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I've alerted Brett at Stealth about this and am posting this as a heads up to anybody who might be trolling salmon

A couple of trips back I reached around for my rod and the rodholder lifted out with it, screws pulled loose from the glass.

The only stress that's been on the rodholder was from a handful of times that I tried trolling with the rod in back, which doesnt work well for trolling salmon.

Per Brett the rodholders are typically used more lightly where they are so weren't built for trolling weight, but they are taking note and may reinforce. Looks like I did the field test to prove they're not meant for pulling 2lbs for any length of time.

There may not be that many people out there pulling weight but I wanted to give the heads up about it.


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Thinking about this it seems unlikely that the little amount of trolling I did would be enough to strip the screws loose, and more likely it's two years of pulling rods out of rodholders that are a tight fit.

My shimano rods and net are snug fit, good and bad to that

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Second thing you will notice the flush mount rod holders are small and wont fit a lot of the poles, nets and gaffs we use in the ocean. Replaced with larger ones more common on kayaks outfitted here.

Big difference. Be careful not to strip the fiberglass when attaching. If you're more industrious than I, figuring a way to reinforce the flush mounts, especially those right behind the seat because of the flex in the glass, would be a most excellent upgrade.

Will go w Wizz's idea to upsize the rodholders and figure out a graceful way to reinforce


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If you go with Scotty rod mounts they have backing plates available now for their products. Just installed one & they are really nice for the price.


https://www.austinkayak.com/products/16707/Scotty-Backing-Plate-441.html?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping:%20ACK%20PLA&scid=scplp2392429&gclid=CM2TvJKP0McCFUhhfgodaLEGWw


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What was the solution?

Why not put a Scotty thing-a-ma-jig in front of the hatch?  And use Scotty extenders so you can reach.

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What was the solution?

Why not put a Scotty thing-a-ma-jig in front of the hatch?  And use Scotty extenders so you can reach.



Too weak for trolling big cannonball salmon weights.

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Wrong place and angle for salmon trolling anyway. I mounted a rod holder on the hatch in front of me. It's a RAM holder with ball on a YakAttak track. Those rear holders work perfectly for trolling larger live baits with little or no weight. And I have had good luck with American market Shimano rods fit wise.

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What was the solution?

Why not put a Scotty thing-a-ma-jig in front of the hatch?  And use Scotty extenders so you can reach.



Too weak for trolling big cannonball salmon weights.

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I don't understand.  Scotty mount + extenders + scotty rod does handle the weight. (On my plastic kayak)
I don't understand what you are saying.  Is the glass too weak?  I'm not sure......
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Wrong place and angle for salmon trolling anyway. I mounted a rod holder on the hatch in front of me. It's a RAM holder with ball on a YakAttak track. Those rear holders work perfectly for trolling larger live baits with little or no weight. And I have had good luck with American market Shimano rods fit wise.

Ruben

EDIT* I had to remove the butt cap cover on one rod.

A buddy of mine installed ball ram mounts on his kayak.  I'm glad he did.  It was a complete failure.  I scratched that off my list.  Ram mounts are good for GPS, phone, radio......Not for trolling 2 lb lead weights.

I still want to know if I can install a scotty rod holder mount in front of, not on, the hatch.
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I'm putting two rail blaza mounts like the one paddleguy did. Check it out onyoutube. He has some good videos about rigging.
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I'm putting two rail blaza mounts like the one paddleguy did. Check it out onyoutube. He has some good videos about rigging.

I have seen the video.  It looks good.  But are those 2lb trolling holders? 
What is so special about rail blaza compared to Scotty? 
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I just like the locks better. I used Scotty for years I just like the locking much on the rail blaza. They both work .
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I set up the T160 with Scotty and trolled 1 1/2 to 2 1/2 lbs for miles and miles without problem

Only thing with the Scottys is the teeth that hold it in position tend to smooth down out over time, so you have to replace them now and then

I may do the same on the hatch of the 575 but I tend to let ideas brew before doing something

In the case of the Stealth I want to make the most of the little bit of real estate that's there so still not sure what I'll do

I'll check out those other holders


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Wrong place and angle for salmon trolling anyway. I mounted a rod holder on the hatch in front of me. It's a RAM holder with ball on a YakAttak track. Those rear holders work perfectly for trolling larger live baits with little or no weight. And I have had good luck with American market Shimano rods fit wise.

Ruben

EDIT* I had to remove the butt cap cover on one rod.

A buddy of mine installed ball ram mounts on his kayak.  I'm glad he did.  It was a complete failure.  I scratched that off my list.  Ram mounts are good for GPS, phone, radio......Not for trolling 2 lb lead weights.

I still want to know if I can install a scotty rod holder mount in front of, not on, the hatch.
Yes, you can. But it is a long way to scoot to grab a rod going off. I have a Scotty deck mount (flush mount sets the rod right on top of the legs) on the hatch and have trolled both cut plug and sinker release with 24oz ball for over 200miles. I've also bounced 48oz balls off the bottom and hooked a halibut with the rod in the holder. 2years and no signs of stress or cracks. Plus I figure the hatch is far easier to replace or repair in case of problems over the long term.  Deck layout is highly personal of course, but I REALLY like where it's at for trolling. It's just far enough forward to not hit the paddle but close enough to easily grab with a fish on. I don't keep the rod there in transit, they either go in the fish hatch or behind and the rod holder itself goes in the hatch out of the way. You can still access the hatch with the rod in the holder as well.

The holder in front of the hatch I use for the camera/go pro, but it's solid and could be used for trolling. Again, it's a long way to slide up with a fish on IMHO.
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If you go with Scotty rod mounts they have backing plates available now for their products. Just installed one & they are really nice for the price.

+1. They also make slip discs so you can adjust the angle w/out having to reset the teeth position. They work great for trolling but vertical stuff, they can slip.
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