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Title: are west coast stripers hybrids??
Post by: prokhk on December 06, 2017, 09:30:50 PM
I have seen many videos on youtube where anglers catch stripers with broken lines and say that they are "wipers" aka white bass striper hybrids. These videos are usually from east coast lakes and rivers. All of the stripers I have seen here on the west coast have these broken bars. Does anyone know if it is true that broken bars mean that they are hybrids? and if so does that mean we have hybrid bass here on the west coast?

Thanks!!
Title: Re: are west coast stripers hybrids??
Post by: bmb on December 06, 2017, 10:34:51 PM
no, they're not wipers.  stripers with broken lines mean that the fish....has broken lines.
Title: Re: are west coast stripers hybrids??
Post by: Tinker on December 07, 2017, 06:15:20 AM
"Hybrids" are a cross between white bass and striped bass,  They're freshwater fish and can no longer survive in saltwater.

So: what bmb said.
Title: Re: are west coast stripers hybrids??
Post by: Sin Coast on December 07, 2017, 10:09:58 AM
There is only 1 place in CA that has white bass, Nacimiento Lake in southern Monterey Co. So it's extremely unlikely that you'll ever see a wiper in this state.
Title: Re: are west coast stripers hybrids??
Post by: NowhereMan on December 07, 2017, 11:18:58 AM
So it's extremely unlikely that you'll ever see a wiper in this state.

Unless the DFW decides to start stocking them. I wonder if they've ever considered it---I know that they are very popular in the midwest.
Title: Re: are west coast stripers hybrids??
Post by: Sin Coast on December 07, 2017, 01:40:47 PM
They'd poison & drain Naci before they would consider introducing them elsewhere. They are prolific breeders and would totally change the ecosystem. That's why the dfw regs are so specific about ripping the gills and immediately killing any white bass you intend to keep at Naci.
But with that said, there have been a few white bass recorded in the Salinas River during fish surveys w/net seines...back in the day.
Title: Re: are west coast stripers hybrids??
Post by: NowhereMan on December 07, 2017, 03:10:36 PM
According to this article

https://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/3386.htm

wipers are "functionally sterile", and other sites describe them as being at least 99.9% sterile.
Title: Re: are west coast stripers hybrids??
Post by: prokhk on December 07, 2017, 06:57:02 PM
Thanks for the responses! Good to know that wipers are essentially sterile.
Title: Re: are west coast stripers hybrids??
Post by: MikeinFresno on December 09, 2017, 10:07:57 AM
with the stripers I read here at one time or another that the lines are broken either when they are closer to home waters or spawning, cant remember, but something like that.
Title: Re: are west coast stripers hybrids??
Post by: matanaska on December 09, 2017, 10:50:19 AM
They have them in Texas as well as redfish hybrids too.  Strong fighters
Title: Re: are west coast stripers hybrids??
Post by: Eastbay-Joe on December 10, 2017, 02:29:58 AM
I would say the broken lines for West Coast stripers are a genetic thing. After all, initial stripers on West Coast came from just a few hundred fish planted back in the 1880s.....
 
Title: Re: are west coast stripers hybrids??
Post by: NowhereMan on December 10, 2017, 08:53:54 AM
This article (based on a study of east coast stripers)

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1577/1548-8675%281996%29016%3C0014%3ASBOHRS%3E2.3.CO%3B2?journalCode=ujfm20

states that, "Hatchery-reared striped bass also displayed a pronounced increase in the incidence of broken stripedness, which may be related to the artificial environments in which they had been raised." So, perhaps environmental (rather than genetic) factors are the cause.
Title: Re: are west coast stripers hybrids??
Post by: gentlemanscholar on December 18, 2017, 10:43:23 PM
Not Hybrids - but rather inbred. Some say the broken pattern in the lines is due to less healthy population ie polluted. Who knows if this is true though.