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Title: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Pat R. on September 24, 2012, 03:53:23 PM
I would guess this is nothing new but I did tweak it a little and thought I would share with you all. I am calling it the cart cradle, I removed the post collars clamps because I never liked the way they supported only a small area with such a heavy load like the AI :smt009. So I cut and drilled a piece of plastic and replaced the post collars with 1” tubing if you check out the pics you will see way I called it the cart cradle, and the best part it floats :smt003.

PatR   
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: otobepelagic on September 24, 2012, 04:47:34 PM
Pat, Hobie should put you on their R & D Team.
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Great Bass 2 on September 24, 2012, 04:53:57 PM
I think that makes more sense with regard to load distribution than the tennis ball thing.
Title: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Jeffo on September 24, 2012, 05:29:25 PM
Genius.
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: FishingAddict on September 24, 2012, 05:59:00 PM
NIce, you taking orders? 
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Salty. on September 24, 2012, 08:11:31 PM
Pat, great idea! Where did you get the material from if you don't mind me asking? jim
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: EWB on September 24, 2012, 08:16:28 PM
Id like to figure a way to add some simple scupper posts to the wheelez for those simple launches it would be nice to not have to strap it down
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Pat R. on September 24, 2012, 08:54:05 PM
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NIce, you taking orders?
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Always I did make three at the same time one goes to Great Bass 2 the others are up for grabs.



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Where did you get the material from if you don't mind me asking? jim
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Jim Tap plastics 1/4" starboard 6x16

PatR
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Salty. on September 24, 2012, 08:56:13 PM
Thanks Pat! I'm definitely going to make one.
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: lucky13 on September 25, 2012, 08:25:42 PM
Great idea Pat. This is perfect timing too. I just purchased the same cart specifically for transporting the kayak from water to car. (The AI is too heavy to load on my Wheelez at the launch ramp by myself, so Mel suggested this Hobie cart to me.) I installed the collars and was thinking to myself how in the world could those things hold the weight of a fully loaded AI without breaking the scupper? I think I would add a think foam pad to the starboard.

Thanks for saving me from reinventing the wheel!
ernest
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: raydon on September 25, 2012, 09:31:34 PM
Great idea, Pat.   
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: NoSoupForU on September 25, 2012, 11:42:33 PM
You will be getting a call from Hobie soon I bet.
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: jonesz on September 29, 2012, 01:13:44 PM
I like it Pat. I made my own cart with SS and then I lined the upright tubes with thinwall PVC to help protect the inside of the scuppers. I like how that should help distribute the weight for relief.
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Jigstrike on September 29, 2012, 03:47:49 PM
I would like one. Great Idea.  More natural support.

Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Pat R. on September 29, 2012, 04:22:44 PM
jigstrike I will put your name on one. I would be willing to make more if there is additional interest, PM me if you are interested in one. :smt006


PatR
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: ChuckE on October 04, 2012, 12:33:09 PM
Pat.... I'm calling my patent attorney.  You stole my design... although yours looks much nicer. :smt003
I came up with the same solution earlier this year to avoid hull denting between the scupper holes.  It definitely helps.
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Pat R. on October 04, 2012, 12:46:26 PM
Chuck where do you think I got the idea I just tweaked it a little :smt003. I have a upgrade for you, I will bring it to the crab clinic next Tuesday.

PatR
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: EWB on October 04, 2012, 12:49:05 PM
can you guys give me a post to post measurement? I want to make a simple cart for paved launches for the AI.
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Pat R. on October 04, 2012, 01:17:31 PM
I think its 1" tubing, 11" center I will check for sure when I get home.

PatR
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: EWB on October 04, 2012, 01:20:35 PM
gonna go the PVC route (I think) I also have some copper pipe but I can see the tweakers lining up to steal it  :smt005

I need to run to harbor freight to get some cheap wheels. I have some golf cart ones but I don't think the hub is sturdy enough to hold the fully loaded AI
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: ChuckE on October 04, 2012, 01:56:27 PM
Eric... I've seen many PVC carts built and destroyed.  You're gonna need something super beef to support our heavy-ass AI's.
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Eric B on October 04, 2012, 02:02:06 PM
Nice work.

I bet a gardening knee pad would work well as the cradle pad.  Like $2 at WalMart.
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: EWB on October 04, 2012, 02:13:27 PM
Eric... I've seen many PVC carts built and destroyed.  You're gonna need something super beef to support our heavy-ass AI's.

yeah...what is Lino's made of?
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Pat R. on October 04, 2012, 04:58:01 PM
Eric I checked the size and it is 11" center but I am 100% with Chuck you are going to need something beefy to support the weight. The Hobie carts are supper convenient for the launch ramp launches, a bit costly but well worth it protect your investment :smt006.

PatR
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Great Bass 2 on October 04, 2012, 05:34:00 PM
Love mine TX Pat. The crab clinic got set back 1 week. Bring an ice chest.
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Pat R. on October 04, 2012, 06:01:11 PM
Thanks Scott will do.

PatR
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: jonesz on October 11, 2012, 08:13:30 AM
Here's my version. I originally welded a SS tubing frame. Then I sleeved the uprights with thinwall PVC, and capped the ends with chair leg protectors. Then I saw Pat's rig and I went and bought some plastic board from TAP, and fitted it over the uprights. Pat, when I talked to the gal at the shop, she suggested another plastic other than starboard. It is softer, almost oily feeling. She called it "selflubing" plastic. I liked it, because it feels much closer to the hardness of our boats (less wear I figure) but still provides contoured support. It's surface is also slick and not textured like starboard. Here's a pic of my "ultra cart"
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: ChuckE on October 11, 2012, 12:56:06 PM
Jonesz.... That looks like the PERFECT cart.  What did the stainless frame cost you to build?
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: EWB on October 11, 2012, 01:10:31 PM
damn you...that is what I am gonna try and do with the cart Ben is gifting me. I may have to mod the axle. If i cant make it happen I will go with "normal" wheels
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: ChuckE on October 11, 2012, 06:17:14 PM
Since we're on the subject of carts, Hobie just posted this new video on cart/wheel selection.  Note the cool "cart keeper" feature at the 2:20 mark of the video.  Looks like an easy DIY project for our existing carts.

Choosing a Plug in Cart for your Hobie. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9Dcyz7dDp8#ws)
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Mienboy on October 11, 2012, 06:38:03 PM
that cart is not bad,but not great.i had that pin fall out.luckliy it fell inside the cart and i shook it out.so i grab a rock and pounded it back in.
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Ski Pro 3 -- Jerry on October 11, 2012, 06:57:22 PM
Alright, I'm confused;
How can you put a piece of plastic with holes drilled 11" apart to fit over the scupper posts on the cart, then in another photo show that 11" span cover the profile of the kayak bottom?  That profile is longer than the straight-line 11" span of the cart posts.  Either the plastic is stretching or the posts are being pulled towards each other.  If being pulled toward each other, that's going to put pressure on the inside edge of the scupper hole. 

If you could bring one of those carts to the crab clinic on the 17th, I'd love to take a look at it. 

Also, I'm confused how those clear Tap Plastic slide-ons are able to hold up the black plastic cradle?  I would guess that the contact area of the plastic tubes and the plastic cradle is less than a square inch and supporting a loaded Hobie PA, probably over 150 pounds. 
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Pat R. on October 11, 2012, 07:43:14 PM
Jonesz nice cart best of both worlds, if you want the plastic to form to the bottom of the yak try putting 1"x1-1/4 tubing on the scupper posts check out the pic.

skipro3 the black plastic in the pic is 6" wide x 16" long and I drilled the holes 1-1/16 to give the holes some movement to form to the bottom of the yak. It supports my AI quite well. I would be happy to bring my cart to the crab clinic.

PatR
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Great Bass 2 on October 11, 2012, 08:15:18 PM
Pats mod is the best in terms of load distribution. Yeah, Hobie should hire him.  :smt003
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: FishingAddict on October 12, 2012, 10:44:37 AM
Pat - Did you use a hole saw or spade bit to drill the holes?
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Pat R. on October 12, 2012, 12:31:20 PM
Pat - Did you use a hole saw or spade bit to drill the holes?


I used a Precision Forstner Bit.

PatR
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: ChuckE on October 12, 2012, 01:54:09 PM
Pat - Did you use a hole saw or spade bit to drill the holes?
Mel, a hole will work too.  That's what I used.
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: EWB on October 12, 2012, 02:08:23 PM
do you guys know the hub size? Ben is gifting me one w/o wheels my hope is the wheeleez wheels will work. if not maybe some from harbor freight will work
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Pat R. on October 13, 2012, 12:29:20 PM
EWB sorry it took so long.

PatR
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: EWB on October 13, 2012, 12:54:10 PM
No worries. Looks like the hf wheels are going to be it. Which is Okay. The wheeleez can be used for mud, rocks and sand

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Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Jigstrike on October 13, 2012, 01:57:06 PM
Mine worked great on my Pro angler in the mountains.  THANKS A HEAP.

Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Pat R. on October 13, 2012, 03:00:46 PM
Mine worked great on my Pro angler in the mountains.  THANKS A HEAP.



Jigstrike I am glad  the cart cradle worked on your Pro angler, did it form to the hull ok.

PatR
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Jigstrike on October 13, 2012, 03:05:22 PM
yes it did.
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: jonesz on October 14, 2012, 08:40:30 AM
Hey Pat,
After I took another look at your cart, I since removed the foam pad under the board. I forgot about that. Then I cut a PVC coupling in half that sleeves perfectly over the thinwall PVC uprights. It now contours like yours. I left a piece of rubber tubing over the crossbar just in case it bottoms out. I was also thinking it might be benificial to oval the holes a little to allow more contouring.

Chucke, I made the cart while I was at work where we had a welder. I made it out of used SS tubing I bought at a salvage place, for a few bucks. Now I want some smaller wheels with plastic hubs that I can also fit on when I'm launching off of ramps. Hai showed me a neat little trick where you float the AI nose out. Then push your cart down under your hull and let it float back up into the scupper holes. Trouble with wheeleeze are they are sooooo bouyant. They are like trying to hold a basket ball under water. Almost impossible on your own. With the smaller less boyant wheels you can do it easily on your own. Then just swing the boat around and walk it up the ramp. Easy peasey! If anyone knows where to find some inflatable wheels with a plastic hub, let me know. Thanx
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Pat R. on October 14, 2012, 01:33:34 PM
Jonesz the first one I made I cut the holes with a 1" drill then thought the same thing a little bigger hole would give more room to flex, so I cut the next one with 1 1/16 drill and it works a lot better.

PatR
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: FishingAddict on October 14, 2012, 03:02:42 PM
OK I jumped in the bandwagon. I did see Chuck's version last time were at Almeda. Pat posted and made me make one.

Pat, How come you are not using the post collar clamps that came with the cart?
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: Pat R. on October 15, 2012, 07:19:16 AM
Pat, How come you are not using the post collar clamps that came with the cart?

No real reason, I try for the less is better thing. It looks like they will work just fine.

PatR
Title: Re: HD Hobie cart cradle
Post by: AlsHobieOutback on October 15, 2012, 07:30:18 AM
I've kind of flattened the bottom of my AI already from lugging it around with a lot of gear on so many hot days  :smt012  Could really use one of these!  Although I only use my scupper cart for short distance carries/launches, I still prefere my Wheeleez for any sort of sandy or bumpy terrain.  There must be some way to make a sleeve to fit over the Trax cart axel and adapt to the Wheeleez tires on them.