ICAST 2018...Year of the Barge,

I predict Hobie will introduce a rotary prop rather than flipper drive model soon. SO much more efficient and functional.

Is that true?  I was under the impression the mirage was more efficient.  The dealer told me it was 5 to 1 more efficient.  Of course he wanted my money so take it with a grain of salt.  The one upside I see for the Hobie though is when you stop peddling the mirage will cut through water with less resistance than a stopped prop.  At least I think so.  Right?

I don't think that 5:1 is anywhere near true.  Hobie fins have more torque, but that does not equate to actual through the water efficiency per the amount of energy you are putting out through your legs.  Kayak hull design is first and foremost in helping efficiency.  Plenty of guys have switched to prop drives and they love them for just about everything except being in really weedy areas.  Plus for my knees, pedaling in a circular motion is better than the hobie motion.  But everyone is different, so the only way to know for yourself is to try them. 

For what kind of water did you think the CT Vantage seat was designed?  For West Coast ocean fishing?  Ha!

For whatever reason, the manufacturers have written us off.  Criminy!  When Wally Word kayaks like Sun Dolphin start making fat pedal-drive kayaks it's one of the Seven Signs.   

My venture into the Hobie we world was a failure for me . But it was my doing not the boats .

When I originally demoed the used Revo 13 I wasn't excited about its weight but with a Rhino lift system manageable and with the loss of some strength on my right using the drive had me fired up and was doable since paddling wasn't as efficient as I liked

My injury is L4-L5-S1 and has affected my right side .

The problem came after use my lower back and right side would get aggravated  over time and took longer to settle each trip, So I would constantly adjust seat height , peddle distance  to no avail .

It would be OK but as my lower back would get aggravated lifting it when not using the lift wasn't fun .

I got so frustrated I sold off damn near all my kayak gear .... Over time obviously I'm going at it with the Eddyline at 50# I have to paddle again and be realistic and diligent about when , where , who  and conditions I can.handle

That all said it's kind of my dream that  a manufacturer  come up with a lite rig with a different pedal motion than Hobie ala Nativr or Old Town and or Wildy and by lite I'm talking  55# max

But that doesn't seem to happening and honestly I missed paddling I felt I was sort of cheating

can always have a custom kayak made for ur self all it involves is a kayak sacrifice to make a  mold.  I’ve always wanted to make a carbon fiber kayak. And fill it partially with expanding foam to an extent that it’s not too heavy... foam does weigh a little.

My venture into the Hobie we world was a failure for me . But it was my doing not the boats .

When I originally demoed the used Revo 13 I wasn't excited about its weight but with a Rhino lift system manageable and with the loss of some strength on my right using the drive had me fired up and was doable since paddling wasn't as efficient as I liked

My injury is L4-L5-S1 and has affected my right side .

The problem came after use my lower back and right side would get aggravated  over time and took longer to settle each trip, So I would constantly adjust seat height , peddle distance  to no avail .

It would be OK but as my lower back would get aggravated lifting it when not using the lift wasn't fun .

I got so frustrated I sold off damn near all my kayak gear .... Over time obviously I'm going at it with the Eddyline at 50# I have to paddle again and be realistic and diligent about when , where , who  and conditions I can.handle

That all said it's kind of my dream that  a manufacturer  come up with a lite rig with a different pedal motion than Hobie ala Nativr or Old Town and or Wildy and by lite I'm talking  55# max

But that doesn't seem to happening and honestly I missed paddling I felt I was sort of cheating

Native and Hurricane have pretty light ones.

I predict Hobie will introduce a rotary prop rather than flipper drive model soon. SO much more efficient and functional.

Is that true?  I was under the impression the mirage was more efficient.  The dealer told me it was 5 to 1 more efficient.  Of course he wanted my money so take it with a grain of salt.  The one upside I see for the Hobie though is when you stop peddling the mirage will cut through water with less resistance than a stopped prop.  At least I think so.  Right?

I don't think that 5:1 is anywhere near true.  Hobie fins have more torque, but that does not equate to actual through the water efficiency per the amount of energy you are putting out through your legs.  Kayak hull design is first and foremost in helping efficiency.  Plenty of guys have switched to prop drives and they love them for just about everything except being in really weedy areas.  Plus for my knees, pedaling in a circular motion is better than the hobie motion.  But everyone is different, so the only way to know for yourself is to try them.

and all of us in the area probably know the shop that fed you the line on the Hobie...  Unfortunately, there are some shops out there that don't care as much for the customer as they do in extracting as much out of your pocket as they can...   

Native and Hurricane have pretty light ones.

62lbs is the lightest we have. Definitely a nice option weight wise on the Slayer Propel 10 and the Slayer 12 LT Propel but getting below 60 will be a struggle that's for sure.  I mean very few paddle only kayaks get below 60lbs as it is.

Native and Hurricane have pretty light ones.

62lbs is the lightest we have. Definitely a nice option weight wise on the Slayer Propel 10 and the Slayer 12 LT Propel but getting below 60 will be a struggle that's for sure.  I mean very few paddle only kayaks get below 60lbs as it is.

Any chance they would make an LT version of the manta ray propel? I think it’s sexiest kayak Hull wise

The only solution is to have multiple boats!

I think a Hobie Outback/Revo for salt and a Native Titan 10.5 or 12 for freshwater/bass would be perfect. I just gotta win the lottery...

The problem is the weight of anything rotomold. When we spend how many thousands of dollars for a rotomolded Pro angler? Some tell me why a PA could not be made of carbon fiber? That would chop about 1/4-1/3 of the kayaks weight.

Native and Hurricane have pretty light ones.

62lbs is the lightest we have. Definitely a nice option weight wise on the Slayer Propel 10 and the Slayer 12 LT Propel but getting below 60 will be a struggle that's for sure.  I mean very few paddle only kayaks get below 60lbs as it is.

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Some tell me why a PA could not be made of carbon fiber?

It can.......but no ones gonna buy a $12,000 peddle driven kayak. 



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The problem is the weight of anything rotomold. When we spend how many thousands of dollars for a rotomolded Pro angler? Some tell me why a PA could not be made of carbon fiber? That would chop about 1/4-1/3 of the kayaks weight.

Native and Hurricane have pretty light ones.

62lbs is the lightest we have. Definitely a nice option weight wise on the Slayer Propel 10 and the Slayer 12 LT Propel but getting below 60 will be a struggle that's for sure.  I mean very few paddle only kayaks get below 60lbs as it is.

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The Hurricane/Native LT is thermoformed. It could be lighter, but Hurricane did not believe that the thermoform construction would be strong enough to hold up to the strain of the pedal drive system, so they created a drop in thermoformed pod to help strengthen the whole system.  Overall the kayak is excellent, although it does have its minor faults.  I do have one that people are able to try out.  However after rigging and all that it only ends up being about a 10lb savings over something like the Manta Ray Propel, which is the other one I have and about 72lbs.

Any chance they would make an LT version of the manta ray propel? I think it’s sexiest kayak Hull wise

I highly doubt it but would wish for something more like the Slayer 13 with a bit sharper bow entry.  The 13 is great but at 85lbs is a bit too heavy for me to deal with.  At this time and the cost of developing a mold I don't think they'll be doing it.  People overall don't seem to mind the weight of these pedal drives and the lighter stuff isn't a big seller right now. If we could prove that they would be able to sell them yeah, but the sales are totally opposite that and they gotta make money.

Some tell me why a PA could not be made of carbon fiber?

It can.......but no ones gonna buy a $12,000 peddle driven kayak. 

There in lies the problem, why would it cost $12,000. If Stealth can make a boat for the US at say $2600, Eddyline is nowhere near that price, and still a lot less weight that the porkers coming out nowadays.

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