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General => Fish Talk => Fish ID sub-forum => Topic started by: mooch on July 06, 2009, 09:09:22 PM

Title: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: mooch on July 06, 2009, 09:09:22 PM
(top) Sardine

(bottom) mackerel
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: Sailfish on July 06, 2009, 09:21:15 PM
Jack Smelt

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u140/sailfish_psd_2007/JackSmelt.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: Sailfish on July 06, 2009, 09:31:23 PM
Herring's sizes (large, medium, small)
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u140/sailfish_psd_2007/Herrings.jpg)

Lots of Herrings  :smt007
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u140/sailfish_psd_2007/Baitball_3.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: bwodun on July 06, 2009, 09:40:18 PM
nice bait ball, did tjat site say what was on the other end of the line? cameron
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: Sailfish on July 06, 2009, 09:47:21 PM
nice bait ball, did tjat site say what was on the other end of the line? cameron

As I recalled they were chased by Sailfish's
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u140/sailfish_psd_2007/Baitball_2.jpg)

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u140/sailfish_psd_2007/Baitball.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: bwodun on July 06, 2009, 09:50:58 PM
how appropriate
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: Sailfish on July 06, 2009, 10:49:46 PM
Shiner
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u140/sailfish_psd_2007/Shiner.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: obkook on July 07, 2009, 07:51:26 AM
Jack Smelt

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u140/sailfish_psd_2007/JackSmelt.jpg)

That Jacksmelt seems s little pale to me and doesn't have the yellow blush at it's gil cover - or am I thinking of something else? Was it out of the water for awhile before the pic was taken? Here's another one of a js.
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: Dory on July 07, 2009, 08:00:47 AM
Good info on the pics guys. Thanks for taking the time.
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: EWB on July 07, 2009, 09:32:49 AM
With all the baitfish around SC/ I have ben filling my 'well' and brining them for future use. I have been using the following recipe (minus the anise oil) and it seems to work well. The bluing is a bit hard to find but my local safeway had it.

http://www.salmonuniversity.com/ol_brining_herring.html
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: sharky on July 07, 2009, 09:44:13 AM
Kirk (monkeyface) made this up over the past few years. Side project, DFG didnt give him a cent to do it, he just did it for all of us and the fish.....
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: finaegelin on July 07, 2009, 09:51:03 AM
Wow, nice chart, Sharky. I'll print it out and fold it into my fish ID book. And thanks for starting this, Mooch.
Andy
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: Sailfish on July 07, 2009, 09:51:59 AM
Kirk (monkeyface) made this up over the past few years. Side project, DFG didnt give him a cent to do it, he just did it for all of us and the fish.....

Thanks Sharky and Kirk for this nice bait chart!  It's nicely done.
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: sharky on July 07, 2009, 09:54:18 AM
Jack Smelt

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u140/sailfish_psd_2007/JackSmelt.jpg)

That Jacksmelt seems s little pale to me and doesn't have the yellow blush at it's gil cover - or am I thinking of something else? Was it out of the water for awhile before the pic was taken? Here's another one of a js.
obkook.... i believe you are right, i think that it a topsmelt, and the one you showed was a jacksmelt
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: sharky on July 07, 2009, 09:57:39 AM
BTW that was not the final version. DFG gave him no thanks and actually made him make changes before they would send it to print. the final version should be in print soon.....
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: Sailfish on July 07, 2009, 09:59:50 AM
Thanks for the correction of the topsmelt.  I'm learning something new from the chart already!  :smt001
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: bmb on July 07, 2009, 10:01:56 AM
as always, kirk is the man
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: sharky on July 07, 2009, 10:27:20 AM
Ok, just talked to kirk. Hes doing 4 hrs of paperwork without pay, catching up from the weekend mayhem. dedicated! the final version is up on DFG site. He asked me to post and get it out there to all of us. When you see him, pls give him props!!
its a pdf. see the attachment below.




Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: sharky on July 07, 2009, 10:30:45 AM
Sailfish, not many people distiguish btwn toppies and jackies, its kinda hard. I wouldnt know the diff if i didnt hang out with kirk a bunch................. :smt001
and still its just my guess, you can never be sure without counting tiny scales and microscopic teeth  :smt004
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: Sailfish on July 07, 2009, 10:42:35 AM
Ok, just talked to kirk. Hes doing 4 hrs of paperwork without pay, catching up from the weekend mayhem. dedicated! the final version is up on DFG site. He asked me to post and get it out there to all of us. When you see him, pls give him props!!
its a pdf

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/pdfs/marinebaitid.pdf (http://www.dfg.ca.gov/marine/pdfs/marinebaitid.pdf)


Thanks again for the final version.  The attachment pdf is working but the link is not!
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: AlsHobieOutback on July 07, 2009, 10:54:53 AM
Awesome thread guys!!!    :smt006
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: polepole on July 07, 2009, 11:20:18 AM
I get quite a few lizardfish on my sabiki.  They work well as bait.

-Allen

(http://www.dnr.sc.gov/ccd/species/images/lizardfish%201.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: porky (bp) on July 07, 2009, 11:28:09 AM
Wow, ive never seen a lizard fish, what a trip!
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: polepole on July 07, 2009, 11:36:20 AM
Wow, ive never seen a lizard fish, what a trip!

porky, I see quite a few of them out of Santa Cruz, especially when working the sabiki deeper towards the bottom.  Sometimes they suspend in schools too ... at times I've loaded up a sabiki with them mid-water.

-Allen
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: porky (bp) on July 07, 2009, 11:53:14 AM
Really, man i had no idea, I love learning about new fish in our area.

Do they get bigger? And there good for bait huh?

How deep are u catching those, cool looking fish!
Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: polepole on July 07, 2009, 12:15:51 PM
Really, man i had no idea, I love learning about new fish in our area.

Do they get bigger? And there good for bait huh?

How deep are u catching those, cool looking fish!
Thanks for sharing!

I've not seen them bigger than handsized.  I'd anything you catch on the sabiki would be good live bait.  I'm not fishing more than 60' deep out of SC.  Mostly find them on bottom, but sometimes suspended.

-Allen
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: porky (bp) on July 07, 2009, 01:12:52 PM
Interesting, thanks for the cool info Allen!
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: EWB on July 07, 2009, 01:32:39 PM
we made bait last weekend and wondered what one was...Looks like it was a Jack Mack. That 2nd dorsal (or adipose) had us stumped.
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: Dory on July 07, 2009, 04:12:04 PM
Wow, nice chart, Sharky. I'll print it out and fold it into my fish ID book. And thanks for starting this, Mooch.
Andy


Same here. Great resource for reference. Thanks sharky and Kirk.
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: calbear on July 07, 2009, 07:56:26 PM
I get quite a few lizardfish on my sabiki.  They work well as bait.

-Allen

(http://www.dnr.sc.gov/ccd/species/images/lizardfish%201.jpg)
I catch those almost every time I fish for sand dabs. They make great bait and keep/stay alive fairly well
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: piski on July 07, 2009, 10:14:20 PM
Great thread & huge props to Kirk monkeyface for doing the chart  :smt001  AND putting up with DFG for sending back a freebie for revisions.  :smt012
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: monkeyface on July 08, 2009, 08:17:50 AM
Thanks for the props on the baitfish guide doods. Just sent a long post with links and attachments that for some reason has disappeared.  Will try again...

--Monkeyface
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: bsteves on July 09, 2009, 09:18:59 AM
Moderator's note:

I moved Monkeyface's (Kirk's) baitfish ID to it's own sticky topic on the main FishTalk board.  I thought it deserved not to be buried three pages into this post.

Brian
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: mooch on July 17, 2009, 11:33:01 AM
red band minnow from lake Tahoe....
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: mooch on July 17, 2009, 11:36:49 AM
Can't identify these other 2 minnows - also caught in Tahoe....anyone care to research?


Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: Tui Chub on July 17, 2009, 12:39:01 PM
The top one is a speckled dace, the bottom is a Lahontan redside, the same as the red band minnow in the previous post but without the redband.  Both minnows are native to Lake Tahoe.
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: mooch on July 17, 2009, 07:53:24 PM
The top one is a speckled dace, the bottom is a Lahontan redside, the same as the red band minnow in the previous post but without the redband.  Both minnows are native to Lake Tahoe.

Thanks for that info  :smt023
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: mtrouter on July 23, 2009, 02:22:19 PM
very helpfull
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: mooch on July 23, 2009, 08:17:12 PM
top pic: smelt

bottom pic: perch
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: Bungle on July 24, 2009, 09:47:37 AM
Shiner
(http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i242/bunglephotos/Kayakfishing/IMGP0260.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: sharky on July 26, 2009, 10:38:23 AM
Quote
top pic: smelt

bottom pic: perch
spotfin surfpearch....be careful not to treat these as shiners wrt regs. there have been quite a number of tickets written of late, where fisherpeople have thought these were shiners
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: mooch on August 25, 2009, 01:57:26 AM
What type of Sardine? Can anyone confirm this???

Is it a Pacific Sardine???
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: Shicken on August 25, 2009, 02:23:34 AM
What type of Sardine? Can anyone confirm this???

Is it a Pacific Sardine???


Jack Mackerel
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: mooch on August 25, 2009, 09:32:14 AM
What type of Sardine? Can anyone confirm this???

Is it a Pacific Sardine???


Jack Mackerel

Thanks Marv!
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: mooch on September 06, 2010, 10:57:36 AM
Buffalo Sculpin

Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: sharky on September 06, 2010, 04:53:52 PM
Mooch, i believe thats a Buffalo Sculpin....the Staghorn is the common Bullhead...
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: polepole on September 06, 2010, 05:34:26 PM
Mooch, i believe thats a Buffalo Sculpin....the Staghorn is the common Bullhead...

Yup, I was thinking the same thing.

-Allen
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: mooch on September 06, 2010, 07:13:04 PM
Thanks for the correction - I will update it.
Title: Re: Photo ID of baitfish
Post by: mooch on October 20, 2010, 07:21:30 PM
anchovy