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General => Fish Talk => Topic started by: Yosemite Rob on November 06, 2017, 04:52:46 PM

Title: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Yosemite Rob on November 06, 2017, 04:52:46 PM
I'd like to share my experience yesterday at Half Moon Bay with a drive-by of a great white shark while crabbing. I would like to preface that encounters like this probably happen more often than any of us are ever aware and sharks more than likely exercise restraint over attack. I think this is especially true in my case since I was doing things that likely put me at greater risk and have certainly now made me more the wiser! I am a fisheries biologist by trade with a degree in Marine Biology and I am 100% certain of my positive ID, so here's my story.

It was a beautiful morning for set up and launch with morning clouds, no wind and favorable ocean conditions. I peddled solo outside the jetty mouth to the left about 0.75 mi in 30-35 fow. I found an area with birds working and huge bait balls of anchovies. I set a Promar trap first baited with Costco Salmon that I lost in a power outage this summer. I then proceeded to set three rings with the same bait about 100yds apart. I had about 20-25 lbs of frozen rockfish (ling, cab, verms) in two plastic shopping bags from my last cleaning that I was in the process of thawing to break apart and add additional bait to the set before the incoming tide was in full swing. On my second cycling through the traps I was only being gifted with red rock crabs and started to add some old procure in almost every flavor imaginable to some scent jars. Wanting to have the most fresh bait possible, I decided to speed up the thawing process by placing the frozen blocks of fish into the water. I clipped one shopping bag with a carabiner directly to the side of the yak and placed the second icefish ball inside my abalone bag that I also use to hold my crabs. Upon pulling the second ring I noticed I had amassed a pretty good school of mackerel around my revo as bits and pieces of fish flushed out from the mesh on the bottom of the ab bag. It was quite a show to watch them in the crystal clear water and skies letting way to full sun now. As a peddled over to trap number three with a good rockfish chum slick at this point I am sure, I set the crab line in the Scotty pulley and began to hoist. I felt a little weight and began to pull up steadily. When the trap was visible next to the kayak about 3-4 feet down is when I noticed a large object swimming just beyond it. I first saw the head just out from, but below the trap in about 5-6 fow but nothing registered as the trap quickly blocked its view, then I saw the dorsal and my interest started to grow, but not quite startled yet. At the same time I saw the dorsal I noticed the the tell-tale gray back and white underside, and then I saw the caudal fin with the unmistakable distinct upper lobe of an almost symmetrical tail as it came in to view and I started chanting out loud OH F--K! OH F--K!  OH F--K!  OH F--K! My first instinct for whatever reason was wanting to know how big it was. Since it was parallel to my 13ft revo the dorsal was aligned with my seat while the tail with the end of the kayak minus the rudder. The shark was merely gliding past me slowly at this point like it had just stopped swimming. It later seemed very graceful to me as the tail was not moving at all, but in the moment I remembered feeling completely helpless. I started telling myself remain calm and act. I recognized that the shark was likely a juvenile (8-10 ft) but I was unsure whether that meant it would come back for another look or test bite or simply move on. My next reaction was to drop my ring back down a few feet while I scrambled to release the heavy frozen rockfish chum balls. I had a similar experience off Santa Cruz a few years ago white seabass fishing when a large object was passing under me repeatedly getting closer in depth with each pass but nothing coming up for air. At that point I released all four rods with 4-6 oz weights to varying depths as a deterrent as I paddled back in without incident. Back in HMB I was able to get the first bag released, but it was now bobbing next to me, shit I gotta get outta here. Luckily I remembered to pull the ring in before I ran it over with the mirage drive. I peddled a short distance away from the ball and tried to release the second icefish block in my ab bag, but I could not back out the carabiner from the eyelet of my seat anchor and panic started setting in. I remembered that I had my SharkTec repellent in my life jacket so I threw that around my neck and was able to release the second ball of chum and peddle away.  My next steps were to start retrieving each trap one-by-one from last to first and I headed back to the jetty mouth. When close I made a call on CH69 to other yakkers alerting them of my encounter and to be safe. Once back at the mouth I remember feeling a bit silly and tried to pep talk my way back out thinking the shark was smaller than the yak, get back out there, but I couldn't do it. Even after hearing people starting to pull limits on the radio the vision of that upper lobe of the tail popped back in my head and it was right back on the nope train to F-thatville! I was back on the beach by 11am. My wife had texted me earlier in the morning before I launched saying I had left my Sharkbanz magnetic bracelet on my dresser. I replied with the scream emoji, Not sure what effect if any that would ultimately would have had but sure glad I did not end up in the drink for shark or panic. I was impressed that with one exception (cut-up procure bottle) I came in with everything I left with including the used shopping bags. Even under pressure, I thought it was irresponsible to leave anything (traps lines, trash, etc.) behind out there.

The whole three hour ride home that I managed to turn into five hours with a stop at Bass Pro and Tractor Supply, if I thought of the images that day continuously I was ok, the minute my mind wandered and the image reappeared and that tail flashes in my mind, I relive the experience. Something that is still true a day after and perhaps more days to come. I think the obvious is stated above about venturing solo, bait handling etc., but what I don't know is what was the intention of the shark? Was it about to attack? Did I deter it during the final seconds when I was about to lift my trap out of the water? Was the shark suddenly less interested in me and more the upcoming trap and deviated in the those seconds? I don't know, all I know is that I saw the shark, it saw me and we both continued on our way without incident.

Thanks for reading,

Best,

Rob     
   
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: bmb on November 06, 2017, 05:01:23 PM
Rob, Good to hear you're none the worse for wear other than some heebee jeebies.  I was out there a couple times in the evening this summer, all alone, and I had that weird shark spider sense going on as well.  There's no doubts the landlord cruises that area when you consider the huge amount of food there with bait and salmon and pinnipeds.
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: LoletaEric on November 06, 2017, 05:19:10 PM
At least we got to hear from you, old buddy!

Glad you’re in one piece.   Good calls out there, and thx for sharing your experience with us. 

:smt001
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: yakyakyak on November 06, 2017, 05:48:32 PM

Thank you for sharing, I thought I was the only one that carries a SharkTec!  I've always wondered if I can deploy it properly at the moment of need.  Thanks again for sharing, glad everything is all OK.

Others had shared the 'eerie' feeling before an attack or a presence.  Did you get that feeling too?

Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Tsuri on November 06, 2017, 05:53:51 PM
Really well written, my favorite parts were;

"Even after hearing people starting to pull limits on the radio the vision of that upper lobe of the tail popped back in my head and it was right back on the nope train to F-thatville!"


"Even under pressure, I thought it was irresponsible to leave anything (traps lines, trash, etc.) behind out there."

That's impressive!

Thanks for the clear description of the encounter.
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: rnrgeek on November 06, 2017, 06:13:41 PM
I was talking to you on the radio after this happened. I had a ling That I had just bled out and 3 rockfish hanging off the side of my kayak. Back in the boat they go. I pulled my traps and got out of there
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: HamachiJohn on November 06, 2017, 07:14:58 PM
An annual reminder for us to be aware of who's ocean we are paddling around in... glad you are safe, other than possibly soiled pants, which would have been me.
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: KPD on November 06, 2017, 08:07:27 PM
Thanks for sharing that. Really glad you made it back OK.

Salmon, procure, and 25 lbs of rockfish dangled over the side: you'd have to assume there was something wrong with the shark if it didn't come see what was making all the nice smells.

I'm excited to hear about the mackerel. Were they good sized, or just little ones?

Krishna
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: vwool on November 06, 2017, 08:36:59 PM
Crazy, glad to hear you are ok. I heard about this from Naoaki on Sunday, gave me goosebumps reading your post.
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: B0B on November 06, 2017, 08:45:13 PM
sharkbait for sure!

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Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Tez on November 06, 2017, 09:01:48 PM

Salmon, procure, and 25 lbs of rockfish dangled over the side: you'd have to assume there was something wrong with the shark if it didn't come see what was making all the nice smells.


Don't forget the hobie fins flapping around like a seal.  :smt001 Definitely glad to hear you are ok.   Stay safe
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: boosted on November 06, 2017, 09:07:16 PM
i was otw as well when you put that out, i didn't stay too much longer... lol. glad you made it back ok, a friendly reminder that we're just guests on the wide open blue.
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Nolanduke on November 06, 2017, 09:30:43 PM
Thanks for sharing!  My buddy and I were out near the Mavericks green can fishing.  Gorgeous morning and day.  Though all I got was a starfish.  Fishing seemed slow  :smt102
Good thing the landlord never goes over near the reef.  :smt044
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: agoodhi on November 08, 2017, 11:19:30 AM
heard you on the radio as well while I was fishing out by the red can. i continued fishing but keep looking around for the landlord. i also noticed there were no seals hanging out on the green can. when i went to check my pots, i tried not to dangle my legs over for too long. glad it was just a drive by and you made it back safe!  i think i might have met you at the launch that morning (dune OB).

--ry
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Str8FishiN on November 08, 2017, 11:57:19 AM
Glad you're safe Rob! 

Not too long ago, one of my friends that's not on NCKA, hooked onto a juvenile GWS just outside of the Jaws while trolling for salmon.  I used to fish HMB a lot by myself....not anymore! 
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: HamachiJohn on November 08, 2017, 02:36:17 PM
Glad you're safe Rob! 

Not too long ago, one of my friends that's not on NCKA, hooked onto a juvenile GWS just outside of the Jaws while trolling for salmon.  I used to fish HMB a lot by myself....not anymore!
Just outside the jaws? That's crazy!  Any size estimate on the juvi GWS?
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Str8FishiN on November 08, 2017, 02:54:54 PM
Glad you're safe Rob! 

Not too long ago, one of my friends that's not on NCKA, hooked onto a juvenile GWS just outside of the Jaws while trolling for salmon.  I used to fish HMB a lot by myself....not anymore!
Just outside the jaws? That's crazy!  Any size estimate on the juvi GWS?

I forget how long but there were a few NCKAers following him throughout the whole thing.  They all came back looking like they saw a ghost  :white
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: yakyakyak on November 08, 2017, 02:58:09 PM

about 3-5 weeks ago or so?



Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Sailfish on November 08, 2017, 03:17:42 PM
Glad you're ok.  Thanks for sharing your LL encounter Rob.
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: fishtacoz88 on November 08, 2017, 03:57:51 PM
Scary Stuff, I might consider picking one of these Sharktec cans as well.
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Yosemite Rob on November 08, 2017, 10:14:49 PM

Others had shared the 'eerie' feeling before an attack or a presence.  Did you get that feeling too?

No eerie feeling at all, I was truly enjoying the beautiful day otw. I never would have suspected in 35 fow I was at risk. Crab was the only thing on my mind
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Yosemite Rob on November 08, 2017, 10:16:40 PM
At least we got to hear from you, old buddy!

Glad you’re in one piece.   Good calls out there, and thx for sharing your experience with us. 

:smt001

Thanks Eric!
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Yosemite Rob on November 08, 2017, 10:20:42 PM
Rob, Good to hear you're none the worse for wear other than some heebee jeebies.  I was out there a couple times in the evening this summer, all alone, and I had that weird shark spider sense going on as well.  There's no doubts the landlord cruises that area when you consider the huge amount of food there with bait and salmon and pinnipeds.

Thanks Ben, sharktober/early November was not even on the radar, but there was so much bait around something perhaps should have clicked
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Yosemite Rob on November 08, 2017, 10:24:13 PM

Thank you for sharing, I thought I was the only one that carries a SharkTec!  I've always wondered if I can deploy it properly at the moment of need.  Thanks again for sharing, glad everything is all OK.

Others had shared the 'eerie' feeling before an attack or a presence.  Did you get that feeling too?

I know it won't stop a full breach-style attack, but if I ever wind up in the water I'd least I'd have something. Like my grandpa used to say "can it help, couldn't hurt!"
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Yosemite Rob on November 08, 2017, 10:26:09 PM
Quote from: KPD link=topic=81134.msg926366#msg926366 date=
I'm excited to hear about the mackerel. Were they good sized, or just little ones?

Krishna
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The mackerel were cool to see, I'd say most were 10-12"
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Yosemite Rob on November 08, 2017, 10:27:57 PM
Really well written, my favorite parts were;

"Even after hearing people starting to pull limits on the radio the vision of that upper lobe of the tail popped back in my head and it was right back on the nope train to F-thatville!"


"Even under pressure, I thought it was irresponsible to leave anything (traps lines, trash, etc.) behind out there."

That's impressive!

Thanks for the clear description of the encounter.

Thanks! I didn't realize it was so long until it was posted!
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Yosemite Rob on November 08, 2017, 10:30:16 PM

Salmon, procure, and 25 lbs of rockfish dangled over the side: you'd have to assume there was something wrong with the shark if it didn't come see what was making all the nice smells.


Don't forget the hobie fins flapping around like a seal.  :smt001 Definitely glad to hear you are ok.   Stay safe

I know, I thought I ditched yum-yum Yellow for a more favorable color, but now I'm thinking olive with flappy fins perhaps not so good!
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Yosemite Rob on November 08, 2017, 10:33:46 PM
heard you on the radio as well while I was fishing out by the red can. i continued fishing but keep looking around for the landlord. i also noticed there were no seals hanging out on the green can. when i went to check my pots, i tried not to dangle my legs over for too long. glad it was just a drive by and you made it back safe!  i think i might have met you at the launch that morning (dune OB).

--ry

Yep, that was me next to you on the beach. Someone asked me if I saw seals around and I didn't see one all day, there usually are a few around stealing bait, maybe that should have been a sign
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Yosemite Rob on November 08, 2017, 10:36:37 PM
Glad you're safe Rob! 

Not too long ago, one of my friends that's not on NCKA, hooked onto a juvenile GWS just outside of the Jaws while trolling for salmon.  I used to fish HMB a lot by myself....not anymore!

Thanks Jason! That must of been one hell of ride! Suddenly an AI is looking very tempting..
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Eddie on November 08, 2017, 10:40:23 PM
I finally put 2 and 2 together....long time no see Rob....glad you are well and did not know you were a professional fish guy....good stuff.  Happy Thanksgiving down the road! :smt006
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Tote on November 09, 2017, 06:13:17 AM
Shark Tech...didn't even know it existed. Will definitely look into it.
I'm pretty sure I would have tied that onto the kayak and deployed it into the water.
Glad your encounter was only a sighting and nothing more. I'm sure it immediately put things into perspective.
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: FisHunter on November 09, 2017, 10:23:22 AM
HOLY SHIT! small or big, it does make one think about being out in the ocean, on a piece of plastic.
Glad you made it out alive and no blood was spilled Rob. I still suffer to this day and it aint a good feeling at all.
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Darius (Burong Isda) on November 09, 2017, 10:32:04 AM
Wow! That must have been intense. I had a drive by at Shelter Cove 2 years ago, I still remember when it just went to pause and suspended under my kayak, I don't know what to do. until something splash not too far, I saw the swing of that tails and ripples it made. I'm still processing on what could have happen if I made a wrong move. I'm investing on Sharkbanz soon.
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Str8FishiN on November 09, 2017, 11:29:17 AM
Glad you're safe Rob! 

Not too long ago, one of my friends that's not on NCKA, hooked onto a juvenile GWS just outside of the Jaws while trolling for salmon.  I used to fish HMB a lot by myself....not anymore!

Thanks Jason! That must of been one hell of ride! Suddenly an AI is looking very tempting..

I was thinking the same thing!  Must get an AI again ASAP!!! 
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: garyjwebb on November 09, 2017, 04:34:11 PM
Try jumping off a dive boat to find one hovering directly underneath it. 
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Yosemite Rob on November 11, 2017, 06:48:58 AM
I finally put 2 and 2 together....long time no see Rob....glad you are well and did not know you were a professional fish guy....good stuff.  Happy Thanksgiving down the road! :smt006

Thanks Eddie, maybe I should try crabbing the bay!
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Yosemite Rob on November 11, 2017, 07:04:36 AM
Shark Tech...didn't even know it existed. Will definitely look into it.
I'm pretty sure I would have tied that onto the kayak and deployed it into the water.
Glad your encounter was only a sighting and nothing more. I'm sure it immediately put things into perspective.

 Here's a link with some videos

https://www.sharktecdefense.com/

I thought about deploying it, but realized I still had to get in and might still need along the way. The can I carry is small but seems to release over a seconds but not minutes.

I also wear this in case of a full hit and I'm either knocked out or scrambling something is being immediately released as soon as it gets wet

http://www.rutgrenade.com/store/shark-repellent/21-shark-repellent-reusable.html

Sharkbanz is a magnetic anklet deterrent I also usually bring but forgot this day. Again mostly if I wind up I n the water not preventive

Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Yosemite Rob on November 11, 2017, 07:10:06 AM
HOLY SHIT! small or big, it does make one think about being out in the ocean, on a piece of plastic.
Glad you made it out alive and no blood was spilled Rob. I still suffer to this day and it aint a good feeling at all.

Thanks! You were actually the first person I thought of Adam! I remember thinking having the experience is one thing, not knowing if it's over and if the shark is coming back was the worst part for me. Can't imagine what that was like for you!
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Yosemite Rob on November 11, 2017, 08:08:00 AM
Try jumping off a dive boat to find one hovering directly underneath it.

Nope!
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: achu on November 14, 2017, 11:44:14 AM
good story. thanks
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Sin Coast on November 14, 2017, 06:55:32 PM
Dang, Rob! I don't know how I missed your post but glad your're doing well--and thanks for taking the time to share your experience.
And honestly, I hadn't heard of Sharktec, Sharkbanz, OR the Shark Repellant! So, thanks for that too.
Title: Re: HMB 11/5/17 Great White Drive-by
Post by: Cabeza de Martillo on November 14, 2017, 10:20:23 PM
Dang, Rob! I don't know how I missed your post but glad your're doing well--and thanks for taking the time to share your experience.
And honestly, I hadn't heard of Sharktec, Sharkbanz, OR the Shark Repellant! So, thanks for that too.

Dude really????

You mean to tell me you've never heard of shark repellent or bands???

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9dghbyBaQyI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A3ytTKZf344