NorCal Kayak Anglers
Kayak Fishing Zone => General Fishing Tips => Topic started by: mooch on July 13, 2008, 01:20:29 AM
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dropper loop knot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P7DSPU4t-w&NR=1
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palomar knot (my personal favorite)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiDDdW22X9k
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uni knot & uni to uni knot....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6O-KMVi1AI
double uni knot
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANupDtPWxtQ
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Blood knot...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufncs42S8G8&feature=related
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Improved clinch knot....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY1H4cSppgg&feature=related
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modified slip knot....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgjJtVcRl8w&feature=related
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Mooch, I just saw the video on the Uni Knot to Uni Knot. How close can you trim the tag ends and keep the knot secure? Obviously, the closer the better for going through Rod Guides or anything else the knot can get caught on. This knot seems perfect for attaching Spectra to Monofilament leaders.
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Mooch, I just saw the video on the Uni Knot to Uni Knot. How close can you trim the tag ends and keep the knot secure? Obviously, the closer the better for going through Rod Guides or anything else the knot can get caught on. This knot seems perfect for attaching Spectra to Monofilament leaders.
for this reason the albright is usually used on a thicker mono leader. if the mono leader is thick enough for the protruding tag end to be a problem with a uni to uni, use an albright.
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Fantastic thread. Not sure how I missed it. Had I saw this before the MBK tourney, I wouldn't have needed to bug GB2.
Now I'll just sit back and wait for somebody to post how to tie the albright. :smt003
Michael
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the knot can get caught on.
In my experience, I have never had a problem using the uni to uni. Sure you feel the knot "tick" the guide but I have never broken off my line because of it. Use the knot system that works for you :smt002
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Fantastic thread. Not sure how I missed it. Had I saw this before the MBK tourney, I wouldn't have needed to bug GB2.
Now I'll just sit back and wait for somebody to post how to tie the albright. :smt003
Michael
If ya look at the first utube knot video, and look at the other vids on the bottom, you will see a video for the
albright
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If ya look at the first utube knot video, and look at the other vids on the bottom, you will see a video for the
albright
Thanks Don, I'll check it out and try tying both the albright and uni to uni to see which I feel more comfortable with.
Michael
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From fish*ing (fish'ing)
1. n. the art of casting, trolling, jigging or spinning while freezing, sweating, swatting or swearing.
By Henry Beard & Roy McKie
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I use both knots. uni-to-uni and albright. more about the albright here:
I don't tie albrights on the yak, I generally stick with a uni knot there. and try to tie no knots on the ocean if I can.
An albright is very smooth through the guides, so if you want a casting leader (to absorb the shock and abrasion of casting) or winding thick leader (40 and above) through your guides with braid mainline, they are the best choice.
both my rods have a doubled section of 30lb braid which is tied to a rod length section of mono, which goes to a snap swivel with a slido above it (for threeway use). the leaders I use have a surgeon's knot at the top which goes in the snap swivel. at the bottom of the leader is a duolock snap tied with either a palomar or a uni (can't decide which I like better there). I often tie a dropper loop in the middle of the leader for a teaser.
my mainline should be doubled with a bimini twist, but I cheat and use a surgeons loop. that would hurt me if I was offshore fishing, but here, no penalty.
I used to tie the braid directly to the snap swivel and that works well, but you do get cases of the braid abrading and you should retie that every trip. With the setup I have now I only retie the snap swivel after a trip if the mono is abraded and that happens slowly so that means I am not retying my albrights very often.
the big key with tying a good albright is the tightening stage. you want to work the opposite tags and mains against each other slowly and with increasing force before you finally pull main to main and then trim. when you trim I trim real careful and with an angled trim on the thick leader so it is even smoother. some people put a dab of glue over it to make it smoother and give some abrasion protection to the coils of the smaller mainline. I don't do that cause I never have any suitable glue handy but would if I did.
generally an albright is something you use fishing for bigger fish or casting big weights real far, it is not really required for our provincial form of fishing which is pulling up 2lb rockfish with 40lb gear (okay, you do get a ling or halibut once in while, but the gear handles those easily too) and does not really need any special equipment (a handline would work fine), but it's a good thing to know.
dilbert, you should get yourself a $15 copy of vic dunaway's bait, rigs and tackle as he will explain this all to you with nice pictures. that's what I used to teach myself.
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I use both knots. uni-to-uni and albright. more about the albright here:
I don't tie albrights on the yak, I generally stick with a uni knot there. and try to tie no knots on the ocean if I can.
my mainline should be doubled with a bimini twist, but I cheat and use a surgeons loop. that would hurt me if I was offshore fishing, but here, no penalty.
John -
In a recent review of knots, the spider hitch performed as well as a bimini for producing a double line. I tie a bimini albright off the water and a bimin-spider hitch or double uni on the water, but I also pre-tie leaders so I rarely tie on the water.
Scott
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Great topic Mooch! How about my new favorite knot... the Trilene? I like the fact that it goes around the hook/split ring twice for a little more support. I've had uni's bust there so I guess it's become superstition for me. Not the absolute easiest knot to tie but not that hard either and worth the effort IMO.
Z
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caBp8-xTxm0
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Z, good point, that is why I can't decide between the palomar and the uni for the duolock at the bottom. cause the palomar goes through the hole twice.
one rule of thumb is how skinny the thing is you are tying to. if it's a nice fat swivel either knot works and one wrap around the fat swivel seems fine. but if you are tying to something with thin diameter like a small duolock going around it twice is a good idea and that is why I sometimes use a palomar there. but a palomar takes a little more spit and care to not tweak the mono just above the knot.
you can also double your line and tie a uni if you want it to go through the hole twice. I do this sometimes.
scott, dunaway says the spider hitch tests on a machine well, but slowly weakens and loosens on a long hard fight while the albright does not. he also says a palomar can break with a hard shock while a uni handles that better. but I think he has some vested interest in the uni knot system being used a lot since he had a lot to do with publicising that one.
he shows the trilene and just says it is a good knot that is a variation on the standard clinch knot and goes through the hole twice.
the dropper loop is one that gave me a lot of problems when learning. I'd pull and it would just unravel. also, Dunaway does not show the real dropper loop knot and says you can use a surgeons loop as a dropper, but you really can't, it breaks too easily. This is a real omission in his book and cost me a fish or two. A real dropper loop knot is definitely the way to go. you have to use quite a bit of spit and have a way to hold the loop extended while you pull on both ends of the line. a good dropper is still the weak point in the leader, but if you tie it carefully it only weakens the leader a little so that abrasion is the thing that finally kills the leader.
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I used to only use a uni knot for 99% of my fishing situations, but I've branched out a bit more. I always use a palomar when using braid, and when tying braid to mono I always use the albright. Mono to mono, or mono to flouro gets a uni to uni knot.
One more specialty knot I use a lot is the Rapala Knot. I use this for fishing live bait with light wire hooks that don't have a ring. Tying a Rapala Knot leaves a loop at the end of your line that doesn't slide when you have a fish on, which would weaken the line. The loop provides the same benefit as a ring does for heavier hooks in that it allows your bait to swim more naturally.
http://www.steelheader.net/knots/rapala_knot.htm
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I've got some learnin' to do. I know all the names but can only tie the palomar, improved cinch, and the rapala knot. :smt011
Michael
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to the albright and uni, i'd add the eye crosser knot... helps with braid to flouro and works great putting a snap or barrel swivel in your rigs
http://www.netknots.com/html/eye_crosser_knot.html
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Here's a fairly new line to lure knot called the fish-n-fool knot. It's easy to tie and is stronger than the Palomar knot. http://www.versuscountry.com/itemdetail.aspx?id=3735
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Here's another dropper loop called the Kwi Dropper Loop, that is a little harder than the original dropper loop, but it's much stronger. Try tying both versions on a single line and pull the line to see which one breaks first. Ilike to use the extra loop for an even higher strength knot
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Here's a knot called the J Knot that is great for attaching a monofilament leader to a braided main line that I think is a little easier to tie than the Double Uni Knot and just as strong. Try it, you might like it.
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Here's a knot called the J Knot that is great for attaching a monofilament leader to a braided main line that I think is a little easier to tie than the Double Uni Knot and just as strong. Try it, you might like it.
I've become a very big fan of the J Knot when going from braid to mono/fluoro.
Since most of my reels are spooled w/ power pro braid I normally have to tie a leader of mono. My go to's have been to tie a swivel on and then the leader or do a uni-uni splice. The swivel was strong but it wouldn't fit through the guides so if I had a long leader was hard to land fish. The uni-uni was nice but not quite as strong as I wanted. Problem I saw was all the stress was right where the mono wrapped around the braid and made a 90 degree turn. When it got really tight under pressure it constricted the single wrap of mono and broke right there regularly. I'd looked for a new knot that made sense physically, was proven to hold well, and wasn't too hard to tie. What I came up with was the J Knot.
The nice thing about the J Knot is that it doesn't require the mono to make a 90 degree turn around the braid and create that constricting point. Instead it has a few turns that it takes together with the braid meaning the turns are more rounded out overall. I also like that the knot is pretty low profile and slips through the guides nicely.
Z
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Check out this link to a braid to mono/floro knot. Looks to be a good strong smooth knot. I'm going to give it a go and do some strength tests on it.
http://www.gulffishing.com/spectra2mono.html
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Check out this link to a braid to mono/floro knot. Looks to be a good strong smooth knot. I'm going to give it a go and do some strength tests on it.
http://www.gulffishing.com/spectra2mono.html
Great know have been useing it since last year and have yet to have it break always have the lure break off before the braid to mono will break
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Here's a fairly new line to lure knot called the fish-n-fool knot. It's easy to tie and is stronger than the Palomar knot. http://www.versuscountry.com/itemdetail.aspx?id=3735
I saw that episode of knot wars. This knot has another name, but I can't recall right now.
I've been tying this knot with my braid for years...ever since I saw it recommended in the brochure that comes w/300yd spool of Spiderwire Stealth.
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I tried this knot this weekend and it looks like a winner. Only tied one, but when I reefed on it it held real strong.
Further tests are pending.... :smt002
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Can anyone tell me what knot to use to tie a shrimp fly direct to my line?
I thought it was called a "loop knot" but that leaves a "loop". I want it up tight against the line (it will be above my swimbait about 1 1/2' up the line...
Thanks!
Kim
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I use a Palomar when drop-shotting bass, but I'm also not expecting to put any tension on the line below the knot. It could be that this is a weak spot, as most dropper knots are.
Personally, I just fish a single lure, as you never know when Mr. Big is going to grab it. The Linda Mar monster still haunts me...
Scott
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The Linda Mar monster still haunts me...
Should we call you Ishmael or Ahab? Maybe it was your White Sea Bass! :smt003
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Dan Blanton has agreed to host Bill Nash's knot site. The late Bill Nash is no longer with us but he was a great fisher, the supreme geek of knots, and generous to all. I personally fished with him several times in his boat--mostly in the ocean after WSB, Rockfish, and Lings with fly rods out of Santa Cruz in Monterey Bay. A nicer and more generous guy I've never met. I hope his knowledge helps many others. It is fly casting oriented, but the knots are the same and there are many. I have his book and took a course on knots (given through SJ Flycasters) from him a decade ago--I've never learned more about knots from any one person--ever. Bill tested every knot with different materials (fluorocarbon, regular Copolymer Nylon, braid, etc.) and, believe it or not, all materials don't have the same breaking strength with different knots--the difference will surprise you. Did you know the Clinch knot reduces Nylon Copolymer (traditional monofilament line) nylon to 65% breaking strength? Even worse with fluorocarbon. Did you know that most knots in Fuorocarbon isare10-15% less strong than with traditional Nylon Copolymer? I didn't either and the difference matters. Bill did the homework so we don't have to. Fluorcarbon is more invisible but there is no free lunch. And that knowledge might help you keep fish. His book is a gem and I refer to it often.
Here is Dan's testament to Bill:
"The late Bill Nash was one of the most loved and respected West Coast fly fishers with decades of hard core experience in all aspects of fly-fishing. He was particularly well known for his expertise in knots and rigging and earned the handle "Mr. Knots". Because of popular demand and with permission from his family, I am proud to host Bill's website - a wealth of fly-fishing information. Read Bill's pages by clicking on the link above."
http://www.danblanton.com/billnash/ (http://www.danblanton.com/billnash/)
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I do two variations on popular knots:
For the improved clinch, I insert my finger in the loop, then twirl it around 7 times to make the twists. It's faster, and then, you've got a bigger first twist to run the tag end through. It consumes a little more line, but that's not much of a problem for saltwater rigs (bigger issue for flyline tippets). With practice, I can tie that in about 15 seconds. You just have to make sure to keep the hook out of the way.
On the blood knot - I tie it like a dropper loop. Start with the two lines overlapped, and the tag ends held between ring and little finger on each hand. Then twirl the two mainlines, just like a dropper loop - run the two tags into the separated twist, and tighten. MUCH faster for me than tying a conventional blood knot.
FWIW.
Ron
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Cool Post. I always seem to forget how to tie them all so this is a good spot to refresh the memory. I've learned to tie a few knots that I use pretty much all the time but they're not practical for all situations.
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hey mooch thanks for the videos on knot tying very helpful have a good one...
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If i've got light line, then i use a figure 8 (old climbing knot) for live bait rigs-- with heavier line i don't use it as it leaves too big of a profile. Loses very little of the line strength
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CnYmY_B938
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I had trouble finding this, so thought I'd pass it on.
If you want a two hook setup for bait fish, slide your leader line through the eye of what will be your sliding hook (snout of bait), and leave about the right length for your main hook (tail of bait) on the other side to tie later. Cut a generous length (12"-18") of 10-15# test and tie this snood knot (below) on top of what will be your sliding hook and leader. If the line for the snood is too short it's a pita to tie.
http://www.marinews.com/Snood-327.php
Ben
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The captain of the Freedom, a charter boat out of San Pedro, told me last year that the way to connect fluoro to mono was with a surgeon's knot. It's very simple and easy to tie, like an overhand knot but twice through. It's worked good for me. Just Google "surgeon's knot".
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mono to fluoro leader I use a seaguar knot http://www.netknots.com/html/seaguar_knot.html
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I might have overlooked it, but don't think I saw anyone suggest the Red Phillips Knot....
http://www.thehulltruth.com/dockside-chat/185164-red-phillips-knot.html
I use for connecting flouro leaders to braid and never have had one fail. Pretty easy to tie.
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Almost any knot you want, with most having animations. Lots of other knots too besides fishing knots
http://www.netknots.com/html/fishing_knots.html (http://www.netknots.com/html/fishing_knots.html)
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generally if you need to tie any knot in particular you can search youy tube for most of your needs. this page is very helpfull but i am looking for a halibut slip not. :smt044
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Ive dont some research and tests over the years.
and knots I've found are best are
Leader to lure/line/swive
double San diego jam (knot 100% knot strenghth)- strongest knot this has won at the fred hall show knot competion for the last 5 years, yet a pain to tie and a little big.
Uni 95% knot strength-easy/fast
palomar 95 % knot strength- easier/faster if you can double line through hook eye, and tiny
spectra to mono
Bob sands knot +95% (cross between 18 twist blood with spectra/uni with mono) and it casts really good and is stronger then uni/palomar but not san diego.
mono to fluro
double surgeons knot/seagar (topologically the same, just different approaches)
dropper
original Dropper loops(just tested it over kiwi droper )
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http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php/topic,33813.0.html (http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php/topic,33813.0.html)
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Can someone tell me if the palomar knots works with mono, fluorocarbon, and braided line?
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Can someone tell me if the palomar knots works with mono, fluorocarbon, and braided line?
Absolutely.
-Allen
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Can someone tell me if the palomar knots works with mono, fluorocarbon, and braided line?
The Palomar not will not work with braided line. It will slip under extreme conditions. Berkley has come up with a modified version for slippery lines like braid and their new nanofil line. Like the Palomar, after you thread the folded line through the eye, double the overhand knot before putting the hook through the loop. It is strong and will not slip.
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Can someone tell me if the palomar knots works with mono, fluorocarbon, and braided line?
I use it and have not had any failures with the new lines yet
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I use the palomar with mono and braid all the time, works great.
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Thank you all for the help!
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One day while shore fishing I got bored and started trying to discover my own knots or knots I didn't know of yet and I thought I was on to something new when I tied the modified slip knot because nobody that I knew tied that one. Guess I'm a bit slow but that knot has been my go to knot especially if I ever needed to tie a knot for some reason out on the water. Super super super easy and fast and I've tested it personally on mono, the line would give before the knot. On braid I thought it would slip but it really holds up the same. I no longer tie other knots except for double uni and albright for connections. I can literally tie the slip knot in about 5 seconds, I love that knot.
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Can someone tell me if the palomar knots works with mono, fluorocarbon, and braided line?
I use it and have not had any failures with the new lines yet
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probably my favorite knot in the palomar. i use it for almost every application
here is a couple of strength tests on youtube
Trilene vs Palomar - Round 6, Knot Wars 2008, fishing knots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91aqhBQFLPk#)
Eye-Crosser vs Uni knot - Round 4, Knot Wars 2008, fishing knots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24bzPEgfcWw#)
Uni to Uni vs. Blood Knot - Round 13, Knot Wars 2008, fishing knots (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c37njIhKjms#)
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Here's a knot I posted a few years back;
http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=23349.0 (http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=23349.0)
We have been using it in the store since we started selling braid back in the 90's
don't know who actually created it, but it's funny to read all the comments of people who claim to have designed it ... years after we have been using it ;0)
See Ya Soon,
Eric / Yakhopper
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A good resource to bookmark:
http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishing.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com (http://www.animatedknots.com/indexfishing.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com)
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Best reference book I have is the complete fisherman Field and Stream. Still use it do to memory loss....ahh the 60's
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This is awesome.
Thank you!
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This is an amazing resource.
I have also found several apps these days that are perfect for specific line applications.
check out:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fishing-knots-mp-fish/id681286803?mt=8
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This is an amazing resource.
I have also found several apps these days that are perfect for specific line applications.
check out:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/fishing-knots-mp-fish/id681286803?mt=8
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I use the palomar with mono and braid all the time, works great.
brade slips just ,leave alittle extra at the end and if you feel brave burn the end with a lighter lightly
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDip4_e4c0U
Fg Knot, Braid backing to mono/flouro leader.
Its like Franks red hot sauce I Put this shit on everything now.
I dont usually tie this in the field, only to set up casting distance top shots, or just as a shock leader for rock fishing. This knot is crazy strong and passes through eyes really well, better then uni/uni and even albright in my opinion. Learned this knot tuna fishing in socal.
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Yep, never had an FG knot fail. I use it on all my braid to fluoro or mono connections. Tou can find several ways to tie it on YouTube.
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Its like Franks red hot sauce I Put this shit on everything now.
Hahaha. After watching Briggsy's video I need to try it out. Do you do the same length of leader he does? Also, I'm not about to get 200lb mono. I'm guessing that was just for the video to make it more visible.
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I generally wind up 30 ft of leader. Tuna flouro is like a 25 lb for stealth and you want enough to cast. My boat rig for ling has 40 mono on it. Then I just keep clipping off the end if it gets damaged. When I snag this knot usually holds and I'll break off at my swivel connecting my terminal.
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How long did it take you to get the FG knot right?
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I practiced it a shit load (I lost a bft and a deck hand got mad at me before on a charter boat) The trick is seeing it "turn color" then u basically know it's gonna hold because it has pressed into the flouro in that finger trap fashion. Doesn't work on lighter then 8lb mono/flouro I've found. Get some tightening sticks so you can really cinch it down then do the Briggs finish. Risuto or something he calls it.
After the main wraps I do 2 opposite half hitches, tighten till i see it turn color (tag end in my mouth and just using my hands on the braid/flouro), then a series of overhand knots then the finish knot. Cinch down on it then Burn ends double/triple check it.
Fg is only really needed if ur worried about larger lines/knots passing through eyes, otherwise double uni is easier and works just as well lol. That's the knot i tie in field if I have too,
Fg is a in front of the couch at home kinda knot for me that I hope to only tie once a season on my rigs lol
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Solid copy. Thanks. I look forward to giving it a shot.
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This video really helped me master it
https://youtu.be/qQmUN0L4F6c
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But this knot would be easier when using short flouro leaders
https://youtu.be/AT6zmDYxjW4
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This is BY FAR, THE BEST KNOT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B12qZuh6uA
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I use that knot all the time to tie up my pitchers :smt044
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:smt005 :smt005
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FG knot versus uni to uni. Any thoughts?
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Uni is easier to tie OTW than FG, at least for me. At home, i'll do the FG or Alberto
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Uni is easier to tie OTW than FG, at least for me. At home, i'll do the FG or Alberto
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i've been having trouble getting a good FG on smaller diameter flouro, I was running 6lb for trout trolling. I ended up doing the FG finger trap with the braid, then an uni on the flouro side and slid them together, then finished my braid half hitches and rizzuto finish. worked out great, at least it had my confidence in the connection higher then before, the Uni is just a bit thicker but definitely my go-to. Uni on everything!
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Here is my modified FG for smaller diameter flouro (<10lb) to braid. I would only tie it at home, OTW im just tying an uni and listening to it skip through my guides the rest of the day lol.
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Dang check out this knot. Needs a special tool but I've watched the tests for consistant 100% strength capacity. Just a bit stronger then the fg. Still not a knot I'd tie otw but I love setting up my topshot at home.
Pr knot
https://youtu.be/QDuZwxBjW4M
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Dang check out this knot. Needs a special tool but I've watched the tests for consistant 100% strength capacity. Just a bit stronger then the fg. Still not a knot I'd tie otw but I love setting up my topshot at home.
Pr knot
https://youtu.be/QDuZwxBjW4M
That’s a good one, and one that I like to use. It takes some practice and a bit of time to learn, as well as a bobbin tool, but I’ve never had one fail as of yet.
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I was just looking at some split ring pliers and stumbled across this company Toit. They "Invented" a knot in 2020 that looks interesting, but more importantly they have run some tests on common knots that my fellow knot nerds should get a kick out of. Line to line and terminal knots, but still missing my favorite FG knot!
Not sure if they are continuing their tests but it's some pretty good stuff, still looking for an overall table of results but the videos are fun.
https://toitfishing.com/knots/ (https://toitfishing.com/knots/)
https://www.youtube.com/@toitfishing/playlists (https://www.youtube.com/@toitfishing/playlists)