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Title: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: Buzzcut1 on June 25, 2017, 09:30:36 PM
at least he didn't kill his daughter too (sheer luck) I wish people would get a clue and wear the dammed things. :smt013

http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Dive-team-searches-for-man-whose-kayak-overturned-11246223.php

Police and a dive team searched Sunday night for a 40-year-old man who disappeared in a Delta waterway near Rio Vista after his kayak tipped over and pitched him and his 5-year-old daughter into the waves, officials said.
Witnesses told officers that after the boat overturned, the father came to the surface holding his daughter above him and that someone on a jet ski fetched the girl. The father, however, then sank below the surface, according to the Sacramento County Sheriff’s Department.
Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: MontanaN8V on June 26, 2017, 09:32:41 AM
We seen this just after it unfolded... :smt011
Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: Lost_Anchovy on June 26, 2017, 10:09:21 AM
They should just pass a law making it mandatory to wear a PFD when on a kayak. It's a no brainer to many on this forum, but still too many pay the price for their ignorance or neglect on this issue.  Praying the girl doesn't blame herself for her dads death.  :smt010
Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: MontanaN8V on June 26, 2017, 05:11:07 PM
As of noon today they hadnt found the body yet. Anyone hear different or hear if it has been found?
Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: Mienboy on June 26, 2017, 05:46:34 PM
They found the body,dam shame,sound like he was a stand up all around family man and good guy.they said he knew how to swim.i was telling my wife if people would just put a vest on these outcomes would be better
Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: NowhereMan on June 26, 2017, 07:32:12 PM
RIP.
Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: cal.ndn-yakin on June 26, 2017, 07:40:19 PM
Sad news.   Yes PFD is a must.   Ouple weeks ago another boy feel out the boat no PFD on him or dad dad jumps in and saves him but same as this story he went under afterwards.  I can swim also but i wear one and on kayak wouldnt catch me without it.   One of the lake lice could be watching his buddy or kids he is towing and hit me at least i may have a chance if im knocked out our broken limbs.   I stress this point to some i know.   

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Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: Mojo Jojo on June 26, 2017, 07:50:24 PM
No off no go in my book....... we had one dude paddle out into the big blue at PC without a jacket and I said don't fish near me bro, he went back to shore and got it.
Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: CaliFishing on June 27, 2017, 03:21:02 PM
Read article yesterday.  Very :( to hear what happened. I always make sure I have my PFD on me at all times. Anything could happen unexpectedly.
Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: Codzilla on June 27, 2017, 04:29:15 PM
I just don't get it !!! VERY sad story. I always where mine, even on Shasta Lake in the 100 deg. weather. you never know when you might fall over hit your head on a piece of driftwood or worse, we had a 2x12 with a shit load of nails sticking straight out for someone to fall on floating in Shasta two weeks ago. My cousin who fishes some of the ocean tourneys with me asked if i was wearing mine that day, I said always, you know my rule, it was the first time i have seen him on Shasta with his pfd on ALL day !! I joking said you kept it on all day, his response, it's the right thing to do.
Jeff
Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: MontanaN8V on July 02, 2017, 10:25:28 PM
Especially on Shasta. Hundreds of live linear shape charges were scattered on the bottom after the failed bridge demolition. It was months before they were recovered. Could have a sudden upswell if your downrigger ball hit one. Pfd would be nice.
Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: DeltaYakR on July 03, 2017, 03:08:00 PM
Another no PFD death in rio vista. 7 year old drowned at sandy beach over the weekend.
Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: AngleDangle on August 22, 2017, 04:59:17 PM
I have never been in the Delta so can someone please fill me in on how these guys who can swim are drowning? Currents? are there undertows? I am planning to fish the delta when I get my kayak so I am seriously asking as I have every intent on wearing a pfd but would love to know the risks before I am out there for myself.
Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: yakyakyak on August 22, 2017, 05:06:20 PM
I have never been in the Delta so can someone please fill me in on how these guys who can swim are drowning? Currents? are there undertows? I am planning to fish the delta when I get my kayak so I am seriously asking as I have every intent on wearing a pfd but would love to know the risks before I am out there for myself.

I would say current, debris/islands, unexpected tip over (i.e. bad anchor, stuck downrigger, overreach, etc), and boating collision.  Even if you are a strong swimmer, you're no match against a strong current, hypothermia, or exhaustion.  Hell, you may not win against a strong current even if you are upright.
Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: AngleDangle on August 22, 2017, 05:23:06 PM
So is the delta pretty fierce or what? I grew up surfing in Santa Cruz and am well aware of current. As a medic I am well aware of water that looks like glass but is a torrent below. Seen enough drownings in my life. ETOH would be a major factor quite a bit. So is the delta just that bad of an animal? Seems calm in most video I see. Is there a certian kayak size you would say is needed as a minimum to fish it?
Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: yakyakyak on August 22, 2017, 05:30:38 PM

I would say most Delta area are pretty calm, unless there is rain upriver and/or wind forecast is blowing hard.  But what do I know, the Delta folks overwrite what I said.
Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: ex-kayaker on August 22, 2017, 07:52:19 PM
So is the delta pretty fierce or what? I grew up surfing in Santa Cruz and am well aware of current. As a medic I am well aware of water that looks like glass but is a torrent below. Seen enough drownings in my life. ETOH would be a major factor quite a bit. So is the delta just that bad of an animal? Seems calm in most video I see. Is there a certian kayak size you would say is needed as a minimum to fish it?
The delta is a huge waterway, the conditions vary on differrent parts of the river so theres no one way to describe it.

The main river channels on the sac and san joaquin move alot of water and are generally unobstructed and relatively deep.  Water flows real well through em and and the flow can really get going in the middle of a big tide. 
It can be particularly bad if the wind is pushing against the tide. You'd be wise to keep a pfd on the closer you get to the bay.

The flooded land tracts are pretty open and shallow, a howling wind can get em white capping pretty bad.  You more than likely wouldnt be fishing comfortably or effectively in these conditions anyway. 

The smaller tributaries and off channel waterways are tame for the most part. Just have to keep an eye out for kooks on jet skis and boat traffic in certain areas. 

Just my opinion but I think most of the fatalities, usually one or two a year, are due to inept or inexperienced folks that panic or exhaust themselves.  Im sure opinions will differ but i think the delta is relatively safe if you use some common sense. 

As far as craft.....ive seen people out there fishing off of chunks of dock styrofoam leashed together with rope and paddled with tree branches....seen those crappy paddle boats, water cycles, float tubes, pontoons and now there's burning man hippies building home made barges out there....its the bayou, if it floats, have at it. 




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Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: AngleDangle on August 22, 2017, 09:01:46 PM
So is the delta pretty fierce or what? I grew up surfing in Santa Cruz and am well aware of current. As a medic I am well aware of water that looks like glass but is a torrent below. Seen enough drownings in my life. ETOH would be a major factor quite a bit. So is the delta just that bad of an animal? Seems calm in most video I see. Is there a certian kayak size you would say is needed as a minimum to fish it?
The delta is a huge waterway, the conditions vary on differrent parts of the river so theres no one way to describe it.

The main river channels on the sac and san joaquin move alot of water and are generally unobstructed and relatively deep.  Water flows real well through em and and the flow can really get going in the middle of a big tide. 
It can be particularly bad if the wind is pushing against the tide. You'd be wise to keep a pfd on the closer you get to the bay.

The flooded land tracts are pretty open and shallow, a howling wind can get em white capping pretty bad.  You more than likely wouldnt be fishing comfortably or effectively in these conditions anyway. 

The smaller tributaries and off channel waterways are tame for the most part. Just have to keep an eye out for kooks on jet skis and boat traffic in certain areas. 

Just my opinion but I think most of the fatalities, usually one or two a year, are due to inept or inexperienced folks that panic or exhaust themselves.  Im sure opinions will differ but i think the delta is relatively safe if you use some common sense. 

As far as craft.....ive seen people out there fishing off of chunks of dock styrofoam leashed together with rope and paddled with tree branches....seen those crappy paddle boats, water cycles, float tubes, pontoons and now there's burning man hippies building home made barges out there....its the bayou, if it floats, have at it. 




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Thanks for the info. I will break out my nicest furry boots and get ready fro some wild burning man action. Pasties might make for an odd tan line to explain to the wife though. :smt003
Title: Re: Death by no PFD in the Delta
Post by: ex-kayaker on August 24, 2017, 08:00:18 AM
You gotta think long term new guy....wear your pasties daily and the wife will be none the wiser when you wear em on the occasional jaunt to the dirty d. 

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