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Topic: Check this hog from Lake Shasta is it a big brown or a salmon?  (Read 1640 times)

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The terms "wild" and "native" get swapped around a lot, but they don't mean the same thing.
Reminds me of a discussion from a Restoration Ecology lecture during my college days. Very good to make the distinction though, as is the point that just because habitat is managed for a species, it doesn't automatically mean that the species is "native." See Striped Bass for another perfect example.

About the fish though, wow, what a pig ! The belly fins and the orientation of the black spots makes me think its a massive Brown.  Its not, but it reminds me of one of the triploid trout due to its girth and features. Amazing fish though.
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The terms "wild" and "native" get swapped around a lot, but they don't mean the same thing. "Native" fish are the ones that have been around for thousands of years, the ones that evolved here without human intervention.  Rainbow trout, Sacramento pikeminnow, and Sacramento perch are good examples of fish that are "native" to California.

"Wild" describes a species that is self-sustaining in the wild.  However, this can also include fish that were introduced by humans into an environment that originally never saw the species.  Brown trout were introduced into the US from Europe back in the 1800s, so no matter how one slices it, there's no such thing as a "native brown trout" in North America.  Most fish in CA are "wild" but aren't "native" here, such as all the black basses, brown+brook trout, carp, catfish, etc.

In fisheries and wildlife management, it is very important to distinguish between these terms.  In the USFS, we spend a helluva lot more time, effort, and money on restoring/enhancing habitat for "native" species.  We also manage habitat for "desirable non-natives" such as wild brown trout, but they're essentially towards the bottom of the barrel in terms of priorities (and funding).

Well put Chris, thanks for the info...
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The terms "wild" and "native" get swapped around a lot, but they don't mean the same thing. "Native" fish are the ones that have been around for thousands of years, the ones that evolved here without human intervention.  Rainbow trout, Sacramento pikeminnow, and Sacramento perch are good examples of fish that are "native" to California.

"Wild" describes a species that is self-sustaining in the wild.  However, this can also include fish that were introduced by humans into an environment that originally never saw the species.  Brown trout were introduced into the US from Europe back in the 1800s, so no matter how one slices it, there's no such thing as a "native brown trout" in North America.  Most fish in CA are "wild" but aren't "native" here, such as all the black basses, brown+brook trout, carp, catfish, etc.

In fisheries and wildlife management, it is very important to distinguish between these terms.  In the USFS, we spend a helluva lot more time, effort, and money on restoring/enhancing habitat for "native" species.  We also manage habitat for "desirable non-natives" such as wild brown trout, but they're essentially towards the bottom of the barrel in terms of priorities (and funding).

Well put Chris

+1.

That is pretty much the way I see it too but had never really heard it discussed.  Glad to know that I'm not that far off base.  :smt044



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I cringe every time I hear "native brown", but like "horns" on deer I just keep going and realize the person is either ignorant of the truth or doesn't care about the details of language and meanings.
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There is absolutely no way that's a 21 lb fish.

Nice catch, regardless.


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Kinda what I thought.  Maybe 15?


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  21lbs is the official FishSniffer weight! :smt044
I see a fish that size, I'm thinking "Steaks".......


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so 15# it was  :smt003


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Agreed. Doubtful that brown went 21lbs...IF it truly was 28 inches long. I'm basing that on the reported length; not the picture, because pics can be deceiving. Had they stated it was 32" long or 34" long, then ok I'd believe 21lbs.

It is similar size & shape as Noaoki's fatty native/wild rainbow last year...which was 10lbs?
http://aoty.norcalkayakanglers.com/catches/2932

21lbs and only 28 inches long? Must've been a girthy gal.

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If that's 21lbs, then I have a 12" dong.
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