trolling lure designed for kayak

I just saw this on the Meagbait website:

Joint JB-120 - Slow Troll jointed plug perfect for kayakand sailboat trolling at 3-4knots. Dives 7 to 10 ft easily. Great for stripers or mackinaw. Floating.

http://www.pacemarine.com/newpace/pacemarineframeset.htm

Seems interesting that they would market this for kayak use. Maybe troll one of those around the bay for Stripers. When people here talk about using Megabaits for Rockfish are they usually talking about the Live Jigs. If so do you carry more than one size or just go whole hog and get the big ones for Lings?

I have seen this lure too.

There are a class of lures designed for sailboats, (slower trolling speeds), and I think those have been around for a while. Also they used to troll slower even in powerboats. There is a hawaiian web site somewhere that specializes in these slower-trolling lures for sailboats.

kayak speeds and sailboat speeds are in the displacement (non-planing) hull category, limited by hull length as explained in that article on kayak design a while back.  So what works for a sailboat should work for a kayak, assuming you can kayak where a sailboat can go which isn't always true.

oh wait, here it is: http://www.hawaiifishinglures.com/

pretty interesting reading.

the mexfishing dudes like the jointed plugs too.
www.mexfishing.com

I don't see anything special in this lure that makes it a kayak lure or a sailboat lure.  Seems like a marketing ploy.  Almost any billed lure works well at 3-4 knots.  Often times with these sorts of lures, they are comparing blue water trolling techniques.  When offshore, trolling lures at 6-8 knots and above is common and using skirted jigs is the norm at those speeds.  Many billed lure have problems at those speed.  And most of the skirted jigs are less appealing at the slower speeds.   So the obvious for a sailboat is to troll a billed lure at the slower speeds.

-Allen

they have skirted lures that work at lower speeds. check the hawaiian website. basically 2-7 knots, which is still pretty fast for a kayak.

I have never trolled a skirted lure from a kayak, but there are spots along the sea of cortez where dorado are close to shore at times and it might be the call there. maybe also in hawaii. I don't know.

but basically I agree with you, to say the lure is a 'kayak' lure is marketing for sure.

but the issue of slight advantage coming from trolling a jointed plug vs a non-jointed plug from a kayak in the cases that a trolled plug is the way to go is probably is worthy of some debate.

they have skirted lures that work at lower speeds. check the hawaiian website.

Yes they do.  I did not mean to say that skirted lures won't work at low speeds.  Even hootchies are skirted lures.  But they may lose some action at slower speeds.  Indeed a hootchie behind a flasher is more appealing than a solo one ... the flasher adding "action".

This can turn into a long discussion as I believe there are many nuances of offshore fishing.  For instance, tuna tend to like lures with relatively little action.  But then below 5 knots the same lifeless lures seem to be less productive.  Why?  I have my theories ....

-Allen

skirts and lure....here's what I came up with =

http://store1.yimg.com/I/hawaiian-tropical-flowers_1856_755093

Joel... I bet if you tie a line to its neck, attach a hook to the base, and jig that thing, you'd still catch a ling with it.

You mean like this?

-Allen

Hey...Allen... you stole that from my tackle box!

Here's CPkayak's new lure.  Now he can fish, smoke, and open his beer bottles with it.

Naw Chuck!!!  I stole this one from your box.

-Allen

Don't laugh Allen.  I caught a big crappie on that one!

NICE  

that's it. time-outs for all you guys!   it's one minute for each year of age, so that should keep some of you quiet for a while!

I read the flasher gives off vibrations that mimic a salmon itself. One salmon senses the other is feeding, heads over to check it out, sees the hoochie, bam.

so the small lure gives of bait-fish vibrations, the flasher or dodger gives off feeding-fish vibrations.

A hoochie by itself gives off no vibrations, and salmon don't see that well so it doesn't work very well.

sounds plausible, but reading ain't catchin.

And on that whole question about tuna and offshore trolling, I have no clue. I have been on 1 offshore party boat, they trolled 'feathers' which were really skirted lures and we caught tuna, dorado, and wahoo all on the same lures, not to mention the shark that ate my tuna. giant diesel party boat! This was in the florida keys.

OK.  My time out is over ... time for more pics.  

Sorry, couldn't resist.  Feel free to delete if this is inappropriate.

-Allen

THAT is a perfect lure when the fish are NOT biting....