NorCal Kayak Anglers
Kayak Fishing Zone => Safety First => Topic started by: & on September 18, 2015, 11:04:35 AM
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"With Shark Shield, it’s safe to be wild."
- Shark Shield marketing claim. https://sharkshield.com/scientific-research/
"Objective claims for products or services represent explicitly or by implication that the advertiser has a reasonable basis supporting these claims."
- FTC claims substantiation policy. See https://www.ftc.gov/public-statements/1983/03/ftc-policy-statement-regarding-advertising-substantiation
Based on the objective advertising claims made by Shark Shield, interested how our membership feels about SS . . .
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I use mine and feel better doing so. If I get eaten by a shark while using it then my opinion will change.
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I use mine and feel better doing so. If I get eaten by a shark while using it then my opinion will change.
+1 - better than nothing.
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IMO, I think the SS might deter sharks from hanging around your yak but I don't think could prevent "top water explosions". It's like trying to stop a freight train goin full speed...
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Of all the encounters with GWS in kayaks how many were top water explosions and how many were "exploratory"?
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IMO, I think the SS might deter sharks from hanging around your yak but I don't think could prevent a "top water explosions". It's like trying to stop a freight train goin full speed...
+1
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I'm not gonna vote.
if you got the dinero & feel like it, get one
if not, then skip it but paddle with a buddy
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I am getting one as soon as I get the extra $$$.
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IMO, I think the SS might deter sharks from hanging around your yak but I don't think could prevent "top water explosions". It's like trying to stop a freight train goin full speed...
Interestingly, If you read the studies, the evidence suggest it actually works better on the ambush attacks than the exploratory.
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IMO, I think the SS might deter sharks from hanging around your yak but I don't think could prevent "top water explosions". It's like trying to stop a freight train goin full speed...
Interestingly, If you read the studies, the evidence suggest it actually works better on the ambush attacks than the exploratory.
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Although it might seem counterintuitive, that's what the (one and only) study shows.
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If they do some studies at Ano Nuevo, I'll buy one right after...
IMO, I think the SS might deter sharks from hanging around your yak but I don't think could prevent "top water explosions". It's like trying to stop a freight train goin full speed...
Interestingly, If you read the studies, the evidence suggest it actually works better on the ambush attacks than the exploratory.
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If they do some studies at Ano Nuevo, I'll buy one right after...
IMO, I think the SS might deter sharks from hanging around your yak but I don't think could prevent "top water explosions". It's like trying to stop a freight train goin full speed...
Interestingly, If you read the studies, the evidence suggest it actually works better on the ambush attacks than the exploratory.
I would like to see them do a double blind study with a towed bloody elephant seal carcass with a Shark Shield strapped on to it in front of Ano Nuevo or the Farallon Islands.
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Shark shields are for pussies...unless it's September or October in the red triangle. This is a good time to tell Mdoka Matt how much you appreciate him as a friend and how he's the baddest halibut fisherman you know and that you'd love to go on a mission with him sometime. Hey Matt ol buddy ol pal... :smt008 :smt006
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Here is the relevant study:
https://sharkshield.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Effects-of-an-Electric-Field-on-White-Sharks.pdf
Table 4 is the important info for kayakers. When they towed a seal decoy (off the coast of South Africa, where the sharks like to launch themselves when attacking seals---think "shark week"), they got 16 breaches and 27 surface interactions with the SS off. With the SS on (and a comparable number of experiments), they got 0 breaches and 2 surface interactions.
Of course, nobody knows why they got those results, but the theory seems to be that a shark has to expend a lot of energy on a breaching attack. So, the shark spends some time checking out the potential target, and the electric pulse is apparently enough to make it look like it's not worth the effort.
On the other hand, if there is feeding frenzy, the SS had no effect, presumably because the other positive reinforcement overwhelms the negative from the electric pulse.
At least that's the way I remember it from reading it a couple years ago...
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Sponsor Me Shark Shield!!!
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The electronics might do something but if you try to cover every safety thing with gear solutions you end up with too much stuff on your yak
I fished from south of Carmel up into mendo county 40+ years without one
Through the 70s and 80s I fished daily for long stretches all over the San Mateo coast, bean, pigeon point, Santa Cruz, above Scott creek, etc The only place I ever avoided completely was Ano Nuevo
I had a drive over one morning freediving at Pigeon Point by something big and not too long after the guy was eaten there so I lightened up on pigeon point for a while but really the beasts can turn up anywhere
Anybody on the ocean has the possibility to get hit, I have serious doubts any electronics are going to slow down a big breaching shark
Back when you started they were seriously endangered. From what is being reported they are coming back strong and that could cause more interactions with humans.
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i'm going to believe it works till someone is bit by a GWS. I know sharks snouts are very sensitive to Electrical current. they use those sensors to detect prey. But this emits a much stronger current. I took some marine biology, and it make sense. I've seen a trained Octopus at the Stanford Marine Biology Lab. They used small electrical impulses to train the Octopus. And I feel much better having one and so does my wife. I was asked at the slam down by a person with his wife present. He asked me what I thought. I looked at his wife and asked how much his life was worth. Her answer was silence, LOL. My wife was pissed when I mentioned that a few times I didn't have it with me. She wasn't silent after I said that. So I ask you guys what is piece of mind worth. That is a much better question.
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It is simple science
the only questions I had- have been tested and there is documented results
I also got to talk to the rep about recall or warranty issues they worked on---battery life---warranty for new units and life expectancy ---he knew the answers to my questions-- and was able to provide a history of the freedom 7's evolution and links to do my own research
does it 'call' a shark-no
will it stop a shark from attacking -yes
does it deter sharks from staying by your kayak -yes
there is no reason 'I' see that having one on board is not good ,prudent ,kayak fishing and diving safety in the pacific ocean
For sure an individual choice and I am not saying you'll get hit without one 100% or wont with one 100%
but I'm pretty sure your like 80% less likely to take a sky launch from a GWS or get followed for long ---that to me -even at 10% better odds is good enough--700$ aint that much money---piece of mind ---sure you could poke it in the eye with your paddle--but the shield dangling under the kayak or off a divers leg -does that for you first
its proven science
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I went to the shark shield presentation last week at Red Triangle Spearfishing. I watched their footage of white sharks breaching on towed seal decoys with the shield turned off. They had some crazy breach shots. According to them, they turned the sheild on and the sharks turned and stopped short of the decoy every time. I realize it is their own edited footage but it i am convinced i will benifit from using one. At the very least it will give me more confidence when im diving tomales and other spooky spots.
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Shark shields are for pussies...unless it's September or October in the red triangle. This is a good time to tell Mdoka Matt how much you appreciate him as a friend and how he's the baddest halibut fisherman you know and that you'd love to go on a mission with him sometime. Hey Matt ol buddy ol pal... :smt008 :smt006
:smt005
plus, once said fish is caught the SS can stun your trophy halibut :smt003
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and helmets are for pussy's
and having gloves is for pussy's and eye protection is for pussies
and seat belts are for pussies
and pfd and wet suits are for whimps
and so on---what I dont get--is who cares what someone else uses --I see guys riding motorcycles with bright yellow safety vests over their jacket---not my bag----is he/she a pussy...I doubt it--- in fact that person maybe is even smarter than me when it comes to surviving in traffic and avoiding assholes cutting them off---so really false bravado= lower I.Q
using a simple easy to operate/safe and proven ,safety device, to possibly deter a Carcharodon Carcharias when it is in full attack mode makes decent sense to me
think about it :smt003
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Shark shields are for pussies...unless it's September or October in the red triangle. This is a good time to tell Mdoka Matt how much you appreciate him as a friend and how he's the baddest halibut fisherman you know and that you'd love to go on a mission with him sometime. Hey Matt ol buddy ol pal... :smt008 :smt006
You are always invited to come fish with me Paul :smt001.
With 5 seasons in the MBay area under my belt, Ive had one drive by and one breach/bump. The bump was a high-speed and seemingly committed breach directed at my kayak. It actually made slight contact with the kayak, but aborted at the last possible moment. This was with no SS. Therefore I argue that a shark does have considerable ability to abort a high-speed attack if it wants to; and I believe a SS will give it good motivation to do so. At the very least it should dissuade a secondary attack, which is when a kayaker would get hurt. After that experience, I decided a SS was necessary for me and my fishing style and locale.
Now lets go get some butts Paul.
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Call me what you want, me and my buddy got checked out by a 15' white last December. Too close for comfort.... If the Shark shield will do anything to deter that shark even for a short time it's worth the money! I bought one!
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btw I saw this --this morning...contacted the seller and asked the born on date/purchase date , he got back to me...less than a year--no uses N.I.Box...never been wet etc
a person could save a bit here, on tax,I believe -and about 100 + just on the price..latest model 'Freedom 7' --for kayak and diving model
I wont be getting this one so ....I thought I'd pass on the deal I spied ---want to have one for my wife-was tempted to get this one
we'll just buy another new one direct from S-shield for her instead
anyways ---really decent deal here imo
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Shark-Shield-Freedom-7-/121761244673?ssPageName=ADME:X:eRTM:US:1123
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Yeah, I am planning to purchase a shark shield as well. 50% of something is better then nothing. Plus, I think I will attract more kayak fishing partners. I will save my fast food money and toss it in a jar....should have enough saved up by next year summer
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Ebay Item SOLD.... Missed it :smt010
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just get a fresh one from the reps...they give better deals in person- and the one they give you is new new
was not that good of a flebay price in hindsight--almost exact for a seminar price new
btw....some know me and my taking too much gear :smt003 ....I might just run 2 SSheilds :smt004..one front and back when my wife aint using hers... :smt044 :smt044
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or one
on each side of my seat
or one on the kayak and one dangling down 6 feet...lol.....no really.. I might :smt003
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any thoughts on using an older model shark shield? I know the retail cost is totally worth it, but if i can get a deal......
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Where did you shark shield owners purchase them?What's a fair price?Thanks tiny
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so the 'freedom 7' (the one for kayaks and divers) is 649$ before tax and shipping , on their main site ,as of 9/30/15
some dive shops -kayak shops that support the 10% ncka may be able to beat that and offer some ad ons??? not sure
one way I and multiple members have gotten lucky and got a new one--is to try and attend a presentation by their official reps at a shop or event etc--I got a great deal and have since talked to others here who got the same deal at other presentations at shops...not a ton cheaper but -50$ ,and a soft case, and a beefed up 3 yr warranty and hand shake- contact name -etc
I am buying a second one now and sent a email today 9/30/15 asking the Company for info on any upcoming rep presentations on the Ca coast---waiting to hear back
I also had wondered if members might get a deal on a dozen -or the like- if enough folks had an interest???
below is the link direct to the site and the page with the kayak /diving model
I looked and do not see the menu for the extended warranty
https://sharkshield.com/shop/freedom7/
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Thanks Craig.
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Yeah, I was wondering if they do group buys, to get more than 10% off.
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I am getting one as soon as I get the extra $$$.
Is it because you used Pshermans shark shield and it worked? :P
Ill get one if it ever comes down in price a few hundred.
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Where did you shark shield owners purchase them?What's a fair price?Thanks tiny
I got mine from red triangle spearfishing when they became a nor cal rep. I think he ran out after their presentation but was waiting for more. Doesn't hurt to give them a call.
As for a fair price I think if you can get it at or below six you will be saving from those retailers who jack the price up. Based on how many expected full charges the battery is supposed to handle that's only $2 a fishing day for a little piece of mind. I know people pay $8-10 to launch many spots and lose a bunch of cash on lures and lead so that's what finally sold me (really my wife made me get it). I am logging my dives and recharges to see how it plays out in real life.
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its insurance, if you like insurance then why not
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its insurance, if you like insurance then why not
+1. I've had mine for 4 years and have only gone a few hours otw w/out it. The battery lasts amazingly long and usually outlasts your will to fish.
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its insurance, if you like insurance then why not
More like preventive health care.
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Yay ! for it ! ,,, Nay, I don't have one.
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After this last weekend, I'm gonna get one. I missed Red Triangle's presentation because of work, so I'm hoping there will be another presentation sometime soon.
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After this last weekend, I'm gonna get one. I missed Red Triangle's presentation because of work, so I'm hoping there will be another presentation sometime soon.
I too have become SS curious and hope there will be another presentation soon, standing by for more info.
Better late than never I guess. :smt044
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here is the response I got today on their FB page 10-1-15
"Hi Craig, we don't have anything scheduled at the moment - possibly November or December...but we have to work around a scuba diving conference in November, plus Thanksgiving so timing is tough!"
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I tried to re structure my email for a one time solo request for another deal and as a follow up effort ,mentioned some of us 6-12 members possibly striking a deal in -bulk order-group buy???
waiting to hear back
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I am getting one as soon as I get the extra $$$.
Is it because you used Pshermans shark shield and it worked? :P
Ill get one if it ever comes down in price a few hundred.
Yep, I was impressed. I've only used it once going after RF and Lings. It didn't turn the bite off.
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it did stun the shit out of a giant yellow eye I released, that bumped it as I was trying to push it away with my paddle during big wind and swell --get it to go back down---note to self dont let fish i'm releasing touch the shark shield---and try and bring the big lings and butts over for a quick touch before landing lol
the big 5-7 lb yellow eye was very puffed up and was difficult to get to go down but was trying and doing better--then it bumped the S shield , and was floating along vibrating and rigid finned-rock hard...was not good
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Is it like putting air bags in cars ? Don't need it unless there's an accident. even then there's no assurance of protection. In 40+ years OTW, I've not needed one... Yet. :smt005
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Where did you shark shield owners purchase them?What's a fair price?Thanks tiny
I got mine from red triangle spearfishing when they became a nor cal rep. I think he ran out after their presentation but was waiting for more. Doesn't hurt to give them a call.
As for a fair price I think if you can get it at or below six you will be saving from those retailers who jack the price up. Based on how many expected full charges the battery is supposed to handle that's only $2 a fishing day for a little piece of mind. I know people pay $8-10 to launch many spots and lose a bunch of cash on lures and lead so that's what finally sold me (really my wife made me get it). I am logging my dives and recharges to see how it plays out in real life.
Thanks for the info DG
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My understanding of GWS is that they select targets based on profiles. A yak hull mimics a seal, sea lion, elephant seal. Why not change the profile shape instead of paying several hundred dollars for an electronic deterrent? A set of simple crossbars with tramps made of a cheap material, like gunny sacks, placed aft enough not to impede paddling should change the shark's read from pinniped shape to a non prey shape like a boat. How many small boats around here have been attacked by shark? Any AI's? They probably appear too wide and thus not a food item for the sharks.
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any thoughts on using an older model shark shield? I know the retail cost is totally worth it, but if i can get a deal......
if the battery still charges, they are pretty tough units. Mine is an early gen Freedom 7 that was used as a demo unit at MBK, and went through a few owners after that. It still works :smt002
I think SS has a core charge/trade in program if the battery dies they will provide a new unit for a discounted price.
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My understanding of GWS is that they select targets based on profiles. A yak hull mimics a seal, sea lion, elephant seal. Why not change the profile shape instead of paying several hundred dollars for an electronic deterrent? A set of simple crossbars with tramps made of a cheap material, like gunny sacks, placed aft enough not to impede paddling should change the shark's read from pinniped shape to a non prey shape like a boat. How many small boats around here have been attacked by shark? Any AI's? They probably appear too wide and thus not a food item for the sharks.
i recall an attack on a kayak with outrigger in the past
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any thoughts on using an older model shark shield? I know the retail cost is totally worth it, but if i can get a deal......
if the battery still charges, they are pretty tough units. Mine is an early gen Freedom 7 that was used as a demo unit at MBK, and went through a few owners after that. It still works :smt002
I think SS has a core charge/trade in program if the battery dies they will provide a new unit for a discounted price.
Discounted price at 300 bucks. Instead of shipping to Austrailia they set up shop in Florida and that's where it can be sent.
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Hey everyone as DG stated we are a Shark Shield rep in Norcal at Red Triangle. If you guys want to do a group by we can talk about it and let me see if I can work on Shark Shield headquarters to get you a 3 year warranty.
If interested send me a pm that way I have a definitive number to order. They just came back in stock.
Matt
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Hey everyone as DG stated we are a Shark Shield rep in Norcal at Red Triangle. If you guys want to do a group by we can talk about it and let me see if I can work on Shark Shield headquarters to get you a 3 year warranty.
If interested send me a pm that way I have a definitive number to order. They just came back in stock.
Matt
Matt - Please provide a price so I can get my budget ready. I am interested.
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p.m sent thanks :smt001
I know a few folks ready now to make the deal
Hey everyone as DG stated we are a Shark Shield rep in Norcal at Red Triangle. If you guys want to do a group by we can talk about it and let me see if I can work on Shark Shield headquarters to get you a 3 year warranty.
If interested send me a pm that way I have a definitive number to order. They just came back in stock.
Matt
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I'm in on a group deal.Thanks tiny
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go Matt
Thanks red Triangle for at least doing some checking on deals!!!
Im good for a few --see what shakes down?? :smt003
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I looked and do not see the menu for the extended warranty
Here you go Craig. (https://sharkshield.com/shop/extended-warranty-3-years/)
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Just an update, I am working with Shark Shield to see what kind of deal we can do. At the end of the day if we have to do a group buy with NCKA discount through the shop then we will do that. At this moment does not seem that I can get 3 year warranty extended but I am trying.
I'll let you guys know next week.
Matt
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Thanks, Matt!
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they stopped answering my Fb p.ms without any real price answer --so i lost a bit of interest with them...i explained that I needed to buy the wifes one soon for an event ...no answer---sent a follow up--no answer
Just an update, I am working with Shark Shield to see what kind of deal we can do. At the end of the day if we have to do a group buy with NCKA discount through the shop then we will do that. At this moment does not seem that I can get 3 year warranty extended but I am trying.
I'll let you guys know next week.
Matt
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There has been a huge spike of interest recently here. "Calling Shark Shield, opportunity knocks." This is a large group of active ethusiasts right here in the landlords backyard. Craig is relentless, if he can't get your attention then the phone is off the hook.
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Are there any other similar products on the market?
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Any chance this gets done before the Roots Tournament in Santa Cruz on Sunday, October 18th? Not trying to rush, just curious.
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Are there any other similar products on the market?
Not that I am aware of or would consider using.
Any chance this gets done before the Roots Tournament in Santa Cruz on Sunday, October 18th? Not trying to rush, just curious.
We can do a group NCKA purchase now with 10% off through shop but as far as the extras from SS we have sent a few emails and should have some answer Monday. They usually get to us within a week and I can get them to everyone next day, free shipping over 100.00.
Matt
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Thats alot of money for us less than 6 figure blue collar folks with the "HOPE" you wont get nailed. Thats almost the price of a kayak! What next, dumb driver shield? Bear n mtn lion shields for hunting and hiking? Aerial bird poop shield? 3-4k later youl be safe!
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Just an update, I am working with Shark Shield to see what kind of deal we can do. At the end of the day if we have to do a group buy with NCKA discount through the shop then we will do that. At this moment does not seem that I can get 3 year warranty extended but I am trying.
I'll let you guys know next week.
Matt
Thanks Matt! And Craig too for hounding them on FB.
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The Fb sales rep did not have any deals for me and he says the can only give those deals at 'presentations' per their sales /dealer agreements
My hope now is to hear back from Matt whether he can work a deal ...If not I can just go straight through shark shields site and pay full price 649 + 139 for the 3 yr..and tax and shipping :smt010
wanting a new freedom 7 and the 3 year warranty for the extra $$$
going to wait and see if Matt has heard anything...hope soon...wanted to have one for my wife by the 15th-16Th
btw used the shield for my first long day 630 a.m until 2+ p.m..stayed green lighted all day 7 hours easy... but finally ran out and was 100% dead and would not make even the 'low charge' red light when I checked it just before landing...they say 'up to 7 hrs' so that seems right
I bumped my game clip against it again when wetting my fish and even the dead ones(almost all were dead)began to vibrate and twitch for a while even after the contact was not there
later in the day I was sitting wide legged with feet in the water , to access my center hatch, and thought I felt my hip muscle twitching from the position I was cramped in ...when I noticed the swell was tapping the SS pig tail against my outer hip ...twitching it :smt003
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I am probably going to buy one soon...
That would be a real test. Can it keep me from landing sharks all the damn time?! :smt005
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The Fb sales rep did not have any deals for me and he says the can only give those deals at 'presentations' per their sales /dealer agreements
My hope now is to hear back from Matt whether he can work a deal ...If not I can just go straight through shark shields site and pay full price 649 + 139 for the 3 yr..and tax and shipping :smt010
wanting a new freedom 7 and the 3 year warranty for the extra $$$
going to wait and see if Matt has heard anything...hope soon...wanted to have one for my wife by the 15th-16Th
btw used the shield for my first long day 630 a.m until 2+ p.m..stayed green lighted all day 7 hours easy... but finally ran out and was 100% dead and would not make even the 'low charge' red light when I checked it just before landing...they say 'up to 7 hrs' so that seems right
I bumped my game clip against it again when wetting my fish and even the dead ones(almost all were dead)began to vibrate and twitch for a while even after the contact was not there
later in the day I was sitting wide legged with feet in the water , to access my center hatch, and thought I felt my hip muscle twitching from the position I was cramped in ...when I noticed the swell was tapping the SS pig tail against my outer hip ...twitching it :smt003
OOC, Are you attaching it to the kayak (like the grab handle) or to your ankle?
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I put it on the side of my seat where it can velcro around the strap supports and use a tether just in case to my milk crate ..and it dangles over the side perfect amount ,down, and trails out a bit behind when drifting-- down when calm etc
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I put it on the side of my seat where it can velcro around the strap supports and use a tether just in case to my milk crate ..and it dangles over the side perfect amount ,down, and trails out a bit behind when drifting-- down when calm etc
So you broke down and bought a SS. Well what do you think does it give you peace of mind?
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I put it on the side of my seat where it can velcro around the strap supports and use a tether just in case to my milk crate ..and it dangles over the side perfect amount ,down, and trails out a bit behind when drifting-- down when calm etc
Cool. I've had one for 6 years and have yet to use it.
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wizz --see if charges and then set it aside a few days and plug in again see how long it takes to bump back to full charge""
as a bench mark my new Sshiedl on sunday after fishing gets plugged in and will go full green light charged from blinking red 'charging' so monday a.m its sitting there plugged in green---then i put it aside and before going fishing later in the week---right before i plug it in again and it blinks red a few minutes then greens full again
wonder what yours after 6 years does---does it still even charge..have you tried...im thinking along the lines of tool batteries being left dead too long--no good etc
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I know for me the most impressive thing about this thread--is seeing first hand how hard Matt went to bat to try and put this product in ncka members hands
a lot of work went into his end and I for one want to say thank you
The fact that S shield does not have much flex on pricing to offer kind speaks for the support they set up for their dealers and the fact that they have the best/only product of this type
That said Matt has done and is doing all possible to try and help us out here----
if anyone here is still interested in shark shield please take second and p.m Matt---he is trying to do us favor and must be creative within their dealer rules to even 'try' and help a select few get new shield soon
so all who expressed interest maybe send a thank you to him today so you can hear for your self where a group buy might be now
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Dont forget Dave at Kayak Connection in Santa Cruz and Moss Landing also went well out of his way to put on a SS demo night, complete with free beer, pizza and A-Hulls :smt002
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I will be sending PM's to those who expressed interest this afternoon.
Thank you all for your patience,
Matt
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I will be sending PM's to those who expressed interest this afternoon.
Thank you all for your patience,
Matt
PM me too plz.
Naoaki
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Yes PM me too please. Thank you.
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PM me too please. Thanks Matt!
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I tend to be skeptical about many issues and I really hope the shield works. That being said, I can't help but wonder why there aren't any efficacy studies from academia in the United States. An endorsement from a major university like Scripp's Institute of Oceanography or any major US institution would make me feel much better about making the purchase. I realize the product is not from the US but the research data they have just isn't strong enough for me. I plan to refrain from dangling my legs over the side, not hang a bloody catch in the water and refrain from fishing in known sharky areas, realizing the fact that IF THE WATER TASTES SALTY, sharks may be present.
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Please include me in the group buy PM.
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Yes PM me too please. Thank you.
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I am working on
a beach
A diving
and a kayaking model
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also for those of you wanting spend less than 100.00 on your safety gear
I am working on
a beach
A diving
and a kayaking model
these are backed by 100$ money back guarantee ---if you killed by a shark (or sink) I'll give you the money back
OOOH I'll take one of each please Craig!
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I'm still in! Did PM's go out already?
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I believe I sent out all the PM's on the thread as well as those previously on the list. If you have any further questions please PM me! Hope I can help out NCKA a little bit on this one.
Matt
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Tried mine for the first time in6 years of ownership and all I can say is if you accidentally get a hook snagged in it don't forget to turn it off before grabbing said hook. Holy shit.
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Tried mine for the first time in6 years of ownership and all I can say is if you accidentally get a hook snagged in it don't forget to turn it off before grabbing said hook. Holy shit.
Good to know :smt005 at least you know it works!
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Tried mine for the first time in6 years of ownership and all I can say is if you accidentally get a hook snagged in it don't forget to turn it off before grabbing said hook. Holy shit.
Good to know :smt005 at least you know it works!
And how. 2 major twitches/ jolts about a second apart (yeah it took me a second to figure it out :smt005). I was lookin sideways at it the rest of the day.
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Tried mine for the first time in6 years of ownership and all I can say is if you accidentally get a hook snagged in it don't forget to turn it off before grabbing said hook. Holy shit.
True dat! Lol the first and only time I used mine is when I grabbed it while the tip was still in the water and it kicked my right leg up in the air.
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Hi Matt,
I am interested to get one too.
Tom :smt006
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Hi Matt,
Got your message. Please let PM me how to pay you Or I can meet you somewhere in east bay.
Thanks,
Tom
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I just put my order in. Thanks for the group buy price!! :smt006
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I am glad Matt was able to hook many of you up.
Any divers have questions please hit me up as I have been using it on most dives and have learned a lot on its use and how not to keep shocking myself.
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Got mine in the mail today. Super excited to use it!
Thanks, Matt and Suzie!
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Same here, thanks Matt and Suzie!
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Woohoo! Thanks, Matt & Suzie. Just a bit of piece of mind during this weird, weird season
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Thanks guys for all of your support and patience! I have a pic with them all going out. Suzie really killed it getting them all registered and out to everyone in 2 hours!
I still have 2 extra I ordered just in case. Let me know if anyone else decides they want one!
Matt
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Thanks guys for all of your support and patience! I have a pic with them all going out. Suzie really killed it getting them all registered and out to everyone in 2 hours!
I still have 2 extra I ordered just in case. Let me know if anyone else decides they want one!
Matt
Hey Guys - The group buy saved us around $100. Its a great deal.
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how are you guys going to set up the SS on your yaks? do you submerge the entire unit, or just the whip portion? over the side, or down the scupper?
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how are you guys going to set up the SS on your yaks? do you submerge the entire unit, or just the whip portion? over the side, or down the scupper?
I have tried hooking to handle and hanging tail over. Easier to turn on and off but I zap myself often. I usually do this when diving and going from one location to another. If I am mostly kayaking or trolling I put in scupper hole and just leave it on.
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Thanks guys for all of your support and patience! I have a pic with them all going out. Suzie really killed it getting them all registered and out to everyone in 2 hours!
I still have 2 extra I ordered just in case. Let me know if anyone else decides they want one!
Matt
Hi Matt,
PM sent.
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how are you guys going to set up the SS on your yaks? do you submerge the entire unit, or just the whip portion? over the side, or down the scupper?
For a 2015 Hobie, Attach it behind the seat and drop tail over the side. Putting the tail inside the scupper hole will mess up the transducer signal.
I use a Dragonfly 7 Chirp.
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how are you guys going to set up the SS on your yaks? do you submerge the entire unit, or just the whip portion? over the side, or down the scupper?
For a 2015 Hobie, Attach it behind the seat and drop tail over the side. Putting the tail inside the scupper hole will mess up the transducer signal.
I use a Dragonfly 7 Chirp.
Good point ... does it mess with the signal & how close to a transducer can it be? Might have to expense one to Lowrance for product testing :smt002 :smt003
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mine velcro wraps around my forward seat straps on my right hip and i made a small rope with clasp to act as back up connector---turn on and off easy and 90 percent off the tail is in the water---there is a small section where the tail leaves the unit itself that does not transmit anyways so i really ony loose an inch of submersion....l
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just played with it today. Attached to seat straps, but when left loose tail did not submerge enough (green light blinking). I routed tail through the anchor trolley's ring and voila.
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A couple of friends recently went on a drift down the coast from Via Creek (Ab Farm) to Cayucos. The both were towing a shark shield. The only fish they caught were dog fish. Doesn''t exactly instill confidence in the units?
I Zod Out
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A couple of friends recently went on a drift down the coast from Via Creek (Ab Farm) to Cayucos. The both were towing a shark shield. The only fish they caught were dog fish. Doesn''t exactly instill confidence in the units?
I Zod Out
Why, because they didn't catch anything good or because all they caught were dogfish? The Shark Shield only protects a limited distance so catching dogfish down deeper than the range of the SS would be no fault of the unit.
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A couple of friends recently went on a drift down the coast from Via Creek (Ab Farm) to Cayucos. The both were towing a shark shield. The only fish they caught were dog fish. Doesn''t exactly instill confidence in the units?
I Zod Out
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I dive with one all the time and it doesn't bother fish. Swim right through schools and they are not bothered.
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A couple of friends recently went on a drift down the coast from Via Creek (Ab Farm) to Cayucos. The both were towing a shark shield. The only fish they caught were dog fish. Doesn''t exactly instill confidence in the units?
I Zod Out
I've been fishing with the SS the last few months and never got skunked.
I got skunked last Saturday at the Delta fishing for stripers and I didn't have the SS on my kayak. :smt044
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A couple of friends recently went on a drift down the coast from Via Creek (Ab Farm) to Cayucos. The both were towing a shark shield. The only fish they caught were dog fish. Doesn''t exactly instill confidence in the units?
I Zod Out
I had a great day catching both school fish and Lings when P-Sherman let me borrow his SS. Now I own one. :smt004
http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=67452.msg759668#msg759668
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Dog fish in my book ARE sharks! Admittedly, they are shallow water versions i.e.; brown smooth hound, gray smooth hounds, leopard sharks, and shovel nose guitarfish. The guys that caught these varieties in 30 to 40 feet of water over sandy bottoms with Shark Shields deployed were those mentioned above.. How come these sharks weren't warned to shy away?
I just offer this as a discussion item.
I Zod Out
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Because the effective range of a SS is a few meters with optimal in the 1m or less range; close contact.
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I don't think all sharks have the receptors for bio electrical movement. Mainly the large predators have those but I'm not sure.
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Dog fish in my book ARE sharks! Admittedly, they are shallow water versions i.e.; brown smooth hound, gray smooth hounds, leopard sharks, and shovel nose guitarfish. The guys that caught these varieties in 30 to 40 feet of water over sandy bottoms with Shark Shields deployed were those mentioned above.. How come these sharks weren't warned to shy away?
I just offer this as a discussion item.
I Zod Out
This is a great question and it has been mentioned here in a few posts but I'll try and sum it up from my understanding of Shark Shield and reading through the studies a bit. Believe me, I am a freediver and hate drag and even more so getting shocked....few bad tasing incidents :smt002 so I really wanted to make sure this thing was worth wearing.
Dogfish do in fact possess Ampullae of Lorenzini which is the sensory organ that shark shield targets. On some sharks that are either bottom feeders it may exist under the snout of the shark or in certain breeds such as seven gill or nurse shark the ampullae is diminished and the shark shield is not as much of a deterrent.
Shark Shield is designed to target Great Whites, Tigers, Zambezi (Bull), Mako, Oceanic, Hammerhead sharks which are all extreme predators and have an extremely strong Amullae of Lorenzini. As some other noted the range of the shark shield is strongest at 1M which is really when predatory sharks use there electrical receptors to detect prey.
I could write a bunch more but hopefully this helps somewhat. Send me a pm if you have more in depth questions that I can take to Shark Shield and post the results here. I know this year has seen a lot more sharks than usual for most of us water folk up north and in the south and I think it is something that will continue to happen.
I am a fan of anything that helps us exist with the sharks in a safe way and isn't something that just gives us piece of mind. Believe me I feel the same way as most of you do......in Hawaii, Florida Gulf shark shield is a no brainer with bulls and tigers but the breaching white is obviously the scariest thing to think about and none of us are really sure if anything would deter that.
I talked at great length with Scott from Shark Shield when he visited and we have had many multiple email exchanges about it since and I feel they don't believe in it because it is their item but because of the independent tests it has been through. Here is a video that did make me feel better though, Matt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNCedUi_jPg
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Yes that Video is a great tool.
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I am gonna try mine out at the Sonoma Coast this weekend. Heard of some GWS activity at Tomales Point and Salmon Creek.
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I am gonna try mine out at the Sonoma Coast this weekend. Heard of some GWS activity at Tomales Point and Salmon Creek.
So you're going to go do some 'product testing' for us, right? :smt002
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I am gonna try mine out at the Sonoma Coast this weekend. Heard of some GWS activity at Tomales Point and Salmon Creek.
So you're going to go do some 'product testing' for us, right? :smt002
YEah Baby!! There's a few swimming around at Tomales Point according to topp.org. I am going to be north of there.