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Kayak Fishing Zone => Safety First => Topic started by: robohalll on January 21, 2017, 10:44:17 AM

Title: clothing and pfd's
Post by: robohalll on January 21, 2017, 10:44:17 AM
So I’m reading old post and the safety threads and I think I decided to get a wetsuit instead of dry or semi dry suit. Seems safer but less comfortable.  Then there’s the pfd at first I was considering an inflatable but after going through some old discussions I think I’ll go with the regular ones with minimal pockets in front mesh back.   Im curious how many of you wear the inflatable.  By the way the cold water immersion video is a must watch.  Any insight would be welcome, thanks
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: AlsHobieOutback on January 21, 2017, 11:01:37 AM
Most people started out with a wetsuit because they are cheaper than dry suits and when gearing up for your first time there is a lot of stuff to buy.  People that go often and want more comfort and have the money to spend will naturally switch to a dry suit, or dry something (lots of combos these days).  However if it's a question of safety, i'm putting on the wetsuit and dry top/splash guard, polarfleece and PFD.  It's pretty hard to sink in a wetsuit, and no question that a 5mil keeps me warm while in the water.  So what i'm trying to say is, buy both I guess  :smt044
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Cabeza de Martillo on January 21, 2017, 11:06:29 AM
I wear an inflatable with a farmer John 6.5 mm wetsuit.

You'll get use to the wetsuit. If you never wear a dry suit you'll never know what you're missing. It's more of a luxury item than a nessecity.

But I dive from my yak at least 90 percent of the time.

I would go with a standard PFD as opposed to an inflatable if I were you.

My inflatable also has no pockets for a radio, assesories etc.
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Mojo Jojo on January 21, 2017, 11:25:37 AM
Up here in Oregon I wear an Excel revolt 4mm surfers wetsuit and as a stocky futher mucker at 5'10 and 235 I'm plenty comfortable even at 6 hrs on the water. The waters a little colder up here. Just remember if you gotta tinkle you either gotta land and half undress or go and sit in it :smt044
I have honestly not had to peepee in my big boy suit...yet.. but have checked the car door jam for a leak a few times right after landing... in a hurry.  :smt002
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Fisherman X on January 21, 2017, 12:47:34 PM
I wear a 5/6 with titanium liner and a relief zipper.

It's fine for up to about 4 or 5 hours OTW. When I do 8 hours plus
& while trolling, it can get uncomfortable. I often dive for Abs then hook and line for fish. I use a kayak fishing PFD.
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Mojo Jojo on January 21, 2017, 12:59:53 PM
Up here in Oregon I wear an Excel revolt 4mm surfers wetsuit and as a stocky futher mucker at 5'10 and 235 I'm plenty comfortable even at 6 hrs on the water. The waters a little colder up here. Just remember if you gotta tinkle you either gotta land and half undress or go and sit in it :smt044
I have honestly not had to peepee in my big boy suit...yet.. but have checked the car door jam for a leak a few times right after landing... in a hurry.  :smt002

Let me add, I don't go in the water unless it's unplanned..... and usually it's the spin cycle at the end of the day OTW....... but I need to check the washing machine because it seams like my spin cycle don't get the excess water out! It ads it!!  :smt044
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Cabeza de Martillo on January 21, 2017, 02:39:40 PM
Up here in Oregon I wear an Excel revolt 4mm surfers wetsuit and as a stocky futher mucker at 5'10 and 235 I'm plenty comfortable even at 6 hrs on the water. The waters a little colder up here. Just remember if you gotta tinkle you either gotta land and half undress or go and sit in it :smt044
I have honestly not had to peepee in my big boy suit...yet.. but have checked the car door jam for a leak a few times right after landing... in a hurry.  :smt002

I just pull my farmer johns down to my waist, lay flat on my back, whip it out and let the Belagio fountain fly over the side.

Easy peasey warm lemon juice squeezey  :smt005
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: crash on January 21, 2017, 02:42:51 PM
You can sew in a relief zipper.
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Dale L on January 21, 2017, 03:31:13 PM
You can sew in a relief zipper.

It's a must have, or at least it makes things so much more easy and comfortable on a long day,

I've done 2 myself and then paid $75 for a professional job on a 3rd suit, I liked mine better but there you have it.
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: robohalll on January 21, 2017, 04:27:13 PM
Thanks for all the advice, especially the detailed instructions on how to perform the Bellagio del martillo . I didn't know that  you could sew in a zipper,  but for me it would be kind of awkward have a zipper on my knee
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: hdpwipmonkey on January 21, 2017, 09:11:29 PM
Up here in Oregon I wear an Excel revolt 4mm surfers wetsuit and as a stocky futher mucker at 5'10 and 235 I'm plenty comfortable even at 6 hrs on the water. The waters a little colder up here. Just remember if you gotta tinkle you either gotta land and half undress or go and sit in it :smt044
I have honestly not had to peepee in my big boy suit...yet.. but have checked the car door jam for a leak a few times right after landing... in a hurry.  :smt002

I just pull my farmer johns down to my waist, lay flat on my back, whip it out and let the Belagio fountain fly over the side.

Easy peasey warm lemon juice squeezey  :smt005
😂😂😂
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: ALPINEX on January 21, 2017, 09:31:11 PM
I just grabbed an NRS 2.0 farmer john on Amazon for $70. It's a lot thinner than most wear I think, but it's very flexible and comfortable. I believe it's sufficient for fishing wear I fish.

When I launched at bodega last week it was 34 degrees, I had the wetsuit, NRS booties, NRS pants and jacket with a thermal top on under the jacket. Eventually got hot and had to lose the paddling pants and thermal, definitely nice to have the wetsuit, and it'll be perfect for summer I think, should keep me warm enough should I have an off yak excursion as well.
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: yakyakyak on January 21, 2017, 09:45:20 PM
I just grabbed an NRS 2.0 farmer john on Amazon for $70. It's a lot thinner than most wear I think, but it's very flexible and comfortable. I believe it's sufficient for fishing wear I fish.

When I launched at bodega last week it was 34 degrees, I had the wetsuit, NRS booties, NRS pants and jacket with a thermal top on under the jacket. Eventually got hot and had to lose the paddling pants and thermal, definitely nice to have the wetsuit, and it'll be perfect for summer I think, should keep me warm enough should I have an off yak excursion as well.


$55 + 10% off if you sign up (http://www.outdoorplay.com/NRS-2-Farmer-John-Neoprene-Kayak-Wetsuit).

I have this, front zipper, easy access.  I wear a waterproof jacket on the outside as well as waterproof pants.  Good for winter, easy for warmer weather.  I burnt out if it's too hot.

Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: AlsHobieOutback on January 22, 2017, 11:06:46 AM
My favorites the NRS FJ as well, since it has a relief zipper. 
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: robohalll on January 24, 2017, 07:46:32 AM
I just grabbed an NRS 2.0 farmer john on Amazon for $70. It's a lot thinner than most wear I think, but it's very flexible and comfortable. I believe it's sufficient for fishing wear I fish.

When I launched at bodega last week it was 34 degrees, I had the wetsuit, NRS booties, NRS pants and jacket with a thermal top on under the jacket. Eventually got hot and had to lose the paddling pants and thermal, definitely nice to have the wetsuit, and it'll be perfect for summer I think, should keep me warm enough should I have an off yak excursion as well.



interesting i would have thought that it would be too cold for just the 2.0  ,  where do you usually fish?   i think untill i get comfortable ill stick to napa river and slowly work my way to the ocean.

is that size chart on the outdoor play site pretty accurate?
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: NowhereMan on January 24, 2017, 07:09:47 PM
You'll get use to the wetsuit. If you never wear a dry suit you'll never know what you're missing. It's more of a luxury item than a nessecity.

True, but once you try a drysuit, you'll wonder why you ever used a wetsuit.
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: ALPINEX on January 24, 2017, 07:35:54 PM
I fish the delta a lot, but also fish the ocean. I wore it the other day to fish berryessa even just to get more comfortable in it. It's a farmer john and only 2mm thick, so not quite the protection the thicker ones offer, but for me it's been fine, and paired with the booties and gloves I don't anticipate a problem with short periods of immersion should they happen.

There's also a 3mm version of the same suit, you can also check out the reviews on amazon and other sites.

 
I just grabbed an NRS 2.0 farmer john on Amazon for $70. It's a lot thinner than most wear I think, but it's very flexible and comfortable. I believe it's sufficient for fishing wear I fish.

When I launched at bodega last week it was 34 degrees, I had the wetsuit, NRS booties, NRS pants and jacket with a thermal top on under the jacket. Eventually got hot and had to lose the paddling pants and thermal, definitely nice to have the wetsuit, and it'll be perfect for summer I think, should keep me warm enough should I have an off yak excursion as well.



interesting i would have thought that it would be too cold for just the 2.0  ,  where do you usually fish?   i think untill i get comfortable ill stick to napa river and slowly work my way to the ocean.

is that size chart on the outdoor play site pretty accurate?
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Dalong Boat on January 24, 2017, 09:42:52 PM
I should of looked here before I bought these waders. Its clunky but I stay dry and warm.

https://www.amazon.com/Hodgman-Mackenzie-Cleated-Nylon-Boot-foot/dp/B00PCAHIFS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485322905&sr=8-1&keywords=hodgman+mackenzie+waders


I didnt even think of getting a wet suit because I didnt want to get wet at all...
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Mojo Jojo on January 24, 2017, 09:59:54 PM
I should of looked here before I bought these waders. Its clunky but I stay dry and warm.

https://www.amazon.com/Hodgman-Mackenzie-Cleated-Nylon-Boot-foot/dp/B00PCAHIFS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485322905&sr=8-1&keywords=hodgman+mackenzie+waders


I didnt even think of getting a wet suit because I didnt want to get wet at all...
You don't get that wet in a wetsuit even when you swim or go through the spin cycle, at least I don't more sweaty then anything but a wetsuit cools pretty quick in the summer when wetted down. Just a personal opinion and we know what those are like cuz everyone has one, but I started in neoprene hodgemans cuz I was previously in a float tube and went wetsuit cuz I like the extra buoyancy and sweeted to death in a dry top.... but I personally wouldn't wear loose waders even with a belt it would be a snafu if they got water in them trying to pull yourself out of the water. It has been video taped done in a pool but I'm not going to try it. Just don't get cheap my wetsuit was at the top end for prices. 
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: LoletaEric on January 24, 2017, 10:15:17 PM
This is a very important topic, as "dress for immersion" is known to be a steadfast rule for responsible kayakers.

I see talk in this thread about not wanting to or intending to get wet - that is a dangerous place.

None of us want to or intend to get wet, but we all know that if shit really gets bad out there - weather, gear failure, body failure, wild animal... - if it gets serious and we are in the water then we need to have dressed for immersion, or we have a good chance of dying.

Dressing for immersion means being in the water for more than a dunking or wash cycle.  I feel that the only responsible way to assess how to properly dress for immersion is to look at it like I've described here - what will save your ass when you do end up in the water for 5, 10, 15, 30 minutes or even more? 

Drysuits are great, but they don't offer enough insulating properties to keep you warm when you're in the ocean at 50 degrees or so. 

Wetsuits do offer the protection, but it's not that comfy sitting in a wet wetsuit all day.

I wear a wetsuit under my drysuit much of the time.  Since the wetsuit doesn't get wet it's nice and silky and dry against my skin.  The drysuit blocks the elements as well as the fish slime and bait!

What we don't want to do in this sport is get complacent regarding what we wear and what we are really prepared for.

End of soapbox.  :smt001
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Mojo Jojo on January 24, 2017, 10:52:26 PM
This is a very important topic, as "dress for immersion" is known to be a steadfast rule for responsible kayakers.

I see talk in this thread about not wanting to or intending to get wet - that is a dangerous place.

None of us want to or intend to get wet, but we all know that if shit really gets bad out there - weather, gear failure, body failure, wild animal... - if it gets serious and we are in the water then we need to have dressed for immersion, or we have a good chance of dying.

Dressing for immersion means being in the water for more than a dunking or wash cycle.  I feel that the only responsible way to assess how to properly dress for immersion is to look at it like I've described here - what will save your ass when you do end up in the water for 5, 10, 15, 30 minutes or even more? 

Drysuits are great, but they don't offer enough insulating properties to keep you warm when you're in the ocean at 50 degrees or so. 

Wetsuits do offer the protection, but it's not that comfy sitting in a wet wetsuit all day.

I wear a wetsuit under my drysuit much of the time.  Since the wetsuit doesn't get wet it's nice and silky and dry against my skin.  The drysuit blocks the elements as well as the fish slime and bait!

What we don't want to do in this sport is get complacent regarding what we wear and what we are really prepared for.

End of soapbox.  :smt001
Nice rant Eric and I mean that as a compliment 1000%
For those that skip the longer reads here ya go
"What's your life worth" dress for a long time in cold water!
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: robohalll on January 25, 2017, 07:45:32 AM
This is a very important topic, as "dress for immersion" is known to be a steadfast rule for responsible kayakers.

I see talk in this thread about not wanting to or intending to get wet - that is a dangerous place.

None of us want to or intend to get wet, but we all know that if shit really gets bad out there - weather, gear failure, body failure, wild animal... - if it gets serious and we are in the water then we need to have dressed for immersion, or we have a good chance of dying.

Dressing for immersion means being in the water for more than a dunking or wash cycle.  I feel that the only responsible way to assess how to properly dress for immersion is to look at it like I've described here - what will save your ass when you do end up in the water for 5, 10, 15, 30 minutes or even more? 

Drysuits are great, but they don't offer enough insulating properties to keep you warm when you're in the ocean at 50 degrees or so. 

Wetsuits do offer the protection, but it's not that comfy sitting in a wet wetsuit all day.

I wear a wetsuit under my drysuit much of the time.  Since the wetsuit doesn't get wet it's nice and silky and dry against my skin.  The drysuit blocks the elements as well as the fish slime and bait!

What we don't want to do in this sport is get complacent regarding what we wear and what we are really prepared for.

End of soapbox.  :smt001

Execellent  post. From reading the old safety threads ,  "dress for immersion" is one of the things that stuck in my head. 
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Cabeza de Martillo on January 25, 2017, 07:56:25 AM
So to me a 2 mm isn't adequate for the ocean period.

It may be fine if you are in your yak with a little bit of water splashed on you but not for long periods of immersion.
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: LilRiverMan on January 25, 2017, 08:14:58 AM
So to me a 2 mm isn't adequate for the ocean period.

It may be fine if you are in your yak with a little bit of water splashed on you but not for long periods of immersion.

I agree go with that. Get at least a 3mm FJ (provided you are not diving for Abs etc, then you need heavier gear). You can also buy a separate jacket top which makes changing in and out easier than a one piece. This will also add extra insolation and if it's too hot you can partly unzip the top. I recommend 5mm booties with thick soles for walking rocky beaches. 3mm booties are a little chilly when you are dripping your feet
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: FishingAddict on January 26, 2017, 08:58:37 AM
I should of looked here before I bought these waders. Its clunky but I stay dry and warm.

https://www.amazon.com/Hodgman-Mackenzie-Cleated-Nylon-Boot-foot/dp/B00PCAHIFS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485322905&sr=8-1&keywords=hodgman+mackenzie+waders


I didnt even think of getting a wet suit because I didnt want to get wet at all...

Those waders will get you in trouble.  Here's a true story from last year. 

2 kayakers fishing in the ocean decided to head in because conditions were getting nasty.
1 kayaker wearing waders gets hit by a wave goes overboard and his yak turns over.
His waders gets filled with water, he uprights his kayak, tries to get back but fails because to extra weight of water inside his waders and exposure to cold water.
Tries 2nd time but is now exhausted and out of strength and fails 2nd self rescue attempt.
His buddy could not help and calls the USCG, Mayday.
USCG sends Helo and DFW sends a patrol boat. DFW boat deploys inflatable to rescue kayaker.
DFW inflatable helps kayaker and tows him back to launch place.
Paramedics and Fire Dept. were waiting at the beach to check rescued kayaker.  He is in good shape.

 
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Dalong Boat on January 26, 2017, 09:57:58 AM
I should of looked here before I bought these waders. Its clunky but I stay dry and warm.

https://www.amazon.com/Hodgman-Mackenzie-Cleated-Nylon-Boot-foot/dp/B00PCAHIFS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485322905&sr=8-1&keywords=hodgman+mackenzie+waders


I didnt even think of getting a wet suit because I didnt want to get wet at all...

Those waders will get you in trouble.  Here's a true story from last year. 

2 kayakers fishing in the ocean decided to head in because conditions were getting nasty.
1 kayaker wearing waders gets hit by a wave goes overboard and his yak turns over.
His waders gets filled with water, he uprights his kayak, tries to get back but fails because to extra weight of water inside his waders and exposure to cold water.
Tries 2nd time but is now exhausted and out of strength and fails 2nd self rescue attempt.
His buddy could not help and calls the USCG, Mayday.
USCG sends Helo and DFW sends a patrol boat. DFW boat deploys inflatable to rescue kayaker.
DFW inflatable helps kayaker and tows him back to launch place.
Paramedics and Fire Dept. were waiting at the beach to check rescued kayaker.  He is in good shape.


Thanks. I thought about that scenario the other day. My plan is to ditch the waders while in the water. Probably easier said than done, I must admit.
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Dalong Boat on January 26, 2017, 10:00:47 AM
My roommate left behind an old wetsuit so I will be using that. Safety First  :smt001
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Mojo Jojo on January 26, 2017, 06:51:26 PM
My roommate left behind an old wetsuit so I will be using that. Safety First  :smt001
Unless he's an NCKA member, and it was an accident.  :smt044

I use one up here in slightly colder water but let me say this NOT in the winter haven't been out in a few months but we're hitting the bay this weekend in force for crabs and hopefully the seabass will bite.
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: LoletaEric on January 26, 2017, 08:28:09 PM
Quote from: Dalong Boat
Quote from: FishingAddict
Those waders will get you in trouble.
My plan is to ditch the waders while in the water.

Sorry, DB, but I'm not reading you here.  Are you saying you'll take the waders off once you're in the water if it comes to that?
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Tinker on January 26, 2017, 08:54:49 PM
Dressing for immersion means being in the water for more than a dunking or wash cycle.  I feel that the only responsible way to assess how to properly dress for immersion is to look at it like I've described here - what will save your ass when you do end up in the water for 5, 10, 15, 30 minutes or even more? 

Drysuits are great, but they don't offer enough insulating properties to keep you warm when you're in the ocean at 50 degrees or so. 

Wetsuits do offer the protection, but it's not that comfy sitting in a wet wetsuit all day.

I wear a wetsuit under my drysuit much of the time.  Since the wetsuit doesn't get wet it's nice and silky and dry against my skin.  The drysuit blocks the elements as well as the fish slime and bait!

You don't simply wear a drysuit, you cover your insulating layers with the drysuit.  Polypropylene (never cotton) base layers are more than adequate insulation for cold water, and you can vary the weight (= insulating capacity) of the base layers, or add extra layers, to match the water temperature.

When it's really cold, I've added NRS 0.5mm Hydroskins on top of polypropylene layers.  Surely, neoprene will keep you warm, but even the Hydroskins resist your range of motion, and that's what most folks find uncomfortable about wetsuits.

Thanks. I thought about that scenario the other day. My plan is to ditch the waders while in the water. Probably easier said than done, I must admit.

Absolutely, unquestionably, easier said than done.  Try this: put on the waders, put on the PFD, jump in a swimming pool and try to get out of the waders.  You have to loosen, maybe remove, the PFD to get the suspenders off, and now you're in trouble...
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Mojo Jojo on January 26, 2017, 09:34:47 PM
Quote from: Dalong Boat
Quote from: FishingAddict
Those waders will get you in trouble.
My plan is to ditch the waders while in the water.

Sorry, DB, but I'm not reading you here.  Are you saying you'll take the waders off once you're in the water if it comes to that?
Might as well cut the feet off and wear dive boots if you'd ditch the waders at least the water has an exit as you try to yard yourself out of the water
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: LoletaEric on January 26, 2017, 10:29:59 PM
Quote from: Tinker
You don't simply wear a drysuit, you cover your insulating layers with the drysuit.

So when you're in the water for 5, 10, 15 or 30 minutes or more you're confident that no water gets in your drysuit?  Congratulations - your drysuit is in better shape than my 3.

...and I don't agree that poly layers under a drysuit are enough for cold water.
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Cabeza de Martillo on January 26, 2017, 10:43:45 PM
I should of looked here before I bought these waders. Its clunky but I stay dry and warm.

https://www.amazon.com/Hodgman-Mackenzie-Cleated-Nylon-Boot-foot/dp/B00PCAHIFS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485322905&sr=8-1&keywords=hodgman+mackenzie+waders


I didnt even think of getting a wet suit because I didnt want to get wet at all...

Those waders will get you in trouble.  Here's a true story from last year. 

2 kayakers fishing in the ocean decided to head in because conditions were getting nasty.
1 kayaker wearing waders gets hit by a wave goes overboard and his yak turns over.
His waders gets filled with water, he uprights his kayak, tries to get back but fails because to extra weight of water inside his waders and exposure to cold water.
Tries 2nd time but is now exhausted and out of strength and fails 2nd self rescue attempt.
His buddy could not help and calls the USCG, Mayday.
USCG sends Helo and DFW sends a patrol boat. DFW boat deploys inflatable to rescue kayaker.
DFW inflatable helps kayaker and tows him back to launch place.
Paramedics and Fire Dept. were waiting at the beach to check rescued kayaker.  He is in good shape.


Thanks. I thought about that scenario the other day. My plan is to ditch the waders while in the water. Probably easier said than done, I must admit.

Dude! No waders! Don't be that guy  :smt009

Also, in doing this you can possibly put someone else's life in jeopardy while they are trying to save yours.

Safety first


Edit: I see where you say you'll be using a wetsuit instead. Good for you  :smt001

But instead of deleting my original post. I'm leaving it up for anyone else that may have the same idea.
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Fishcomb on January 27, 2017, 12:17:39 AM
I should of looked here before I bought these waders. Its clunky but I stay dry and warm.

https://www.amazon.com/Hodgman-Mackenzie-Cleated-Nylon-Boot-foot/dp/B00PCAHIFS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1485322905&sr=8-1&keywords=hodgman+mackenzie+waders


I didnt even think of getting a wet suit because I didnt want to get wet at all...

Those waders will get you in trouble.  Here's a true story from last year. 

2 kayakers fishing in the ocean decided to head in because conditions were getting nasty.
1 kayaker wearing waders gets hit by a wave goes overboard and his yak turns over.
His waders gets filled with water, he uprights his kayak, tries to get back but fails because to extra weight of water inside his waders and exposure to cold water.
Tries 2nd time but is now exhausted and out of strength and fails 2nd self rescue attempt.
His buddy could not help and calls the USCG, Mayday.
USCG sends Helo and DFW sends a patrol boat. DFW boat deploys inflatable to rescue kayaker.
DFW inflatable helps kayaker and tows him back to launch place.
Paramedics and Fire Dept. were waiting at the beach to check rescued kayaker.  He is in good shape.


Thanks. I thought about that scenario the other day. My plan is to ditch the waders while in the water. Probably easier said than done, I must admit.
How did I miss this? Best post of 2017!
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Dalong Boat on January 27, 2017, 06:58:23 PM

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Dude! No waders! Don't be that guy  :smt009

Also, in doing this you can possibly put someone else's life in jeopardy while they are trying to save yours.

Safety first


Edit: I see where you say you'll be using a wetsuit instead. Good for you  :smt001

But instead of deleting my original post. I'm leaving it up for anyone else that may have the same idea.
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Dude! No waders! Don't be that guy  :smt009

Also, in doing this you can possibly put someone else's life in jeopardy while they are trying to save yours.

Safety first


Edit: I see where you say you'll be using a wetsuit instead. Good for you  :smt001

But instead of deleting my original post. I'm leaving it up for anyone else that may have the same idea.
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hahah yea wetsuit fits so Im good to go.
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: B0B on January 27, 2017, 07:07:21 PM
+1 on the wetsuit.  it sucks ass when it rains though.  a wet wetsuit out of water sucks. 

i do know some who use waders,   apparently when taking a dip, it compresses  pushing all the air up, and doesnt really let water in because the top of it may be above water.  i dont advocate for the use of waders, but thats what  i was told.

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Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: MontanaN8V on January 27, 2017, 10:09:20 PM
I use waders duck hunting. More comfortable in the water than a wetsuit and booties when putting out decoys and standing in water for hours. I do cross deep water. I know the risk, and I am ok in those specific conditions. Out fishing I wear a farmer john, and always a pfd.
I have dumped in waders, it sucks. You don't want to be that guy...
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: Tinker on January 28, 2017, 02:26:13 AM
Quote from: Tinker
You don't simply wear a drysuit, you cover your insulating layers with the drysuit.

So when you're in the water for 5, 10, 15 or 30 minutes or more you're confident that no water gets in your drysuit?  Congratulations - your drysuit is in better shape than my 3.

...and I don't agree that poly layers under a drysuit are enough for cold water.

Send yours into Kokatat to get it inspected.  Dry suits are supposed to be DRY suits   :smt003

I was once a Coast Guard swimmer, wearing a dry suit over polypropylene base layers, and that makes me absolutely confident that my base layers under my properly fitted dry suit will keep me warm for a lot longer than 30 minutes in 40° water.  Just sayin' and DAMHIK.

No offense was intended.  Different strokes and all that.
Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: AlexB on January 31, 2017, 03:17:35 PM
If you can afford a dry suit, get one. Otherwise, a wetsuit will do just fine. (Preferably with a relief zipper).

I started with a wetsuit and moved to a drysuit so I could stay warm, dry, chaff-free, and comfortable during LONG days of salmon trolling.


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Title: Re: clothing and pfd's
Post by: pmmpete on January 31, 2017, 06:26:06 PM
So when you're in the water for 5, 10, 15 or 30 minutes or more you're confident that no water gets in your drysuit?  Congratulations - your drysuit is in better shape than my 3.

...and I don't agree that poly layers under a drysuit are enough for cold water.
I snorkel and spearfish for pike in Montana while wearing a drysuit with a dry glove system and a neoprene hood.  I start in the spring when the water is in the high forties, spearfish through the warm water in the summer, and continue as the water gets cold into October.  I typically spend about 6 hours in the water in a day of spearfishing.  I layer up enough clothing under my drysuit to stay warm even after many hours in the water.  At the end of the day, I can drive home in the clothing I was wearing under my drysuit.  So I can say that a drysuit will keep you dry for many hours in the water, and if you wear enough clothing under it, it will keep you warm for many hours in the water.

I used to spearfish in the mango Kokatat Goretex drysuit which I also use for whitewater kayaking and kayak angling.  I'd wear a 3-D camo suit over it so the bright color wouldn't scare off pike.  Now I spearfish in a black OS Systems stream count drysuit.  They both work very well.

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Drysuits used for kayak fishing can get leaks from the spines and teeth of fish, particularly if you let fish give you lap dances.  The leaks can be hard to find.  If your dry suit leaks, send it back to the manufacturer for repair.  It will be money well spent, and a lot less expensive than buying a new drysuit.  Then, stop doing lap dances with fish.