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Title: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 03, 2018, 07:48:34 PM
My 50th is coming up and my wife is asking what I want.  Other kayak...noooo storage, to pricey, resigned to paddle...but...debating entering the gopro scene.  Not too tech savvy but can learn.  Need new computer to handle to editing, expensive hobby?  I love the vids fellow fisherman post here and learn so much.  How's the learning curve and what is the basic investment for storage and unit, time commitement? :smt006
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Wilderness medic on March 03, 2018, 08:16:13 PM
My 50th is coming up and my wife is asking what I want.  Other kayak...noooo storage, to pricey, resigned to paddle...but...debating entering the gopro scene.  Not too tech savvy but can learn.  Need new computer to handle to editing, expensive hobby?  I love the vids fellow fisherman post here and learn so much.  How's the learning curve and what is the basic investment for storage and unit, time commitement? :smt006

Depends on what you want. You can use your iPhone and a low end computer with a stock editing program like iMovie. Or you can get a new $2-3k MacBook Pro with FCPX for like $800.

It’s whatever you want to do. I know that’s probably not very helpful, sorry. The time investment can be pretty large. Getting the shot on your camera that you want with little excess video cuts it down immensely. Editing 10-30 minute clips is annoying and time consuming. If you just want to splice video together you don’t need much as far as programs. If you want to adjust colors with Fancy animations you’ll need more.

Gopros shoot in higher quality than the majority of computers can even handle FYI.
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: nudling on March 03, 2018, 08:28:10 PM
You can even get the prior Gopro versions if you wanted to just give it a try to see if it's something that you might enjoy. I use to have 3 gopros and now have only 1 working one -- time to get more.

Sometimes, I think I go out just to get some fishporn footage (gives you an idea of how fun I think it is -- great way to capture fishing moments and relive them whenever you want).   :smt001

I use camtasia to edit, but any other video editor will do and your current computer, if it's fairly new, will be able to handle the editing.
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 03, 2018, 09:00:47 PM
Ok, thanks...I think I need to learn how to convert some Imovie stuff for this format.  I just want to post a few clips of good stuff, at least some moments of live fishing fun.  I'll keep studying what I want from a go pro system or editing live clips at all...stay tuned...
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Tote on March 04, 2018, 01:04:54 AM
A lot of the land videos I do are recorded with a simple Nikon Cool Pics point and shoot camera.
I download the SD card onto the computer and use MAGIX movie editor that cost around $60.
Fun to play with if you have the time. Take a ton of pics and vids and put them together how you want. That's it.
Then start to play with special effects.
No need to go high end to make really cool videos.
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 04, 2018, 07:46:22 AM
A lot of the land videos I do are recorded with a simple Nikon Cool Pics point and shoot camera.
I download the SD card onto the computer and use MAGIX movie editor that cost around $60.
Fun to play with if you have the time. Take a ton of pics and vids and put them together how you want. That's it.
Then start to play with special effects.
No need to go high end to make really cool videos.
I do have cameras that make movies so I may just have to get a better laptop and mess around.  My macbook is ancient.  I may be looking for your simple solution.
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: CptSloppywood on March 04, 2018, 11:19:52 AM
Director Eddie- Maybe in time for the Oscars next year! :smt044
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: LoletaEric on March 04, 2018, 12:04:55 PM
Quote from: nudling

Sometimes, I think I go out just to get some fishporn footage (gives you an idea of how fun I think it is -- great way to capture fishing moments and relive them whenever you want).   :smt001

This.

Being committed to capturing scenes, posting them up, taking criticism along with the strokes and using the process to improve the next attempt not only helps you hone your video game - it potentially changes your entire life. 

The quality and style of your videos isn’t anything compared to your content.  I aspire to be more high tech and polished at some point, but the experiences I’m having are more important than glitz. 

I consider a commitment to sharing your outdoors pursuits on video to be integral to developing your best game. 
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 04, 2018, 01:14:58 PM
Quote from: nudling

Sometimes, I think I go out just to get some fishporn footage (gives you an idea of how fun I think it is -- great way to capture fishing moments and relive them whenever you want).   :smt001

This.

Being committed to capturing scenes, posting them up, taking criticism along with the strokes and using the process to improve the next attempt not only helps you hone your video game - it potentially changes your entire life. 

The quality and style of your videos isn’t anything compared to your content.  I aspire to be more high tech and polished at some point, but the experiences I’m having are more important than glitz. 

I consider a commitment to sharing your outdoors pursuits on video to be integral to developing your best game.
Yes, you are reminding me why video has an effect for a visual type like me to learn and refine skills.  Similar to reviewing anything of interest until you recognize that nugget that you didn't know you were looking for. :smt006
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 04, 2018, 01:18:02 PM
Director Eddie- Maybe in time for the Oscars next year! :smt044
Cut...cut....cut....take number 387.... :smt005......WHERE"S MY ESPRESSSO!!!!!!!! :smt006
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 04, 2018, 02:35:43 PM
Should I just find the best kayak mount for my iphone8 with temdan waterproof case?
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: yakyakyak on March 04, 2018, 02:52:37 PM
Should I just find the best kayak mount for my iphone8 with temdan waterproof case?

If I have to do it all over, I would use my phone as my primary video recorder.  Aside from that, I have the Yi 4K (https://www.amazon.com/YI-Action-Sports-Camera-Control/dp/B01FU9ZIMU).

Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 04, 2018, 03:00:39 PM
Should I just find the best kayak mount for my iphone8 with temdan waterproof case?

If I have to do it all over, I would use my phone as my primary video recorder.  Aside from that, I have the Yi 4K (https://www.amazon.com/YI-Action-Sports-Camera-Control/dp/B01FU9ZIMU).
Ooooooo...you're starting to seal the deal....
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: yakyakyak on March 04, 2018, 04:26:13 PM
Should I just find the best kayak mount for my iphone8 with temdan waterproof case?

If I have to do it all over, I would use my phone as my primary video recorder.  Aside from that, I have the Yi 4K (https://www.amazon.com/YI-Action-Sports-Camera-Control/dp/B01FU9ZIMU (https://www.amazon.com/YI-Action-Sports-Camera-Control/dp/B01FU9ZIMU)).
Ooooooo...you're starting to seal the deal....


Just be aware that using your phone is dependent on how much storage you have there.  But then again, you dont need to record in 4k and most phones allow additional storage.

Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 04, 2018, 04:40:03 PM
Should I just find the best kayak mount for my iphone8 with temdan waterproof case?

If I have to do it all over, I would use my phone as my primary video recorder.  Aside from that, I have the Yi 4K (https://www.amazon.com/YI-Action-Sports-Camera-Control/dp/B01FU9ZIMU (https://www.amazon.com/YI-Action-Sports-Camera-Control/dp/B01FU9ZIMU)).
Ooooooo...you're starting to seal the deal....


Just be aware that using your phone is dependent on how much storage you have there.  But then again, you dont need to record in 4k and most phones allow additional storage.
Ram has a phone holder and I'm looking at a ball mount extender arm, I have 64gb.  Can't say I'll be ready if i get that 59.75" diamondback tomorrow, maybe I could film the wake if I get a tow...just a lil' extreme hope comin' atcha... :smt006
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: NowhereMan on March 04, 2018, 07:02:31 PM
If I have to do it all over, I would use my phone as my primary video recorder.  Aside from that, I have the Yi 4K (https://www.amazon.com/YI-Action-Sports-Camera-Control/dp/B01FU9ZIMU).

Not to threadjack, but just curious if others have success using their phone as a camera when kayak fishing. When kayaking, I always carry my phone in a waterproof case, but it seems to me that it would be a pretty poor substitute for a gopro (or similar).
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Wilderness medic on March 04, 2018, 07:39:46 PM
If I have to do it all over, I would use my phone as my primary video recorder.  Aside from that, I have the Yi 4K (https://www.amazon.com/YI-Action-Sports-Camera-Control/dp/B01FU9ZIMU).

Not to threadjack, but just curious if others have success using their phone as a camera when kayak fishing. When kayaking, I always carry my phone in a waterproof case, but it seems to me that it would be a pretty poor substitute for a gopro (or similar).

The biggest downside I see to the is the FOV. GoPro is such a wide angle it’s pretty easy to get the shot with it not centered perfect.
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 04, 2018, 07:54:24 PM
If I have to do it all over, I would use my phone as my primary video recorder.  Aside from that, I have the Yi 4K (https://www.amazon.com/YI-Action-Sports-Camera-Control/dp/B01FU9ZIMU).

Not to threadjack, but just curious if others have success using their phone as a camera when kayak fishing. When kayaking, I always carry my phone in a waterproof case, but it seems to me that it would be a pretty poor substitute for a gopro (or similar).

The biggest downside I see to the is the FOV. GoPro is such a wide angle it’s pretty easy to get the shot with it not centered perfect.
Hmmmmm...
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: FriedKalamari on March 04, 2018, 09:28:23 PM
If I have to do it all over, I would use my phone as my primary video recorder.  Aside from that, I have the Yi 4K (https://www.amazon.com/YI-Action-Sports-Camera-Control/dp/B01FU9ZIMU).

Not to threadjack, but just curious if others have success using their phone as a camera when kayak fishing. When kayaking, I always carry my phone in a waterproof case, but it seems to me that it would be a pretty poor substitute for a gopro (or similar).

The biggest downside I see to the is the FOV. GoPro is such a wide angle it’s pretty easy to get the shot with it not centered perfect.
Hmmmmm...

you can change the field of view to narrow, wide, widest.  you can get a cheaper hero 4 or something no need for the latest.  try it out theyre fun gadgets
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: yakyakyak on March 05, 2018, 11:39:57 AM

Maybe something like this?  I never tried it, but if I upgrade my phone, I am thinking hard about using this one.


https://www.walmart.com/ip/Propel-Paddle-Gear-Kayak-Universal-GPS-Phone-Mount/49398691

Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: NowhereMan on March 05, 2018, 09:19:55 PM

Maybe something like this?  I never tried it, but if I upgrade my phone, I am thinking hard about using this one.


https://www.walmart.com/ip/Propel-Paddle-Gear-Kayak-Universal-GPS-Phone-Mount/49398691

I actually have a nice hard plastic waterproof iPhone case, and that’s on a railblaza mount. The case even comes with a wide angle lens. I thought it would be great and would work as a GoPro replacement. But I gave up on that after one attempt. It does work well as a gps unit. But I can’t seem to make it work as a camera in that environment. And I use my phone as a camera all the time—just not on the kayak.
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 05, 2018, 09:31:44 PM

Maybe something like this?  I never tried it, but if I upgrade my phone, I am thinking hard about using this one.


https://www.walmart.com/ip/Propel-Paddle-Gear-Kayak-Universal-GPS-Phone-Mount/49398691

I actually have a nice hard plastic waterproof iPhone case, and that’s on a railblaza mount. The case even comes with a wide angle lens. I thought it would be great and would work as a GoPro replacement. But I gave up on that after one attempt. It does work well as a gps unit. But I can’t seem to make it work as a camera in that environment. And I use my phone as a camera all the time—just not on the kayak.
Fingers to wet to operate?
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 06, 2018, 08:15:52 AM

Maybe something like this?  I never tried it, but if I upgrade my phone, I am thinking hard about using this one.


https://www.walmart.com/ip/Propel-Paddle-Gear-Kayak-Universal-GPS-Phone-Mount/49398691

I actually have a nice hard plastic waterproof iPhone case, and that’s on a railblaza mount. The case even comes with a wide angle lens. I thought it would be great and would work as a GoPro replacement. But I gave up on that after one attempt. It does work well as a gps unit. But I can’t seem to make it work as a camera in that environment. And I use my phone as a camera all the time—just not on the kayak.
Fingers to wet to operate?
Thining about going here

https://www.amazon.com/RAM-Ram-X-Grip/dp/B010QXF11S/ref=pd_rhf_ee_p_img_11?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=67N1Q519K114B75A514F

https://www.amazon.com/Kayalu-Toughbar%C2%AE-extension-Mounting-ParkerMounts%C2%AE/dp/B003S7K6DI/ref=pd_day0_468_3?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B003S7K6DI&pd_rd_r=17RQB2BW8G0FBRD5TFG8&pd_rd_w=olvm2&pd_rd_wg=gPwqq&psc=1&refRID=17RQB2BW8G0FBRD5TFG8

Temdan waterproof case with floating tether and certainly leashed to arm

Opinions.... :smt006
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: yakyakyak on March 06, 2018, 10:11:40 AM

Maybe something like this?  I never tried it, but if I upgrade my phone, I am thinking hard about using this one.


https://www.walmart.com/ip/Propel-Paddle-Gear-Kayak-Universal-GPS-Phone-Mount/49398691 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Propel-Paddle-Gear-Kayak-Universal-GPS-Phone-Mount/49398691)

I actually have a nice hard plastic waterproof iPhone case, and that’s on a railblaza mount. The case even comes with a wide angle lens. I thought it would be great and would work as a GoPro replacement. But I gave up on that after one attempt. It does work well as a gps unit. But I can’t seem to make it work as a camera in that environment. And I use my phone as a camera all the time—just not on the kayak.
Fingers to wet to operate?

Mark, same question ... what were the issues?  Thanks!



Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: mireland62887 on March 06, 2018, 10:27:50 AM
I've taken video and still images of my hunting and fishing trips for years. It's usually just a convenient way to summarize a trip's photos and videos in one, all inclusive package. I've used everything from phones, point and shoot cameras, DSLR's for photos and video, and Go Pros. I usually share them with family and friends, but more importantly, it's a moment in time that is saved.

Start with a simple, free video editing program. iMovie and Windows Movie Maker are both fine to learn with. There are thousands of tutorials on YouTube to do anything you want with any program you want.

If I had to start all over, I'd get a used GoPro or less expensive equivalent, and use the free editing program that most computers come with. Get a feel for what your style and workflow (processing the videos) will be, then let that direct you as you become proficient.

Here is a super simple video I made from just a day fishing with my kids. I used a series of super short GoPro clips with a handful of still images.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL9U0pxrMKE
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: crazyfisher on March 06, 2018, 11:03:37 AM
I agree with everyone. Just start simple.

I would recommend a gopro since you can download their gopro edit software. It has all the basic function you need which is to review, cut, splice, compile, etc...

If you go with the other brand, you can use either imovie or movie maker in windows. The movie maker in windows does get funky at times and won't compile too good if its a large movie or your system can't handle it.

I really like Imovie. Its very simple to use and quick if its with one of the newer macbook. I wish I had a macbook or system but in due time. I have a strung out overclocked electricity hungry PC system lol

I have used all kind of brand of camera from SJcam to YIcam to gopro. The YIcam is great for the price and function. The gopro is great but it seem to drain battery quicker than the YIcam. That's why I have a ton of batteries lol

Most of the camera can be powered through an external battery source which is great but lacks waterproof. Unless you get these which I have and its awesome

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0774QGG1G/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o04_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06XJ7RGWC/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o06_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Other than that, make sure you get a reliable memory card!! I can't stress that enough. Its so frustrating when you look back and you get a memory error!!

Lastly, make sure you have it RECORDING...you never know when the moment happens. lol It does take a long time to process the video if you have a lot of video to go through. From our big sur trip I had over 300 gig of video footage from multiple gopro and drone footage!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A17uN4LbLC0

Oh one more thing, make sure you have a lot of storage on your computer. Don't be a hoarder like me though. I save all my unedit video clip but I have 20 TB of storage. I need to go through and delete some but I can't lol

It does take some time to edit and I still go through all my old video and re-watch them. It gets me motivated to go out and fish!! Have fun!!
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 06, 2018, 11:09:30 AM
I've taken video and still images of my hunting and fishing trips for years. It's usually just a convenient way to summarize a trip's photos and videos in one, all inclusive package. I've used everything from phones, point and shoot cameras, DSLR's for photos and video, and Go Pros. I usually share them with family and friends, but more importantly, it's a moment in time that is saved.

Start with a simple, free video editing program. iMovie and Windows Movie Maker are both fine to learn with. There are thousands of tutorials on YouTube to do anything you want with any program you want.

If I had to start all over, I'd get a used GoPro or less expensive equivalent, and use the free editing program that most computers come with. Get a feel for what your style and workflow (processing the videos) will be, then let that direct you as you become proficient.

Here is a super simple video I made from just a day fishing with my kids. I used a series of super short GoPro clips with a handful of still images.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL9U0pxrMKE
Super cool, thank you.  Perfect vid from my perspective.  And the memory is priceless.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 06, 2018, 11:18:19 AM
Great stuff crazyfisher!  Better start the learning curve, maybe my best years are ahead of me :smt006
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 07, 2018, 11:53:06 AM
OK, great info here, hero4 silver, hero5session, or hero5 black?Getting a new Mac laptop so how much storage or do I stick to external hard drives in the tb category? :smt006
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: DG on March 07, 2018, 12:24:34 PM
Back up, back up and back up.  Before my hands would go numb or cause shooting pains I would repair damaged hard drives.  Some people would have a terabyte of data on one drive.  It was usually the family photos that most would get real emotional about.  For the really important photos save in more than one location.  Also not a bad idea if you could get mirroring drives or RAID style storage that will store the data across several drives in case one or more goes bad.  It’s not just a bad or corrupt drive you need to think about.  Theft, fires, flood and many other possible issues could arise.
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Der_Huntsman on March 07, 2018, 12:46:23 PM

Maybe something like this?  I never tried it, but if I upgrade my phone, I am thinking hard about using this one.


https://www.walmart.com/ip/Propel-Paddle-Gear-Kayak-Universal-GPS-Phone-Mount/49398691

I actually have a nice hard plastic waterproof iPhone case, and that’s on a railblaza mount. The case even comes with a wide angle lens. I thought it would be great and would work as a GoPro replacement. But I gave up on that after one attempt. It does work well as a gps unit. But I can’t seem to make it work as a camera in that environment. And I use my phone as a camera all the time—just not on the kayak.
Fingers to wet to operate?

This is the phone I have https://www.verizonwireless.com/smartphones/kyocera-duraforce-pro/  It's nice because it is waterproof and as long as you have enough light, the image and sound quality is decent. I'm more into still photography than videography, but phones have some serious downsides you should consider.
     1. storage
     2. quality
     3. cost
     4. battery life

If I were you (and I'm not), I would get an older second hand GoPro. You probably don't need the latest and greatest and you can dick around with it to see if it is something you really think you want to invest in. Like DG said, you will be SAD if something happens to your storage. Invest in some cloud storage, it is relatively inexpensive and even if your house burnt down around you you could recover your footage.
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 07, 2018, 06:43:17 PM

Maybe something like this?  I never tried it, but if I upgrade my phone, I am thinking hard about using this one.


https://www.walmart.com/ip/Propel-Paddle-Gear-Kayak-Universal-GPS-Phone-Mount/49398691

I actually have a nice hard plastic waterproof iPhone case, and that’s on a railblaza mount. The case even comes with a wide angle lens. I thought it would be great and would work as a GoPro replacement. But I gave up on that after one attempt. It does work well as a gps unit. But I can’t seem to make it work as a camera in that environment. And I use my phone as a camera all the time—just not on the kayak.
Fingers to wet to operate?

This is the phone I have https://www.verizonwireless.com/smartphones/kyocera-duraforce-pro/  It's nice because it is waterproof and as long as you have enough light, the image and sound quality is decent. I'm more into still photography than videography, but phones have some serious downsides you should consider.
     1. storage
     2. quality
     3. cost
     4. battery life

If I were you (and I'm not), I would get an older second hand GoPro. You probably don't need the latest and greatest and you can dick around with it to see if it is something you really think you want to invest in. Like DG said, you will be SAD if something happens to your storage. Invest in some cloud storage, it is relatively inexpensive and even if your house burnt down around you you could recover your footage.
Thank you for that.  Back up to da max...
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: NowhereMan on March 07, 2018, 07:22:21 PM
...but phones have some serious downsides you should consider.
     1. storage
     2. quality
     3. cost
     4. battery life
...

This! And more... Just does not compare to GoPro, or even a cheap GoPro knockoff, IMHO (I’ve got a discontinued Garmin that I got for less than $100). I suspect phones will one day be good enough, but I don’t think they are a realistic kayak fishing video option just yet.

Btw, I’d be happy if someone proves me wrong!
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 08, 2018, 08:18:31 AM
Found this...

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/pho/d/gopro-hero4-silver/6519197360.html

?
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 09, 2018, 11:21:12 AM
Going back to the phone, turns out the iPhone 8 is just as in depth a video cam as the go pro 6, I know.....enough of this and post a vid already....stay tuned... :smt006
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: DG on March 09, 2018, 11:51:39 AM
Going back to the phone, turns out the iPhone 8 is just as in depth a video cam as the go pro 6, I know.....enough of this and post a vid already....stay tuned... :smt006
Still waiting
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Der_Huntsman on March 09, 2018, 03:26:27 PM
Going back to the phone, turns out the iPhone 8 is just as in depth a video cam as the go pro 6, I know.....enough of this and post a vid already....stay tuned... :smt006

Cheapest Iphone 8 I found in a 25 second not in depth search was $775. You want to risk getting $775 wet or sent to Davey Jones' Locker?
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 09, 2018, 05:52:03 PM
Going back to the phone, turns out the iPhone 8 is just as in depth a video cam as the go pro 6, I know.....enough of this and post a vid already....stay tuned... :smt006

Cheapest Iphone 8 I found in a 25 second not in depth search was $775. You want to risk getting $775 wet or sent to Davey Jones' Locker?
I hear ya'.  We got a 2 for one deal recently.  These phones are pretty waterproof for longer and deeper than specs.  The Temdan case has a floating tether and is ultra waterproof.  Still gonna have it leashed and locked down pretty good.  Worst case insurance may cost 100 for new phone.
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: SlackedTide on March 09, 2018, 06:15:21 PM
I’d get 2 go pro knock offs and a video editing software, the kids laptop... doesn’t take much to make videos.  Just plenty of free time...to edit.
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Eddie on March 22, 2018, 06:59:06 AM
Throwin' it up...much improvement needed...learned some stuff...this is from China Camp on March 19

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du3oQvHaKS8
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: Sailfish on March 22, 2018, 11:22:20 AM
Thanks for the video Eddie.
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: MotherLoad on March 22, 2018, 01:04:43 PM
looking forward to more Eddie, fun watch
Title: Re: Videos are cool
Post by: CptSloppywood on March 22, 2018, 04:43:22 PM
Very funny! That's Eddie!!!