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I finally connected with James Phillips, who made the decision to close the nearshore fishery. Interesting conversation. He was very open and forthright about the rationale and the way in which CDFW manages these fisheries. I encourage everyone who has a serious interest in learning about the way this all works to contact him.

He sent me a link to one of the documents that bears on this matter: https://www.pcouncil.org/documents/2022/11/h-4-a-supplemental-gmt-report-3.pdf/
It's only decipherable to those with some scientific background. Fortunately that includes me.
Unfortunately my initial read-through suggests there is some very bad science going into these decisions.  In this specific case, as I suspected, there appears to be little or no actual data specific to Quillbacks on post-release mortality, especially if using a descender. So the numbers used in their modeling are based on grouping all the demersal (bottom-dwelling) rockfish together - meaning the same numbers are applied to Quillbacks and Gophers. As I am sure most of you will agree, these two species are vastly different; Gophers almost never swim back down on their own, Quillbacks almost always do. So I fear there is bad science here that is leading to poor decisions.

There's more and it will take me some time to really dig into it. One other disturbing fact he related is that the entire Quillback population from Cape Mendocino to Pigeon Point is treated as one number. So regardless of what happened here in Mendocino, if the numbers from San Francisco look bad, we lose.

:smt031? ass/u/me... poor research methodology and/or inconclusive, nevertheless, poor decisions are made anyway or in an irrational manner for us fishers. This situation is not fun, but actually rather sad. And yes, I also have a degree in natural resources management... and $7.00 still get me a great beer at Wolf House Brewing Co like everyone else.

"I think I just want to go home now" - Forrest Gump....replaced with the words of Dr.Dave...I just want to go fishing now

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More woke based decisions, most likely based on a biased problem statement that led to a biased subjective study, maybe studies, which led to poor decisions. The ultimate decision was most likely already made awhile back and just took the right nudges to make it work. Unfortunately, this happens more than most of us want to admit. Research is now rarely objectively conducted in both the hard and soft science fields. Let’s not be naïve.  :smt075 : :confused2:

Clarification: First and foremost my use of the term "woke" was in a much larger context (more than the common understood definition found in social media searches. That is where they want to keep you). There is clearly a "woke" ideology found in environmental issues. Let me make myself clear that I am in no way of speaking about "woke" in a social justice context. Period. No whistles no parties. Let's get pass that conversation. I am speaking to a clear agenda in the way we view our natural resources and now manage them as well. Welcome to reality. It is challenging to have it both ways.

My main point was regarding how decisions are made and studies are approached by so many researchers/universities/organizations. My opinion is based on years of teaching graduate level research and writing, test, measurement and assessment and alike classes. My view comes from reading hundreds of dissertations, thesis and advising students.  I have come to the conclusion that most researchers come with their own prejudices/agendas to a study and do their best to stay there as well. There is often a clear emotional/agenda (often politically motivated) that is dragged into the research which leads the author or team to ignore other possible independent variables from the beginning and other even secondary findings that may have significance to their conclusions (many time blindly ignored). I believe some of this behavior is based from ego and pride; but can also be political from the individual or institution's agendas. Consider who is picking up the tab. I am not saying this lack of true research is in every study, but a great wise and educated man once told me, "everyone has an agenda". And yes I had an agenda as well in teaching the classes. I wanted students to keep their eyes wide open and honestly attempt to disapprove their own thinking. It was only then, could we find the unspoken truth beyond our own prejudices of the study.

On point, I have never caught a quillback. California, as well as many other states are closing the lids tight. I truly hope our resources are not at a tipping point where we are in need to continue to prescribe such drastic closing measures.

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More woke based decisions, most likely based on a biased problem statement that led to a biased subjective study, maybe studies, which led to poor decisions. The ultimate decision was most likely already made awhile back and just took the right nudges to make it work. Unfortunately, this happens more than most of us want to admit. Research is now rarely objectively conducted in both the hard and soft science fields. Let’s not be naïve.  :smt075 : :confused2:

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General Talk / Re: Ukulele Sunday Worship. 7/23
« on: July 21, 2023, 02:50:13 PM »
Hey  NCKA
Scotty here, just passing along some info some may be interested in…
I’ve progressed in my Ukulele skills and am doing the music for our Ukulele Worship Service this Sunday 7/23 at our church, Knox/TLC in
Santa Rosa.I got my start with the Uke about 10 yrs ago when Victor gave me it  at Crabfest! I had the opportunity to do this so I said yes!
Our church is an all welcoming Presbyterian / Lutheran that merged to stay alive.
If you like singing Praise and are un the area stop by , it’s gonna be fun!
1650 W.  3rd St Santa Rosa 10am  this Sunday

Scotty

 :smt035  :smt038

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I enjoy when God protects me despite my ambition.  In my selfish state I will go to great means to get what I want.  Interestingly, when I get what I want, if not in His perfect will, it always falls short of my expectations for contentment and joy. :smt006

me too... so true... and well said

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He will get your attention, one way or another. Keeping you safe for another day. It beats ignoring the signs, not waking up one day and …
Everyday is gift… enjoy the time with your loved ones.

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CA Regulations / Re: Osprey
« on: June 05, 2023, 07:17:39 AM »
When I was a kid there were tagged trout that you could turn in the tag and get a cash reward.  I made a couple hundred bucks from the tags I found under the osprey nest behind our cabin.

Love it! I always love watching osprey take a fish from the water.

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General Talk / Re: Oregon Ocean Coho?
« on: June 05, 2023, 06:01:07 AM »
Nice fish Chris!

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Introductions / Re: Joining from Redding
« on: April 27, 2023, 07:45:16 AM »
Hey everyone.

I've been kayak fishing on/off since I was a kid thanks to my old man. It's been a few years since I've gone anywhere, but I'm looking forward to learning how to fish in Shasta County again.

- Sam

You are welcome!  😁

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Great thread Paul.

Worst: Close encounter with GWS resulting in a loss of use of my favorite Hobie Revo and a large donation (my favorite saltwater rockfish rod and reel, along with three others, fish finder, plus gear) to Davey's Locker. Interesting enough, the experience reminds me that having adverse experiences only makes you stronger and seems to be a path for God to get my attention...so probably not the worse, believe it or not.

Best: Fishing with my kids and meeting great people over the years...great memories of fun times and later having my kids come home and say... "Dad, can you take me fishing?"

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CA Regulations / Re: Trading Sport-caught Fish
« on: February 25, 2023, 08:20:10 AM »
 :cowboy_cool:


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General Talk / Re: Scariest night ever…
« on: February 25, 2023, 08:15:08 AM »
Yucks! Be safe. Wishing you the best!

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General Talk / Re: Kayak Fishing Standards of Conduct & Etiquette
« on: February 25, 2023, 07:50:29 AM »
Well done! The suggestions from the replies are great as well. The more we can share about safety, essential gear and etiquette the better.

Illustration of poor ramp etiquette: About ten years ago I was doing some ocean fishing up in Oregon. As I drove up to the launch I noticed there was no place to launch but a two lane boat ramp with a single dock to one side. The good news, there was nobody around as it seemed… every already launched and parked for the morning. My son and I backed down the ramp next to the dock, unloaded the kayaks from a kayak trailer and started to put the final pieces of gear in the kayaks from the car (by now you already can foreshadow what happened next). As we were unloading a rather large rig with a big local fishing boat pulled up, and yes, you guess it I received my first lesson about tying up a ramp. The driver promptly climbed down from his truck, not knowing how long we were there or how long we would be there, came down and literally got in my face and gave me his version/lecture on boat ramp etiquette. Of course, his energy pushed my button and I responded in the same manner (second mistake that day) I am usually able to bring down energy and keep calm but for some reason I was ready to put my foot on the side of his face. Fortunately, he backed off and we finished unloading and he waited for that lane. I later saw him at the fish cleaning station where we had a much better “conversation”. He admitted to getting in face unnecessarily in front of my young son and I learned not to, even when most of your gear is in the yak, not to take up the lane next to the dock when possible. To this day I do not like launching from a ramp as it is my luck a rig will pull up in a hurry want to do the drop and go. Lessons learned.

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 :happy1:

Considering some of the fishing groups social media posts of regular large group gatherings with large amounts of fish on stringers.... more and more Karens, and even sportspeople, conservationist and natural resource agencies will take more interest in limiting our opportunities... oops too late.  :anger




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WTG Corey! Fishing machine…

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