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General => Fish Talk => Topic started by: Hojoman on September 21, 2017, 02:28:11 PM

Title: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: Hojoman on September 21, 2017, 02:28:11 PM
https://cdfgnews.wordpress.com/2017/09/21/10335/
Title: Re: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: LoletaEric on September 21, 2017, 02:36:41 PM
It's come to this - we are now subject to reading about multiple occurrence offenders who obviously have not been given a strong enough punishment in the first or second place...

Along with the increased restriction for legal sport harvest, the powers that be should have been making the penalties for abuse of the resource MUCH more extreme - ESPECIALLY for multiple occurrence offenders!

:smt009
Title: Re: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: Spring45 on September 21, 2017, 03:34:36 PM
We fish for the sport, excitement and of course, for the love of just fishing.
These people dont respect or care about any that. I dont care what they do with them. Stone them!
Title: Re: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: crash on September 21, 2017, 03:41:12 PM
Realistically, what would be appropriate punishment?

Public stoning seems a tad excessive.
Title: Re: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: charles on September 21, 2017, 03:47:27 PM
Perhaps 30 days of free diving for abs off the Farralones
Title: Re: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: oldfart on September 21, 2017, 03:48:38 PM
Realistically, what would be appropriate punishment?

Public stoning seems a tad excessive.
I don't know if it's excessive or not.  Probably not a legal punishment in this country though.  If people repeat crimes when given the normal punishment then it obviously isn't having the desired effect.
Title: Re: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: Malibu_Two on September 21, 2017, 03:50:48 PM
I think for minor infractions such as forgetting to fill out a card, whatever they do now is fine (something like $1500 plus license revocation), but for commercial poaching operations, how about $10,000 per abalone or something in that ballpark? Ruin them financially. Confiscate all their gear, and any boats, cars, or buildings used in the transport or storage of the abalone.

Why our legal system can't slap poachers with debilitating fines and punishments is a mystery to me.
Title: Re: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: Spring45 on September 21, 2017, 04:12:48 PM
Obviously, whatever the current punishment is doesn't phase them. They have been caught multiple times..thats just caught! How many times have they not been caught? Is the black marker really worth the risk vs reward. With the current system in place, apparently it is...
Title: Re: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: HamachiJohn on September 21, 2017, 05:05:22 PM

Why our legal system can't slap poachers with debilitating fines and punishments is a mystery to me.

THIS !!

If you sell drugs, they can impound your car and take your home if you sold drugs from the premises... so why not the same here ??
Title: Re: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: Tote on September 21, 2017, 06:59:22 PM
November, December, January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September..I dragged it out to make a point.
WHY SO FREAKING LONG????
If you harvest for sale MINIMUM fine per person should be $25K and forfeiture of ALL gear plus mandatory 2 yrs in prison.
Second time around, 10 yrs mandatory sentence plus fines.
There is zero deterrent when the profit margins can be so high.
I'm sure they only harvested during legal hours and legal season and all were of legal size too....NOT!!!!!!!
Zero respect for the resource, for all of those who fish legally, and just plain society in general.
EFF THEM!!!!!!!
Lock them up and throw away the key. Have to start sending a message somewhere....start now!

Title: Re: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: Scurvy on September 21, 2017, 08:38:06 PM
November, December, January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September..I dragged it out to make a point.
WHY SO FREAKING LONG????
If you harvest for sale MINIMUM fine per person should be $25K and forfeiture of ALL gear plus mandatory 2 yrs in prison.
Second time around, 10 yrs mandatory sentence plus fines.
There is zero deterrent when the profit margins can be so high.
I'm sure they only harvested during legal hours and legal season and all were of legal size too....NOT!!!!!!!
Zero respect for the resource, for all of those who fish legally, and just plain society in general.
EFF THEM!!!!!!!
Lock them up and throw away the key. Have to start sending a message somewhere....start now!

Bingo!  Sounds about right to me.  I thought that this was the penalty already anyway.
Title: Re: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: Scurvy on September 21, 2017, 08:44:24 PM
Obviously, CDFG will be tightening the screws in order to catch the "big fish" who do the buying of the poached wildlife.
Title: Re: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: Lost_Anchovy on September 21, 2017, 09:39:52 PM
Before checking out the name I guess it would have been a Vietnamese or Chinese person that was caught poaching.
Man that sucks that I am Right. So embarrassing for my people. Gesus man...
Title: Re: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: HamachiJohn on September 21, 2017, 11:22:46 PM
Before checking out the name I guess it would have been a Vietnamese or Chinese person that was caught poaching.
Man that sucks that I am Right. So embarrassing for my people. Gesus man...

Yes, but I've also come across articles in which the perpetrators had Slavic last names... but yeah, it's mostly us asians  :smt013
But for every bad apple, I guess there are good examples... like ______________ (fill in your favorite asian diver).
Title: Re: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: Mienboy on September 22, 2017, 06:31:55 AM
It's not a fair system by any chance,I've seen guys get 1500$ fines cause they filled out the detachable portion of the punch card but forgot to fill in the top,I've also seen guys get the same fine for not having a fishing license .in my book the individual who was harvesting without a license should've gotten a way steeper fine.

It almost seems to me as long as the courts are getting some kind of money coming in they didn't care.i can almost guarantee that these individuals will get like a 5k fine and maybe 30 days which will go to a work defers program
Title: Re: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: BigJim on September 22, 2017, 10:31:19 AM
Before checking out the name I guess it would have been a Vietnamese or Chinese person that was caught poaching.
Man that sucks that I am Right. So embarrassing for my people. Gesus man...

Yes, but I've also come across articles in which the perpetrators had Slavic last names... but yeah, it's mostly us asians  :smt013
But for every bad apple, I guess there are good examples... like ______________ (fill in your favorite asian diver).

All kinds of people do all kinds of horrible stuff...all the time...

Like John said, there are assholes in every group/town/country/ethnicity/religion/culture etc...

Nothing but love for my Asian brothers.  :smt008

 :smt006

Sincerely,

Jim
Title: Re: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: bdon on September 22, 2017, 12:29:56 PM
I want to know who's buying these abalone?

There is no way they don't know they are illegal.
Title: Re: CDFW Arrests Four Suspects for Commercial Sale of Sport Harvest Abalone
Post by: & on September 22, 2017, 03:30:34 PM
There is no way they don't know they are illegal.

possible they don't know.  probable they don't care!