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Topic: Missing kayaker in Monterey ... all ends well  (Read 5160 times)

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jwsmith

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Sure I'd help.  
Have done.

It's self-understood that boaters will help boaters.
Self understood that climbers will help climbers.

"Going outside" for help, though....

If someone "goes outside" and asks me for help, of course --- just as the Coast Guard would --- I will help.

But my god, what I think of them may be quite another thing.

Classic "Sea Kayakers".....present a classic example:

Very close to 100% of all persons who own classic "Sea Kayaks" and who call themselves "Sea Kayakers".....cannot perform an eskimo roll.

Yet it is manifestly insane to put one's butt in the cockpit of a "decked kayak" WITHOUT affirmatively and quickly acquiring a totally reliable E-roll.

It offends me that these people SUBSTITUTE a VHF radio and the ability to call the Coast Guard....for personal ability and personal responsibility.

They are no bretheren of mine...
I really emphatically don't like them.

Judd


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So we agree that one should be self sufficient.  And if someone is in need of help, we'd both help.  But if I find myself in a situation that is beyond my ability to control or anticipate, I will ask for help.  And if someone is paddling with me and needs help, please ask for it.  I don't want to be in a situation where you don't ask for help soon enough, and I have to clean up the mess.

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It offends me that these people SUBSTITUTE a VHF radio and the ability to call the Coast Guard....for personal ability and personal responsibility.


So what is the point of having a VHF radio?


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The VHF is so that when a shark comes and bites the tail off your kayak, you can radio your buddies and tell them about the awesome self rescue you just pulled off.

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The experience of the US Coast Guard with kayaks has been negative.

The Coast Guard isn't going to carry any brief for us in establishing or retaining launch-points.

Judd


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those of you that know me know that i'm careful.  i require all crew members on board to wear pfd's.  these pfd's are equipped with a strobe, a 3-pack of flares, a cyalume light stick and a horn.  two of the 5 available pfd's have a waterproof vhf radio and a waterproof gps.  i wear the same pfd when i'm on the kayak.  

as far as social responsibility goes, i am personally in favor of anyone trying to get nominated for a darwin award as long as it doesn't cost anyone else a penny.  but an ambulance ride costs $1000.  who knows what a helicopter ride costs!  24 hours of ICU bed time costs $1500.  that's not counting nursing time, physician's services, pharmacy services and supplies.  if you do something stupid and wind up dead, i will send flowers.  if you do something stupid and wind up in an icu for three weeks, you will have nothing but my contempt, but i will still send flowers.  whether paid by an insurance company, or state tax payers, those costs are still passed down to the general public.  if i have to pay for someone's stupidity, i want some limits put on their conduct.  

did you read in the news 5-10 year ago about the kid that tried to "charm" a rattlesnake and kiss it on the head?  a vial of ratttlesnake antivenin costs $1000.  he needed 20 vials in the first 24 hours.  oh, and he had no insurance.


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Have you guys heard the story of the divers that were rescued that same day?  They left a doofus on the boat... it slipped anchor and he didn't realize it till about 5 miles later

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