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Title: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Lost_Anchovy on September 05, 2012, 07:27:11 AM
I know this topic has been been beaten to death over the years but i needed to get this off my chest. As a kayak fisherman I try to be an good ambassador to our sport which means I respect others on the water, however, I think someone should teach that to PB.

Fished a lot during the week during the WSB run. From my observations I rarely saw any kayakers disrespect the boaters however numerous times i saw boaters run right through our fleet and cussed us out????  :smt013  :smt013 :smt013

Alshobie got into it with one of the boaters. At least 3 times boaters yelled at me that there was a GWS hanging around (Think Scare tatic). One asshole also yelled out "HEY I heard GWS love Kayaks!!" ????? WTF?... However, I notice they shut up pretty quick once i turned on my Go Pro. I guess a  little respect goes a long way, to bad we aren't getting any!!!
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Great Bass 2 on September 05, 2012, 07:37:25 AM
Keith -

Most of the PB guys are cool but when you get that many boats out there, there are always going to be a few jerks. I personally have never had any issues but have heard some trash on the VHF. It is not just with kayaks either, I have heard them go after each other. I keep my distance, Treat them with respect and make sure they all get a good look at my fish before I head in.  :smt007

Scott
Title: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: wlshafor on September 05, 2012, 07:43:59 AM
They are rude on lakes, rivers and any where els that they can float! When I take the canoe out i feel like they are trying to make user tip over!

That's why i take pictures and I have even reported a few while being at a lake.

Just hang in there not all boaters are assholes!


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Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Meat Hunter on September 05, 2012, 12:03:43 PM
Totally hear you on that one and WSB seem to make those the pbers go nuts. In Monterey I have witnessed near fish fight senarios between the pb guys because they all race to the boat that hooks up and that guy gets pissed. I've had several drop in me and fish 20 yds away like I wasn't even there. Seems to be why I don't fish WSB unless I am with company.

As a side note I have fished around the hook and line commercial guys quite a bit and they are different for sure. Maybe it's the fact they they are OTW the most or that they nail fish like no other. I actually enjoy fishing around the live RF guys when I'm solo and have had many good conversations with em.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Str8FishiN on September 05, 2012, 12:26:50 PM
The reason I got a kayak instead of a PB was so I could be by myself when I wanted to, for some R&R and not have to worry about someone else.  I like to nap on the water and there have been a couple of times when I get woken up because a PB pulls up next to me (within normal talking distance), drops lines, and starts fishing - most of time I'm not even catching fish.   :smt044 If you're going to fish that close to someone, at least make sure they're catching fish.     :smt044 :smt044 :smt044

On Saturday, I only had 3 hours of sleep and was "trooching" all morning for nada.  Around 10am I thought I'd take a nap.  I drop my line, take a nap, and after a couple of minutes I can hear a boat coming close, they shut off their motor, and then they start their drift.  They were so close to me but instead of saying something to them, i get up and start to peddle away from them.  As I'm peddling away, I get bit and the fight is on.  I hear one of the guys on the pb say "f this, i can't catch fish so i'm just going to sit here and watch this kayaker fight this fish".  The two guys are literally sitting on their bow eating popcorn, watching me try to land this fish.  At this time, i'm getting dragged closer and closer to the pb.  It gets so close, I had to put my hand on the pb to push off.  The guys finally get the hint and back off a bit to give me some space.  I was so pissed that instead of dropping my line for another try for another bite, I took my fish, bit my tongue, and went away.   :smt013 :smt013 :smt013

I try my best to be respectful and keep my distance from pbers.  But damn, some of those PBers drive me nutz! 
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: polepole on September 05, 2012, 01:02:23 PM
Food for thought ...

The quiet word around the harbor is that a lot of kayakers are NOT respecting the rules of the road when it comes to WSB.  When you reach the end of your drift, do not traverse through the fleet to set up for the next one.  Go around them.

And if you get a few fish, do NOT broadcast your numbers for all to hear.  You may not mind a few friends coming over, but that PBer next to you may.  Not saying you shouldn't call your friends in, but at least call them on the cell phone instead of broadcasting it.

-Allen
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Fish Master1 on September 05, 2012, 01:07:52 PM
It was me! :smt003
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: FishingAddict on September 05, 2012, 01:17:52 PM
Lets not stereotype or generalize PBers.  One of them saved my ass when I had an encounter with Mr. GWS.
The boat driver and passengers came to my rescue immediately and towed my damaged Revo w/c was half full of water back to Capitola Wharf.

Then there's the idiots who don't slow down that can capsize us.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: StephKillsit on September 05, 2012, 01:29:23 PM
I agree there are decent PBers out there who are courteous and pay attention and others that are jerks. When I was out Tuna fishing the radio had a few PBers talking smack to each other, for me it was entertainment (heard a guy say hey get your ski boat out of here, get out of my way your near my lines!)..just like driving a car on the freeway, some slower drivers then others you get your mix of crazies. One things for sure it's nice to have the extra company out on the water when I'm out kayaking alone.
Title: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: AnglingWes on September 05, 2012, 02:18:48 PM
I've only been kayaking for about a year, but have owned/ operated a boat my entire life.  Seeing the water as a yaker has totally altered how manage my boat, not only to be curteous to kayaks on the water, but also to other boaters.   There are definitely people on the water with little disrespect for everyone else, but I think that many PBs just don't recognize yaks as other "vessels" on the water. 

I have just become super defensive when approaching other boats on the water and assume that every one sucks, so keep my distance and try to stay alert.





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Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: FishingForTheCure on September 05, 2012, 02:26:12 PM
Some PB's operators are courteous, others aren't.  Had a great chance to talk to a few from my kayak during the PIF event in Monterey a couple months ago.  Maybe it was "all good" because there were soooo many of us out there.  The only "bad" one that day that several of us encountered was the dive charter boat that ran at speed right at the yellow can & turned through the fleet of kayaks and PB's alike to head off to the dive spot.  Not once backing down on his speed.  A licensed operator should know better given he/she had paying clients on-board that looked quite shocked they were powering through a fleet of other boats.  Quite disappointed in that particular Monterey based dive boat operator/operation for allowing that to happen.  As a power boat and sailboat operator myself (private, not for hire or commercial), I try to apply the "do unto others as ... " blah, blah, blah ... you get what I mean.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Str8FishiN on September 05, 2012, 02:29:41 PM
99.9% of the pbers I've encountered (within talking distance) have been pleasant.  I try to wave "Hi" to everyone that comes in close just to spread the positive vibe and to let them know I'm there/thank them for not running me over  :smt044.  There's always going to be dummies wherever you go...
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: FishingForTheCure on September 05, 2012, 02:35:43 PM
The ones I had conversations with that day while feeding the salmon were quite nice.  Some were inquiring regarding the overwhelming number of us out there that day.  The other thing we all need to be a little cautious of is the manner in which we use the VHF.  I don't believe that anything bad or offensive was said but it's always something to keep in mind because it all ties back to NCKA and the public perception of all kayak's in general.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: vin60 on September 05, 2012, 02:36:08 PM
i actually had a good experience last saturday. my line got snagged and a pber drifted over it. he was helpful in getting my line popped off and we ended up discussing how the fishing was. they were nailing the rockfish. nice bunch of guys. hopefully i dont meet someof those aholes but the way i look at it if we all act as kind as we can we should be able to get along easily. if someone has trash to say in one ear out the other. paddle away. remember they spent more money on their single trip out than we do in 10 trips. they may be grumpy because of that.. oh well.. thems the breaks. see you guys outh there on the water.

vin
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Eric B on September 05, 2012, 02:53:45 PM
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remember they spent more money on their single trip out than we do in 10 trips. they may be grumpy because of that..

You said a mouthful there.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Caliyak on September 05, 2012, 03:13:37 PM
This is a great thread but I have to add that lake boaters are different than ocean boaters. We have the weekend warrior and the bass fishermen.

The weekend boaters are the idiots with no respect, skiing, house boats with kids and drunk off their a$$. They are playing the music loud and peeing in the lake. I see a lot of high school and college students partying it up in the shallows. I saw a boater call on a tube guy to a fight on the water. Amazing!!!
 
The bass fishermen are cool but can get a little crazy because they want to catch fish and we are in their spot. They, at times, need to be reminded that kayakers pay the day fee just like them.

I guess they are everywhere.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: barefoot1 on September 05, 2012, 04:05:22 PM
I totally agree with the point Caliyak is making.  Other than one idiot at CL last spring I have not had bass boaters become problem.  BUT if I troll for salmon on the old sac on a weekend I do it real early before the weekend idiots get on the water.  I have gotten more respect from wake boarders than some of these morons with salmon fever.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: ex-kayaker on September 05, 2012, 04:24:29 PM
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remember they spent more money on their single trip out than we do in 10 trips. they may be grumpy because of that..

You said a mouthful there.


Nonsense, a trip out to the sc bouy is about a bucks worth of gas.  :smt004 

One last thing....if I'm in my boat and coming up on a kayaker, I'm keeping distance but not slowing down unless I want to talk to them.  Coming off plane creates a larger wake, that is more likely to swamp or knock someone off their yak.  This is especially true around harbor entrances where apparently its become cool to hang out. 
 
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: RacinRob on September 05, 2012, 04:41:31 PM
I hate it when a fast moving boat slows down before it gets to where I am. I would much rather have it stay on plane. Much smaller wake that way.

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remember they spent more money on their single trip out than we do in 10 trips. they may be grumpy because of that..

You said a mouthful there.


Nonsense, a trip out to the sc bouy is about a bucks worth of gas.  :smt004 

One last thing....if I'm in my boat and coming up on a kayaker, I'm keeping distance but not slowing down unless I want to talk to them.  Coming off plane creates a larger wake, that is more likely to swamp or knock someone off their yak.  This is especially true around harbor entrances where apparently its become cool to hang out. 
 
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Great Bass 2 on September 05, 2012, 05:22:38 PM
Food for thought ...

The quiet word around the harbor is that a lot of kayakers are NOT respecting the rules of the road when it comes to WSB.  When you reach the end of your drift, do not traverse through the fleet to set up for the next one.  Go around them.

-Allen

Allen -

That is a good point and we should be careful when re-setting the drift. I think with a bottom bite and the fact that we are pretty stealthy compared to a boat, I really don't think we caused anybody to not catch a fish but your point is well taken and I said it in my WSB article about fleet etiquette. Personally, I think some of them are mad because we are out fishing them, particularly the last 3-4 weeks and that is the truth. I have only fished one drift on each of my last 2 trips so it wasn't me who cut through the fleet.  :smt005 :smt005 :smt005

Scott
Title: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Jeffo on September 05, 2012, 05:41:39 PM
C'mon, haven't you guys ever seen a guy driving a piece of shit car with a super hot girl in the passenger seat? I'm sure that's how guys in PB's feel when they see a kayaker with something nice on the clip. "I spent all this money on a BMW and she's with the dude who's rollin a Geo."
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Mienboy on September 05, 2012, 05:44:40 PM
 :smt044
C'mon, haven't you guys ever seen a guy driving a piece of shit car with a super hot girl in the passenger seat? I'm sure that's how guys in PB's feel when they see a kayaker with something nice on the clip. "I spent all this money on a BMW and she's with the dude who's rollin a Geo."
:smt044
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Great Bass 2 on September 05, 2012, 06:06:59 PM
C'mon, haven't you guys ever seen a guy driving a piece of shit car with a super hot girl in the passenger seat? I'm sure that's how guys in PB's feel when they see a kayaker with something nice on the clip. "I spent all this money on a BMW and she's with the dude who's rollin a Geo."

Damn that is funny.  :smt044 :smt044 :smt044 Last 2 trips I was in by 7-9 AM followed by 2-3 PB's who were skunked and gave up. Each time one of them came over, looked at my fish, looked at my kayak and said... "Nice rig, so how much do they cost?"  :smt005 :smt005 :smt005 Yeah, the Geo's are looking pretty good these days.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: ravensblack on September 05, 2012, 06:33:50 PM
OMG thats some funny shit right there fellas. :smt006 :smt044 :smt044 Good one Jeff.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Sin Coast on September 05, 2012, 10:48:06 PM
I hate it when a fast moving boat slows down before it gets to where I am. I would much rather have it stay on plane. Much smaller wake that way.
+1 especially when its a skiboat w/weight in the back...

Too funny Jeff  :smt044
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: RacinRob on September 05, 2012, 10:51:14 PM
That's why I haul ass by kayaks when I'm in my wakeboard boat with full ballast tanks :smt003

It's a joke I tell ya son.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: SeaWeed on September 06, 2012, 12:39:30 AM

("Nonsense, a trip out to the sc bouy is about a bucks worth of gas".)

The Boat we have uses 40 gal of gas an hour. One reason I fish rock fish from a kayak.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Ski Pro 3 -- Jerry on September 06, 2012, 07:27:10 AM
I've not had any problems with pb's other than their normal wake and water churning on lakes.  Folsom for example will get all chopped up on weekends and that I don't take personally as a kayak owner. 

What I have experienced is a great curiosity in my kayak.  Recreational boaters will stop and ask me about it and want details.  Other fishermen act as if they are 'too cool' to ask questions, but sneak in for  a closer look.  I will usually say hi to them in order to break the ice and then they'll ask about the kayak.  If I'm on a drift, been working a pattern all morning, and someone comes over, I keep with my pattern and figure the PBer needs to adjust to my pace.  Most do, realizing I've probably been there long enough to figure out what's working that day.  Some won't and when that happens, I'll start up a conversation with them.  It gives them a chance to see I'm not an a-hole and also the chance to demonstrate they aren't either.  Keeping civil is pretty important when you are the 95 pound weakling on the beach and the muscleman is approaching.  It's the same with my motorcycle riding; you may be in the right, but you will also pay a bigger price if a push comes to a shove too.   
At this point in my fishing, it's about the experience, not the meat anyways.  I think kayakers are probably a more mature group as a whole compared to PB'ers.  We have worked past the stage of quantity and moved up to quality.  We look at the details as part of the whole experience instead of just the final result of fish taken.   We tend to be quite satisfied to fish where PB's are not satisfied until they catch. 
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: polepole on September 06, 2012, 08:28:30 AM
At this point in my fishing, it's about the experience, not the meat anyways.  I think kayakers are probably a more mature group as a whole compared to PB'ers.  We have worked past the stage of quantity and moved up to quality.  We look at the details as part of the whole experience instead of just the final result of fish taken.   We tend to be quite satisfied to fish where PB's are not satisfied until they catch.

Love this ...

-Allen
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: beenfishin on September 06, 2012, 10:17:25 AM
At this point in my fishing, it's about the experience, not the meat anyways.  I think kayakers are probably a more mature group as a whole compared to PB'ers.  We have worked past the stage of quantity and moved up to quality.  We look at the details as part of the whole experience instead of just the final result of fish taken.   We tend to be quite satisfied to fish where PB's are not satisfied until they catch.

Love this ...

-Allen

X2, that's about the best summation of yak-fishing I've seen.  Mind if I steal it for my signature line?  :smt002
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: e2g on September 06, 2012, 11:34:12 AM
Coming off plane creates a larger wake, that is more likely to swamp or knock someone off their yak. 

+1 especially with the really big ass boats.  Just remember the 10% rule.  Given any group, 10% are saints, 80% somewhere in between and 10% a holes.  Doesnt matter, PB, truckers, cabbies.  I suppose even with yakkers if you cast a wide enough net the numbers would even to that.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Lost_Anchovy on September 06, 2012, 01:43:38 PM
I firmly believe that most boaters are respectful guys. However if you keep running into the 10% aholes  every damn time you go out it starts to get to you and your patience wears thin. When kayak fish I just want to be left alone with my buddies.

Regarding redrifting for wsb, the guys that  have been fishing with me do not fish by the pb because we know for a fact their noise puts off the bite.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: ex-kayaker on September 06, 2012, 02:04:58 PM
At this point in my fishing, it's about the experience, not the meat anyways.  I think kayakers are probably a more mature group as a whole compared to PB'ers.  We have worked past the stage of quantity and moved up to quality.  We look at the details as part of the whole experience instead of just the final result of fish taken.   We tend to be quite satisfied to fish where PB's are not satisfied until they catch.

Love this ...

-Allen


I don't really feel this is a fair generalization either.  I've met and seen reports from plenty of yakers that are all about the meat.  Some are super competitive and into whacking big fish from small craft.  Some take great pride in outfishing people with boats.  There's nothing wrong with it but the entire group isn't just about...just being out there to enjoy the experience.  I've met plenty of boaters that just love being out on the water, just because they're powered by an engine doesn't they're enjoyment is diminished or somehow valued less than a kayaker's. 

e2g hit teh hammer on the head with his societal breakdown.


Lost Anchovy....if you seek alone time.....the hotest bite in the bay area is probably not the best place to find it.  And the boaters being aholes....are aholes to everybody else in the fleet not just you.

       
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Goz on September 06, 2012, 02:33:35 PM
I agree that most PBers are just like us, respectful, and just looking for a nice day on the water, but A-holes are A-holes, be it boaters or drivers or anything else. I prefer to distance myself from them if possible. However, I witnessed one Santa Cruz PBer in particular (CHANGE ORDER) that made a point of running through about a dozen of us intentionally. No reason, just an A-hole. Can't polish a turd.
Title: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: crash on September 06, 2012, 03:04:05 PM
I agree that most PBers are just like us, respectful, and just looking for a nice day on the water, but A-holes are A-holes, be it boaters or drivers or anything else. I prefer to distance myself from them if possible. However, I witnessed one Santa Cruz PBer in particular (CHANGE ORDER) that made a point of running through about a dozen of us intentionally. No reason, just an A-hole. Can't polish a turd.

lol, even the boat name suggests that guy is probably difficult to deal with.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: e2g on September 06, 2012, 06:03:59 PM
I witnessed one Santa Cruz PBer in particular (CHANGE ORDER) that made a point of running through about a dozen of us intentionally. No reason, just an A-hole. Can't polish a turd.

I was on a bike ride in the SC harbor today and I saw CHANGE ORDER washing his boat.  I looked at him with a friendly smile and he just scowled back.  So it aint just kayakers, I think he hates everyone. 
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: alien on September 06, 2012, 06:38:47 PM
I like PB'rs , A- holes or not! As long as they still call me and tell me when the bites on :smt003 I lost a couple of them when they caught wind that i was NCKA :smt044
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Sin Coast on September 06, 2012, 08:34:35 PM
Not all A-hulls are A-holes!
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Otter on September 06, 2012, 08:39:16 PM
At this point in my fishing, it's about the experience, not the meat anyways.  I think kayakers are probably a more mature group as a whole compared to PB'ers.  We have worked past the stage of quantity and moved up to quality.  We look at the details as part of the whole experience instead of just the final result of fish taken.   We tend to be quite satisfied to fish where PB's are not satisfied until they catch.

Love this ...



-Allen



I

I don't really feel this is a fair generalization either.  I've met and seen reports from plenty of yakers that are all about the meat.  Some are super competitive and into whacking big fish from small craft.  Some take great pride in outfishing people with boats.  There's nothing wrong with it but the entire group isn't just about...just being out there to enjoy the experience.  I've met plenty of boaters that just love being out on the water, just because they're powered by an engine doesn't they're enjoyment is diminished or somehow valued less than a kayaker's. 

e2g hit teh hammer on the head with his societal breakdown.


Lost Anchovy....if you seek alone time.....the hotest bite in the bay area is probably not the best place to find it.  And the boaters being aholes....are aholes to everybody else in the fleet not just you.

     


I've never met you Agarcia but I tend to agree with you on most of these controversial discussions. An ahole is an ahole no matter if they are on a boat or a yak. The boater can have more of an obvious presence but its really all the same in the end. Be safe out there you guys.

-Eliot
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: DrDave on September 06, 2012, 08:55:16 PM
There is always a few in every crowd.  :smt013 Some people have class and some do not...it is very simple. :smt006
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Great Bass 2 on September 06, 2012, 08:59:51 PM
I also agree with Art on most issues including this one. Down in SCAL, I have run into some kayak anglers who were just as big jerks as the PB guys. I do agree with skipro that kayak fishing is more about the whole experience whereas PB fishing is more about catching. On long range boats, trolling in search of fish is called a "boat ride" and when it goes on for days is not a good thing. In kayak fishing the "boat ride" is a big part of the experience. I am a dedicated meat hunter so not saying the catching isn't important but if I don't catch anything, it doesn't mean I didn't have a great time. We are basically sitting in the water and a much different perspective than being in a PB. Not a put down on PB's but just that just making it out there and back alive and not swimming or losing tackle is a great day for me. In a PB you take a lot of that for granite.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: FishingForTheCure on September 06, 2012, 10:07:44 PM
Life's an adventure.  There will be no day like today.  It's about the journey, not the destination.  However you want to look at it...  For me, any/all of the above apply.  I'm just happy to spend a day in the water and make it home safe.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: polepole on September 06, 2012, 10:54:00 PM
At this point in my fishing, it's about the experience, not the meat anyways.  I think kayakers are probably a more mature group as a whole compared to PB'ers.  We have worked past the stage of quantity and moved up to quality.  We look at the details as part of the whole experience instead of just the final result of fish taken.   We tend to be quite satisfied to fish where PB's are not satisfied until they catch.

Love this ...

-Allen


I don't really feel this is a fair generalization either.  I've met and seen reports from plenty of yakers that are all about the meat.  Some are super competitive and into whacking big fish from small craft.  Some take great pride in outfishing people with boats.  There's nothing wrong with it but the entire group isn't just about...just being out there to enjoy the experience.  I've met plenty of boaters that just love being out on the water, just because they're powered by an engine doesn't they're enjoyment is diminished or somehow valued less than a kayaker's. 


I still love it Art.

But you probably also know that I don't support and "us vs. them" attitude when it comes to fishermen.  I am a fisherman!  I fish off kayaks.  I also fish off boats.

-Allen
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Ski Pro 3 -- Jerry on September 07, 2012, 07:18:25 AM
Just seems it's easier to recognize and respect the level of skill and the commitment someone took to get involved in the sport of kayak fishing compared to PB fishing.  There is more dedication to develop into a successful fisherman and perhaps even a different interpretation of what success is.  Because we do recognize that in other kayak fishermen, there's a level of camaraderie among us compared to the PB'ers who seem more adversarial towards each other.
I realize these are generalizations, but on the whole, that's how I see it.   

Same with other sports; Archery / Rifle hunting, dirt bike / quad, skiing / snowmobiling for example.

Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: EWB on September 07, 2012, 10:10:37 AM
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I was on a bike ride in the SC harbor today and I saw CHANGE ORDER washing his boat.  I looked at him with a friendly smile and he just scowled back.  So it aint just kayakers, I think he hates everyone.

maybe he just hates anything human powered?

As I continue to suck at fishing I have convinced myself the "experience" is what its all about. I must say the AI does offer some nice distractions.

Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: drvoolittle on September 07, 2012, 12:00:18 PM
C'mon, haven't you guys ever seen a guy driving a piece of shit car with a super hot girl in the passenger seat? I'm sure that's how guys in PB's feel when they see a kayaker with something nice on the clip. "I spent all this money on a BMW and she's with the dude who's rollin a Geo."

 :smt044 So now I'm going to make a homemade raft and fish with Walmart gear from now on..
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: mooch on October 10, 2012, 04:40:33 PM
I like this  :smt023


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All operators of recreational powerboats in Canada now require a Pleasure Craft Operator Card*, commonly known as a Canadian Boating License. Boaters caught without an Operator Card* risk a minimum $250.00 fine. Obtaining an Operator Card is also the best way to gain the knowledge you need to boat with confidence!

An Operator Card is required for all ages, boat sizes and waterways in Canada when operating a motorized vessel. If you operate a powered recreational boat you need an Operator Card* - It's the law.

Once obtained, the official BOATsmart!® Operator Card is good for life. Lost your boating license? Damaged card that needs replacement? Obtain a replacement boat license from BOATsmart!®.


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Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: ex-kayaker on October 10, 2012, 04:49:56 PM
Ghey.....I've posed this question to you before.  If licensing was the answer, then why are there still in car accidents and ahole drivers in automobiles?

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Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: mooch on October 10, 2012, 04:57:00 PM
Ghey.....I've posed this question to you before.  If licensing was the answer, then why are there still in car accidents and ahole drivers in automobiles?

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how can u even compare car drivers to boaters? Isn't there more car drivers then boat operators......please correct me if I'm wrong. And do realize that this is my opinion on the subject. I think your panties are too tight.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: ex-kayaker on October 10, 2012, 06:02:35 PM
How can you not compare the two.....motorized vehicles, operating licenses, perfectly valid comparison. 


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Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: EWB on October 10, 2012, 09:22:40 PM
However one often has a cooler full of beer present, a 14 yr old at the wheel, no brakes, turn signals, and no real ability to turn unless you are under power oh and water has no and no lanes, lights or signs.

Maybe not a license per say but at least a "hey dummy this isnt a car" class
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: FishingForTheCure on October 10, 2012, 09:46:05 PM
As long as there are people at the when, there will be ahole drivers.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: mooch on October 10, 2012, 11:06:47 PM
However one often has a cooler full of beer present, a 14 yr old at the wheel, no brakes, turn signals, and no real ability to turn unless you are under power oh and water has no and no lanes, lights or signs.

Maybe not a license per say but at least a "hey dummy this isnt a car" class

 :smt023

IMO - I still say license them all (Boat and PWC or anything that has engine on it)

Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: ex-kayaker on October 11, 2012, 09:02:05 AM
However one often has a cooler full of beer present, a 14 yr old at the wheel, no brakes, turn signals, and no real ability to turn unless you are under power oh and water has no and no lanes, lights or signs.

Maybe not a license per say but at least a "hey dummy this isnt a car" class



Generalizations.  Thats like saying kayakers are aloof, hang out in boat channels getting in the way and cost taxpayers way too much in coastguard rescues cause thats how the rental kooks get down.

The fact that there isn't turning signals, lanes, brakes and signs is all the more reason to not start overcomplicating everything by regulating it.  The otw accident rate is pretty low, and I'd venture to say that the same people that are involved in those incidents are licensed to drive and equally stupid behind the wheel of a car....despite being licensed.   

moochie boy is just a boat hating prohibitionist who wants to regulate the hell out of everyone else cause they have a differrent perspective than him.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: mooch on October 11, 2012, 09:33:29 AM
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moochie boy is just a boat hating prohibitionist who wants to regulate the hell out of everyone else cause they have a differrent perspective than him.

call it what you want but I totally agree to disagree about your assumptions. And I still stand and believe in my opinion.

Agarcia is just an ex-kayaker that believes that boaters should be exempt from laws that promote safety in the water ways. oh well, to each his own. 


Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: novofish on October 11, 2012, 09:42:06 AM
LOL Ashley, Olivia and I almost got run over by some of my Asian cousin's operating a rental pontoon boat at SPDR.
They were pleasure cruising really close to shore, and it looked like dad was letting mommy drive.
She smiled as we yelled at her, finally the guy had to yank the wheel, as she had no idea WTF she was doing.
Maybe a little instruction/direction wouldn't hurt, at least at the rental docks. :smt001
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: EWB on October 11, 2012, 09:45:05 AM
I will let you and Moochie duke that one out  :smt008

I have seen a few ppl in boats that when I handed them the reins they looked surprised when I said....you know boats don't have brakes AND you need to be under power to turn effectively.

I also have also been buzzed (within 5 ft) by a 13 yr old on a jet ski while I wake boarding.

Art, sure the actual #'s may be low...but %'s of personal AND property damage may be higher.

I get actual licensing may not solve the issue. But what about a safety or common sense boating class? Why do we have hunter or handgun safety classes? Ever see some of the idiots that buy/use guns? If a class imparts one ounce of common sense I say its worth it.

Perhaps the better approach is to reward someone for taking a class on safety/boat use, etc (lower insurance rates) vs forcing ppl to take the class.

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I'd venture to say that the same people that are involved in those incidents are licensed to drive and equally stupid behind the wheel of a car....despite being licensed.

I actually think your comment above is exactly the issue...A boat ISN'T a car and people should know the difference.

Cars have become synonymous with the American culture. We grow up with them in all forms (amusement park rides, RC car, you name it). But things like motorcycles, planes and boats are not as common. Two of the three above require some degree of "extra" training and/or testing. Why not a min amount for a boat?

As a PB'er I get the NO WAY. But as a yak'r I think some extra "PB knowledge" may not be a bad thing.

Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: ken jan on October 11, 2012, 10:18:36 AM
I like this  :smt023


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Get Your Boating License - Avoid The $250 Fine
All operators of recreational powerboats in Canada now require a Pleasure Craft Operator Card*, commonly known as a Canadian Boating License. Boaters caught without an Operator Card* risk a minimum $250.00 fine. Obtaining an Operator Card is also the best way to gain the knowledge you need to boat with confidence!

An Operator Card is required for all ages, boat sizes and waterways in Canada when operating a motorized vessel. If you operate a powered recreational boat you need an Operator Card* - It's the law.

Once obtained, the official BOATsmart!® Operator Card is good for life. Lost your boating license? Damaged card that needs replacement? Obtain a replacement boat license from BOATsmart!®.


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http://www.boatsmartexam.com/en/ (http://www.boatsmartexam.com/en/)

We all had to go to class and pass a test here in NJ.  I can't believe that in Cali anyone can drive???

Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: Kayote on October 11, 2012, 12:42:21 PM
Why is Mooch shown as a guest?.
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: e2g on October 11, 2012, 02:35:27 PM
Why is Mooch shown as a guest?.
f'ing newb he is  :smt044
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: baitNbeer on October 11, 2012, 03:45:19 PM
LOL @ Art is just an ex kayaker

mooch >> :smt008 <<<art
Title: Re: Getting this off my chest! Kayakers vs. Boaters
Post by: ravensblack on October 11, 2012, 04:55:24 PM
Why is Mooch classified as a guest now? WTF?