NorCal Kayak Anglers
Kayak Fishing Zone => KayakFishingMagazine.net => Topic started by: Bushy on July 09, 2016, 01:14:52 PM
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Check it out
http://www.kayakfishingmagazine.net/articles/102-current-issue-featured-articles-on-kayak-fishing/2988-game-changer-predator-pdl.html
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117 lb beast!
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Not a fan of the weight, but I'd love to take it for a spin. The inability to go in reverse has always bugged me with the Hobies.
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That's heavy! And 21 pounds for the drive. Also heavy. I think the Mirage is between 7 and eight pounds. If one has an easy wheel right to the water spot for a launch then the weight doesn't matter as much but crossing a long stretch of uphill sand mixed with baby head sized rocks might be a bit much.
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Definetly some new competition, I'd be interested to demo it. They're going to have to PROVE them selve to hobies standard...
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I dunno. 117 lb is a good weight for an eating pig, but a boat that weight needs a trailer and a ramp to launch.
;-D
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I think the Mirage is between 7 and eight pounds.
My bad on the weight of the Mirage Drive. Out of curiosity I weighed my drive. 14.88 pounds. Solid arms and SS mtb pedals so a stock drive with hollow arms and plastic pedals might be a couple pounds less.
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Looks like a barge. My knees hurt just thinking about pedaling it.
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Does it come with a hernia belt?
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Does it come with a hernia belt?
Maybe a stand-up fighting belt..... I for one am really looking forward to testing the monster. Though you know I love paddling this boat might convince me to , at least, possess an option.
I should have a test drive and review mid-week.
Bushy
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They say the max speed is 5.5 mph. That's pretty good.
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Is it a retro fit for the XL?
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I doubt it because the XL has foot rudder controls and the seat can't be moved forward/back.
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They say the max speed is 5.5 mph.
Over Niagara Falls?
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Does it come with a hernia belt?
And how much does the fully rigged Pro Angler weigh. Ive lifted those before. It was a bitch. So its really not that different is it. Man up. Buahahahahahah
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Well a PA 14 is 145.5 lbs, so that 117 lb weight isn't that bad for what you are getting. I'd like to check one out.
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It's Interesting that they act like it hasn't been done before.......
#lovemyslayerpropel!
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I'm interested to see how hobie responds to all the different manufacturers having a drive with reverse. Will they act like it doesn't exist? Will they make one themselves? Or will they make one and dump the current style completely. Interesting to see what comes in the next few years
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One of the pros to the mirage drive is that parts are user replaceable. On the propel drive and old town unit looks like if something breaks then the whole drive would need to be shipped to the manufacter to fix.
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The drive unit looks very much like a Sea Cycle drive. Meyers Boat Co. in Michigan owns Sea Cycle and their pontoon hulls driven by a Sea Cycle pedal drive. Made in USA. They use a "twisted chain" system instead of a gearbox to change the direction of rotation to the prop from the cranks. Relatively simple in design so will have minimum mechanical issues. As I see it the benefit over the Hobie is having reverse. Continuous rotation is more efficient in energy use than the push push of a Mirage Drive. Less fatigue over distance sort of thing. Hobie fins can be used in shallower water and they do have a lot of torque for short speed bursts. As was mentioned, repairs are fairly easy with the Mirage. I'm still thinking about setting up a glass SIK with a full rotational pedal drive but $800 or $900 bucks is more than I want to pay for an experiment.
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All the parts in a propel drive are self serviceable
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Look up Hobie drive Patents. Patent pending.............
I did not say this!!!
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Look up Hobie drive Patents. Patent pending.............
I did not say this!!!
thank you sir! :smt002
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http://patents.justia.com/assignee/hobie-cat-company
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Strangely enough, if you scroll down...they originally filed that exact same patent claim in May 2014..?
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I',ll tell you one thing this will paddle better than any hobie PA ot outback! I bought the XL and found it definitely heavier than my xfactor but man what a fun kayak to paddle. I just love it . Super stable and comfortable
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I'm interested to see how hobie responds to all the different manufacturers having a drive with reverse. Will they act like it doesn't exist? Will they make one themselves? Or will they make one and dump the current style completely. Interesting to see what comes in the next few years
Hobie is coming out with reversible mirage drive next year. Looks pretty cool.
https://www.hobiecat.com/blog/hobie-introduces-miragedrive-180-forward-reverse-system,562/
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cool- I'd buy it-- I might buy it--I need to see one and maybe try one -but I like it more than others I've seen/thought about buying..just to not look like a tuna from under would be cool...lot of nooks and crannies to soak up that stink and looks like lots of stuff that can break off or corrode in time ...weight??-non issue--two trips--carry it easy...maybe :smt003
wasted space here and there maybe?looks cramped???
looks COOL
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Must say it's interesting to see some of the comments on the new Predator PDL. Reminds me of when people believed if you drove a car over 20 MPH it would kill you, tomatoes were poisonius, and the earth was flat.
Try one out before you trash talk it - you may be surprised how much you like it - I was. Sold my Hobie Tandem Island and upgraded to the Predator. So far so good. Hobie now has some serious competition.
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I dunno. 117 lb is a good weight for an eating pig, but a boat that weight needs a trailer and a ramp to launch.
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TANKAGE!
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I would love to try one. Definitely a little heavier than I would want.
But honestly, how many people here have several kayaks for different types of fishing ? :smt001
I love my hobie outback but there are times I really enjoy my trident 13 for its weight and ease of use when I like keeping it simple.
Alex
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I get mine on Thursday and cant wait.. I am going to take it out on the Sac river Sunday and will post a report after that.
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Am I the only one who thinks that COG looks really high? Looks even higher than the new style Hobie seats, which I also thought looked high...
I'd love to try one in rough conditions water some time. Curious if I'd feel like a rag doll getting tossed around by every wave...
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Am I the only one who thinks that COG looks really high? Looks even higher than the new style Hobie seats, which I also thought looked high...
I'd love to try one in rough conditions water some time. Curious if I'd feel like a rag doll getting tossed around by every wave...
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I agree. I think it does look awfully high. Definitely looks more like a lake/flat day in the salt type of yak but who knows.
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Am I the only one who thinks that COG looks really high?
No.
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SO I took the PDL to Lake Mendo last Sunday. Damn it is HEAVY.... 117 pounds. thankfully the PDL Drive comes out(-21 pounds). I was so supersized by the stability of it. I like may here thought COG maybe off due to the seat being so high. When one of the boats went flying by I turned the yak sideways to see how it would take a boat wake and it did just fine. The seat is a bit loose due to the size of the of the seat peg and the hole that it goes into on the slide-lock system, but easy to get used to. it has great speed and maneuverability even when backpedaling. I like that they moved the side pocket forward and made them bigger. with the handle on top of the drive it is way easier to stand up and fish. I am not a big fan of the new redesigned back handle.
Lake test = great.
Ocean test Next.
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Ya the weight is what sucks. I have a Hobie Revo and it weights 92 lbs and heavy for me as it is. That's a nice kayak though. Probabbly better to tow it.
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Am I the only one who thinks that COG looks really high? Looks even higher than the new style Hobie seats, which I also thought looked high...
I'd love to try one in rough conditions water some time. Curious if I'd feel like a rag doll getting tossed around by every wave...
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Considering the seat on my Slayer Propels are as high, then yes. It is high. But they do not affect stability one bit. I've never felt unstable in my SPs, so I doubt that the PDL is any less stable.