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Kayak Fishing Zone => Safety First => Topic started by: SanddabMan on May 11, 2017, 12:33:54 PM

Title: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: SanddabMan on May 11, 2017, 12:33:54 PM
For some of you young'uns and kayakers with the liberty to hit the water often, this may not be such a big deal, but I haven't seen a lot of discussion on this topic. One of the near death rescues I pulled off years ago involved a guy who went kayaking when he was sick. He wasn't on his game, mentally or physically. While boating a fish he leaned over too far, capsized with his spray skirt off and one hatch open (and had peeled his wetsuit down to his waist due to warm weather!), and submerged both himself and his kayak. Sometime I'll try to post the whole story, but the point here is that he wasn't mentally or physically fit to be on the water that day, and I had to save his bacon. So to the point...I'm mid 40's, raising kids, career going nuts, high stress, no time for exercise. In my experience and knowledge, the ocean can eat you on a good day. On a bad day things can go full nightmare quickly. So you have to be on your game, or stay home and save it for another day. I'm sure there are a lot of suggestions out there, hence my starting this chat, but I figured I'd share a solution I came up with for my current life status. Last year I started working out at Paul Gale's Chinese Martial Arts Association in Arcata, doing Kung Fu. It's a lot better than jogging, treadmill or lifting weights, because it not only works your cardio, but works your muscles from head to foot with a ton of exercises that translate directly to paddling, peddling and fighting big fish. It's an internal martial art focusing on balance, posture and coordination as opposed to techniques and fighting. If you live in the area, drop by for a free month or even single workout to check it out. If you're out of the area and find yourself in my shoes, I can attest that a couple nights a week has helped me stay in good enough shape that I'll be able to jump back in the water if the wind ever dies down. Additional training that I've found very helpful is an occasional frolic in the surf with a sit-on-top kayak like and ocean kayak mailibu. Catch some waves, wipe out on a few, climb back on while getting tossed around, etc. You gotta plan for the unexpected headwind you'll sometime have to paddle against, or towing a crippled kayaker back to shore. Towing a disabled kayak was part of my second rescue on the ocean. Being in good enough shape to make it through rough water and help the guy back in his boat and then tow him in was critical. Hope this sparks some thought for those who are a bit out of shape like I was getting last year.
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: piski on May 11, 2017, 12:41:40 PM
Actually a good point.
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: DG on May 11, 2017, 02:01:46 PM
Martial arts sounds like a good workout. There is no way My body could handle it.  My main workout is actually getting into the water.  I don't claim to be in shape and personally limit going out in dangerous conditions.  I don't want anyone risking their lives for mine.  I carry safety gear and have no problem calling coast guard to help if I am not in good enough shape in any given scenario.  I am not going to pass on a kayak trip because I am not in shape enough for all possible scenarios.  For me diving is the best low impact training around and about all my body can handle on a good day. 
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: PISCEAN on May 11, 2017, 02:10:19 PM
It is a good point, especially as we all age.
Personally I have to put in a lot more effort these days then I used to just to maintain.
If I am a little sore and fatigued at the end of a day, I'm stoked.

I know each year that passes makes it that much more important.
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: Ho Chi Min Oh on May 11, 2017, 02:17:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldQrapQ4d0Y
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: NowhereMan on May 11, 2017, 03:31:52 PM
Good topic. I pedal a hobie so for exercise, I try to bike whenever I get the chance. One of these days I'm going to actually get out on the water to see if it's doing me any good...
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: SanddabMan on May 11, 2017, 03:54:09 PM
That's a good idea, DG, on the diving. I'm not set up for it, but swimming and diving would be good across-the-body workouts. The martial arts system we train in is referred to as an internal system. It's much different than most of the gyms/systems you'll see around. It's a lot more like Tai Chi, just a little faster, so we've traditionally had a lot of older folks in the gym because they can go at their own pace and not tear something or get beat up. I've been hearing quite a bit of complaining from folks I used to kayak or duck hunt with as they hit their 60s and 70s, they just can't do it anymore. Then I've been noticing a few friends in their 70s who bike everywhere around town instead of driving and I seriously can't keep up with them at 43. They're in darn good shape. Granted they don't have a bunch of kids and the same workload I have. So that's why two nights a week at the gym allow me to make it several miles out to my sanddab beds. My dad is one of those who was starting to wear out, but now that you mention it, he got a membership at the local gym/pool and at 70 he's starting to get back in shape from swimming laps a few times a week, to the point where he can keep up with me. I'm interested to hear other ideas for those who can't get out on the ocean often enough to stay in shape for a big trip.
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: crash on May 11, 2017, 03:58:06 PM
Last year I started working out at Paul Gale's Chinese Martial Arts Association in Arcata, doing Kung Fu. It's a lot better than jogging, treadmill or lifting weights, because it not only works your cardio, but works your muscles from head to foot with a ton of exercises that translate directly to paddling, peddling and fighting big fish. It's an internal martial art focusing on balance, posture and coordination as opposed to techniques and fighting. If you live in the area, drop by for a free month or even single workout.

That is a generous offer and I'd like to take you up on it.

I'm not giving up weight lifting tho. Maybe you would like to come lift sometime?  This is one of those times where the correct answer is Both. You should do Both.
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: NowhereMan on May 11, 2017, 06:29:02 PM
Here's a pretty interesting WSJ article that seems relevant to this discussion. The author didn't do martial arts, but he found that lots of stretching, balance training, etc., was key, so pretty similar principles. Unfortunately the article seems to be behind their paywall, so you might not be able to get to it for a few more days...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/giving-a-kidney-fixed-my-jump-shot-1494187432
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: SanddabMan on May 11, 2017, 06:49:43 PM
I forgot to mention surfing as another toning option. Back when I had time to surf I was in killer shape. Too many responsibilities to hit the waves much these days. I have to say I'm really glad I was in good shape both times I pulled off harrowing kayak rescues and helped a mom pull two drowning girls out of the Mad River!
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: Blue Jeans on May 11, 2017, 07:26:47 PM
I've started going back to metal concerts. Nothing like cross training in a pit. Arms pushing and shoving. Overhead presses as people crowd surf. Legs for jumping and running. Keeping your back and core tight to prepare for the next hit.
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: Cabeza de Martillo on May 11, 2017, 08:48:28 PM
I've started going back to metal concerts. Nothing like cross training in a pit. Arms pushing and shoving. Overhead presses as people crowd surf. Legs for jumping and running. Keeping your back and core tight to prepare for the next hit.

 :smt044 :smt044

Sounds like an A-hulls chill  :smt044 :smt044
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: FishWorks on May 11, 2017, 09:02:51 PM
I hear ya bro. Damn good point indeed. You just never kno wats going to happen out there on the big blue rather it be you or someone else and I can't just ignore a cry for help. I fill like its our duty. I would say I'm in pretty good shape too from my job, weightlifting, boxing, and running but i kno and fill like i could be better and in better shape. Good proper gear does make a difference tho and we should never fill ashame for calling for help if needed.
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: Str8FishiN on May 11, 2017, 10:43:14 PM
There were a couple of times last year when it was a complete workout getting back to my launch.  When the ripping current and strong wind team up against you after a long day of trolling, it sucks!  My legs are still sore from last year's salmon season but damn that was fun!  You better be ready to do work if you want to fish in the ocean
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: justyakit on May 11, 2017, 10:59:43 PM
You can do what Tony does too  :smt003

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISkp7eaoADc&index=5&list=WL

Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: Rock Hopper on May 12, 2017, 07:42:57 AM
I'm back to the gym three times a week, but it's more about getting my back ready to pull on some tuna in October.  :smt006

Mostly doing a bunch of cardio and light circuit training for now. I usually have my kids on the weekends these days, so instead of being out kayaking I've been sitting around the house playing with them. Not necessarily getting fat, but definitely stiffening up.
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: splashdown on May 12, 2017, 08:07:26 AM
I teach spin classes three days a week and we are the most advanced class in our area. I can get the entire class up a steep grade for the entire time or have them do a 40 minute spring drill, almost non-stop. Talk about being in shape. They are animals.

As for what else I do, I workout with weights 4-5 days a week too. Being retired lets me have all the time in the world if I am not doing HOW stuff. Even being a guy in his late 50's and pushing 60, I can still stay with the best of them. Reason being is I chose this lifestyle some 45 year ago and never stopped. Just recovered from major back surgery in two weeks and am back at it.

I also peddle a hobie, but I really enjoy being able to just clean the Outback on the top of my truck. Folks ask how I do it, I tell them I practice with a PA! :smt003
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: novofish on May 12, 2017, 08:09:36 AM
Nice thread, it's always good to be active, and OTW stuff can happen.
It's good to be prepared (thx scouting)

60yrs old and feeling the decline now, but my weekly regimen is:
Swim 1000+ twice a week
Cycle twice a week - indoors or out
Ping pong(my martial art LOL) once a week
House and yardwork - every fucking day
Kayak - hopefully, once a week

Really happy the weather is getting warmer now :smt001
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: Bushy on May 12, 2017, 09:29:15 AM
You can do what Tony does too  :smt003

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISkp7eaoADc&index=5&list=WL



Do I have to wear a Britney spears Microphone?

Bushy
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: oldfart on May 12, 2017, 10:25:34 AM
You can do what Tony does too  :smt003

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISkp7eaoADc&index=5&list=WL



Do I have to wear a Britney spears Microphone?

Bushy

Yes, and Miley Cyrus tights  :smt044
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: SanddabMan on May 12, 2017, 04:16:35 PM
Yeah Str8FishiN, That reminds me of a couple times we were surfing in Humboldt and got caught in really unique rip currents that wouldn't let us get to shore like usual, along with a time we got 6 miles off Trinidad and the wind unexpectedly switched to a SE, right in our face. That wind put us hours behind our paddling plan. Darn glad I was in shape all those times.
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: Ho Chi Min Oh on May 15, 2017, 10:39:08 AM
I have a contrary POV.  The fatter you are the more blubber you carry.  Blubber increases buoyancy and heat retention, two YUUUGE assets in case you go overboard into the drink.  You are doing yourself a disservice by slimming down.  Instead, why not model after the elephant seal, one of the most prolific anglers on our pacific coast.  Think about it.

Beer and donuts all around - it could save your life  :fat
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: Archie Marx on May 15, 2017, 10:56:01 AM
I have a contrary POV.  The fatter you are the more blubber you carry.  Blubber increases buoyancy and heat retention, two YUUUGE assets in case you go overboard into the drink. You are doing yourself a disservice by slimming down.  Instead, why not model after the elephant seal, one of the most prolific anglers on our pacific coast.  Think about it.

Beer and donuts all around - it could save your life  :fat
:smt044 :smt044 :smt044 :smt044


Shoot, If I can put on enough weight I won't even need the kayak. I'll fish with my teeth.
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: alien on May 15, 2017, 11:01:22 AM
I have a contrary POV.  The fatter you are the more blubber you carry.  Blubber increases buoyancy and heat retention, two YUUUGE assets in case you go overboard into the drink. You are doing yourself a disservice by slimming down.  Instead, why not model after the elephant seal, one of the most prolific anglers on our pacific coast.  Think about it.

Beer and donuts all around - it could save your life  :fat
:smt044 :smt044 :smt044 :smt044


Shoot, If I can put on enough weight I won't even need the kayak. I'll fish with my teeth.
I like that! :smt044 :smt044
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: Archie Marx on May 15, 2017, 11:16:11 AM
I have a contrary POV.  The fatter you are the more blubber you carry.  Blubber increases buoyancy and heat retention, two YUUUGE assets in case you go overboard into the drink. You are doing yourself a disservice by slimming down.  Instead, why not model after the elephant seal, one of the most prolific anglers on our pacific coast.  Think about it.

Beer and donuts all around - it could save your life  :fat
:smt044 :smt044 :smt044 :smt044


Shoot, If I can put on enough weight I won't even need the kayak. I'll fish with my teeth.
I like that! :smt044 :smt044

It reminds me of Vonnegut's Galapagos.
Title: Re: Physical Conditioning and Preparation
Post by: piski on May 15, 2017, 12:41:58 PM
I have a contrary POV.  The fatter you are the more blubber you carry.  Blubber increases buoyancy and heat retention, two YUUUGE assets in case you go overboard into the drink.  You are doing yourself a disservice by slimming down.  Instead, why not model after the elephant seal, one of the most prolific anglers on our pacific coast.  Think about it.

Beer and donuts all around - it could save your life  :fat

Trolling!  :smt044