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Kayak Zone => Gearing Up and Rigging Up => Topic started by: Riverwatcher LT on December 13, 2017, 04:03:13 PM

Title: Lithium Batteries
Post by: Riverwatcher LT on December 13, 2017, 04:03:13 PM
RacinRob posted on the Wilderness Systems lithium battery for fish finders and GPS on 12/2 or so.  I'm looking for advice on lithium batteries for powering electric trolling motors.  I found two online apparently worth researching:  Seethroughcanoe sells a 50 AH for $669.99 and Waterblade sells a 50 AH for $349.  (Pdfs attached)

Anybody have experience with either of these?  Or have another recommendation?
Title: Re: Lithium Batteries
Post by: SlackedTide on December 13, 2017, 07:14:32 PM
Ouch my wallet is already hurting . What’s wrong with using a SLA battery with the same specs? Just curious.
Title: Re: Lithium Batteries
Post by: ShoopwhoopX on December 13, 2017, 08:16:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_0nb9eFsQs best thing I could find, lipos are scary because of the fire risk, our airplanes burn up all the time. this pack comes out to 11.1v just dont over drain it
Title: Re: Lithium Batteries
Post by: Riverwatcher LT on December 14, 2017, 08:40:56 AM
From what I've read online and heard from a couple of folks the benefits of lithium are as follows:

1)   Weight: Lithium-ion batteries are one-third the weight of lead acid batteries.
2)   Efficiency: Lithium-ion batteries are nearly 100% efficient in both charge and discharge, allowing for the same amp hours both in and out. Lead acid batteries’ inefficiency leads to a loss of 15 amps while charging and rapid discharging drops voltage quickly and reduces the batteries’ capacity.
3)   Discharge: Lithium-ion batteries are discharged 100% versus less than 80% for lead acid. Most lead acid batteries do not recommend more than 50% depth of discharge.
4)   Cycle Life: Rechargeable lithium-ion batteries cycle 5000 times or more compared to just 400-500 cycles in lead acid. Cycle life is greatly affected by higher levels of discharge in lead acid, versus only slightly affected in lithium-ion batteries.
5)   Voltage: Lithium-ion batteries maintain their voltage throughout the entire discharge cycle. This allows for greater and longer-lasting efficiency of electrical components. Lead acid voltage drops consistently throughout the discharge cycle.
6)   Cost: Despite the higher upfront cost of lithium-ion batteries, the true cost of ownership is far less than lead acid when considering life span and performance.
7)   Environmental Impact: Lithium-ion batteries are a much cleaner technology and are safer for the environment. 

Weight and performance are the two most important factors to me.  Yep the price tag hurts.  Hurts bad.......
Title: Re: Lithium Batteries
Post by: FishingAddict on December 14, 2017, 09:11:58 AM
Look at Lucky13's post about his trolling motor battery.  I've been using the same one for Dragonfly 7 FF for over 3 years without any issues.

http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=77228.msg899002#msg899002
Title: Re: Lithium Batteries
Post by: Tinker on December 14, 2017, 09:23:05 AM
From what I've read online and heard from a couple of folks the benefits of lithium are as follows:

Weight and performance are the two most important factors to me.  Yep the price tag hurts.  Hurts bad.......

Kind of odd because most of that is 180-degrees from what I read when debating getting a larger lithium battery than a blue brick.
Title: Re: Lithium Batteries
Post by: Riverwatcher LT on December 14, 2017, 02:59:47 PM
Hey Fishing Addict - Thanks tons!!!  The pictures and link were very helpful.  It looks like it might be cheaper and weigh less if I build it at home. I also appreciate the 3 years personal experience and the link advice on keeping it dry.  Great stuff thanks again.
Title: Re: Lithium Batteries
Post by: Riverwatcher LT on December 14, 2017, 03:07:14 PM
Tinker, thanks for mentioning the blue brick.  It led me to a thread (http://www.northwestkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=9059.0)

Got more reading a and price comps to do