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Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: KZ on December 31, 2004, 11:09:34 AM
OK... if these storms get past us this week, this weekend should be prime time sturgeon conditions once again.

Here's the tides for Gallinas Creek on the 7th and 8th... this is the creek leading out from Buck's Landing.

http://www.mobilegeographics.com:81/graphs/2076.png?y=2005&m=1&d=7

I'm proposing a Launch at Buck's Landing on Sat. at about 10:00 AM... fish the outgo till just before dark.

Of course, we'll have to keep our eyes on the weather this week and see how things shape up.

Who's in?

Erik
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: ChuckE on December 31, 2004, 11:25:45 AM
Erik... count me in for at least one of those days.

-Chuck
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: SBD on December 31, 2004, 03:38:51 PM
Erik-I can't go on Sat. any chance you could join me and Chuck on Friday?  You deserve two days since its your last go for a while.
Title: sweet
Post by: promethean_spark on January 01, 2005, 01:10:27 AM
I'll be there.
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: KZ on January 01, 2005, 11:35:53 AM
Sean... I'll see about my work schedule on Monday... maybe I'll be able to take friday off... we'll see.  Otherwise it's Saturday for me.

Erik
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: SBD on January 01, 2005, 12:17:28 PM
Friday or Saturday?
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: mooch on January 03, 2005, 08:26:18 AM
Fellas - I have a four day weekend, so count me in on ANY day.
Title: sat 8th
Post by: Hat Trick on January 03, 2005, 09:01:42 AM
i would love to fish sat. but my new truck has no shell yet, therefore i cannot transport my kayak. maybe the shell will arrive this week.
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: mooch on January 03, 2005, 09:05:25 AM
Chris - you can use my ghetto style kayak pick-up truck transport system.  Check it out on my fishing pics link.

"if there is a will....there is a way"

cowboy up baby!
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: KZ on January 03, 2005, 09:04:54 PM
I got Friday off work... so I'll be going on Friday 1/7 for sure... I may go again on Sat. 1/8 as well...

I built a new rod just for the occasion... Been meaning to build a lighter sturgeon rod for a couple years now.  This one will be a tad lighter in action than my normal rod, but a ton lighter in weight and very sensitive.  

It's a 7-foot, 15-25#, graphite/fiberglass composite blank (PacBayXG70L), spiral wrapped, Fuji SiC guides, Palm style reel seat, hard EVA foam grips... Guranteed to be the most sensitive sturgeon rod on the Bay.

Heck... I'll probably be able to feel them looking at the bait. :smt002  

Got a Shimano Triton TR100 reel coming for it as well... should be a good light sturgeon rod.  We'll see if it brings me any luck.  Can't wait to test it out.  

Probably jinxed myself with all the smack talk... but I can't help it... this stuff gets me excited.

Erik
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: ex-kayaker on January 03, 2005, 09:24:22 PM
Sorry to hijack the thread but I gotta do it.  I've always wanted an acid wrapped rod.  I've heard that they decrease line tension through the length of the rod.  Is that true?  I'm thinking of having a 9 foot noodle built for light line fishing(4-6 lb possibly 2lb).  Would a spiral work better than a conventional wrap?

Art
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: KZ on January 03, 2005, 09:53:58 PM
Art... an acid wrap will be ideal for a noodle rod... it is, in fact, ideal for almost all types of baitcasting/convential applications.  

The primary benefits are:

1.  Inherent rod stability... there is no side-to-side force on the guides like in a conventional rod.  You can open your palm when the rod is loaded and it will not rotate.  You fight the fish, not the rod.

2.  Increased lifespan... the side to side stress normally imparted on conventional rods is eliminated, so is the wear and tear that this normally causes to the guide frames, finish, and the blank itself.

3.  Increased sensitivity... you can usually use smaller, lower framed, and often fewer guides in the tip section since you no longer are concerned with spacing the guides tightly to prevent the line from hitting the blank under load.  This equals decreased tip weight and increased sensitivity.

To show you how this guide placement should look on a  long, noodly rod, the photo below shows a salmon mooching rod I did recently.  Notice that the line only touches the top or bottom of any given guide ring... never does the line exert stress on the side of the ring.  This is the proper way to set this up.  Of course with your light rod, you could use single foot guides in the tip section after the spiral transition is made.  

(http://www.fishingphotos.net/photopost/data/500/303MikeVRodFlexWeb.jpg)

Email or PM me if you want to discuss some more... or visit my website for more information.

Erik
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: ChuckE on January 04, 2005, 11:23:35 AM
Erik... that's an excellent explanation of the benefits of an acid wrapped rod.  You're making me want one.

Now, why aren't more rod manufacturers wrapping rods this way?

-Chuck
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: KZ on January 04, 2005, 12:33:26 PM
Quote from: ChuckE
Erik... that's an excellent explanation of the benefits of an acid wrapped rod.  You're making me want one.

Now, why aren't more rod manufacturers wrapping rods this way?



A couple spiral wrapped rods have been offered over the years, I believe by Loomis or St. Croix if I'm not mistaken.  They never really took off, nor were the very seriously marketed.  Basically, people have ingrained in their mind what a fishing rod ought to look like.  Anything that looks this different will turn a lot of people away immediately... writing it off as another "gimick".  It takes a lot of explaination to get the average consumer to understand the principles of acid wrapping... more than the manufacturers are apparently willing to invest in.

I'm fine with that... gives custom builders something unique to offer.
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: mooch on January 04, 2005, 04:06:37 PM
VHF channel 69 this Friday  :smt020 ??


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(4-6 lb possibly 2lb).


Hey Art - that's pretty sporting of you! You using this set-up for salmon next season? Hat's off to you bro!
Title: What's launch time?
Post by: Hobi-Wan Kenobi on January 04, 2005, 05:22:39 PM
What time are you guys heading out on Friday? I'd like to join and maybe another buddy from PF.C.
Anybody making a bait stop? I've got frozen herring to share, I'd like to split a dozen ghost shrimp and maybe 1/4 pound of grass shrimp for my 3 hook rig.
How many's going?

See ya's
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: ex-kayaker on January 04, 2005, 08:46:03 PM
Thanks for the info Erik.  I'll be getting in touch.  

Joel it will be salmon, stripers, halibut, rock/lings, whatever I can put a bait in front of.  I've been targeting mainly black bass and some stripers on the delta for about 3 years now using mainly 4lb Ande.  20-30 bass weekends were so common I had to change the game to keep it interesting.   Lightest I've used for rockfish was 6lb, some of the old salts on a charter boat nearly had heart attacks when I busted out the trout rod.  

Art
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: mooch on January 05, 2005, 08:51:21 AM
Art - do you use 4 lb. mono all the way to the hook or do you have heavier leader?

I'm a big fan of light line fishing! My biggest trout was an 8 # (from Shadow Cliffs in Pleasanton) - I was trolling a shad rap with 4# easy cast stren mono. (I replace factory treble hooks with gamakatsu trebles)

I also caught my biggest LM Bass = 5#  at the same lake trolling a shad rap with 4# mono as well.

Boy....big fish on light line really put's a fisherman (and his tackle) to the ultimate test  :smt023 GOTTA LOVE IT!

I give credit to my sharp gamakatsu hooks when I'm fishing light line - gotta have sharp hooks! I figure - you can't really set the hook with light line on a big fish - so your hook becomes the vital link between you and the fish - gotta make that hook stick with little effort.

What are your thoughts?
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: ex-kayaker on January 05, 2005, 07:59:20 PM
I normally fish plastics, jighead, drop shot or pegged texas rig, tied direct to mainline, lots of retying.  Throwing crankbaits can get expensive :smt001 I normally only throw them over structure where there's less chance of busting off.  I normally buy OWNER hooks but sometimes go for gamakatsu reds.  On a hookset I normally just reel down on em and kinda lift the tip quickly, using more wrist and less arm/body motion.  

For saltwater I'll be running a shock leader, probably 10-15 lb.
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: mooch on January 06, 2005, 08:54:52 AM
good info - thanks!

I think we should have a light line fishing tourney = Biggest fish caught on the lightest line  :smt007
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: SBD on January 06, 2005, 08:15:28 PM
Looks like Friday is off...hopefully things will improve for Saturday.
Title: Roll call
Post by: promethean_spark on January 07, 2005, 12:18:32 PM
Sounds like we're launching at 10AM from bucks (any later than 10 and the current will be ripping, I plan to arrive around 9)  who all else is in?  

I'll bring my giant net, but may need to borrow a snare if I catch a keeper.  Also a waterproof disposable camera to record our catches.

I presume I'll see a sign for bucks landing while going along north san pedro road.  Does bucks landing have a bait shop or is there one along north san pedro road?  I know there's one down 3rd st a bit by that marina.
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: ChuckE on January 07, 2005, 12:58:57 PM
I'll be there with my 3 foot snare.  I'll also have my VHF on 69.
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2005, 02:34:25 PM
I'll bring the digi!
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: KZ on January 07, 2005, 03:15:48 PM
So far so good... I'll plan to be there... unless the weather report looks really bad in the morning.  

Hight tide is 10:00... the current doesn't really get Ripping for a couple hours after that... so we should have plenty of time to get where we want to be if we're in the water by 10:00.

It's looking like the wind should be out of the SW... so if it's too windy up north... we may be able to find shelter by McNears or China Camp a little closer to shore as an alternate plan.

Sounds like it'll be myself, Chuck, Josh, Joel and Sean?  is that right?

Josh... Buck's landing has a little sign thats only visible if you're coming from the north on San Pedro Road... if you're coming from China Camp, it's the only road to your right (an extreme right) after you leave the park at the top of a hill before you get into the residential area.

Erik

Erik
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: polepole on January 07, 2005, 04:10:11 PM
You guys are nuts.   But now I'm kinda wishing I had all the gear ready to go for this.  But I have no anchor, no snare, and no partner to paddle front on the Triple.  I really don't want to be paddling the barge around in big weather with some current.

Anyone want a ride on the "cruiseship polepole"?  Bring your own anchor and snare and you get free passage.    :smt006

Or how about Sunday?  Gives me a chance to stock up on the gear.  I think Sunday might have some better weather as well.

-Allen
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: SBD on January 07, 2005, 05:00:44 PM
I built the new boat today, and set up an anchor...I'm ready!  Hope you guys aren't allergic to mango, this thing is a mango explosion!
Title: oh
Post by: promethean_spark on January 07, 2005, 05:08:58 PM
what's parking cost?  Need to make sure I've got the right change.
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: KZ on January 07, 2005, 05:45:49 PM
Last time we launched at Buck's, I went in the bar and gave the guy a $5 and he said that was good for the whole group of us.

Also, you better plan on having cash for bait... about $20 or so.

You can get bait at Western Bait or Loch Lomond (at the boat launch by the marina)... I always go to Loch Lomond because I kind of get a kick out of shootin' it with Keith Fraser.

You can use a debit card at Western... but cash only at Loch Lomond.

Erik
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: KZ on January 07, 2005, 06:19:25 PM
OK... here's the updated Saturday weather forecast for San Pablo bay from www.iwindsurf.com, updated at 6:00 pm.

8AM / 6 - 10  / SSW
10AM/7 - 11  /SSW
12PM/8 - 12  /SW
2PM/10 - 14  /SW
4PM /11 - 15 /SW
6PM/7 - 11  /SW


Not looking all that pretty... sunday is looking pretty darn good.  Hope that this storm moves through a little faster than normal and gives us a break tomorrow afternoon.

Right now... I'm planning to head out in the morning unless the wind sensors in the bay are clearly telling me otherwise.

Might be wise to take a drive around china camp and scout things out before buying bait.

Erik
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: Anonymous on January 07, 2005, 06:31:57 PM
This is Joel.. Hana Pa

I'll be there with my birthday suit on!
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: KZ on January 08, 2005, 07:05:01 AM
So here's the 7:00 AM updated forecast for SP Bay from Iwindsurf.com

8AM/ 3 - 7  / SSW
10AM/4 - 8  /SW
12PM/5 - 9   /SW
2PM/7 - 11   /SW
4PM/8 - 12   /SW
6PM/7 - 11   /SW

Presently, the wind is howling through the gate, but Rod and Gun club is reading light and variable... Larkspur is reading 5mph with gusts to 9 from the SSW.

I think it's worth taking a look, but we could get blown off.  My gut tells me that we may have to go with plan B and fish closer to shore and launch at McNears or something.

See you guys soon...

Erik
Title: Sturgeon on Saturday 1/8
Post by: SBD on January 08, 2005, 07:26:16 AM
If someone gets there early and its a no-go could you please call on my cell 707.217.5314.  I am out the door!