Federal judge strikes down California’s ban on high-capacity gun magazines

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  Part of the swearing in of all military is that they will support the Commander in Chief (the President).

Interesting!  I did not know that!

That changes everything. brb going to go buy a cruise missile and some AA guns.

Enlistment Oath.— Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath:

I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

  Part of the swearing in of all military is that they will support the Commander in Chief (the President).

Interesting!  I did not know that!

That changes everything. brb going to go buy a cruise missile and some AA guns.

Enlistment Oath.— Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath:

I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

So which is it, defend and bear allegiance to the Constitution, or obey orders of the President et al. Not hard for me to see situations that I would consider a conflict.

But then again this is a thread on magazines.

  Part of the swearing in of all military is that they will support the Commander in Chief (the President).

Interesting!  I did not know that!

That changes everything. brb going to go buy a cruise missile and some AA guns.

Enlistment Oath.— Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath:

I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

So which is it, defend and bear allegiance to the Constitution, or obey orders of the President et al. Not hard for me to see situations that I would consider a conflict.

But then again this is a thread on magazines.

Also obey the orders of officers, who themselves did not swear an oath of fealty.

What a sticky wicket we have here!

Officers have an oath upon commission , The current form of the officer’s oath is found in Title 5, “Government Organization and Employees,” of the U.S. Code

5 USC §3331

...“I, AB, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”...

It's the same oath I took to practice law before various state and federal courts.

  Part of the swearing in of all military is that they will support the Commander in Chief (the President).

Interesting!  I did not know that!

That changes everything. brb going to go buy a cruise missile and some AA guns.

Enlistment Oath.— Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath:

I, (state name of enlistee), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.

So which is it, defend and bear allegiance to the Constitution, or obey orders of the President et al. Not hard for me to see situations that I would consider a conflict.

But then again this is a thread on magazines.

and the Presidents oath is

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

The president is the commander of the military, and as such, a person in the military has the duty to obey a direct order from a commanding officer.

I now return you to your original program. 

I really don't care if it is a 30 round magazine or a 10 round.  Creating a law over the maximum capacity of a magazine doesn't solve a problem.  It just creates a new law that law abiding citizens must follow.  If someone is hell bent on shooting up a place, the odds are that person is carrying enough ammo and can reload quickly enough to get the job done.  I don't think banning a type of gun solves the problem either. 

From the thread, I gather the underlying sentiment is to keep our rights but to also have the ability to stop someone from walking into a bar or church and shooting everyone they can. 

My main point with Chicago and other cities was more gun laws dont help. What would help is people raising there kids to make good decisions. I too believe in the system even as crooked as some of the people running it are. I'm not a semi auto or high capacity person myself but I believe people should have the right to choose.  The poster above was correct the government chips away a little at a time.

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I'm not a full auto or high capacity kind of guy.  But I do believe that is not really the issue.  The line is drawn, and it's not where you think it is.

And for you people making fun of this thread, there are a lot of people on both sides of the debate, that would appreciate that if you have nothing of substance to contribute except ridicule (either way), that you STFU.  Respectfully ...

-Allen

I'm not a full auto or high capacity kind of guy.  But I do believe that is not really the issue.  The line is drawn, and it's not where you think it is.

And for you people making fun of this thread, there are a lot of people on both sides of the debate, that would appreciate that if you have nothing of substance to contribute except ridicule (either way), that you STFU.  Respectfully ...

-Allen

What if I have something of substance to add, but choose to do so in a snarky way?

We've done these threads quite a bit, nobody is going to change anybody's mind, and if I want to paraphrase California Sen. DeLeon's retarded thirty magazine clip speech what harm is there in that?

A.S wrote:

<snipped> But I do believe that is not really the issue.  The line is drawn, and it's not where you think it is.

I’ve been reading this right along and seen good and bad arguments from each side. This may be the most interesting part so far. I’d like to hear more on this!

Nobody needs a fully semi-automatic 30 magazine clip.

Ridiculous.

I go back to this!  Which I think got this thread going 6 pages.
There is no such thing as a  fully semi- auto.   At least not that I know of. I served in the Army and I fired the Auto and the 1 pull 3 bullets. But I don’t know what a fully semi-auto is.
Like Dustin said “we’ve been trolled”

Nobody needs a fully semi-automatic 30 magazine clip.

Ridiculous.

I go back to this!  Which I think got this thread going 6 pages.
There is no such thing as a  fully semi- auto.   At least not that I know of. I served in the Army and I fired the Auto and the 1 pull 3 bullets. But I don’t know what a fully semi-auto is.
Like Dustin said “we’ve been trolled”

LMFAO 


Crash we all love ya man !!! 

I'm not a full auto or high capacity kind of guy.  But I do believe that is not really the issue.  The line is drawn, and it's not where you think it is.

And for you people making fun of this thread, there are a lot of people on both sides of the debate, that would appreciate that if you have nothing of substance to contribute except ridicule (either way), that you STFU.  Respectfully ...

-Allen

What if I have something of substance to add, but choose to do so in a snarky way?

We've done these threads quite a bit, nobody is going to change anybody's mind, and if I want to paraphrase California Sen. DeLeon's retarded thirty magazine clip speech what harm is there in that?

You're just upset you aren't king asshole.

Using humor to make a point is a reality that stands the test of time.  Using ridicule just to make people feel stupid over an opinion on an already polarizing issue ... bzzzt.  But that's just me.  Carry on.

-Allen

Nobody needs a fully semi-automatic 30 magazine clip.

Ridiculous.

I go back to this!  Which I think got this thread going 6 pages.
There is no such thing as a  fully semi- auto.   At least not that I know of. I served in the Army and I fired the Auto and the 1 pull 3 bullets. But I don’t know what a fully semi-auto is.
Like Dustin said “we’ve been trolled”

My main point with Chicago and other cities was more gun laws dont help. What would help is people raising there kids to make good decisions. I too believe in the system even as crooked as some of the people running it are. I'm not a semi auto or high capacity person myself but I believe people should have the right to choose.  The poster above was correct the government chips away a little at a time.

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I agree that adding laws will not stop the lawless.  But saying people should raise there kids to make good decisions as a solution to the problems in Chicago and other large cities is naive to ignorant of the reality that exists.