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Topic: [KFM] New Offshore Kayak From Wilderness Systems  (Read 3591 times)

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It's true that we're for the most part 'inshore', but some of us have ventured out more and more often to 3 miles and more offshore.  While it's still not as extreme as being past that major barrier at 10 miles where you're completely at the mercy of wind and swell with very little recourse if conditions change rapidly, being 2 to 5 miles out, especially off the north coast between Cape Mendo and Oregon, can be a reality check for sure. 

An 'offshore kayak' should address the need for ability to cover miles (obviously!), ability to deal with changing wind and swell conditions, stability, and performance when conditions deteriorate or the boat is swamped. 

Personally, I find stability to be the most important factor, as I can paddle my big, wide kayak 15 miles in mild to moderate wind and swell conditions with no problem.

An 'offshore kayak' will help you survive if you're offshore and things go from lake-like to nasty.  The bottom line in the worst conditions is whether you can stay on the boat, IMO.
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Offshore can mean various distances from the edge of kelp beds to out of sight of land. I think two to five miles off the beach in a fishing SOT kayak is probably getting close to "this is as far as we go" distance. Most everybody here at some time has experienced getting pretty tired getting back to launch point after venturing out a bit too far. I think whatever fishing kayak hull comes closes to expedition SIKs,  the true offshore kayaks, would be most useful for distant offshore fishing

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I don't think distance from shore is as important as distance from launch.  We can encounter the same water conditions right off the edge of the kelp bed as we can 5 miles off the beach.  What if I paddled 5 miles from the launch to a distance kelp bed.  The main difference is that I can bail out (assuming I have an adequate bail out point) if I'm closer to shore.  But if I chose to paddle back to the launch ... I can be paddling the same distance in the same slop.

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Quite true that inshore conditions can be as difficult as five miles offshore but if you are a quarter mile offshore and have to abandon the yak you could swim to the beach. Five miles out and swimming is probably not an option so the kayak and kayaker better have whatever it takes to get ashore. The effort to go the five miles might be the same but the consequence of failure to do so is different
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Like others have said, its more condition oriented.  On the gulf and east coast "inshore" waters tend to be shallower and more protected  often with sandbars between "land" and the ocean so swell isn't as much of an issue.  When I think of an offshore boat on the west coast that needs to handle 8 to 15 foot mixed swell and big wind waves from the beach to several miles out.  Basically, when the water is big and "the sheep are out" i want something fast enough to get home and stable enough that I dont go grey doing so.  A boat with reduced weathercock that can tackle big following seas is a must as well.  It would also be nice to have sealed bulkheads or a place for airbags just in case it becomes a life raft.

So, 16 to 18 foot, 33inches wide, upswept bow but low stern and retractable skeg to combat weathercock...  Basically a wider more plastic Profisha with tweaks... Or a tweaked T160...

But these are just my thoughts sitting on the pot...


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yeah, I'd say "offshore" means a yak made to paddle 10-12 miles in some chop & wind, at least that's a general realm that I need in a kayak.

I like the idea of a slightly fatter T160 with a rod pod-type cockpit hatch. My only concern would be hull weight for cartop loading.

I've had my T140 since 2002 and it is just such a solid boat I wonder if I'll be able to replace it with something better. Right now, the only thing it is missing is a rod pod.

After paddling composite touring boats for years, and then a Prijon Yukon Tour, I agree that the WS plastic boats are the closest to those stiffer hulls. I will hang on to my T140 for as long as I have space to store it.
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I like the idea of a slightly fatter T160 with a rod pod-type cockpit hatch.

Right now, the only thing it is missing is a rod pod.

Tour, I agree that the WS plastic boats are the closest to those stiffer hulls.

Those  are pretty good ideas.  :smt001
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I prefer the locking WS Orbix hatches to the "rodpod" style hatches. They're constructed better, safer, and I can easily store a 7ft one-piece rod while OTW. Plus it's way more comfortable on my crotchular region.
Not sure what's up with the Malibu-style hatch cover/kid seat on the new WS video? I wouldn't want something like that in 20kt wind.
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I prefer the locking WS Orbix hatches to the "rodpod" style hatches. They're constructed better, safer, and I can easily store a 7ft one-piece rod while OTW. Plus it's way more comfortable on my crotchular region.
Not sure what's up with the Malibu-style hatch cover/kid seat on the new WS video? I wouldn't want something like that in 20kt wind.

Y'know I didn't even consider the actual hatch type. I was just thinking of the general idea of a decent sized cockpit hatch for rod storage while beach landing. I'm not familiar with the Orbix hatches so now I have to go look them up :smt002
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I've seen a shorter version of the front hatch in mock ups too.
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