NorCal Kayak Anglers
General => Fish Talk => Fish ID sub-forum => Topic started by: B0B on August 09, 2016, 05:25:53 PM
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Pulled up two of these yesterday from the kelp in front of SC lighthouse. Im sure it is a color variant of cabezon, threw it back since it was undersized anyways. It was super red with a purple base color where the white undersides are. Anyone ever get anything like this? Pretty dope, and actually looks like plastic/glass.
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When I read the title I thought to myself cabbies come in all colors depending on where they're hanging and what they're eating,
BUT, I've never seen anything like that, very cool looking fish.
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I'm no expert but I know there is a red kelp greenling.it could be one of those
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Really pretty though.
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I have seen red cabbies. Taste just as good as the other colors.
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all easily explained. Fukushima power plant disaster and its still safe to eat. cut both sides gills and bleed well apostrophe not just one side. pregnant women are advised not to consume :smt001
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They must be redhot cabbies to go along with your name :smt005 :smt005
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Where did you catch it, Bob?
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Cabezon are generally 2 colors: either green or red. I forget the #s but it's like 90% of redish cabs are male and 70% of greenish cabs are female. They aren't normally so red though. Those are pretty rare and we call em devil cabs. I've seen about 6 over the years but always near Carmel. Never bigger than ~16" long. That's the first (and second haha) I've seen from SC. I think it might be a life phase that some males go through as they grow up. I always wanted to put one in an aquarium because they're beautiful fish.
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That is really cool. Thanks for the pictures.
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I like the white ones. Here's one. (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160810/267dfb63e4d4088d6f7773abb107d79b.jpg)
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I seen a pic years ago someone down south caught one. I an with Pat, I would like to take a ton of pics and measurements and get a replica made with a cool base
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Looks more like the kelp greenling. Have you seen the color of the water in SC the past couple of weeks. Theres been a red tint to it.
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The way the mouth/head shape and size looks, I believe it is a rock greenling - Hexagrammos lagocephalus, not a Cabezon.
Was it smooth skinned or were there any scales?
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Ive caught my fair share of cabbies. And well, a few greenling. Im leaning a lot towards cabbie. All the features point to it being a cabbie for many reasons as ive seen the whole thing up close. Someone suggested irish lord, but i dont agree either.
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Looks more like the kelp greenling. Have you seen the color of the water in SC the past couple of weeks. Theres been a red tint to it.
Mouth looks too small to be a cabbie and is somewhat pointed like a greenling.
VERY pretty fish nonetheless.
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http://doty.norcalkayakanglers.com/catches/1283
Here is a rock greenling. No way.
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I'm no expert for sure, but I have caught a million greenling. I do not believe that to be one. Greenlings have much smaller mouths and are much more slender, and those pec fins look to be too large.
Looks like a badass bright red cab to me.
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I have a hard time seeing an abalone going into a mouth this small. And I've seen abs come out of 16'' cabs before.
I am definitely no expert on cabbies, or greenlings, but it seems to me the mouth looks like that of a greenling more so than a cab.
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Still too big a mouth and head IMO. And whats up with the sculpin like horn in the first pic?
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That's a red Cabezon ! :smt006
-Kiel
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It's a canary
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That's a nice Fukushima red cabezon. I've only seen one before, at the cleaning table at shelter cove.
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Cabezon are generally 2 colors: either green or red. I forget the #s but it's like 90% of redish cabs are male and 70% of greenish cabs are female. They aren't normally so red though. Those are pretty rare and we call em devil cabs. I've seen about 6 over the years but always near Carmel. Never bigger than ~16" long. That's the first (and second haha) I've seen from SC. I think it might be a life phase that some males go through as they grow up. I always wanted to put one in an aquarium because they're beautiful fish.
+1. Cool cabs! Can't say I've ever caught any with such a bright red coloration. Like PK said, the majority of the red-form cabezon are males.
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I have a hard time seeing an abalone going into a mouth this small. And I've seen abs come out of 16'' cabs before.
I am definitely no expert on cabbies, or greenlings, but it seems to me the mouth looks like that of a greenling more so than a cab.
100% cabbie.
Nice one dude!!
I love the variety of colors on those guys!!
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Sincerely,
Jim
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I hope I catch one that color someday. Soooo pretty. And yummy toooooo...
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I'd have to vote for rock greenling.
Very cool fish regardless...nice catch.
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http://doty.norcalkayakanglers.com/catches/1283
Here is a rock greenling. No way.
+1.
The oversized fleshy pec fins, mouth, and cirrus on snout and above eyes all scream cabbie...like this...CABBIE!!!!
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Sincerely,
Jim
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So is it a color phase cabby, or a greenling? I see totes view on the underside pic of the mouth profile, cabbies usually have a mouth like a catfish, rounded. But greenling have more of a pointed head and cabbies have a dome. I am leaning towards cabby myself, but what are the odds they both are incorrect? Ocean species are fascinating!
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So is it a color phase cabby, or a greenling? I see totes view on the underside pic of the mouth profile, cabbies usually have a mouth like a catfish, rounded. But greenling have more of a pointed head and cabbies have a dome. I am leaning towards cabby myself, but what are the odds they both are incorrect? Ocean species are fascinating!
I would bet one million dollars (in my best Austin Powers voice) that it is a cabby....
Don't make me text Amadeo to get him to say the same...I usually only bug him for DOTY fish ID questions that are tricky... :smt002 :smt005 :smt044
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Sincerely,
Jim
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This is an important one to get right. That is legal size for a greenling but short for a cab. If you got caught retaining it you would face an expensive ticket. Because that is 1000% a cabezon.
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In my experience Greenling mouths don't get much larger than a ping pong ball at most. This is why I believe that I don't catch many of them off the kayak due to using larger gear.
Throw out a size 1 hook and a strip of squid off the rocks up here and you'll be up to your ears in greenling, rock and kelp. I love the different color schemes they can have.
It definitely is important to be able to identify the two out on the water. The two species are really quite different.
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calling BS! (bsteves) :smt044
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Boom.
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Amadeo literally wrote the book on fish ID.
http://studio-abachar.myshopify.com/products/pacific-northwest-fish-id-guide
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Sincerely,
Jim
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Awesome fish none the less. Cabby. No es greenling.
But....would you kill it? I personally would not, like I said, I would get a replica, let it go. No hard feelings or judgement if you keep it. If it is genetic, be kind of neat to see more, but nature would cull them if it was a defective trait. Isn't red the last color in the spectrum to disappear? Maybe they aren't hiding as well as they think they are, and reds get eaten? Areas with low ling pop lets them get a little bigger? Wild ass guess carried to second decimal.
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I cant tell you its a cabby 100%. Perhaps 98%. But i can tell you, by actually holding it and looking at it for a while, that it is 100% not a greenling.
The dorsal is much thicker and the spines are different lengths, tapering. Greenlngs have thinner more even dorsal fin. Head size in proportion to body points to cabbie. Photo shows small mouth, but i can assure you its a pretty big mouth, not lingcod big, but same proportion as cabbies ive caught in the past. Also read somewhere that the growth on its head by the nostrils and above its eyes also point to cabbie.
I caught 2 of them that day, so im thinning its a variant or color morph natives to that particular hole, either that or, whatever its eating turns them red. Or..... fukushima...
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Awesome fish none the less. Cabby. No es greenling.
But....would you kill it? I personally would not, like I said, I would get a replica, let it go. No hard feelings or judgement if you keep it. If it is genetic, be kind of neat to see more, but nature would cull them if it was a defective trait. Isn't red the last color in the spectrum to disappear? Maybe they aren't hiding as well as they think they are, and reds get eaten? Areas with low ling pop lets them get a little bigger? Wild ass guess carried to second decimal.
When I took a submarine tour in Hawaii red was the first color to disappear, at about 80'.
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More devil cab info...Tim's the master at catching them, I think he's gotten a few more since then too? http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=31513.0
This is a rock greenling.
(http://i449.photobucket.com/albums/qq217/Sin_Coast/Shore%20Rockfishing/Photo0045.jpg) (http://s449.photobucket.com/user/Sin_Coast/media/Shore%20Rockfishing/Photo0045.jpg.html)
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Awesome fish none the less. Cabby. No es greenling.
But....would you kill it? I personally would not, like I said, I would get a replica, let it go. No hard feelings or judgement if you keep it. If it is genetic, be kind of neat to see more, but nature would cull them if it was a defective trait. Isn't red the last color in the spectrum to disappear? Maybe they aren't hiding as well as they think they are, and reds get eaten? Areas with low ling pop lets them get a little bigger? Wild ass guess carried to second decimal.
When I took a submarine tour in Hawaii red was the first color to disappear, at about 80'.
Makes sense I got it back asswards!
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heard back from my neighbor..the biologist said 100% Cabby
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heard back from my neighbor..the biologist said 100% Cabby
Yea i was pretty convinced it was a cabby.
Fished the same spot again last saturday for the derby but didn't get any more of them. Wouldve taken better pics.
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calling BS! (bsteves) :smt044
bsteves also confirmed...cabby.......I knew it all along. :smt044 :smt011 :smt011 :smt044
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heard back from my neighbor..the biologist said 100% Cabby
I saved a lot of money on schooling with no degree but dive enough for instant positive ID........never doubted it was a cabbie.
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never doubted it was a cabbie.
X 100
Yeah you guys should have just trusted DG...and me...and crash...and Amadeo...
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Sincerely,
Jim
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Cabbie for sure. Here is one that was caught in Carmel Bay on one of the rockfish survey trips.
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The amount of people here who couldn't immediately tell that was a cabby is kind of unnerving.
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Haha...Sorry for the late response...
Yes, 100% Cabezon.
Easiest clue is the big head, thick body, & little flaps (cirrus) over the on the eyes and nose.
The color can different all the time.
Greenlings have smaller head, mouth & compressed body.
Also, Greenlings family; Hexagrammidae has multiple lateral lines.
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The amount of people here who couldn't immediately tell that was a cabby is kind of unnerving.
Goal achieved. :smt044 :smt044 :smt044
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I never said it wasn't Cabby ...all I did was show photos for comparison , why all the "I told you so "crap ..as far asking someone in the field why not ,that's what they're there for .
Some will learn by using the thread , some by catching one ,some will make mistakes , some won't .
The callousness is a shame ,OG's have an opportunity to teach ;instead choosing to criticize :smt012
Nobody was born with this knowledge gotta learn somewhere .
Ok have at it ...
Not at all criticizing. I have sent pictures to specialists in the field who you would think would instantly know all the species located off our coast. I was trying to learn more about the rock fish off our coast. I usually get well, it looks like or could be. But rarely they will positively ID a species.
It's all good info and some will learn from these types of posts. All I was trying to say was the more you catch or shoot the easier species Identification becomes.
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I never said it wasn't Cabby ...all I did was show photos for comparison , why all the "I told you so "crap ..as far asking someone in the field why not ,that's what they're there for .
Some will learn by using the thread , some by catching one ,some will make mistakes , some won't .
The callousness is a shame ,OG's have an opportunity to teach ;instead choosing to criticize :smt012
Nobody was born with this knowledge gotta learn somewhere .
Ok have at it ...
Man you went and asked around and googled images and did a bunch of homework. Ain't nobody criticizing that.
I've told the story before of a DFW fish counter mistaking a gopher for a copper at shelter cove. Guy still took a bunch of pictures fs and got it right though. That's all anyone can ask or expect really.
It's just more important here to get it right because the cabbie is probably short and we don't want folks getting tickets.
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I never said it wasn't Cabby ...all I did was show photos for comparison , why all the "I told you so "crap ..as far asking someone in the field why not ,that's what they're there for .
Some will learn by using the thread , some by catching one ,some will make mistakes , some won't .
The callousness is a shame ,OG's have an opportunity to teach ;instead choosing to criticize :smt012
Nobody was born with this knowledge gotta learn somewhere .
Ok have at it ...
Vic,
I'm sorry if the way I posted came off as callous or criticizing...I was just kidding around and thought my posts of the identifying characteristics of a cabbie, the picture I posted of the DFW chart showing cabbies vs greenling, and texting Amadeo and posting his response were a pretty good attempt at teaching combined with getting the opinion of a well known expert in the field of Fish ID...
For the past five years I have had to verify every single fish entered as cabbie or greenling in DOTY (and did a few years for AOTY as well), and this time spent looking at pics of these fish (in addition to countless hours looking at them underwater in all different shapes/sizes/color variations) made this one a no brainer for me and I really was just trying to make sure people got it and didn't make it harder than it had to be by thinking about hybrids or confusing the ID etc...
Anyway, I apologize again if my posts came off as harsh...was just kidding around.
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Sincerely,
Jim
http://doty.norcalkayakanglers.com/catches/1283
Here is a rock greenling. No way.
+1.
The oversized fleshy pec fins, mouth, and cirrus on snout and above eyes all scream cabbie...like this...CABBIE!!!!
:smt002 :smt005 :smt044 :smt005 :smt044
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Sincerely,
Jim
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Another great way to tell cabbies vs. greenling OTW if there is ever any doubt is that cabbies have no scales...greenlings have very small and rough scales...if you touch it and it's rough its not a cabbie...if you touch it and it is smooth it's not a greenling.
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Sincerely,
Jim