Fish for Science - Central CA (it's a free boat trip)!

Sorry Steelhead & Cheryl, but you might be wasting your breath/typing here. Not because you're right or wrong, but because of the head-in-the-sand lemming effect that happens within fishing website culture. Don't be discouraged though--I think you'll find a few knowledgable anglers here willing to help.
I can't participate in the fishing surveys this year, but the one I did back in 2006 inside Pt Lobos was a pretty cool experience. Yeah guys, this type of research has been ongoing for YEARS and it has nothing to do with 'concessions to fishermen' or 'making fishermen feel better' about the MLPA. Not everything is a conspiracy. And I'd much rather have Big Jim or LapuLapu onboard 'gathering data' than some random person who may or may not have an inherent bias or econazi agenda.
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Really?  They are not wasting their time.  I encourage them to engage in the debate in a productive manner.  Love it or hate it, we have to live with the MLPA (for the time being at least), so may as well continue to debate it.

I'm not sure what the lemming statement was about, so I'll just leave that one alone other than this comment.

Just because it has been going on for years (in the MLPA context at least), doesn't make it right.

BTW, I recall something about budgets issues w.r.t. to last years "surveys".  Did they happen last year?

So Pat, you do feel better!?!  Just because you know someone on the survey trip?  Looks like their mission is accomplished.

-Allen

Oh yeah.....to all of the guys signing up for the "free boat trip". Just remember guys.....whatever fish is caught or not caught.....the collected data will be used and manipulated to meet the agenda of those who paid for it. Can you honestly look at yourself in the mirror and believe that any of this will result in more or even the retention of our existing fishing rights?

Not when the enviros and their bought and paid for politicians are picking up the bill for the "free boat trip". Let your conscience be your guide. I will wait for when the Partnership for Sustainable Oceans is allowed to conduct their surveys to participate. And tell me Matt or Cheryl.....when will that be allowed to happen? jim

I have to agree with all the skeptics. Why should our involvement be put to good use now, after we've been lied to and deceived throughout the MLPA process? (I'm referring to the NCC MLPA.)
Now that NRDC and Ocean Conservancy and MBA got their way, they want to take us fishing? Give me a break. Let them do their own research. They're only going to twist it into whatever result it is that will benefit them most.
 

Calling DaveW ... isn't it about time you posted up something regarding Bias, Confidence Intervals, Probability (p values), and Random Sampling, etc.?   

-Allen

PS: Pat I just kicked the shit out of your BBQ.

Jim, shame on you! What did that poor thing ever do to you? Gonna have to report you to People for the Ethical Treatment of BBQs. Possibly they can implement a BBQ Lifestyle Protection Area in your neighborhood.

Sin, so do the lemmings have their heads in the sand or are they jumping off cliffs? Would you be willing to help out with a "lemming gravity research project" in which well determine the exact height of the cliff necessary to kill them on impact. We'll do it by playing Angry Birds while watching the mass suicide. Mind you, we'll have to defund the MLPA to do this scientifically sound project.

Funny thing, throwing myself headlong into the ocean seems quite appealing rite now.

a free boat ride....... who needs that? 
KNOWyourEMEMY!

Do any of the Regional Fisheries Management Councils use hook and line surveys for stock assessment surveys?  Why not?

I'd also like to see an answer to this one.