.  :smt009

I shoulda flicked it on the head with my paddle :smt002 but I was too busy trying to levitate my kayak.

Mooch, that is one surf pic I wish I could unsee.

Agreed on the thanks the Sharky for the rest o the story on an oft emailed pic! Very cool.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on January 11, 2013, 11:53:15 AM
Quote
Mooch~ that is a right time at the wrong moment pic of the surfer. 

im sorry if i offended anyone by posting the pic. - if it's not cool, send me a pm and i will gladly delete it
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on January 11, 2013, 11:57:29 AM
Quote
Mooch~ that is a right time at the wrong moment pic of the surfer. 

im sorry if i offended anyone by posting the pic. - if it's not cool, send me a pm and i will gladly delete it
STOP IT!!  we are all grown kids here.  :smt002  i only meant = Yikes!! that is a good picture of a close moment.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on January 11, 2013, 12:02:35 PM
Not me bro. My sick n twisted Saffa friends sent me that one awhile ago. Keep it real otherwise it ain't....

Here is an interesting looking course. Anything like this around here?

http://www.summerschool.uct.ac.za/?page_id=214 (http://www.summerschool.uct.ac.za/?page_id=214)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on January 11, 2013, 12:06:35 PM
Notice how all the eNCKAounter brothers are all over this thread?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mooch on January 11, 2013, 12:16:02 PM
Quote
Mooch~ that is a right time at the wrong moment pic of the surfer. 

im sorry if i offended anyone by posting the pic. - if it's not cool, send me a pm and i will gladly delete it
STOP IT!!  we are all grown kids here.  :smt002  i only meant = Yikes!! that is a good picture of a close moment.

all good - just wanna make sure im not pissing anybody off. BUT there are SOME members that still act like juveniles (like using words like dumb, stupid, ghey,jackass) I know we are all adults and are entitled to opinions/free speech but there is a way to disagree in an adult manner = be respectful, choose your words and simply agree to disagree and move on. Im guilty of this behavior as well,  but this new year, i'll be trying really hard to be more respectful to my fellow ncka'ers. We need to work hard to continue the family friendly environment and keep the good vibe going. ...i apologize for the rant and thread jack....im just venting out some frustrations....lovya brother  :smt008
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PISCEAN on January 11, 2013, 12:42:50 PM
Notice how all the eNCKAounter brothers are all over this thread?

 :smt044 :smt044 :smt044 totally!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fisherman X on February 26, 2013, 07:17:10 AM
Humor - not making light of an encounter at all

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/625611_556777854343230_870722042_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sigelvictory on February 26, 2013, 10:11:44 AM
Humor - not making light of an encounter at all

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/625611_556777854343230_870722042_n.jpg)

+1
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on February 26, 2013, 09:18:27 PM
Notice how all the eNCKAounter brothers are all over this thread?

Wouldn't want to try and DX any of you,  but I will go out on a limb and say,

 To get eyed, chewed on or doing any kind of a tap dance with an Apex predator that wants to eat you....

  Just might bring on symptoms of PTSD,   :smt085

The trick is to talk it out, especially with those who can relate, and start to turn that tide to PTMI,  Post Traumatic Mild Inconvenience....  :smt004

Again,  I'm just a hack....  Be well guys and glad your all still here    :smt006
Title: Re: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on February 27, 2013, 01:11:19 PM
Notice how all the eNCKAounter brothers are all over this thread?

Wouldn't want to try and DX any of you,  but I will go out on a limb and say,

 To get eyed, chewed on or doing any kind of a tap dance with an Apex predator that wants to eat you....

  Just might bring on symptoms of PTSD,   :smt085

The trick is to talk it out, especially with those who can relate, and start to turn that tide to PTMI,  Post Traumatic Mild Inconvenience....  :smt004

Again,  I'm just a hack....  Be well guys and glad your all still here    :smt006
Good advice. While I may have been chewed on, she was the one that got "eyed". Also known as the  "sharky twist" amongst my hometown surf crew. I often wonder if there is a gw swimming around out there with a bad left eye.
I just hit a kinda weird milestone. I was attacked when I was 22y and 6mo old TO THE DAY. Just had my 45th birthday. That means I've been on extended play for as long as the original game.
Like I said. Weird.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: BigJim on April 23, 2013, 11:49:25 PM
Saw this on facebook posted by one of the guys on the JK Fishing Team....

Kayak Fishing with a Great White Shark; Ka'u, Hawaii (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGHktIJd2BQ#ws)

Crazy!!!!

Sincerely,

Jim
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Tote on April 24, 2013, 01:40:11 AM
uhhhh, no thank you.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: snapperhead on April 24, 2013, 06:12:59 AM
Crazy is right. One thing that's different about it, the water there is so clear. Most attacks occur as mistaking identity, and our waters are nothing like that. Funny how he wasn't even talking.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: JJQ on April 24, 2013, 06:17:03 AM
He's got his priorities right!  First thing in event of GWS sighting - TURN ON CAMERA!!!!!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: phishphood on April 24, 2013, 09:18:59 AM
Friccin crazy. Especially with the clear water. Then you would know if it hit you there was no chance it thought you were anythign else. But man, no PFD, no buddies in site. And he just sits there quiet and no screamin, yellin, cursin, or pant-$#!!ting...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: beenfishin on April 24, 2013, 09:20:23 AM
Yikes!!!!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on April 24, 2013, 09:42:38 AM
i had to take a couple of "Calm Thyself Down" breaths while watching.....and then i shat me pants.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PISCEAN on April 24, 2013, 09:58:09 AM
i had to take a couple of "Calm Thyself Down" breaths while watching.....and then i shat me pants.

uh huh.
I kept muttering "its just checking you out, just checking you out, no need to panic, just checking you out"

loved the blip of the paddler's face right at the end. yeah dude, my eyes would be the same.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: BigJim on April 24, 2013, 10:00:17 AM
Guys name is Shawn Zenor.

I'm 1000% positive I wouldn't have been able to stay so calm...

Sincerely,

Jim
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: SacJack on April 24, 2013, 01:39:30 PM
I am surprise that he's brave enough to stick his hand in the water...  :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: SnaggedAgain on April 24, 2013, 01:50:57 PM
I think I'd be taking the day off from fishing and have a beer after that.
Title: Garrapata...
Post by: Fish Master1 on June 05, 2013, 07:07:16 AM
He looks like hes in pretty shallow... :smt009

http://www.kionrightnow.com/story/22504843/shark-spotted-off-central-coast (http://www.kionrightnow.com/story/22504843/shark-spotted-off-central-coast)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: alamedamike on June 05, 2013, 07:27:46 AM
The surf looks good...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fish Master1 on June 05, 2013, 07:32:38 AM
Not with that big ass fin in it. :smt009
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: stringaLing on June 05, 2013, 08:08:27 AM
Uh-oh... not too far from SWS.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: ex-kayaker on June 05, 2013, 09:38:55 AM
That photo is old, I've seen it before several times.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Sin Coast on June 05, 2013, 10:46:20 AM
Weird! That's the EXACT same photo I posted on HERE like 5yrs ago!!!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Sin Coast on June 05, 2013, 10:51:32 AM
Yeah, this is my post from December 2006!
http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=6471.msg54274#msg54274 (http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=6471.msg54274#msg54274)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: BigJim on June 05, 2013, 11:01:24 AM
Pretty sh*tty journalism if they are posting that as a new pic.  :smt012

Sincerely,

Jim
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mdoka_matt on June 05, 2013, 11:05:50 AM
Once again Fox news reports bullshit   :smt005
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: BigJim on June 05, 2013, 11:09:51 AM
I saw you commented PK.

I sent the author an email as well.

Sincerely,

Jim
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mdoka_matt on June 05, 2013, 11:12:53 AM
I saw you commented PK.

I sent the author an email as well.

Sincerely,

Jim

Nicely done Jim!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: crash on June 05, 2013, 11:13:12 AM
A simple google image search shows that this is so old, it was on someone's myspace page.  Remember myspace?  That was eons ago.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: LilRiverMan on June 05, 2013, 11:14:02 AM
Jim, you should send that to the guy's boss / editor - or another news organization. Otherwise there is no check on the quality of this guys work.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: JJQ on June 05, 2013, 11:40:54 AM
I know Nick Vandevert!  He rented my house in Big Sur.  That picture is old.  I'll get to the bottom of it!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: BigJim on June 05, 2013, 12:01:46 PM
I got a quick response back:

 
Quote
Hi,

Thanks for reaching out! This was sent to me from what I believed was a reliable source and I was taking his word that he said he took photo a few days ago with his son. There really is no way to confirm every photo icoverage that comes in, but you have a point. It's not like any official could verify even if I made dozens of calls. it was his word against others, but I see what you mean. It's an amazing photo, but of course it would be wrong to post if it is not accurate. Thank you again I really appreciate it.

Jasmine Viel
Evening News Anchor
KION/KCBA/KCOY/KKFX
Central Coast News
831-970-5044

Sincerely,

Jim
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: crash on June 05, 2013, 12:12:34 PM
Left click image. Drag to google search box. Release left click button. Press return.

No way to verify all of them tho. Too hard.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: BigJim on June 05, 2013, 12:30:24 PM
Left click image. Drag to google search box. Release left click button. Press return.

No way to verify all of them tho. Too hard.

LOL!!!!

 :smt005

 :smt006

Sincerely,

Jim
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FishingForTheCure on June 05, 2013, 12:33:25 PM
They pulled the page off the site  :smt005
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fish Master1 on June 05, 2013, 12:46:47 PM
 :smt012........ :smt044...Damn! I cant even believe what I read on the news now?? WTF!!!! :smt009
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Archie Marx on June 05, 2013, 12:55:15 PM
I got a quick response back:

 
Quote
Hi,

Thanks for reaching out! This was sent to me from what I believed was a reliable source and I was taking his word that he said he took photo a few days ago with his son. There really is no way to confirm every photo icoverage that comes in, but you have a point. It's not like any official could verify even if I made dozens of calls. it was his word against others, but I see what you mean. It's an amazing photo, but of course it would be wrong to post if it is not accurate. Thank you again I really appreciate it.

Jasmine Viel
Evening News Anchor
KION/KCBA/KCOY/KKFX
Central Coast News
831-970-5044

Sincerely,

Jim

I guess she has never heard of metadata.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FishingForTheCure on June 05, 2013, 01:43:42 PM
:smt012........ :smt044...Damn! I cant even believe what I read on the news now?? WTF!!!! :smt009
Who'da thunk it! :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Sin Coast on June 05, 2013, 02:55:51 PM
I guess she has never heard of metadata.

Yeah, that was my first thought...right-click then select Properties. Especially if it was sent in to the iCoverage team/acct (if it really was taken w/a phone it totally would've had meta).
But I wouldn't blame Jasmine. She's kinda cute. And the fact she replied directly to your email shows some class too. She just gained a few points in my book :-)   
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: BigJim on June 05, 2013, 03:03:45 PM
But I wouldn't blame Jasmine. She's kinda cute. And the fact she replied directly to your email shows some class too. She just gained a few points in my book :-)   

+1

 :smt004

 :smt006

Sincerely,

Jim
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: dilbeck on June 05, 2013, 03:05:46 PM
But I wouldn't blame Jasmine. She's kinda cute.

Share that picture!  :smt007  :smt044

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Weimarian on June 05, 2013, 03:14:52 PM
Send her some GOOD stories/pictures (NCKA Tales) She will probably use them and our fame/infamy will grow. I picture Big Jim's signature monkey pose on the 5pm news :smt005 :smt005 :smt005 :smt003 :smt044 :smt044 :smt044 OMG that would make my year!!!! :smt044 :smt044 :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FishingForTheCure on June 05, 2013, 03:20:52 PM
I prefer the pinkie in the fish video :smt005 :smt044 :smt005 :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: BigJim on June 05, 2013, 03:26:48 PM
She has a facebook page...maybe I'll get drunk one night and post some stuff on there.

 :smt002 :smt005 :smt044

 :smt006

Sincerely,

Jim
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FishingForTheCure on June 05, 2013, 03:27:55 PM
 :smt044 :smt044 :smt044

 Be sure to add those pic's & video's on the PETA site as well.

~Bill :smt006 :smt005 :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mcag on June 25, 2013, 09:40:08 PM
Just came across this...

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/06/25/kayaker-reportedly-attacked-by-shark-off-pacifica-state-beach/ (http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/06/25/kayaker-reportedly-attacked-by-shark-off-pacifica-state-beach/)

Makes my Sunday trip more interesting.

Anyone know who this was?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mcag on June 25, 2013, 09:52:02 PM
I should say, "who this is" as he escaped unhurt, thankfully, per the news report.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: krusty on June 26, 2013, 01:19:07 AM
No, I do not know the victim, Micah Flanaburg. I did a search of that name in our member list, and came up empty.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fisherman X on June 26, 2013, 07:43:58 AM
Once again Fox news reports bullshit   :smt005

Right - so much for "Fair and Balanced", eh?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Jason S. on August 22, 2013, 05:05:44 AM
She has a facebook page...maybe I'll get drunk one night and post some stuff on there.

 :smt002 :smt005 :smt044

 :smt006

Sincerely,

Jim
Lol that's awesome....
Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on November 13, 2013, 04:07:50 PM

maybe old news here but this story is kinda cool

https://www.rodneyfox.com.au/index.php/selectedContent/624827680 (https://www.rodneyfox.com.au/index.php/selectedContent/624827680)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sharky on December 11, 2013, 07:36:33 PM
GWS culling approved in Western Australia
 http://m.theaustralian.com.au/news/large-sharks-in-beach-kill-zones-will-be-hunted/story-e6frg6n6-1226779869534  (http://m.theaustralian.com.au/news/large-sharks-in-beach-kill-zones-will-be-hunted/story-e6frg6n6-1226779869534)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Archie Marx on December 12, 2013, 11:49:50 PM
GWS culling approved in Western Australia
 [url=http://m.theaustralian.com.au/news/large-sharks-in-beach-kill-zones-will-be-hunted/story-e6frg6n6-1226779869534]http://m.theaustralian.com.au/news/large-sharks-in-beach-kill-zones-will-be-hunted/story-e6frg6n6-1226779869534 (http://m.theaustralian.com.au/news/large-sharks-in-beach-kill-zones-will-be-hunted/story-e6frg6n6-1226779869534) [/URL]

"Drum lines - drums with a baited hook fixed to the ocean floor designed to attract sharks - will be placed 1km from the shore off beaches and surf breaks, and will be monitored daily by commercial fishermen."

.....Drum lines, designed to attract sharks will be placed 1km from popular beaches.


They are going to solve the problem of sharks at popular beaches by attracting sharks to popular beaches?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: RacinRob on December 12, 2013, 11:53:44 PM
Sounds good.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: rockfish on December 13, 2013, 12:14:51 AM
Lol.  ATD has a hood point, thats why I sprinkle corn in my yard to keep rats away.

Funny going back to 2008 posts warning of "an incident between shark and kayak within 5 years on the SMC"  how many have there been now?  One a year if I remember right...

Whats the word on the shark shield these days?

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bucktailpath on December 15, 2013, 09:05:14 PM
http://www.gameandfishmag.com/2013/12/05/hawaiian-man-dies-shark-attack-kayak-fishing/ (http://www.gameandfishmag.com/2013/12/05/hawaiian-man-dies-shark-attack-kayak-fishing/)

Not positively identified as a GW but probably belongs in this thread. First fatality that I am aware of.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PISCEAN on December 16, 2013, 08:45:57 AM


Funny going back to 2008 posts warning of "an incident between shark and kayak within 5 years on the SMC"  how many have there been now?  One a year if I remember right...


There are a lot more fishing kayaks on the water these days, and perhaps a few more sharks too?
 Fish close, groups are your best defense. I don't do solo offshore anymore, cons outweigh the pros to me these days.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on January 17, 2014, 07:27:18 PM
Latest research supports conservationist's estimations for 'Extreme Longevity' and indeterminate age/growth and life histories; we refer to the largest heaviest and oldest specimens 'old growth' specimens.

PSRF has been estimating the life history and duration of white shark (other Lamnids like Makos) to be 50 years or more since the late 1990's, it was widely dismissed and mocked my quite a few high ranking scientists (with NO empirical data, and far less experience) who disputed the theory in order to protect fisheries interests (academic corporates) and status quo (academia).

The facts have now been established and PSRF's assessments have once again been proven as 'accurate' on this and related issues pertaining to white shark conservation and science.

Due to their relative size and larger number of larger individual pups (after a long and taxing process) these 'old growth' individuals within the population as priceless as individual specimens on the trophic scale.

We also believe (as conservationist and behaviorists/ecologists) that large makos are similarly being grossly underestimated in terms of trophic value vs costs.

The environmental impacts of both habitat degradations (pollutants etc) and fisheries (research incl) and sundry human generated impairments are compounding the threatened and endangered and vulnerable status of these ancient mariners.

Thank you for reading, please support PSRF's ongoing conservation/education efforts. Happy New Year 2014.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on January 17, 2014, 07:29:25 PM
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/environment/wildlife/article3969740.ece
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on January 17, 2014, 07:30:00 PM
deleted dbl post.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Ling ling, Herro? on February 12, 2014, 09:41:45 PM
I just realized I haven't posted since my intro! I thought this would be an appropriate place to start. I had a run in with a GWS back in November. KFM got a hold of me and I wrote them an article. Check it out if you haven't already!
http://www.kayakfishingmagazine.net/articles/102-current-issue-featured-articles-on-kayak-fishing/1897-a-great-white-encounter.html

Chris-
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: SeaWeed on February 12, 2014, 09:58:38 PM
Great article, I think i had read it before. That is one of those lifetime memories.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Ling ling, Herro? on February 12, 2014, 10:03:08 PM
Great article, I think i had read it before. That is one of those lifetime memories.
You're telling me! Due to life getting in the way I haven't had much time to get out. I got back out in the ocean last week since the shark encounter. It definitely felt pretty erie. I just felt like I was going to be launched out of the water at any time. I think it's going to take a few trips out there before I feel like I've shaken that spooky feeling.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FishingAddict on February 13, 2014, 11:13:48 AM
Great article, I think i had read it before. That is one of those lifetime memories.
You're telling me! Due to life getting in the way I haven't had much time to get out. I got back out in the ocean last week since the shark encounter. It definitely felt pretty erie. I just felt like I was going to be launched out of the water at any time. I think it's going to take a few trips out there before I feel like I've shaken that spooky feeling.

A few of us here know the feeling.  If your kayak gets bit and you get thrown in the water you can join our club.  :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: golfish on February 13, 2014, 11:34:53 AM

A few of us here know the feeling.  If your kayak gets bit and you get thrown in the water you can join our club.  :smt003

I was out there 2 of those attacks and got invited to the 3rd but couldn't make it. Anyone interested in joining the above club come fish with me...it will increase your odds and I will only charge a small fee, payable upfront of course!  :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on February 13, 2014, 11:45:52 AM
you can take that club of yours and...

but for real... I know you tough guys dont mention it ..
but for those of you that got launched or even those who just got charged or drive by'd...
do you feel any different when out now as compared to before.?
I feel okay out there now after a dozen trips to calm down and enjoy the kayak
but i for sure feel my honeymoon otw is over forever
I feel kind of like I have eyes on the back ,and side, of my head now...I fish with two hands and watch the water with everything else  :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on February 13, 2014, 12:17:14 PM
Glad to read you survived it Ling ling. Stay in the herd,,, it helps get through the erriness.

but for real... I know you tough guys dont mention it ..
but for those of you that got launched or even those who just got charged or drive by'd...
do you feel any different when out now as compared to before.?
I feel okay out there now after a dozen trips to calm down and enjoy the kayak
but i for sure feel my honeymoon otw is over forever
I feel kind of like I have eyes on the back ,and side, of my head now...I fish with two hands and watch the water with everything else  :smt003
No tough guy here. :smt009
YES!....it's been 3 full salt seasons and i still feel like i'm gonna get launched at any moment......and yes my life has been kicked into slow motion ever since.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Ling ling, Herro? on February 13, 2014, 01:42:26 PM
I'm not sure I want to be part of that club. That sounds terrifying!  But knowing there's a club of seemingly healthy individuals...it does make me feel better about joining.  It looks like the initiation left you intact.
Do you guys have stories you could link me to that describes your initiation?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on February 13, 2014, 03:42:21 PM
sorry if the take that club and..
or the tough guys comment seemed like i was trying to be dick..had to go back to work and was thinking while working that I should back and edit that so it dont sound mean and stupid


I just think you guys are tough...because you are...I only got charged/chased...some of you crazy guys got hit/bit/pushed/launched...i dont know how I would feel if that was my story..I may have hung up my newb paddle if that thing had grabbed my kayak.,...my story was shit your pants scary 'for me.'..but compared to you guys it was about like a sightseeing or whale watching story...
I'm like the new guy in the shark story scene with big eyes trying to fit in..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLjNzwEULG8
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Rock Hopper on February 14, 2014, 08:56:50 AM

Do you guys have stories you could link me to that describes your initiation?


http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=21491.0 (http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=21491.0)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on February 14, 2014, 10:04:55 AM
trianglelaguna~ your encounter should be added to this section also. It was enough of a an encounter and way more than anyone would ever want to experience.

I think about my encounter EVERY DAY. I consider myself EXTREMLY LUCKY to have all my body parts.

pic is my left shin's tooth cut that went through my wet suit,,matched up with my bitten paddle......ohhh the memories.  :smt010   
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Jeremy on April 13, 2014, 02:17:42 PM
A few months ago I made up this spreadsheet cataloging the info from the Shark Research Committee. I took out names and other information, and have everything set to sort by date, activity, county. Feel free to add in information, including encounters that aren't included in the. I think I made it so it's publicly editable.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsDZD6HrodCmdHMwNEVNaEI2M2ZpRktoaG5hUUVQcEE&usp=drive_web#gid=0
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: wizz on April 13, 2014, 06:43:43 PM
Cool stuff. San Mateo looks like a hot spot, is there a large seal nursery there?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Jeremy on April 13, 2014, 07:27:52 PM
Yep, Año Nuevo.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Sin Coast on April 14, 2014, 12:27:37 PM
Very cool! Thanks Jeremy.
I added another tab to your worksheet and tried to categorize the encounters into 6 types: Boating, Body Boarding, Diving, Kayaking, Surfing, and Swimming. This will make it easier to create charts, establish trends, etc.
Like the attached bar graph showing Shark Encounters by Decade (per Activity).
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FishingForTheCure on April 14, 2014, 12:32:38 PM
Where's the sharnado category?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Jeremy on April 15, 2014, 09:11:31 AM

Very cool! Thanks Jeremy.
I added another tab to your worksheet and tried to categorize the encounters into 6 types: Boating, Body Boarding, Diving, Kayaking, Surfing, and Swimming. This will make it easier to create charts, establish trends, etc.
Like the attached bar graph showing Shark Encounters by Decade (per Activity).

Thanks!

I think there was a category for activities, but it wasn't consistent. Glad to have someone else interested!

I need to go through and fill in the counties section as well. I only did NorCal counties at first, then some SoCal counties that were easy, an there are still some blanks and errors.

BTW, does anyone know how to make sorting available to the public, but editing cells private? I'd be happy to share editing privileges with anyone (fully open now), but I'd hate to see the data messed up by a mis-sort.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Pozo FlyChucker on April 17, 2014, 10:52:58 AM
I took the liberty of adding another entry on your spread sheet. Hope you don't mind. I think the entry is relevant since it is recent and it is a multiple incident location.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Jeremy on April 21, 2014, 09:34:02 AM

I took the liberty of adding another entry on your spread sheet. Hope you don't mind. I think the entry is relevant since it is recent and it is a multiple incident location.

Please keep at it. It would be great to have any/all incidents added to the list. My information is only from the shark research committee, and there are surely some incidents that they don't know about.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Jeremy on June 27, 2014, 09:45:57 AM
Has anyone heard rumors of the landlord at Stillwater south recently? "A buddy's cousin heard from someone" that Mr Grey has been taking seals outside the cove.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on July 10, 2014, 07:29:28 PM
interesting
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localnews/ci_26121508/where-when-california-shark-attacks-have-happened-over
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: nudling on July 11, 2014, 08:38:52 AM
I was listening to the SC ch11 radio feed and heard this from bayside: "a kayaker just saw a 18' gw at the mile buoy.. just an FYI"
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: LilRiverMan on July 11, 2014, 11:33:48 AM
interesting
http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/localnews/ci_26121508/where-when-california-shark-attacks-have-happened-over

A couple obvious ones are missing and I don't remember hearing about the HMB attack in 2013
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on July 12, 2014, 08:18:53 AM
yes the link I put is not accurate but I thought it was worthy of look
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Taurus987 on July 17, 2014, 01:09:59 AM
Great white shark choked by sea lion

https://www.yahoo.com/news/great-white-shark-choked-sea-lion-060148328.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/great-white-shark-choked-sea-lion-060148328.html)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: krusty on July 18, 2014, 02:01:06 AM
Great white shark choked by sea lion

https://www.yahoo.com/news/great-white-shark-choked-sea-lion-060148328.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/great-white-shark-choked-sea-lion-060148328.html)

Here is the video of the shark struggling in shallow waters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvmOvkTwyPU#t=14 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvmOvkTwyPU#t=14)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on July 19, 2014, 05:36:55 AM
look at how tall the tail fin is when both fins are above the surface==trippy to see up close...

thanks for posting....
Am I crazy?
It was kind of sad,for me at least,to watch!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on July 29, 2014, 06:29:47 PM
http://www.weather.com/video/more-mystery-holes-found-51704?collid=/video-minutes/great-outdoors
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on July 30, 2014, 09:46:10 AM
http://www.weather.com/video/more-mystery-holes-found-51704?collid=/video-minutes/great-outdoors
WOW! that is very interesting,,,,but not GWS related. :smt002  = thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on July 30, 2014, 09:20:33 PM
it linked thew wrong clip...oh well...thanks for watching...i should delete it it  :smt009
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: SeaWeed on August 04, 2014, 11:16:57 PM
We get them here as well, 18 footer.

http://www.ksby.com/news/shark-warning-in-morro-bay/
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fishcomb on August 06, 2014, 10:49:03 AM
oh god i don't want to go out in the ocean anymore :smt010 :smt010

http://vimeo.com/101165012
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on August 06, 2014, 11:08:15 AM
Impressive…..
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: IceColdChuck on August 06, 2014, 01:51:58 PM
Hahaha, they're so cute. Makes me think of a dumb kitten
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on August 20, 2014, 09:33:07 AM
http://vimeo.com/10136995#at=89
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on August 20, 2014, 09:55:21 AM
i want to "pet" ThaBean "oversee'er" like they do in that video = krazy!

she seemed to like being touched  :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: oldfart on August 20, 2014, 10:08:30 AM
Hmmm, that shark lure is about the same color and shape as my kayak....
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on August 20, 2014, 10:49:56 AM
hahahahahahahaah
oh wait...that aint sposed to be funny is it!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on September 15, 2014, 09:13:02 AM
http://www.ksbw.com/news/shark-attack-reported-at-manresa-state-beach/28057458



my Friend Matt says the guys he surfs with at Asilomar saw one the same weekend Fsihmaster1 and his crew watched one eat a sea lion

The Molas are thick now again @ pt pinos this weekend -- Sea Lions - really big and active playing with them all over the place..kills and birds and thrashing all day in all directions sat-sun...keeps you watching when these giant Sea lions-the big pappa ones- appear from nowhere and start churning and thrashing right next to you---molas floating all over the place alive with no fins or eye balls---big molas jumping and swimming down six feet all silver and flashy under my kayak...knarly day....GWS must pay attention when these big bulls are concentrated and so active in 150 f.o.w



Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mdoka_matt on September 18, 2014, 08:01:57 AM

What a dick!  This guy has real some real bad juju coming his way. With as "out of shape" as this guy is, if a shark really wanted him he would be done for.


the story
http://www.ksbw.com/news/shark-attack-reported-at-manresa-state-beach/28057458

the truth
http://www.inquisitr.com/1480742/shark-attack-in-santa-cruz-fake/
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: DG on September 18, 2014, 08:17:56 AM
He probably got more attention than he thought he would.  I would try to sell my board also but not sure that makes him a liar.  The biologist saw sharks feeding in same loc so it could still be true.  I wonder how this will play out. 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on October 21, 2014, 11:21:04 AM
interesting reads

check out the tracking tags map for this month  :smt003

http://www.sfbaywildlife.info/species/great_white_shark.htm

http://baynature.org/articles/beyond-jaws/

http://rtseablog.blogspot.com/2011_06_01_archive.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19TG4QQFOjQ
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on October 24, 2014, 08:00:38 PM
oh great they even have a name for it

"Galeophobia" – the excessive and persistent fear of sharks – is one of the most widespread of all phobias.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/11159623/How-to-conquer-a-fear-of-sharks-swim-with-them.html
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on February 17, 2015, 06:06:51 PM
this was on the news tonight says it has real time tracking---sorry if this is posted already in thread..


news blurb

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/01/29/great-white-sharks-robots-california-coast-tracked-real-time/

tracking program

http://topp.org/
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: charlesthe2nd on February 25, 2015, 12:36:13 PM
What are the odds that you'll even see or come into contact with a GWS in the months that they seem to be in our area?  Given that, what are the odds that a GW will attack a kayak?

Is there anything to do to mitigate a potential attack?  Reflective tape or something like that?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on February 25, 2015, 12:42:20 PM
use the search feature.....it has happened,,,,,and it WILL HAPPEN AGAIN....try to avoid the HotSpots and you'll lessen the odds.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on February 25, 2015, 01:23:52 PM
The jury is out still on the value of trying to use a  'shark shield'  in a kayak ,but the ncka search function should have some returns on that product/ subject folks on here have chatted about it a lot....Fishhunter is right about hot spots  :smt003  from what I've read,but really anywhere on the coast in any month they are around...not every sq foot...not every day...but their here  :smt003..also ocean kayaking alone is maybe not the best idea..some attacks on kayaks ,happened when there were other kayaks to come help the poor guy out of the water etc..



What are the odds that youhttp://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/Smileys/Lots_O_Smileys/003.gif'll even see or come into contact with a GWS in the months that they seem to be in our area?  Given that, what are the odds that a GW will attack a kayak?

Is there anything to do to mitigate a potential attack?  Reflective tape or something like that?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FishingForTheCure on February 25, 2015, 01:33:48 PM
What are the odds that you'll even see or come into contact with a GWS in the months that they seem to be in our area?  Given that, what are the odds that a GW will attack a kayak?

Is there anything to do to mitigate a potential attack?  Reflective tape or something like that?
Ask a number of our members what the odds are.  They can speak from first hand experiences.  Use the search & you will find the stories & photos including at least one from the SC area.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: DG on February 25, 2015, 02:06:43 PM

Ask a number of our members what the odds are.  They can speak from first hand experiences.  Use the search & you will find the stories & photos including at least one from the SC area.

Agreed. 

I can say at least twice I have been diving and later found out a GWS was seen right near where I was.  I truly hope never to have to encounter one but I have been made aware of several encounters through this site.  Not sure the odds but i am sure my odds go up the more I dive.  But then again someone could see one the first time out so I just try to be aware and pray it's not my time before getting in. 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Sin Coast on February 25, 2015, 02:20:20 PM
The odds are you will not encounter a white shark. But it is certainly possible!
I've probably logged 250 trips on the ocean in a kayak during the last 10yrs and I have never seen a white shark. From Big Sur to Shelter Cove, but mostly in the Monterey bay area. During that same time, I know of at least 8 kayaks that were attacked by white sharks.
There is no "foolproof" method to avoid encounters. But you can reduce the chances by avoiding certain areas (San Mateo coast) during certain times (Sept-Nov). It is also wise to paddle with other people and stay near each other.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Cabeza de Martillo on February 25, 2015, 02:23:09 PM
Is there anything to do to mitigate a potential attack?  Reflective tape or something like that?

Then you'll just look like a big ass lure  :smt044 :smt044 :smt044
Let us know how it works  :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on February 25, 2015, 02:31:08 PM
Is there anything to do to mitigate a potential attack?  Reflective tape or something like that?

Then you'll just look like a big ass lure  :smt044 :smt044 :smt044
Let us know how it works  :smt003
epic fail  :smt013
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Sin Coast on February 25, 2015, 02:34:52 PM
If that's the before pic Adam, here's some of the "after" pics: http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=25902.msg274944#msg274939
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: charlesthe2nd on February 25, 2015, 02:44:01 PM
Note taken, don't draw more attention than necessary.  Can't believe the marks it left on fishhunters kayak.  Insane! 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on February 25, 2015, 02:59:39 PM
whew! re-reading all that is spiking my PTSD! where's my MEDS!!  :smt009
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on February 25, 2015, 03:23:17 PM
no shit..knarly read ,and pics for sure  :smt009
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FishingForTheCure on February 25, 2015, 03:32:50 PM
Find the link to Mel's pics from capitola & the damage it did.  Quite similar.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on February 26, 2015, 10:01:39 AM
Find the link to Mel's pics from capitola & the damage it did.  Quite similar.
similar,,,, but very different.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FishingForTheCure on February 26, 2015, 10:05:26 AM
Find the link to Mel's pics from capitola & the damage it did.  Quite similar.
similar,,,, but very different.
I'm sure!  I wasn't playing it down or trying to compare your experience to his & vice-versa.  I'm still amazed every time I look at the story & images.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on March 03, 2015, 12:53:25 PM
 :smt001

http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/great-white-sharks-exploit-angle-sun-while-hunting#overlay-context=technology/blind-man-now-able-see-shapes-thanks-bionic-eye
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: RHYAK on March 03, 2015, 01:08:11 PM

What are the odds that you'll even see or come into contact with a GWS in the months that they seem to be in our area?  Given that, what are the odds that a GW will attack a kayak?

Not in a MILLION YEARS. All these stories are made up and false...

Sharks do not even frequent Cali waters.

 :smt044 :smt044 :smt044 :smt044

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: RHYAK on March 03, 2015, 01:09:49 PM
Never, ever
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fisherman X on March 03, 2015, 03:09:35 PM
Never, ever

 - - - shiver - - - shiver
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Red Abalone Diving on March 03, 2015, 08:41:33 PM
http://www.sharkmitigation.com/field-testing.html (http://www.sharkmitigation.com/field-testing.html)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on March 10, 2015, 06:24:34 PM
http://www.ksbw.com/news/great-white-shark-warning-sign-posted-at-marina-state-beach/31720858
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on March 10, 2015, 06:32:03 PM
Sean R. van Sommeran posted this on his FB page this week... doing air observations by the beached whale carcass
"we call this one 'chop', its has lopped off upper tail section and we can recognize it from the air, we've seen this one quite a few times over the seasons. Its a good one"

aprox 5 meters "robust proportions"
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bpowa on March 11, 2015, 10:05:16 AM
This picture just gives me the willies :smt101

Ariel shots get a sense how big the predator really is.   

This famous picture was a real picture taken around African water.



Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PISCEAN on March 11, 2015, 10:29:13 AM
Local News has a Shark Warning for Marina Beach after surfers watched an approx "18 foot" GWS pursue and consume a sea lion on Monday 3/9/15
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mdoka_matt on March 11, 2015, 10:58:08 AM
From PCSN   

http://sharkresearchcommittee.com/pacific_coast_shark_news.htm

Santa Cruz      —    On March 5, 2015 Wendi Zuccaro and her Mother, Pat Brandhorst were shopping on the Boardwalk Pier in Santa Cruz. It was 12:20 PM under a windless clear sky with an estimated air temperature of 67 degrees Fahrenheit. The ocean was choppy with good water visibility and large kelps present in the area. There were 80 – 100 pinnipeds present swimming at surface, diving down and heading to rest and feed under the pier. Zuccaro reported;  “My mother and I were looking out a window from a shop on the Boardwalk Pier when we noticed a large seal, about 6 or 7 feet in length, swimming at the surface. We saw what appeared to be a dorsal sticking fully out of the water behind the seal and to its right side about 10 – 15 yards. As the seal swam by us at the window, it did not seem to notice anything stalking it and just kept swimming at the surface at a slow, but regular pace, almost as if it was ‘cruising around.' When it passed by, the full size, shape and view of the shark could be seen following it. The shark was about10 feet long, first dorsal about 1 1/2 feet long, a grey body with white showing under the snout, black eyes, sleek but full body, very aware of the surrounding. We watched this stalking behavior for just less than 2 minutes. Suddenly, the shark made a sharp right turn heading directly under the pier which allowed the seal to continue on, even though I doubt the seal ever noticed its presence. We left the shop and alerted the patrol office on the pier who said they were going to send a jet ski out in ‘a few minutes' to look into the matter, but didn't seemed concerned at all even though there were swimmers, kayaks, and surfers in the area. That was at 1230 hrs. We left the pier and headed to the point to watch the surfers and noticed a large number of birds had arrived at the end of the pier and at the water surface and were feeding on ‘something.' We kept an eye out for the patrol to go out and look around. At 1445 hrs, they sent a truck out to Cowell's Beach and a boat to investigate the exact area we specified. At this point, all the birds that had gathered to feed were all gone.” Please report any shark sighting, encounter, or attack to the Shark Research Committee.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mdoka_matt on March 19, 2015, 09:04:21 AM
A few months ago I made up this spreadsheet cataloging the info from the Shark Research Committee. I took out names and other information, and have everything set to sort by date, activity, county. Feel free to add in information, including encounters that aren't included in the. I think I made it so it's publicly editable.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AsDZD6HrodCmdHMwNEVNaEI2M2ZpRktoaG5hUUVQcEE&usp=drive_web#gid=0

I just updated the sheet with my "incident".
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fish Master1 on March 19, 2015, 01:14:13 PM
We should have wrote them about our account. :smt012
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Rock Hopper on March 19, 2015, 01:18:38 PM
We should have wrote them about our account. :smt012

It's never too late, fool!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fish Master1 on March 19, 2015, 01:32:36 PM
There was an article somewhere, I don't remember where though. :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: StinkyPete on March 19, 2015, 06:02:11 PM
Didn't know there was a thread on this...

I had a sighting about three weeks ago off Coral Street. Saw it about 15 feet away from me. I was in about 45' of water and saw it above and to the right of me. About 16'-18'.

Probably not related to the one that was spotted at Marina last week, although the size is about the same.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Cabeza de Martillo on March 20, 2015, 06:25:34 AM
This picture just gives me the willies :smt101

Ariel shots get a sense how big the predator really is.   

This famous picture was a real picture taken around African water.

That shark is approx 15- 20 ft in front of the yak in the pic giving it the "Fish Sniffer" effect.
Big shark yes but probably closer to the size of the yak.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on March 20, 2015, 06:38:09 AM
yeah good call it is perspective enhanced for sure..... my concern is not seeing one surface swimming/inspecting the kayaks or seals...so much as having one you never see do the i.b.m launch on a yak....
seeing one is one thing..swimming with one in a flash and having the yak ripped from under my ass is no beuno
and I would hope this does not happen...I would have a stroke right there i bet  :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fish Master1 on March 20, 2015, 07:56:47 AM
Heres the only pick I was able to shoot. He was thrashing a seal..
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on March 20, 2015, 10:17:38 PM
scuse my foul mouth ..but...f  :smt009 ck that..no thanks....I dont like to see them..I'm scared..lol

here is an aquarium pic from their film we watched there today..reminds me of the fin show form the friendly one that I saw 12/21/13 about a mile from Andy's pic
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bulldog---Alex on March 21, 2015, 05:24:55 AM
scuse my foul mouth ..but...f  :smt009 ck that..no thanks....I dont like to see them..I'm scared..lol

here is an aquarium pic from their film we watched there today..reminds me of the fin show form the friendly one that I saw 12/21/13 about a mile from Andy's pic

Craig. My sighting was end of December 2012 as well. Right at the edge of the kelp in 60 to 70 ft of water at lovers point. 15 footer cruised right under my 14.5 aluminum with my , at the time 69 year old dad. Shook him up a bit.  :smt009



Alex
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Mousemanx on April 20, 2015, 01:42:35 AM
http://m.aol.com/article/2014/06/10/something-in-the-ocean-is-eating-great-white-sharks/20910101/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_197169&ncid=txtlnkusaolp00001346

Kinda interesting
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Danglin on June 10, 2015, 07:16:20 PM
Yikes….

  Shark Shield…  ???    :smt087

  http://www.bing.com/videos/search?&q=Deep+Blue+great+white+shark&qft=+filterui:videoage-lt1440&FORM=R5VR5#view=detail&mid=588F553C4A51AA0F3A31588F553C4A51AA0F3A31
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: SlackedTide on June 10, 2015, 07:25:28 PM
Wow!!!!  GPS tag it.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: masterandahound on June 10, 2015, 07:33:11 PM
Holy ... WOW !

That thing looks like a 25 foot long football. Somebody's been having seconds !  :shark
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PISCEAN on June 11, 2015, 08:02:25 AM
dats a big girl!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: LilRiverMan on June 11, 2015, 09:52:03 AM
And after she had her pups, she said, I'm hungry and headed towards Vandenberg AFB to visit Rhyak
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Yowlie on June 11, 2015, 11:00:47 AM
And after she had her pups, she said, I'm hungry and headed towards Vandenberg AFB to visit Rhyak

And "let me go find another diver or sport boat, cuz they have chum!!!" :smt013
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on June 25, 2015, 03:43:10 PM
10 great whites at the cement ship today--some 15--one they say is 20'

if you have Fbook its on these guys page--could not link video

https://www.facebook.com/SpecializedHelicopters?fref=nf
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Archie Marx on June 25, 2015, 03:47:26 PM
10 great whites at the cement ship today--some 15--one they say is 20'

if you have Fbook its on these guys page--could not link video

https://www.facebook.com/SpecializedHelicopters?fref=nf

Awesome!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PablitoPescador on June 25, 2015, 04:02:38 PM
10 great whites at the cement ship today--some 15--one they say is 20'

if you have Fbook its on these guys page--could not link video

https://www.facebook.com/SpecializedHelicopters?fref=nf

Awesome!
And Beerhunter wants to fish Santa Cruz this weekend :smt044 :smt044 :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on June 25, 2015, 04:09:56 PM
we should get like ten guys and go troll that area with carpet seals and go pros
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: AlsHobieOutback on June 25, 2015, 07:18:33 PM
10 great whites at the cement ship today--some 15--one they say is 20'

if you have Fbook its on these guys page--could not link video

https://www.facebook.com/SpecializedHelicopters?fref=nf
15 They say: http://www.ksbw.com/news/lifeguard-competition-canceled-in-aptos-after-great-white-sighting/33780190
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PablitoPescador on June 25, 2015, 07:37:32 PM
10 great whites at the cement ship today--some 15--one they say is 20'

if you have Fbook its on these guys page--could not link video

https://www.facebook.com/SpecializedHelicopters?fref=nf
15 They say: http://www.ksbw.com/news/lifeguard-competition-canceled-in-aptos-after-great-white-sighting/33780190
What better way to show off your lifeguard skills than to join a feedy frenzy of the ocean's most terrifying predator :smt005
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bulldog---Alex on June 25, 2015, 08:49:11 PM
Great ! I thought about Capitola for tomorrow. Think it can wait a bit. Guess I will work on the boat instead. Uggg.

There is always SWS. (Still Water Sharks ? )  :smt003

Alex
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Lost_Anchovy on June 26, 2015, 07:14:55 AM
Why aren't they shutting down the beach or there is a public warning or announcement? Usually 1 gws near a public beach or in capitola will draw a response  but 15!! Aptos is 5 min away from capitola. What gives.
 is this a hoax?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FishingForTheCure on June 26, 2015, 08:38:13 AM
Time to walk across the street & treat myself to a heli tour of the GWS
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on June 26, 2015, 09:25:10 AM
Yikkes!!
i would go somewhere else to swim, fish or enjoy the water. when they are that concentrated, they must be ready to eat something.
Who's been chumming?   :smt009 

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: dilbeck on June 26, 2015, 09:31:26 AM
Any idea as to why they are congregating there?  Is there that much food and bait in the water?

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: agoodhi on June 26, 2015, 09:46:08 AM
yikes, gonna have to postpone the butt hunt for another weekend...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Rock Hopper on June 26, 2015, 10:47:36 AM
yikes, gonna have to postpone the butt hunt for another weekend...

Some of us are hitting Paradise this Saturday!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: sazunala on June 26, 2015, 11:19:53 AM
Seems like they might be trying to load up before heading west to do the nasty. :smt008
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Darius (Burong Isda) on June 26, 2015, 02:26:56 PM
I know its posted yesterday but this seems updated today.

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2015/06/26/great-white-shark-sightings-force-lifeguard-competition-cancellation-in-santa-cruz-area/

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on June 26, 2015, 02:50:52 PM
I want to do a fundraiser - take bids to swim around the cement ship at midnight after rubbing down with pro cure---
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on June 26, 2015, 07:38:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOhVNWnfIZA
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on June 26, 2015, 07:41:27 PM
I want to do a fundraiser - take bids to swim around the cement ship at midnight after rubbing down with pro cure---

That would make a great real-world test of the shark shield. You could bill it as shark shield vs pro cure...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on June 26, 2015, 08:20:22 PM
joking aside..a shark shield may just be on my wants list now...no need to be a pussy--but no need to be a dumb dumb  either 

15 sharks one location but still-in our bay X big ass bay X lots of big sharks + Red Triangle choice of fishing grounds=  :smt001

+ we are hitting multiple locations weekly and going into 10-240 f,o.w and doing zig zag cover every foot some days lol

=   shark shield research on my mind!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm3iwINTF90
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: masterandahound on June 26, 2015, 08:21:40 PM
Contrary to the helicopter company reports, researchers are saying that there were about 15 juveniles in the 6-10' range. Sounds like the reports of 20 footers were greatly exaggerated. 

To be clear though, I'm still not getting in the water regardless.  :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: MikeinFresno on June 29, 2015, 02:42:18 PM
I saw 3 headed SW near mile bouy on Sat 6-27 at about 1200 noon.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FishingForTheCure on June 29, 2015, 02:51:11 PM
There were some bigguns on the heli footage using the nearby boat for reference in the images.  Over 10' for sure.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PablitoPescador on June 29, 2015, 03:19:21 PM
The ones that have been attacking beachgoers in South Carolina are either GWS or Bull sharks in the 6-10' range. They'll bite your arm off whether they're 6' or 20'. I feel like there's more potential to get attacked by a juvenile than a large OG shark. Them babies gotta be a little more curious I would think
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fish Flogger on June 30, 2015, 06:46:52 PM
I think if they want people to come to the beaches they should stop flying helicopters over them.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: E Kayaker on June 30, 2015, 07:56:33 PM
I'm not sure if this has been posted before, I didn't want to look through 49 pages.  :smt044

Average Number of Deaths per Year in the U.S

Bee/Wasp   53
Dogs   31
Horse   20
Spider   6.5
Rattlesnake   5.5
Bull   3
Mountain lion   1
Shark   1
Bear   0.5
Scorpion   0.5
Centipede   0.5
Alligator   0.3
Elephant   0.25
Wolf   0.1
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: stoked4fishin on June 30, 2015, 08:01:09 PM
I love the Ron Burgundy post! :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bushy on June 30, 2015, 08:34:49 PM
Juvenile GWS target fish.  Transition to marine mammals as teenagers....12-14 foot range.

Bushy
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: CassisCaKe on June 30, 2015, 10:41:14 PM
If anyone want to try their luck fighting one on a rod and reel, use live mackerels!  :smt003 jk, I know it's illegal since they are endangered.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PablitoPescador on July 01, 2015, 08:35:41 AM
Looks like we got some northern rookery going on. You SC butt hunters are some brave/foolish folk
http://m.ksbw.com/news/great-white-sharks-still-swimming-at-aptos-capitola-beaches/33881234?utm_campaign=KSBW%20TV%20Action%20News%208&utm_medium=FBPAGE&utm_source=Social
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mdoka_matt on July 01, 2015, 09:20:52 AM
Looks like we got some northern rookery going on. You SC butt hunters are some brave/foolish folk
http://m.ksbw.com/news/great-white-sharks-still-swimming-at-aptos-capitola-beaches/33881234?utm_campaign=KSBW%20TV%20Action%20News%208&utm_medium=FBPAGE&utm_source=Social

Don't feel left out Paul.  Im sure they will make an appearance at MBK before too long   :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PablitoPescador on July 01, 2015, 11:54:16 AM
Looks like we got some northern rookery going on. You SC butt hunters are some brave/foolish folk
http://m.ksbw.com/news/great-white-sharks-still-swimming-at-aptos-capitola-beaches/33881234?utm_campaign=KSBW%20TV%20Action%20News%208&utm_medium=FBPAGE&utm_source=Social

Don't feel left out Paul.  Im sure they will make an appearance at MBK before too long   :smt003
I hope they do! And when they do I wanna be broped up to you and your sharkshield with the GOPRO going :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FishingForTheCure on July 01, 2015, 12:57:11 PM
If anyone want to try their luck fighting one on a rod and reel, use live mackerels!  :smt003 jk, I know it's illegal since they are endangered.
Sounds like their numbers are rebounding quite fast!

   Maybe it's time for a 'slot limit' on them or a C&R only type situation ...  sleigh ride!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: cam3087 on July 04, 2015, 10:18:40 PM
Diving albion today in 30ish feet of water at mid column I see a seal swim right underneath me. A few seconds later I see a shark tailing it. I'd guess 9-10 ft.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Live2Fish on July 05, 2015, 09:44:40 AM
Yikes!  Better the furbag than u!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FishingAddict on July 05, 2015, 11:22:51 AM
I came across this pup at the Santa Cruz wharf on 7/3.  It was alive but barely breathing.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on July 19, 2015, 06:42:56 AM
saw this on Fb today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M5oUHsKH4o
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Tote on July 19, 2015, 06:57:18 AM
HOLY $#!T!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: 9erfan on July 19, 2015, 07:57:04 AM
Insane!!!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: snapperhead on July 19, 2015, 08:03:19 AM
I can't view the link???   I tried it a 2nd time and it worked. That is F'n insane!!!!!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on July 19, 2015, 08:26:03 AM
And I thought 'I' had bad days at work before
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: - on July 19, 2015, 08:51:41 AM
Craig I guess that what you meant when you told me yesterday mid swim, "I've seen things but I don't really want to tell you about em just right now...."  :smt005
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: RBark on July 19, 2015, 09:18:33 AM
Craig I guess that what you meant when you told me yesterday mid swim, "I've seen things but I don't really want to tell you about em just right now...."  :smt005

 :smt005 :smt005 :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on July 19, 2015, 10:00:25 AM
you are one good swimmer!!!!  :smt001 ---but for sure--you got a screw loose in your engine room...... :smt044

Martin was like I will just swim by myself from here --in 150 f.o.w  during july in the red trianlge...I was like ..you know maybe just let me and Amy paddle on each side, in case you get a cramp......meanwhile I'm thinking...blood in the water soon  lol    :smt005 :smt005 :smt005

Craig I guess that what you meant when you told me yesterday mid swim, "I've seen things but I don't really want to tell you about em just right now...."  :smt005
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Darius (Burong Isda) on August 17, 2015, 04:35:02 PM
Interesting Article...

http://www.sfgate.com/outdoors/article/It-s-a-red-alert-for-great-white-sharks-6446565.php#photo-8230340

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Pompano120 on August 17, 2015, 06:01:42 PM
i thumb up x100 times when i read this.. i want to but i can't

Don’t tell those of us on the water about the low odds of getting nailed — keep “more likely to get hit by lightning,” etc., to yourself. The lottery math doesn’t make you feel any more secure out there, believe me.

so Mr. whitey is on top of the food chain? aren't killer whales on top of them?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: CassisCaKe on August 17, 2015, 10:19:30 PM
Was skiff fishing at around the SC3 buoy on Saturday morning when a juvenile GWS cleared the water just like 10 10 yards behind our boat. Then, it proceeded to just float there in the water next to us and showing its fin above the water line. After about a minute, it moved somewhere else. Just a FYI if you are on a kayak around Capitola.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FishingForTheCure on August 18, 2015, 09:01:55 AM
Was skiff fishing at around the SC3 buoy on Saturday morning when a juvenile GWS cleared the water just like 10 10 yards behind our boat. Then, it proceeded to just float there in the water next to us and showing its fin above the water line. After about a minute, it moved somewhere else. Just a FYI if you are on a kayak around Capitola.
Sure it wasn't a Salmon shark?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: RHYAK on August 18, 2015, 09:19:28 AM
Kayaker just attacked off Gaviota State Beach.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: beenfishin on August 18, 2015, 09:47:40 AM
Yikes, any details?  Hoping they're all right.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: RHYAK on August 18, 2015, 11:12:37 AM
Yikes, any details?  Hoping they're all right.

none yet
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PablitoPescador on August 18, 2015, 11:51:47 AM
Damn! I was just talking to some yakfishing buddies who live in Ventura about a Gaviota mission and he said it's been really sharky. Hope they're alright :smt013
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PISCEAN on August 18, 2015, 12:05:06 PM
Damn! I was just talking to some yakfishing buddies who live in Ventura about a Gaviota mission and he said it's been really sharky. Hope they're alright :smt013

yeah, last I heard was chances for tanker seabass and halibut, but white sharks too.
It has always seemed like sort of a "Bean Hollow" area for Santa Barbara County.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PablitoPescador on August 18, 2015, 09:05:19 PM
Sooo any details emerging from this shark attack Rhyak?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: masterandahound on August 18, 2015, 09:12:03 PM
Details on the Gaviota Beach attack ... http://www.ksby.com/story/29828348/shark-chomps-fishermans-kayak-off-gaviota-state-beach

Everybody is ok and unharmed.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: SASQUATCH on August 18, 2015, 09:22:45 PM
I'm convinced its the silhouette of the kayak that triggers the strike. Has anyone heard of this happening to small boats? If only there was a way to change the silhouette of a kayak when viewed from below.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: SeaWeed on August 18, 2015, 10:52:57 PM
The Neighbor has a friend whom painted different patterns on the bottom.

That being said my son told me tonight that there have been Dorado out there. I said to him at the islands? His answer was no off Gaviota Beach. He is the first one to tell me that. Maybe the guys down there are keeping it hushed up. Like they do when the White Sea Bass are on the bite around here. So now I'm going to check into some PB sites and see what pops up.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Frenchy on August 19, 2015, 07:34:29 AM
Glad he is OK. Not sure how I will react myself...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on August 19, 2015, 08:05:02 AM
HolyShit!  glad to read no lives were lost.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fisherman X on August 31, 2015, 10:24:26 AM
Morro Strand Campground

(https://s2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/e6e2AjUNG9HY3aFxFzu5eg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztxPTg1/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/gma/2015-08-30/02fc8300-4f4c-11e5-8974-d99d4b451958_Shark_bite_surfboard_Elinor_Dempsey_150830_DC_4x3_992.jpg)

While Elinor Dempsey wasn't injured in her encounter with a shark Saturday, her surfboard didn't fare as well.

Dempsey was surfing in front of Morro Strand Campground in the central coast of California when she noticed what she thought was a dolphin underneath her board, according to supervising ranger Lisa Remington of the California Department of Parks and Recreation. But then the animal -- believed to be a great white shark -- went after her.

Dempsey pushed the board toward the shark as she jumped off. Nearby surfers helped bring her to shore. Park rangers evacuated the water soon afterwards. Dempsey was later reunited with her board, which had a 14-by-8 inch piece chomped out of it.

Fish and Wildlife biologist Mike Harris, who was also in the area, said the bite was likely made by a 6-foot-long great white shark.

Dempsey told the San Luis Obispo Tribune that she was shaken but more upset that she never had enough time to surf. “I didn’t get a wave,” said the 54-year-old surfer. “That’s the worst part -- I got no waves.”

Further down the coast, in La Jolla, California, kayakers and swimmers had a terrifying encounter with a hammerhead shark that was caught on video. A hammerhead shark about 8 to 10 feet long followed the kayakers and swimmers all the way to the shore, according to ABC affiliate KGTV in San Diego. Video showed it circling the kayakers.

Beaches reopened Sunday after they were closed as a precaution.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: masterandahound on August 31, 2015, 10:40:39 AM
Dayuuummmmmm !
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: agoodhi on August 31, 2015, 10:46:40 AM
she doesn't seem to be fazed by it... now she has a souvenir to hang on the wall.  glad she made it out safe!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: beenfishin on August 31, 2015, 11:00:48 AM
Sure doesn't look like a curious/investigative type bite, that's one hell of a chomp!  Must be a typo in the article calling the shark 6-foot....maybe 16'.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Sin Coast on August 31, 2015, 03:48:40 PM
(https://s2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/e6e2AjUNG9HY3aFxFzu5eg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztxPTg1/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/gma/2015-08-30/02fc8300-4f4c-11e5-8974-d99d4b451958_Shark_bite_surfboard_Elinor_Dempsey_150830_DC_4x3_992.jpg)
Fish and Wildlife biologist Mike Harris, who was also in the area, said the bite was likely made by a 6-foot-long great white shark.

Uhh, yeah...6 feet?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on August 31, 2015, 04:01:05 PM
Morro Strand Campground

“I didn’t get a wave,” said the 54-year-old surfer. “That’s the worst part -- I got no waves.”


A cool customer there...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: bmb on September 01, 2015, 01:42:04 PM
BFS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJTydvBqQJo
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: NotaSeal on September 01, 2015, 02:42:33 PM
It probably doesn't help having all those idiots from the Discovery Channel out there training these GW to bite everything they throw out there. You know they chum them to get them to come in and then lure them into "attacking". And they get fed as reinforcement.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Yowlie on September 02, 2015, 07:24:58 PM
It probably doesn't help having all those idiots from the Discovery Channel out there training these GW to bite everything they throw out there. You know they chum them to get them to come in and then lure them into "attacking". And they get fed as reinforcement.

Agreed.  And the dive magazines advertise shark dive charters with pictures of people hand feeding wild hammerheads and bulls.  Brilliant.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PablitoPescador on September 02, 2015, 07:28:56 PM
It probably doesn't help having all those idiots from the Discovery Channel out there training these GW to bite everything they throw out there. You know they chum them to get them to come in and then lure them into "attacking". And they get fed as reinforcement.

Agreed.  And the dive magazines advertise shark dive charters with pictures of people hand feeding wild hammerheads and bulls.  Brilliant.
They don't let people feed grizzlies in Yellowstone...why the hell are they feeding sharks  :smt011
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Archie Marx on September 02, 2015, 07:43:26 PM
It probably doesn't help having all those idiots from the Discovery Channel out there training these GW to bite everything they throw out there. You know they chum them to get them to come in and then lure them into "attacking". And they get fed as reinforcement.

Agreed.  And the dive magazines advertise shark dive charters with pictures of people hand feeding wild hammerheads and bulls.  Brilliant.
They don't let people feed grizzlies in Yellowstone...why the hell are they feeding sharks  :smt011

Yeah, I have often wondered if white sharks get habituated (or have any flee response to humans in the first place). Either way, I don't see anything good about reinforcing the idea that humans=food. 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bird on September 03, 2015, 06:15:05 PM
Agreed, sounds like a real dumb idea to habituate sharks to food associated with humans.

Was just looking at the TOPP research project website.  Some interesting differences in seasonal patterns of shark activity at Ano Nuevo, Farallones, Hopkins versus Tomales.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on September 04, 2015, 09:54:23 AM
why is Ano all RED?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bird on September 04, 2015, 10:11:57 AM
why is Ano all RED?

Looks like a lot of individuals with tags that spend a lot of time within range of the acoustic detectors, especially Sep-Feb.  I think the elephant seals arrive in big numbers during Dec.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on September 04, 2015, 10:33:27 AM
thanks for the clarification John.......looks RED HOT!!  YIKKES!! 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: CptSloppywood on September 04, 2015, 10:39:09 AM
Do you know where in Tomales the detections occur, I spend alot of time fishing Tomales alone and this does not make me a happy camper :smt009
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Rock Hopper on September 04, 2015, 10:41:36 AM
It's outside of the bay somewhere near Pt. Reyes, I think.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: CptSloppywood on September 04, 2015, 10:45:27 AM
Thanks Dustin! that makes me feel better :smt001
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Rock Hopper on September 04, 2015, 10:47:25 AM
Thanks Dustin! that makes me feel better :smt001

Does it?  That's only a few tail swipes away from Doran!  :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: CptSloppywood on September 04, 2015, 10:48:59 AM
DUDE.... c'mon now! hahha
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: AlsHobieOutback on September 04, 2015, 11:01:08 AM
Darius is planning a hookup in Sept.  :smt004
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: LilRiverMan on September 04, 2015, 11:18:47 AM
Quote
why is Ano all RED?

If you bait and tag a lot more sharks at a particular location, as they do at Ano, then of course  you will get more pings as they either stay around the area or habitually return there.

 No or less tagging in an area means fewer pings because you are not accurately sampling a population.

We have had sightings at Shelter Cove. Russian Gulch, TC and etc this year, but I don't remember seeing any posts about sighting near Ano and we know people are still fishing it. - They just don't post up due to the negative feedback.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Sin Coast on September 04, 2015, 11:26:51 AM
I think Bird is saying that it's odd to see Tomales has 0 pings in Aug, Sept, October...which is very surprising. According to those charts, Tomales gets most of its GWS traffic in Nov-Dec...but they appear to linger in that area for a longer part of the year.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bird on September 04, 2015, 12:15:17 PM
I wouldn't draw any conclusions on population size based on these data as presented.  Just interesting to see the seasonal differences at Tomales compared to the other sites.   Also assuming the acoustic detector buoys were working across the year - lots of abrupt cut-off where all sharks appear or disappear.  I remember reading that after a shark was killed by a killer whale at the Farallones during their usual winter period that all the sharks disappeared within a day or so, so some precedent for sudden disappearance of all sharks from an area.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fisherman X on November 03, 2015, 04:46:03 PM
GWS Photos from South Africa -

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: SRJ on November 03, 2015, 05:02:12 PM
Astounding pics!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: YakColumbo on November 03, 2015, 05:56:21 PM
Wow! Effin impressive!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: fishtacoz88 on November 03, 2015, 09:01:32 PM
What a hang time!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Sin Coast on November 28, 2015, 10:47:19 AM
Does this link work? Recent gws footage outta SCruz
https://www.facebook.com/cody.rodebaugh/videos/10206212734054467/
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: 9erfan on November 28, 2015, 11:19:10 AM
Yup it works. Was it just after 4:20 when this was filmed?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Tsuri on November 28, 2015, 12:05:55 PM
Gnarly bra! Always 420 in SC for these dudes I bet.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FishHunt(Ty) on February 17, 2016, 02:09:53 PM
There is a shark attack on the Hobie PA at Central coast a year ago. Wonder any body know it.

https://www.rapidmedia.com/kayakangler/categories/news/3909-i-survived-a-great-white-shark-attack.html

anybody want peddle for fishing!!!!!!!!!!!!! :smt013
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: masterandahound on February 17, 2016, 03:02:03 PM
There is a shark attack on the Hobie PA at Central coast a year ago. Wonder any body know it.

https://www.rapidmedia.com/kayakangler/categories/news/3909-i-survived-a-great-white-shark-attack.html

anybody want peddle for fishing!!!!!!!!!!!!! :smt013
That's NCKA/CCKF member Rhyak. Check the search function, there is a full report and firsthand account of the attack in a thread here on the site.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on February 17, 2016, 03:05:18 PM
he was on shark week to this season... :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: masterandahound on February 17, 2016, 03:19:15 PM
he was on shark week to this season... :smt003
That's a hell of a way to get your fifteen minutes of fame !  :smt004
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FishHunt(Ty) on February 17, 2016, 03:21:33 PM
As far as I know, there were four sharks attacks on the Hobie peddle kayak and one on the ocean paddle kayak. I think I am going to sale my hobie rev. soon :smt002.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on February 17, 2016, 03:28:08 PM
 :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: DG on February 17, 2016, 03:30:51 PM

As far as I know, there were four sharks attacks on the Hobie peddle kayak and one on the ocean paddle kayak. I think I am going to sale my hobie rev. soon :smt002.

Yeah that's crazy talk.  I have two Hobies and a shark shield to encourage them to go elsewhere. 

Ohhhh and by the way. I hope I am never on shark week.  For any reason. 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: trianglelaguna on February 17, 2016, 03:38:37 PM
what??????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ku0idWkeo0
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fisherman X on February 17, 2016, 06:41:53 PM
I've heard people call them GW top-water lures. Always wondered if there was an extra attraction.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FishHunt(Ty) on February 17, 2016, 08:47:31 PM
:smt003

Yeah, Look likea new yellow tuna top water lure spicies, jummy, jummy.... Time to change to Eddyline kayak :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: borntoscout on June 16, 2016, 08:50:42 AM
The mystery of the GWS

http://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/07/great-white-shark-research-population-behavior/?utm_source=NatGeocom&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=inside_20160616&utm_campaign=Content&utm_rd=1800002484
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Weimarian on June 16, 2016, 11:28:56 AM
:smt003
Ok, that there is just uncanny! Looks just like a BIG ASS TUNA
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: snakecharmer on July 21, 2016, 11:59:23 AM
I had a shark sighting yesterday 7/20/16 at Linda Mar, just north of Pedro Point.  I heard a swish sound behind me as I was pedaling along.  I looked, and there was a dorsal fin, with a vertical tail fin, both sticking out of the water, maybe 20 feet away, max 30.  The distance between the dorsal and tail was between 4 to 5 feet, so 8-10 foot shark?  I don't know the species, but the tail fin was not that of a thresher or of a blue shark. 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on July 21, 2016, 12:44:39 PM
i once told an NCKA Brother that just got followed by one, not to think weak thoughts, they'll pick up on it and test you.   :smt009

Your actions were strong, so it swam away to seek the weak. Congrats on the "escape" and to live to fish another day.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: snakecharmer on July 21, 2016, 01:29:33 PM
I was hoping it would come back so I could get a better look!  One of my favorite parts with being on a kayak is to see the creatures we don;t get to see so close up, such as dolphins. porpoises, whales, and now sharks.  Never got to see one so close in the wild.  And it was funny to me that I was not scared at all. 
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PISCEAN on July 21, 2016, 01:31:58 PM
i once told an NCKA Brother that just got followed by one, not to think weak thoughts, they'll pick up on it and test you.   :smt009

Your actions were strong, so it swam away to seek the weak. Congrats on the "escape" and to live to fish another day.

it works! :smt003 :smt006
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Malibu_Two on July 25, 2016, 07:56:46 AM
A great white killed a seal in the south corner of Linda Mar yesterday, fyi. A bunch of surfers saw it happen I guess.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: piski on September 16, 2016, 03:46:06 PM
Juvenile jumping at Ocean Beach Wed.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Great-white-shark-Ocean-Beach-SF-leaps-air-video-9225829.php
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Eddie on September 16, 2016, 05:29:37 PM
Juvenile jumping at Ocean Beach Wed.
http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Great-white-shark-Ocean-Beach-SF-leaps-air-video-9225829.php
Seen it and pretty cool yet juvenile, I think I used to be like that, I can joke now that I have a shark shield, hope it works.....
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: yakyakyak on July 11, 2017, 01:56:15 PM
Just for the historical record, not to scary anybody.  GWS attackes on yaks, one in Monterey, the other in Santa Cruz (see below).  It's been unusually warm ocean in 1st half of 2017.


Monterey on 3/18/17 (in front of aquarium):

Original post:
http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=77582.0 (http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=77582.0)

Pics of boat:
https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-gTMjCB/ (https://www.smugmug.com/gallery/n-gTMjCB/)

Youtube video:
https://youtu.be/XQQZifTGY1Q (https://youtu.be/XQQZifTGY1Q)



Santa Cruz on 7/11/17 (around Steamer Lane):

Original post:

http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=79388.msg908713;topicseen#new (http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=79388.msg908713;topicseen#new)


Article:
http://www.ksbw.com/article/great-white-shark-attack-in-santa-cruz/10290927 (http://www.ksbw.com/article/great-white-shark-attack-in-santa-cruz/10290927)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: El Cap on August 11, 2017, 09:17:11 PM
I just saw this thread - see my recent GWS post in the General Info section - maybe the Administrator can move it to the appropriate forum.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: yakyakyak on August 11, 2017, 09:37:01 PM


See El Cap's detailed reports below.  Location is between Pescadero Point and northern Bean Hollow, happened on 8/1/17:


http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=79764.0

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: - on September 01, 2017, 09:19:52 AM
http://www.ocregister.com/2017/08/31/san-onofre-swimmer-explains-how-it-feels-to-have-a-sharks-teeth-on-her-leg/

poke the eye = save your life
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: yakyakyak on January 02, 2018, 07:06:39 PM

Anybody know where this is?  A shark (GWS?) and a surfer ....


https://youtu.be/2oA24LTsEZk (https://youtu.be/2oA24LTsEZk)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Jason B on January 02, 2018, 07:18:22 PM
   Uuuh dunno but I just pooped myself!!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: chopper on January 02, 2018, 07:22:21 PM
Dolphin. Clip is from OB in SF. Dolphins drop in all the time out there. When the surf is smaller and all the kooks come out the "shark" sighting reports increase dramatically.

Cheers,
Brad
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on January 02, 2018, 08:21:52 PM
Looks like a shark fin to me. A dolphin fin would have some curve on the back side, no?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: yakyakyak on January 02, 2018, 11:40:28 PM

Whatever it is, it is big enough to check out a surf board (guessing the surfboard is at least 7+ ft).

https://www.seewinter.com/12-different-dolphin-dorsal-fins/

http://www.surflook.com/how-to-tell-if-a-fin-above-the-water-belongs-to-a-shark-or-dolphin/

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bushy on January 03, 2018, 08:31:29 AM
You know I always strive to "de-sensationalize" GWS sightings or interactions but it doesn't really look like a dolphin fin to me either.

Bushy
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Weimarian on January 03, 2018, 08:46:23 AM
There's no mistaking that fin.... GW shark.... They are always around though. Just one of the hazards we face playing on the ocean.  :smt006
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: yakyakyak on January 03, 2018, 08:52:16 AM
There's no mistaking that fin.... GW shark.... They are always around though. Just one of the hazards we face playing on the ocean.  :smt006

Agreed, no doubt that we are visiting their neighborhood.

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: beerhunter on January 03, 2018, 11:48:45 AM
from the youtube page.


Occurred on December 12, 2017 / San Francisco, California, USA

"I was out surfing. When I was paddling towards a wave, I turned on my GoPro. Such was my concentration in getting that set that the first second I saw the fin, I sort of tried to race it so I could get the second wave of the set.  Then I stopped and thought about what just happened."
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: chopper on January 03, 2018, 12:47:41 PM
Go and look through YakYakYak's first link - there's a lot of variability in fin shape, size, etc. I live at OB and surf it regularly. Dolphins are out all the time and they love to surf the waves just as we do, which is what that dolphin was doing. I'm not dismissing the fact that we're in the landlord's realm, but that video is not an unfamiliar sight at that local.

Cheers,
Brad
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Bushy on January 03, 2018, 04:56:39 PM
Maybe cause it's slo-mo, but I still think it's a litle questionable.  personally.  In faster motion, it might more resemble that surface breaking arch the dolphins do.

Bushy
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 27, 2018, 08:03:00 PM
Found this...read at your own mental risk...still gonna fish... :smt005 :smt006

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/01/26/pacific-coast-shark-attacks-on-the-rise-and-kayakers-may-be-most-at-risk/
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: SlackedTide on January 27, 2018, 08:38:58 PM
I will donate to a orca breeding study if there is one....
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Eddie on January 27, 2018, 10:47:00 PM
I will donate to a orca breeding study if there is one....
GWS is Orca candy.... :smt006
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Saw on January 28, 2018, 10:50:31 AM
Interesting:

"He said the incidents with kayakers last year don’t show a predatory behavior, like they do when sharks are striking for food. And it’s not a case of mistaken identity, a goof on the shark’s part thinking kayaks are whales or sea lions.

It’s most likely “displacement behavior,” meaning the shark wants the object, or person, to leave the area."
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Eddie on February 11, 2018, 04:50:55 PM
Big shark
http://fishlawsons.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Wilderness medic on February 11, 2018, 05:03:03 PM
Taken by a Reach pilot flying over fort Bragg last week
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Tez on February 11, 2018, 06:57:25 PM
nadda tagged

I wouldn't trust them...nothing has pinged on their Tomales buoy in a long time.  Probably broken   :smt001

Big shark
http://fishlawsons.blogspot.com/
Looks like that was a prank...the fin did look weird
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Eddie on February 11, 2018, 07:19:07 PM
Dang, that's kinda funny not funny.... :smt005
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: SlackedTide on February 11, 2018, 07:50:41 PM
Damn pranks!!!! :smt013
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: CptSloppywood on February 11, 2018, 07:55:05 PM
It's a hoax! Go to the bottom of the article.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Sin Coast on March 12, 2018, 05:40:51 PM
I don't remember hearing much about this incident, but a gws attacked a skiff in Capitola last summer. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/87855010-157.html
Title: GWS attack at S. Farallon today
Post by: SRJ on October 23, 2018, 05:55:49 PM
Shark researcher and Farallon Island urchin diver, Ron Elliott, was attacked today at the S. Farallon Island. He received injuries to his hand/arm. Flown to medical care and said to be ok. He just released a documentary two weeks ago called, "near miss", about nearly getting whacked by a GWS last year...then today he did get some teeth into himself. Elliott has arguably the most encounters with GWS than anyone on earth due to all his years diving solo at the Farallon Islands.....somewhere north of 400 in the water encounters over the  years. That said, he's lucky in many ways, not to have paid a much bigger price....that man has some serious stories to tell!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fish Master1 on October 24, 2018, 10:07:33 AM
Mess with the bulls you will get the horns. Dude is crazy!!!
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: JamesM on October 24, 2018, 12:05:01 PM
There was one inside of the HMB green can on Monday. My buddy captured the footage on his underwater camera. Tax man checked out his salmon lure.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Eddie on October 24, 2018, 12:20:31 PM
There was one inside of the HMB green can on Monday. My buddy captured the footage on his underwater camera. Tax man checked out his salmon lure.
Wow, guess I missed it...phew...who's camera?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: JamesM on October 24, 2018, 12:22:47 PM
There was one inside of the HMB green can on Monday. My buddy captured the footage on his underwater camera. Tax man checked out his salmon lure.
Wow, guess I missed it...phew

The real reason I left early. LOL
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: masterandahound on November 07, 2018, 03:16:37 PM
From the Lawson's Landing report ...

GWS dines on a seal off of Bird Rock, 11/5/18
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Eddie on July 14, 2019, 09:03:43 PM
https://www.sfgate.com/whales-sharks/article/fisherman-catches-great-white-shark-in-sf-bay-14094757.php
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: DeltaYakR on July 15, 2019, 08:35:40 AM
https://www.sfgate.com/whales-sharks/article/fisherman-catches-great-white-shark-in-sf-bay-14094757.php

Saw the FB live post in morning the day of then later in the evening the news posted it. Buddy of mine sent it to me and said wait for the end! Looks like the GW was hooked in the South Bay and was trying to get out the gate. The original video is like 12mins. GW was in the mood for salmon. Salmon is the way to go for shark fishing in the bay. They use midshipmen for the cow sevengills around angel island.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fisherman X on August 07, 2019, 12:33:37 PM
7 meter - Deep Blue - oh my!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8raLJHzWqVA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8raLJHzWqVA)


Deep Blue Hunts Elephant Seals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlpNooty0io (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlpNooty0io)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: eksblenny on August 07, 2019, 03:56:21 PM
 I don't know if you guys have seen this old video before, but it focuses on shark research near Ano Nuevo just north of Santa Cruz.

The "elephant seal cutout" they use to attract the great white sharks to the surface sure looks pretty similar to the outline of a yellow kayak!

Fast forward to 5:40 to see the cutout!

https://vimeo.com/10136995
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Malibu_Two on August 08, 2019, 09:34:34 AM
Might as well add to this thread.
We've had three GWS encounters in the last two summers.

The first was last summer off of Rockaway Beach. A great white swirled behind us - we think it charged and turned away - and then followed us for about 15 seconds. It was probably 8 or 9 feet in length.

The second was in June 2019 off Point Reyes and it made physical contact. It charged us from the bottom - I could see it on the FF - and then gave us a light whack. I think it turned at the last second and its fin hit us. Then it splashed behind the boat and was gone. Never actually saw it but I have no doubts about what it was.

Then last Sunday we saw a small great white do a full breach about 20 yards from us.

All encounters were incredible and exhilarating. So far I prefer encounters with inquisitive young great whites to oblivious cruising humpbacks.
The Hobie TI gives us a good sense of security and so far sharks don't seem too interested in messing with something 10 feet wide.


Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mdoka_matt on August 08, 2019, 10:46:10 AM


The second was in June 2019 off Point Reyes and it made physical contact. It charged us from the bottom - I could see it on the FF - and then gave us a light whack. I think it turned at the last second and its fin hit us. Then it splashed behind the boat and was gone. Never actually saw it but I have no doubts about what it was.


This happen to me in Capitola a couple years ago...What a rush. Hope not to have that rush again
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on August 08, 2019, 01:42:56 PM
So far I prefer encounters with inquisitive young great whites to oblivious cruising humpbacks.
The Hobie TI gives us a good sense of security and so far sharks don't seem too interested in messing with something 10 feet wide.

Never had any issue with sharks but did have a close encounter with a humpback. It was pretty intense to see something the size of a bus just 3 or 4 feet below my small plastic boat.

Your TI might be less likely to get bit than a regular kayak, but sharks have been known to bite skiffs, so you might not be that much more secure...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.santacruzsentinel.com/2016/07/12/large-great-white-shark-cruising-capitola-waters-bites-boat/amp/
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: mdoka_matt on August 08, 2019, 02:06:59 PM
So far I prefer encounters with inquisitive young great whites to oblivious cruising humpbacks.
The Hobie TI gives us a good sense of security and so far sharks don't seem too interested in messing with something 10 feet wide.

Never had any issue with sharks but did have a close encounter with a humpback. It was pretty intense to see something the size of a bus just 3 or 4 feet below my small plastic boat.

Your TI might be less likely to get bit than a regular kayak, but sharks have been known to bite skiffs, so you might not be that much more secure...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.santacruzsentinel.com/2016/07/12/large-great-white-shark-cruising-capitola-waters-bites-boat/amp/

I would love to own an AI; dont get me wrong, but I worry about correcting capsized AI in the event of a full blown attack.  A speedy self rescue is critical in this instance.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: yakyakyak on August 08, 2019, 07:13:58 PM


Then last Sunday we saw a small great white do a full breach about 20 yards from us.

Where if you dont mind me asking?

Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: NowhereMan on August 08, 2019, 09:09:19 PM
I would love to own an AI; dont get me wrong, but I worry about correcting capsized AI in the event of a full blown attack.  A speedy self rescue is critical in this instance.

If my AI capsized due to a shark attack, I'd be out of the water on top of the upside-down AI way faster than I could possibly right a kayak and get back on board. Yes, righting an upside down AI takes some effort, but that could wait until the immediate danger passed.

At least that's my theory, and I hope that I never get a chance to test it...
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Malibu_Two on August 08, 2019, 09:51:41 PM
The breach was at Rockaway. I think it would be quite difficult for a GWS to capsize an AI. It’s such a wide platform. I don’t think that’s a reason not to buy one. The protection and stability it offers far outweighs the risks IMO.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Cabeza de Martillo on August 09, 2019, 07:21:36 AM
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

If you listen quietly you can here the sound of butt holes puckering.  :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: PISCEAN on August 09, 2019, 08:37:12 AM
Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

If you listen quietly you can here the sound of butt holes puckering.  :smt044

...and the sound of shark shields arming :smt002
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: charles on August 09, 2019, 10:20:03 AM
For what it's worth I think that shark attacks mainly come from below to top and are triggered by seal/sea lion/elephant seal profiles. Short fat kayaks most resemble their prey from below. Longer yaks in the 16 foot range much less so. Adding outriggers probably destroys any seal family resemblance. GWS may come up for a curiosity look but not a food hunt for AI's.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fisherman X on August 09, 2019, 12:03:57 PM
The problem with shark shields is the battery doesn't last long enough for a day of fishing at The Cove w/ Eric!   :smt003
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Cabeza de Martillo on August 09, 2019, 12:33:58 PM
For what it's worth I think that shark attacks mainly come from below to top and are triggered by seal/sea lion/elephant seal profiles. Short fat kayaks most resemble their prey from below. Longer yaks in the 16 foot range much less so. Adding outriggers probably destroys any seal family resemblance. GWS may come up for a curiosity look but not a food hunt for AI's.

It would look like 2 or 3 pinnipeds from below instead of one.
Mother and calf(s)
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fisherman X on August 09, 2019, 12:46:14 PM
it's wishful thinking
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: El Cap on August 12, 2019, 09:03:23 AM
I was blasted out of my Cobra Tourer (which is 15' and very heavy) by a GW about 2 years ago off Pescadero - you can search for my post on this forum.  From the bite marks it was estimated to be 10-12', and it hit hard enough to launch me in the water and flip the kayak over.  I climbed on the overturned kayak and remained there like that for quite a while, until my buddy paddled over, and until my heart rate calmed down.  Then I had to get back in the water and flip the boat over - which I did in record time!  I got the nerve to go back out fishing 3 months later in the same area, and was buzzed by an even larger GW - swam alongside of me w/ dorsal fin out of water, spun around bow and i poked him in the back with my rod tip.  I don't kayak fish on the coast here anymore, I fish off boats.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Darius (Burong Isda) on August 12, 2019, 09:09:26 AM
I was blasted out of my Cobra Tourer (which is 15' and very heavy) by a GW about 2 years ago off Pescadero - you can search for my post on this forum.  From the bite marks it was estimated to be 10-12', and it hit hard enough to launch me in the water and flip the kayak over.  I climbed on the overturned kayak and remained there like that for quite a while, until my buddy paddled over, and until my heart rate calmed down.  Then I had to get back in the water and flip the boat over - which I did in record time!  I got the nerve to go back out fishing 3 months later in the same area, and was buzzed by an even larger GW - swam alongside of me w/ dorsal fin out of water, spun around bow and i poked him in the back with my rod tip.  I don't kayak fish on the coast here anymore, I fish off boats.
Damn!! Seen them up close and personal. That area where you at hold the biggest and baddest GWS. I still fish it  :smt044
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: FisHunter on August 13, 2019, 10:22:49 AM
I was blasted out of my Cobra Tourer (which is 15' and very heavy) by a GW about 2 years ago off Pescadero - you can search for my post on this forum.  From the bite marks it was estimated to be 10-12', and it hit hard enough to launch me in the water and flip the kayak over.  I climbed on the overturned kayak and remained there like that for quite a while, until my buddy paddled over, and until my heart rate calmed down.  Then I had to get back in the water and flip the boat over - which I did in record time!  I got the nerve to go back out fishing 3 months later in the same area, and was buzzed by an even larger GW - swam alongside of me w/ dorsal fin out of water, spun around bow and i poked him in the back with my rod tip.  I don't kayak fish on the coast here anymore, I fish off boats.
Welcome to the "BLASTED" club!......good to read that no blood was shed and that you escaped physically unharmed. I continued to fish the area the following year, but it was not fun there anymore, mentally.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Fisherman X on September 28, 2019, 09:15:59 PM
Last Wednesday at the Farallons - from Coastside, photos by Seadevil. Taxman vs furbag. Estimated at 15’
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Sin Coast on October 25, 2019, 11:06:07 AM
Another kayaker attacked by GWS in Cambria this morning. Waiting to hear the details.
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Sailfish on October 25, 2019, 11:17:22 AM
https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/local/article236651378.html
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Doug the plumber on October 26, 2019, 05:23:58 AM
A lil something I found on another forum about the Cambria attack

https://www.refugeforums.com/threads/white-shark-attack-today.1052153/
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Deepwater on October 26, 2019, 12:09:34 PM
http://www.sharkresearchcommittee.com/pacific_coast_shark_news.htm
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: JohnnyAb on October 26, 2019, 07:42:36 PM
According to the photos, the guy was wearing a GoPro
Pics? Video?
Title: Re: Official GWS Thread
Post by: Yosemite Rob on October 27, 2019, 01:04:07 PM
Was there another one off Carmel yesterday (10/26)? A local came down to SWS launch around noon and claimed there was an attack around 9-10am off Carmel Beach, but I didn't see anything anywhere to confirm. It was the guy with the smart car looking BMW electirc subcompact that I see pretty regularly at the launch so seemed credible. He didn't say where he heard it from.