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Topic: Runaway kayak - looking for your comment  (Read 1394 times)

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I think you're right, things seems to enter slow mo when you're about to fall off.  I want to say I have a pretty good reaction on a spill event, but I agree that practice will make perfect. 

I've seen some of the commentaries on the AI boards, harness seems to be the way to go.  'gonna try the surf leash thing as an insurance.

      You're on a Raptor,, you won't fall off.

Accelerate too fast and he could somersault off the back! 

Make sure you have it trimmed properly to get up on a plane.


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I imagine there are times to tether your paddle, but for the fishing (and paddling) I do, I definitely don't want that. Main concern for me is in situations where moving water interacts with non-moving objects (e.g. strainers in rivers, swell/waves crashing on big rocks nearshore). I don't want any leashes, lines, or rope around me if I go into the water.

Offshore, trolling, big winds and swells, AI with sails up, big current water, etc. might be different (i.e. where if you get separated from your boat, you are in real trouble). You have to balance the risks.

I would never tether to the boat (unless I was on a sailboat!).

Agreed that when you go over, it's pretty instinctive to hold your paddle with one hand and grab for the boat with the other. If not, practice falling out more! (And practice quickly and easily getting back in. And keep your deck as clean and simple as possible. And always dress for immersion. And always wear your PFD.).

I think there was a good thread on this a while ago.
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My only real concern with this is when (solo) anchored out in big water far from shore with fast current.  IE anchored a mile plus offshore in Suisun Bay.  Current there is way faster than I can swim, with or without PFD (always worn).  I've thought about tethering but never done it.  Figured in that circumstance it would be a really ugly day but with wetsuit and PFD I'd get to shore safely, it would just be a long ass float/swim.  Anytime I've gone over (never in moving water tho) seems like an arm immediately lashes out and grabs the yak.

Maybe I should set up an auto QRAS release, maybe just tether a light line to pop the release.

Wind would be a big deal too if you reacted too slow.


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If I rig up a motor, I'm going to add a kill switch like you find on a jetski.
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I think you're right, things seems to enter slow mo when you're about to fall off.  I want to say I have a pretty good reaction on a spill event, but I agree that practice will make perfect. 

I've seen some of the commentaries on the AI boards, harness seems to be the way to go.  'gonna try the surf leash thing as an insurance.

      You're on a Raptor,, you won't fall off.

Jim, I actually feel really really good about being on the Raptor.  But I worry about everything, at least I'd like to get this answered to some degree.  'gonna tether to top of PFD or waist and will test high speed.  The surf leash should be good for on/off.  Tether is only on high speed, off otherwise.  You never know, that's the same reason why we buy insurance.  I can't discount stupidity as well ... for example, I may decide to surf standing up   :smt005


I also thought about grabbing the paddle, but my paddle is tucked in into a bungee paddle holder, may not come off easily. 






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If I rig up a motor, I'm going to add a kill switch like you find on a jetski.

Yup, I got the kill switch covered, it's the slide that I worry about.  Thx!
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I can picture a separation situation where you would quickly and irrecoverably lose contact with your kayak.  Anchored in current is one.  Strong, unexpected and sustained wind blow is another. 

A strong unexpected gust happened to an NWKA guy a few years back, you could see the wind whipping up the water as it blew toward his position.  When it hit, he huli'd into the cold water.  Watch the first few seconds of this video to see how fast it happens.



He didn't get separated, but I could easily see it happening.


That's a guy who didn't practice self rescue.
He took WAY too long to get back on then needed help doing so.
Gather and fix your shit later. Get back on first and foremost.
If you practice regularly you will learn your tipping point too and avoid that mistake more often than not.
Pretty freaking simple~ PRACTICE!
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Also- Carry your waterproof vhf radio on your PFD, which you are always wearing. If the yak gets away, you can still call for help.

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Looks to me like those new style seats create a center of gravity that enhances one's "opportunity" to flip over.  I think I'll stick to the sore ass scenario rather than the flip.

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    In 12+ years of fishing at least once a week I think I might have fallen off my Prowler 15 once, but since I don't recall the details, I think maybe I never have, except when practicing -and it's hard to get it to go over.
    But I almost never fish outside of Monterey/Carmel Bays, and I don't enjoy fishing in windy, rough conditions, so I watch the weather/wave reports pretty carefully, and have the privilege of fishing on weekdays if I wish, so I have a lot less pressure to go out in poor conditions. And I try to head in before it's absolutely mandatory, to give myself a little slack in case I get delayed getting in. 
    I suppose if you were on the open ocean where the wind could come up suddenly it would be a different story.  The swell shouldn't surprise you, with all the swell predicting websites,and if you look at a chart and FF now and then to stay away from shallow water, or move away if you see a breaking wave you didn't anticipate.
   I agree that the fewer tethers/ropes/stringers the better in case of capsize, and keep a knife on your vest that you can use with one hand in case you do get tangled


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  Anyone remember Albion a few years back,?     Windy,, nasty, about 5 people rolled  that day.    Dan ( Headwaters) was surfing in that stealth kayak, stopped to take this photo.
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I need to win that yak at the Tillamook event.  It looks like there may be some Loose Screws making the trip.

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I need to win that yak at the Tillamook event.  It looks like there may be some Loose Screws making the trip.

Martin

 Cool !!!    It's gonna be awesome ! 
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'tried my motor today.  The short story is, 'dont think you should worry about a high speed slide if you worry about battery usage  :smt044   I did bring that surf leash just in case ....  :-)

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I took a few spills in a Wilderness systems Tarpon 140. Gust were 60-80 with a constant 35mph wind.

The kayak never got far from. I did ended up needing a rescue because I couldn't stay on it due to waves and wind.



 

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