NorCal Kayak Anglers
General => Craftsmen's Corner => Topic started by: jonesz on April 22, 2018, 09:18:35 AM
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So since I've gone with a color depth finder, my battery no longer lasts a day. They are older batteries, but I've always been able to get a day out of them, but now they crap out before a day's use. What batteries have you had good success with using on a color unit? I don't want to buy a battery that doesn't last a full day of fishing. Thanx
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I went the more expensive route and used a lithium iron battery. One is a shorai lfx18a1-bs12. The other is a battery tender btl35a4. So 18 amp hour and 35 amp hour. On a 4inch screen and 5inch screen I’ll get several days out of each battery. Also if you turn your brightness down on the screen you’ll get more from the battery.
They have the Shorai batteries at most motorcycle stores. I got mine at cycle gear in Santa Rosa.
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https://www.dakotalithiumbattery.com/12-v-10-ah-lithium-battery
It's the same size as the 7ah bricks.
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Check out the discussion here.
http://www.norcalkayakanglers.com/index.php?topic=74881.0
I love my LiPo battery. I use a 10ah battery.
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Nocqua makes a 10AH that’s the size of the palm of your hand.
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https://www.dakotalithiumbattery.com/12-v-10-ah-lithium-battery
It's the same size as the 7ah bricks.
This!
Weight-wise, lithium iron phosphate (LifePO4) is between SLA and lithium ion, and without any of the potential issues. It's a little pricier upfront, but should last for a long time--I'm going on my 4th season with one similar to this.
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https://www.dakotalithiumbattery.com/12-v-10-ah-lithium-battery
It's the same size as the 7ah bricks.
This!
Weight-wise, lithium iron phosphate (LifePO4) is between SLA and lithium ion, and without any of the potential issues. It's a little pricier upfront, but should last for a long time--I'm going on my 4th season with one similar to this.
Can't go wrong with the Dakota. Made in North Dakota!
Replaced my old 7lb brick with this, coming in just under 3lbs!!! $120 with their charger, but good for 1000 charges!!
That'll last me for the rest of my life!!!
So far A++++
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I’ve been researching LiFePo4 batteries and have found that some use a confusing ah rating. Because you can drain a lithium battery more than lead acid you get more energy. A 10 ah lithium has the same useable energy as a larger lead acid. Therefore they label it with an ah range like 10-25 ah. That means it has 10 ah but gives as much useable energy as a 25 ah lead acid battery. It might be helpful if you’re comparing a lithium motorcycle battery to lead acid, but it can be misleading if you’re comparing lithium to lithium. You might think you’re getting a 25 ah battery when you’re really getting a 10 ah lithium that is equivalent to a 25 ah lead acid. If you see one for sale that has a higher ah for less money, read the details and look for an ah range. There might not be anything wrong with the battery, it’s just not really a 25 ah lithium for half the price.
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https://www.dakotalithiumbattery.com/12-v-10-ah-lithium-battery
It's the same size as the 7ah bricks.
This!
Weight-wise, lithium iron phosphate (LifePO4) is between SLA and lithium ion, and without any of the potential issues. It's a little pricier upfront, but should last for a long time--I'm going on my 4th season with one similar to this.
Can't go wrong with the Dakota. Made in North Dakota!
Replaced my old 7lb brick with this, coming in just under 3lbs!!! $120 with their charger, but good for 1000 charges!!
That'll last me for the rest of my life!!!
So far A++++
Yeah I’ve been using mine for over four years & still going!
Never has issues.
I can get a couple days on my Hook5.
Naoaki
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A few questions about the lithiums. Do these need a special charger? Are these the type that catch fire? Do you store these half full and charger right before you use em?
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This is the nocqua batt I mentioned. Comes with everything you need and weighs 22oz.
https://www.austinkayak.com/products/21143/NOCQUA-Pro-Power-Kit-Battery-Pack-100-Ah.html
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A few questions about the lithiums. Do these need a special charger? Are these the type that catch fire? Do you store these half full and charger right before you use em?
There is more than one kind of lithium battery. We are probably better off using the LiFePo4 batteries. They do need special chargers as a rule. My wilderness system battery is designed to charge off a usb charger. LiFePo4 is not the kind that are in the news for catching fire. To my understanding you don’t have to do anything special for charging other than using a LiFePo4 battery charger. You can store them full and they will hold most all of their charge while stored.
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Get the Nocqua 10ah. It is the size of your fist, very light, and it just works. Once you account for the cost of the failure-prone homemade cases and connectors you don’t need to buy, it is the same price as the other options.
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I'm looking at this one on eBay. No shipping tax and it's 14amp. After shipping on the dakota battery and tax?, it's only about $15 more and has 40% more battery. What a ya think?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Battery-Tender-Lithium-Iron-Phosphate-12V-14AH-240CCA-Replaces-Yuasa-YTZ10S/131932826361?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D44039%26meid%3Dd74c7f8ddc3b42ea893189da08956a50%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D381044582015%26itm%3D131932826361&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851#rwid
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Why people need Lithium battery when the Acid battery can use as an anchor and provide as much life as a half-dead lithium battery? :smt003
You can get a good Lithium battery, buy an appropriate charger, then box it inside a waterproof box, cables, connector, and some DIY to make sure all is tight and secure.
Battery ~ $120
Charger ~ $30-$60
Waterproof box ~ $10-$30
Connectors-cables ~ $10~$30
You are looking at $130-$200 for a complete set. Problem happens at all connections and how good waterproof the case is.
See my testing setup :smt044(the current one does not look like that. It's waterproof and the connector from the battery to the FF is as tight as waterproof can be). I got 11 hours on my Lowrance Elite 5-HDI, YES full days fishing. It weights as light as any lithium battery ~1lb and has the low voltage cutoff circuit, and all the protections to make the battery pack last longest possible.
Look like there is a market for this. May be I could sell my setup for $100. :smt007
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I'm looking at this one on eBay. No shipping tax and it's 14amp. After shipping on the dakota battery and tax?, it's only about $15 more and has 40% more battery. What a ya think?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Battery-Tender-Lithium-Iron-Phosphate-12V-14AH-240CCA-Replaces-Yuasa-YTZ10S/131932826361?rt=nc&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D44039%26meid%3Dd74c7f8ddc3b42ea893189da08956a50%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D381044582015%26itm%3D131932826361&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851#rwid
Keep in mind this is one of those (ah range) batteries. It says 10-14 ah. Compare it to a 14 ah lead acid or a 10 ah LiFePo4 price wise. It is not truly a 14 ah lithium.
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originally my multistar 4s 16ah batteries were getting their butts kicked, but recently they've been killin' it. Lasting more than a full day (more like 1.5 days) on a Lowrance Elite 7 TI with totalscan. Not the cheapest and takes some maintenance to keep them charged properly but they're doin' duty. The only one I would recommend above it would be the bioenno power 12ah/20ah or 35ah if you need several days in a row.
I need batteries that will power me 14 hour days, as that's usually how long I fish in the summer on freshwater, and usually 2 days in a row since I don't like to daytrip to the sierras anymore.
Bioenno link - ($125 + charger about $10 more)
https://www.bioennopower.com/collections/12v-series-lifepo4-batteries/products/12v-12ah-lfp-battery-abs-blf-1212as
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I just got a Dakota lulithiun battery and haven’t used it yet, the 10ah 12v one that is the same size of the SLA brick. It said in he literature that the standard SLA charger would work. Is that not the case?
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This is the nocqua batt I mentioned. Comes with everything you need and weighs 22oz.
https://www.austinkayak.com/products/21143/NOCQUA-Pro-Power-Kit-Battery-Pack-100-Ah.html
I just sprang for this bad boy.
With the 20% off coupon code FC0418iph4c, it came out to $103 with the charger.
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I just got a Dakota lulithiun battery and haven’t used it yet, the 10ah 12v one that is the same size of the SLA brick. It said in he literature that the standard SLA charger would work. Is that not the case?
I cannot speak particularly for this case. My battery tender lead acid battery produces 13.5V to charge. This would be over-charge a common Li-ion battery pack.
It would be over-charge the Nocqua battery too.
Only Dakota can says whether it is ok or not, since they are the maker.
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Only Dakota can says whether it is ok or not, since they are the maker.
+1.
Mine is K2 brand and I believe it is the same (BMS and all). FWIW. K2 said that you should not use SLA charger, and the one they recommended was fairly cheap as I recall.
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Over the years i've used a ranger of batteries for my FF; however, i personally i think the charger is actually more important.
I use to buy a standard 20.00 dollar charger at fry's electronics but eventually converted to an optima digital battery charger,
and it has been night and day.
I bought my charger back in 2016 for 109 but saw it on amazon for 89.00 in 2018. :smt013
It has served me well. It can basically bring back dead batteries by trickle charging them slowly. Great for charging a dead battery on a Car too!
https://www.amazon.com/Optima-Digital-Performance-Maintainer-Battery/dp/B00DHGPVKI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1524519832&sr=8-2&keywords=optima+charger (https://www.amazon.com/Optima-Digital-Performance-Maintainer-Battery/dp/B00DHGPVKI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1524519832&sr=8-2&keywords=optima+charger)
I bought this and never looked back. Can't say enough about this charger. I just wish i knew earlier
BTW: Here is a tip for 12v batteries. I fish salt water a lot and it wreck havoc on my gear. I found the connectors on my FF batteries use to corrode and fall off (even if a little salt water got on it). It made good batteries useless. I recommend, spraying the connectors points with corrosion X and putting some dielectric grease on them. This has basically saved so many batteries for me! Did you know the spark caused by touching connectors together can be mitigated with putting dielectric grease on terminal connectors?! This also saves fuses from getting blown by the sparks. Hope this helps. :smt001
TLA
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Over the years i've used a ranger of batteries for my FF; however, i personally i think the charger is actually more important.
I use to buy a standard 20.00 dollar charger at fry's electronics but eventually converted to an optima digital battery charger,
and it has been night and day.
I bought my charger back in 2016 for 109 but saw it on amazon for 89.00 in 2018. :smt013
It has served me well. It can basically bring back dead batteries by trickle charging them slowly. Great for charging a dead battery on a Car too!
https://www.amazon.com/Optima-Digital-Performance-Maintainer-Battery/dp/B00DHGPVKI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1524519832&sr=8-2&keywords=optima+charger (https://www.amazon.com/Optima-Digital-Performance-Maintainer-Battery/dp/B00DHGPVKI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1524519832&sr=8-2&keywords=optima+charger)
I bought this and never looked back. Can't say enough about this charger. I just wish i knew earlier
BTW: Here is a tip for 12v batteries. I fish salt water a lot and it wreck havoc on my gear. I found the connectors on my FF batteries use to corrode and fall off (even if a little salt water got on it). It made good batteries useless. I recommend, spraying the connectors points with corrosion X and putting some dielectric grease on them. This has basically saved so many batteries for me! Did you know the spark caused by touching connectors together can be mitigated with putting dielectric grease on terminal connectors?! This also saves fuses from getting blown by the sparks. Hope this helps. :smt001
TLA
Looks like a nice charger, but I don't read that it has lithium setting.