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General => Fish Talk => Topic started by: Hat Trick on May 05, 2006, 11:40:32 AM

Title: canary vs copper vs vermillion vs cowcod
Post by: Hat Trick on May 05, 2006, 11:40:32 AM
could you review, canary vs copper vs vermillion vs cowcod.
Title: Re: canary vs copper vs vermillion vs cowcod
Post by: bsteves on May 05, 2006, 12:58:20 PM
Let's see, much of fish identification for me is gestalt (i.e. I know it when I see it.)  That of course if very unhelpful to everyone else...

To start out with, let me link you to one of the best resources for fish info on the web... http://www.fishbase.org ... thanks to cheap labor in the Phillipines this site has managed to gather great information of just about every species of fish known to man.

So first some photos and links...

Canary Rockfish (Sebastes pinniger)
(http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=81&g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=3595&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=37d21f60a153d79afcdc0fa810ecafa9)
Photo Joel ("Mooch").
More information from Fishbase ...
http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=3989

Identification Tips: 

 


Copper Rockfish (Sebastes caurinus)
(http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=81&g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=2485&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=37d21f60a153d79afcdc0fa810ecafa9)
Photo by Brian Steves
More info from Fishbase...
http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=3957

Identification Tips: 
 



Vermilion Rockfish (Sebastes miniatus)
(http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?option=com_gallery2&Itemid=81&g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=2470&g2_serialNumber=2&g2_GALLERYSID=37d21f60a153d79afcdc0fa810ecafa9)
Photo by Brian Steves
More info from Fishbase...
http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=3982

Identification Tips: 



Cowcod (Sebastes levis)
(http://db.id.ucsb.edu/quicktime/LLDBGrafix/Seb.levis.JPG)
Photo by Dr. Miton Love
More info from Fishbase..
http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/SpeciesSummary.php?id=3976

And just for fun, check out Dr. Milton Love's Cowcod blog...
http://cowcod.livejournal.com

Identification Tips: 





In summary, Cowcods are rare and probably the easiest to id based on their distinctive doral fin rays.   
Coppers are hard to describe because they vary, but they don't look that much like any of the species that will get you in trouble for keeping so don't worry too much about them.
Vermilions and Canarys are the most likely to give your trouble, but I'm pretty sure once you catch a canary you'll know the difference.


Brian



Title: Re: canary vs copper vs vermillion vs cowcod
Post by: jmairey on May 05, 2006, 01:05:51 PM

For canary and vermillion are not the shapes of the tail different enough to help with identification?
Title: Re: canary vs copper vs vermillion vs cowcod
Post by: bsteves on May 05, 2006, 01:17:53 PM
I would say that canaries have a slightly more indented tail than vermilions which have a fairly straight tail and this is certianly true of the DFG illustrations below.  However, I hadn't heard that feature being a key diagnostic.

Here are some illustrations from CA-DFG (they seem to have scanned them from Miller and Lea's book)

(http://www.dfg.ca.gov/MRD/mspc059.gif)

(http://www.dfg.ca.gov/MRD/mspc057.gif)
Title: Re: canary vs copper vs vermillion vs cowcod
Post by: ChuckE on May 05, 2006, 01:40:17 PM
I caught and released a big canary at Mill this week.  The smooth underside of the jaw was the most noticeable difference.