Hawiian Kage Spear Gaff

Post deleated due to uncertainty from CDFW.
Sorry to waste the space

I would love one but I would have to be targeting pachali to legally carry it any where.  Correct me if I'm wrong...

According to Eureka CDFW office,
As long as it is used as a Gaff for assisting in landing legal Saltwater fish, it is totally legal to use.
 

Very nice and tempting 

Called Eureka CDFW office to ask if Kage is legal in Ca. Ocean Waters
Eureka CDFW office told me that it is ok to use as gaff ...
Regulation book says yes, and no ……
Called back to Eureka office and asked to speak to a warden.
Warden said it is OK for use on Pacific Halibut,
BUT,
He has to research to find out if it can be used for other species ……

I will update with Response …

Please Stand By.

According to Eureka CDFW office,
As long as it is used as a Gaff for assisting in landing legal Saltwater fish, it is totally legal to use.
 

It appears that my work here is done.

Called Eureka CDFW office to ask if Kage is legal in Ca. Ocean Waters
Eureka CDFW office told me that it is ok to use as gaff ...
Regulation book says yes, and no ……
Called back to Eureka office and asked to speak to a warden.
Warden said it is OK for use on Pacific Halibut,
BUT,
He has to research to find out if it can be used for other species ……

I will update with Response …

Please Stand By.

Nice...good to know. 

How exactly does a kage work? Is it meant to only stun the pac hali or for a kill shot? Where exactly are you suppose to aim and will one shot work?

Called Eureka CDFW office to ask if Kage is legal in Ca. Ocean Waters
Eureka CDFW office told me that it is ok to use as gaff ...
Regulation book says yes, and no ……
Called back to Eureka office and asked to speak to a warden.
Warden said it is OK for use on Pacific Halibut,
BUT,
He has to research to find out if it can be used for other species ……

I will update with Response …

Please Stand By.

New wardens, maybe not.

Carrie Wilson had a column where she specifically said illegal.

A: The kage would not be considered a gaff and thus not be legal to use as a gaff from a kayak. A gaff is defined as “… any hook with or without a handle used to assist in landing fish or to take fish in such a manner that the fish does not take the hook voluntarily in its mouth” (California Code of Regulations Title 14, section 28.65(d)).

A kage would be considered spearfishing gear and subject to the diving and spearfishing regulations (CCR Title 14, section 28.90). Under these regulations, you would be required to be floating or swimming in the water to use this device to take fin fish, other than those listed in this section.

It can also be considered a spear or harpoon, in which case (under CCR Title 14, section 28.95) if you were not in the water but in a kayak, boat or on the shoreline, it can only be used to take skates, rays and sharks (except white sharks). And, the device can’t even be possessed on a boat when swordfish or marlin have been taken.

I still think she is wrong.

How exactly does a kage work? Is it meant to only stun the pac hali or for a kill shot? Where exactly are you suppose to aim and will one shot work?

Hawaiian style is to kill shot then use gaffhook to hoist up at least on some tuna kayak vids I've seen.

How exactly does a kage work? Is it meant to only stun the pac hali or for a kill shot? Where exactly are you suppose to aim and will one shot work?

Hit them just under the top of the arch in the lateral line on the top side, just behind the head.  A kage does a surprisingly good job of quieting big powerful fish.  For a pac hali though, I have gone to a flying gaff attached to an A1 buoy.  I still haven't got to test it.  Maybe someday soon.

Warden Called back,
It is stated that a gaff has a hook, and therefore = Not Gaff = Illegal
But,
It is not thrown and never leaves hand + Only used to assist in landing fish, therefore = Gaff ......
Regulations classify it as a gaff, but also make it a spear by design
So,
It will be based on individual Wardens descretion and interpritation of the regulations. 
My take is ..... No Go.

So,
It will be based on individual Wardens descretion and interpritation of the regulations. 

That is quite a way to run a criminal justice system.

For me personally, I use one but only in Humboldt and I'm ready to fight a ticket for it.  If you don't want to have to fight a ticket for it, you probably want to steer clear. 

Which warden did you talk to?  I'd like to talk to them again.  I've only been at this for 5 years now.  There's plenty of discussion in threads here is you use the search function that lays out the arguments.

Any pictures of your flying gaff?

Any pictures of your flying gaff?