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Topic: Preaching the PFD message ...  (Read 7252 times)

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I posted this on facebook last night, and started a mini-shitstorm.  Thought it might be good fodder for discussion here.  Have at it!

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I know I might receive a bit of heat for this ...

Who are you to tell me to always wear a PFD? Are you the same person that tells me I must use a bicycle helmet, wear a seatbelt, or cross in the crosswalk? Meh! I think it's better to educate people, but still leave the decision up to them. Education does not mean bullying, or goading, or guilting. I know when I need a PFD, but I also know when it is below my risk tolerance, and at those times may choose not to wear one. So what of it?


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All you can do is preach it. 

People take risks in all sorts of ways.  I am pretty much tired of telling people how dangerous it is to go into 50 degree water without one.  Now I just tell them how to call the coast guard and that they have to speak clear while they are in shock so that someone may be able to come and help but most likely after they are so cold they can't hang on any longer.  Then they say with what radio. 

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Yeah, I make a point of mentioning PFDs when talking to folks I know are just getting into paddling, but I don't mention it anymore to randos on the water or in the parking lot. I just steer clear of them now sadly.

folks are always going to get them selves wrecked not matter what information they have been given.

My problem with the whole "I know when I need a PFD, but I also know when it is below my risk tolerance, and at those times may choose not to wear one. So what of it?" argument is that things tend to transition from "no problem" to "big problem" faster than anyone can don a PFD that is stored in a hatch.
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I don't bother preaching it to most people. Someone that a is sincerely interested, that is another story.
As for me, I know what I'm doing, I've learned from my experiences and those of others. I don't need safety Nazis preaching to me. Damn, I hate the safety Nazis!
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things tend to transition from "no problem" to "big problem" faster than anyone can don a PFD that is stored in a hatch

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My problem with the whole "I know when I need a PFD, but I also know when it is below my risk tolerance, and at those times may choose not to wear one. So what of it?" argument is that things tend to transition from "no problem" to "big problem" faster than anyone can don a PFD that is stored in a hatch.
but whaddya gon do?

I trust in my skills to assess the situation such that I would have chosen to wear a PFD in this case.  Note, I wear a PFD 99.9% of the time.  However, it was pointed out on fb that my argument should be less about me.  So let's take "me" out of this equation.  My problem is with the safety cop attitude that many take, one that does not foster an atmosphere of education and growth.

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It's America. Everyone has the God given right to die of stupidity. I know I wear one, so that's me covered.
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It's America. Everyone has the God given right to die of stupidity. I know I wear one, so that's me covered.

This sentiment in this statement is part of the problem.  First, you assume someone is going to die.  Second, you assume they are stupid if they do.

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But if I keep it to myself...how is that at all effecting you...or whomever the hypothetical person is?
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But if I keep it to myself...how is that at all effecting you...or whomever the hypothetical person is?

But you didn't keep it to yourself.   :smt002

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As an avid kayaker I have never really been much of a PFD police, more of one that will put on my PFD, make sure my kids have theirs on and go play in the water.  To newbies interested in fishing within my circle, I will point out the benefits of wearing one, as well as the pitfalls of not wearing one.  It is their choice in the end as to whether they wear one or not, but will be fishing alone.  This has never failed me.

Folks in the wild that I do get to chatting with that are Micheal Phelps in their own minds saying that PFD's are for pussies get reassured that if I am the responder to their near drowning experience, it will come at a price.  That price is not negotiated up front and will be swift, knowing how a panicking victim can cause harm to myself in the course of helping them.  I will reduce this harm to myself, while still providing assistance to the Micheal Phelps currently at the mercy of God.  To this day, I have not had to exercise my payment plan for a failing Micheal Phelps.   

Great topic to keep on your mind while playing on the water.
« Last Edit: July 06, 2017, 10:36:59 AM by INSAYN »
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Bottom line, I wear one for the people with me, my family, and the responders that  (god forbid) might be looking for me.
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Because we are having a discussion? I thought that was the point of this lol. My brain just exploded:light
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