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Title: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: bt5595 on November 30, 2014, 10:34:18 PM
I have been looking to get into kayaking and found myself drawn to the uniqueness of the Raptor SOT. I am also considering a Hobie Mirage Revolution 13. Just wondering if there is a pedal drive option in the works for the raptor? Maybe it's the former cyclist in me that gravitates toward a pedal system lol
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Post by: Squidder K on June 01, 2015, 03:09:32 PM
I have pondered this several times, but I don't think Jim is coming out with it anytime soon.
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Post by: Weimarian on June 01, 2015, 03:11:54 PM
Check with Jim... He might just one off, build you one just to see if he can... :smt006
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Post by: FishingForTheCure on June 01, 2015, 03:16:52 PM
An alternative is the Native kayaks.  Haven't tried one myself ... don't think it's for me ... but an option to look at if you like pedal drive.
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Post by: Weimarian on June 01, 2015, 03:56:12 PM
I like them, Native has quite the set up. I want to see them get a better hull that cuts water better.... Otherwise you couldn't go wrong buying one... Those that have them love them even 6 mo's later  :smt044 :smt044 :smt044
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Post by: wormguy on June 01, 2015, 04:55:06 PM
Check out the Native Slayer Propel at Headwaters in Lodi.
I've had one for a year and still love it
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Post by: Baitman on September 08, 2015, 07:28:27 PM
Stay tuned...    For the past several months I've been VERY busy.   :smt003       

    Baby's in the oven and it's like 4 months along.    Pedal,,, Paddle,,, Motor or Sail.       The G2  with a   410 lb weight capacity is due for delivery in 5 months.       I feel like a proud papa already.  :smt044
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Post by: vwool on September 08, 2015, 07:31:54 PM
And that's all we get for the next 5 months?
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Post by: eelkram on September 08, 2015, 07:36:11 PM
How about 3 months instead of 5?  I need to be able to put it on my Christmas wishlist!
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Post by: Sailfish on September 09, 2015, 01:26:47 AM
How about 3 months instead of 5?  I need to be able to put it on my Christmas wishlist!

Are you willing to pay the "expedite" fee? (j/k)  :smt003
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Post by: eelkram on September 09, 2015, 10:36:57 AM
Are you willing to pay the "expedite" fee? (j/k)  :smt003

Well, I have 2 kidneys... one's gotta be worth something.   :smt003
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Post by: Need2hav on September 09, 2015, 05:23:41 PM
What are the ballpark prices we talking about including the pedal system?
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Post by: Baitman on September 09, 2015, 07:21:26 PM
What are the ballpark prices we talking about including the pedal system?

          Start saving now... It'll be well worth the price.           Video presentation before Christmas arrives..  Possibly before Thanksgiving.         

  Spent long hours on this project... missed out on all the tournaments,  :smt010   lost fishing days, etc  have kept me out of touch with all the happenings at NCKA     I'm overdue for some OTW therapy.

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Post by: Sailfish on September 09, 2015, 07:27:08 PM
What are the ballpark prices we talking about including the pedal system?

          Start saving now... It'll be well worth the price.           Video presentation before Christmas arrives..  Possibly before Thanksgiving.         

  Spent long hours on this project... missed out on all the tournaments,  :smt010   lost fishing days, etc  have kept me out of touch with all the happenings at NCKA     I'm overdue for some OTW therapy.

How much should we put away per week?  :smt003
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Post by: Need2hav on September 09, 2015, 08:15:49 PM
What are the ballpark prices we talking about including the pedal system?

          Start saving now... It'll be well worth the price.           Video presentation before Christmas arrives..  Possibly before Thanksgiving.         

  Spent long hours on this project... missed out on all the tournaments,  :smt010   lost fishing days, etc  have kept me out of touch with all the happenings at NCKA     I'm overdue for some OTW therapy.

I just got my Raptor. It's been about a whole 3 months now?  Lol
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on September 10, 2015, 07:55:09 AM
What are the ballpark prices we talking about including the pedal system?

          Start saving now... It'll be well worth the price.           Video presentation before Christmas arrives..  Possibly before Thanksgiving.         

  Spent long hours on this project... missed out on all the tournaments,  :smt010   lost fishing days, etc  have kept me out of touch with all the happenings at NCKA     I'm overdue for some OTW therapy.

How much should we put away per week?  :smt003

     Half price for you Sonny,,,   My new next Pro-Staffer...   :smt002
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Sailfish on September 10, 2015, 08:54:59 AM
Thank you Jim.  I will sell either my AI or PA12 and put that money aside for the G2.
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Post by: Squidder K on September 10, 2015, 10:18:44 AM
Put me on the list, this sounds like what I have been.
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Post by: Need2hav on September 10, 2015, 03:33:09 PM
Will you take my currently 3 month old raptor as a trade in?
What color options you thinking of having?
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Post by: NowhereMan on September 10, 2015, 07:41:50 PM
This sounds like it could be awesome---can't wait to see it.
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Post by: SeaWeed on September 10, 2015, 11:52:24 PM
Are you willing to pay the "expedite" fee? (j/k)  :smt003

Well, I have 2 kidneys... one's gotta be worth something.   :smt003

I'm in line for your kidney but we have to go out of country.  :smt044  :smt044
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Post by: RUDEDOG on September 12, 2015, 08:23:32 AM
Oh man, this is exciting! I love my raptor and every time I take it out people ask me about it.  Can't wait to see this masterpiece Jim!!!!!!!!
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Post by: NowhereMan on November 11, 2015, 09:56:30 PM
Video presentation before Christmas arrives..  Possibly before Thanksgiving.         

It's before Thanksgiving...
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Post by: Vermillion on November 11, 2015, 11:22:16 PM
I have a wife you can have. She is awesome. Not buy a new kayak awesome but awesome.
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Post by: TexasBoy on November 11, 2015, 11:37:51 PM
Video presentation before Christmas arrives..  Possibly before Thanksgiving.         

It's before Thanksgiving...

LOL Your watching that calendar!!!! i'm also stoked to see this new toy!!!!
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Post by: Sailfish on November 12, 2015, 01:10:03 AM
Video presentation before Christmas arrives..  Possibly before Thanksgiving.         

It's before Thanksgiving...

You know something that we don't?  :smt003
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on November 12, 2015, 06:29:52 AM
Laying up the first half of mold this week...   :smt001
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Post by: FishingForTheCure on November 12, 2015, 09:19:17 AM
I can say it's a bad looking mo-fo!  :smt002
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Post by: OVillanueva on November 12, 2015, 09:56:52 AM
Need someone to beta test your new ride, Jim?  :smt003 
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Post by: seabird on November 17, 2015, 07:03:12 PM
Updates? I want to se more of that sweet, sweet plug.
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Post by: Baitman on November 17, 2015, 07:16:46 PM
  Thanks !   :smt006

     OK,,, but this one is a little fuzzy.
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Post by: seabird on November 17, 2015, 07:20:18 PM
Awesome! Keep 'em coming!
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Post by: FishingForTheCure on November 17, 2015, 07:21:13 PM
No, that's all you get :smt044
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Post by: seabird on November 17, 2015, 09:37:47 PM
No, that's all you get :smt044
but.. but.. :smt089
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: raydon on November 17, 2015, 10:34:46 PM
I'm excited as heck for your new production.
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Post by: Baitman on November 18, 2015, 07:21:22 AM
I'm excited as heck for your new production.

  Thanks,,,   Me too !  :smt002         I'd love to share a lot more about it,, just a little premature at this point.

   For now all I can say is it sure is a lot of time money and labor involved in producing a mold like this.  Besides the kayak mold, there's three other separate components to it that also need molds.

   More speed has been the goal...   Can't hardly wait till the first test paddle. ( pedal )   

   
   
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Sailfish on November 18, 2015, 07:25:52 AM
Is it still on schedule? Can't wait to try it out!
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Post by: NowhereMan on November 18, 2015, 11:37:29 AM
Is it still on schedule? Can't wait to try it out!

+1
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on November 18, 2015, 07:07:37 PM
  I'm so mad right now I can spit.    A woman from  Monterey Air resources board  showed up at my door today,because someone complained about  fumes...     They want me to get a " Permit" from the Air Resources board..   Evidently I can do what I'm doing,,, they just want tax revenue...    $  1,400 dollars of revenue !!!     If I were doing it as a hobby, it's free.     I told her I don't make molds as a business,  I sell kayaks ,  and they're molded at an Amish factory in PA. ...   Making this new model is my hobby, so get out of my shop and stop wasting my time!
     F'ng government has got way too big.

     
   
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Post by: FishingForTheCure on November 18, 2015, 07:20:22 PM
Nice move
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Post by: Need2hav on November 18, 2015, 07:48:13 PM
Really? That's effing crazy!!! I'm in IT and I hate when companies outsource to other countries. Now I can understand a little that they may just not want to deal with the bullcrap bureaucracy and the crazy taxes the Gov't can think of. Sigh....
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Post by: Squidder K on December 04, 2015, 12:51:15 PM
Stay tuned...    For the past several months I've been VERY busy.   :smt003       

    Baby's in the oven and it's like 4 months along.    Pedal,,, Paddle,,, Motor or Sail.       The G2  with a   410 lb weight capacity is due for delivery in 5 months.       I feel like a proud papa already.  :smt044

Okay Jim that baby should be well into the second trimester, any chance for an ultrasound peak, progress report, anything ?
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Post by: snapperhead on December 04, 2015, 02:49:27 PM
+1 on any updates?  That yak sounds awesome!
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Post by: NowhereMan on December 04, 2015, 03:00:43 PM
+1 on any updates?  That yak sounds awesome!

+10
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Post by: seabird on December 05, 2015, 02:55:25 AM
+1 on any updates?  That yak sounds awesome!

+10
+100
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Post by: Tote on December 05, 2015, 06:01:42 AM
Definitely don't rush it.
I'm sure it will be incredible.
You do on hellava good job putting your ideas to use.
Looking forward to seeing what you've come up with.
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Post by: Baitman on December 11, 2015, 07:31:05 AM
Molds finished,,, now to make a yak. 
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Post by: beerhunter on December 11, 2015, 07:39:44 AM
Nice!  :smt006
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Post by: Sailfish on December 11, 2015, 07:51:04 AM
Wow!! :smt007
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Post by: Jedmo on December 11, 2015, 09:13:38 AM
Saving up some money for it already Jim. :smt002

Jedmo
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Post by: seabird on December 11, 2015, 11:14:33 AM
Beautiful! I'd be lying if I said I didn't get mildly turgid at the sight of well crafted tooling.

Is that a transducer scupper I see in the center?
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Post by: CptSloppywood on December 11, 2015, 11:28:47 AM
 :smt007
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Post by: Baitman on December 12, 2015, 06:33:53 AM
Beautiful! I'd be lying if I said I didn't get mildly turgid at the sight of well crafted tooling.

Is that a transducer scupper I see in the center?

  Yes,  Transducer scupper..  There's another segment to it that needs to be welded to the final aluminum mold.

   Feels good to finally get this far.   It's been nearly 6 full months to get here.   I'm thinking by the end of February there should be a plastic version of the new G2  :smt001 
     I was thinking last night of ways to raise $ for the mold cost...   Pre orders with huge discount incentive. 
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Post by: The X Inn Keeper on December 12, 2015, 10:54:45 AM
You have my interest, how much for a pre order and est on how long for delivery ?
PM me, I need an extra yak at the Cove ;0)
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Post by: Baitman on December 13, 2015, 07:06:30 AM
You have my interest, how much for a pre order and est on how long for delivery ?
PM me, I need an extra yak at the Cove ;0)

      They're ready to start the casting next week.  So estimating by end of Feb... first part of March.  (If east coast isn't snowed in at that time, like last year...)    Cost for pre orders 900 dollars.
 
   
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Post by: Sailfish on December 13, 2015, 09:14:36 AM
You have my interest, how much for a pre order and est on how long for delivery ?
PM me, I need an extra yak at the Cove ;0)
They're ready to start the casting next week.  So estimating by end of Feb... first part of March.  (If east coast isn't snowed in at that time, like last year...)    Cost for pre orders 900 dollars.

I'm first in line  :smt003
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Post by: RBark on December 13, 2015, 09:23:17 AM
900 just for the hull or including the pedals?
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Post by: Sailfish on December 13, 2015, 09:39:13 AM
900 just for the hull or including the pedals?

I believe it only the hull.
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Post by: vwool on December 13, 2015, 09:45:48 AM
900 just for the hull or including the pedals?

I believe it only the hull.

What kind of drive will it work with?
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Post by: Sailfish on December 13, 2015, 09:48:45 AM
900 just for the hull or including the pedals?

I believe it only the hull.

What kind of drive will it work with?

I heard the Mirrage drive.
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Post by: Need2hav on December 13, 2015, 11:24:23 AM
Would we still be able to use our existing Raptor cart, bait well, and pump setup on this new model?
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Post by: snapperhead on December 13, 2015, 04:03:31 PM
900 just for the hull or including the pedals?

I believe it only the hull.

What kind of drive will it work with?

+1 My daughter maybe interested.
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Post by: NowhereMan on December 13, 2015, 04:11:39 PM
Sign me up. In fact, I might want a second one, too.
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Post by: eelkram on December 13, 2015, 04:51:42 PM
Put me on the list!
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Post by: CptSloppywood on December 13, 2015, 04:58:57 PM
sign me up!
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Post by: Baitman on December 13, 2015, 06:52:48 PM
Would we still be able to use our existing Raptor cart, bait well, and pump setup on this new model?
   Yes !     

    There will be an adapter that will allow the Mirage drive to fit.    Eventually we'll have a second adapter for the Propel drive.    And,,, no it doesn't include the Mirage drive,  you'll have to shop that separately.   Sorry,  I tried asking Hobie for OEM opportunity... LOL   You can guess their answer.
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Post by: CptSloppywood on December 13, 2015, 07:03:33 PM
Is the adapter included with the G2 or is it sold separate and if so how much will the adapter cost?
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Post by: Herb Superb on December 13, 2015, 07:27:32 PM
Will the rudder come standard or optional? I am assuming it'll be hand control for the hobie guys? I am very interested, but still too early to commit.
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Post by: Need2hav on December 14, 2015, 11:32:45 AM
Would we still be able to use our existing Raptor cart, bait well, and pump setup on this new model?
   Yes !     

    There will be an adapter that will allow the Mirage drive to fit.    Eventually we'll have a second adapter for the Propel drive.    And,,, no it doesn't include the Mirage drive,  you'll have to shop that separately.   Sorry,  I tried asking Hobie for OEM opportunity... LOL   You can guess their answer.

You're killing me. Now it only makes me want it more!!!! aaargh.. Now I need to have one!! It's so close to Christmas though. What's the deadline for you to recv your 900? Will paypal work or is it cash/check only?
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Post by: vwool on December 14, 2015, 12:06:16 PM
Will it work with the old drive? Or only the new version?
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Post by: Baitman on December 15, 2015, 07:34:59 AM
    I tried posting response twice now...   both times they are not uploading.  WTF?    I give up.   Is the photo file too big? 
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Post by: Sailfish on December 15, 2015, 07:55:12 AM
    I tried posting response twice now...   both times they are not uploading.  WTF?    I give up.   Is the photo file too big?

Try to resize the picture to < 1 Mega Bytes.
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Post by: Baitman on December 15, 2015, 08:26:21 PM
Will it work with the old drive? Or only the new version?
   Both,   I just found out that the new version will work on all, just have to cut off that tab.

Will the rudder come standard or optional?

   The G2 is designed to perform as a paddle kayak  or Pedal.     So rather than rig everyone with a hand control & rudder, only when ordered with that.     Not everyone wants the pedal drive or the higher cost associated with adding a rudder.  The way the Raptor tracks, a rudder isn't needed for paddling.

Is the adapter included with the G2 or is it sold separate and if so how much will the adapter cost?

    Adapter sold separately ,, not set a price yet, as they've not gone into production.   Guesstimating around 70 -100  dollar mark, retail.   

   So, now that I've downsized some photo's.. let me try again.     What I wrote twice before ( got 86'd)  was a bit about the features.     There's an 8" hatch ring in front of the seat that will have a 12 x 16"   interior storage "pod"   ( all these pods get confusing..)   Shown is the Paddle Pod,,, the removeable heart of the G2 with  4 scuppers molded partially molded in each half.   It will get locked down with a cam lever latch .   Simple and quick.    This pod can be used to hold a battery, FF and transducer, or rig it as a live bait tank, or just store tackle.   The Pedal pod  will fit in that same hole..  there's two more additional scuppers on each side of the 8" hatch for a total of 6 to provide fast drainage during surf launches.    Notice the recessed tracks on each side.   I've altered the forward cockpit so that it's easy  to slide fishing rods into the hull from the bow hatch.   Getting back to the pedal pod,   The mirage drive will get locked in and stay in the pod.   You remove the entire pod as one unit.   The pod acts as a sort of "life ring" for your Mirage drive in case it gets dropped overboard.  There's a 600 dollar savings right there !      The untippable design of the Raptor will save you even more.    :smt002
 In the Cargo Bed, I've added a 6" access hatch in the floor  and two more 4" hatches just behind the seat .  There's now access to every part of the interior of this yak ,, ( for rigging. )
Transducer scuppers built in.. for alternate rigging...   
That's about all I have for now. :smt006

   

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Post by: CptSloppywood on December 15, 2015, 08:41:45 PM
lookin' good! :smt001
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Post by: eelkram on December 15, 2015, 09:05:18 PM
So basically, you've taken all the latest cool innovations on the scene, kayak fishermans' kayak design wishlists, and combined them into a super stable, razor tracking, fast paddling,  rough surf survivng, not-too heavy, hands free optional, ultimate fishing kayak?

I'm sorry, but theres no way... for me to skip this.  :smt003
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Post by: CptSloppywood on December 15, 2015, 09:15:44 PM
So basically, you've taken all the latest cool innovations on the scene, kayak fishermans' kayak design wishlists, and combined them into a super stable, razor tracking, fast paddling,  rough surf survivng, not-too heavy, hands free optional, ultimate fishing kayak?

I'm sorry, but theres no way... for me to skip this.  :smt003
      +1
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Post by: Squidder K on December 16, 2015, 12:26:43 PM
Waiting on the preorder details, sounds like you have hit this on the sweet spot Jim!
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Post by: NowhereMan on December 18, 2015, 09:32:50 AM
Waiting on the preorder details, sounds like you have hit this on the sweet spot Jim!

Ditto. When might we expect more info on this? It would be a great Christmas present to myself...
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Post by: Sailfish on December 18, 2015, 10:13:59 AM
Would love mine to be the first one off production with serial number 0001  :smt003
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Post by: Sin Coast on December 18, 2015, 11:01:20 AM
I believe he is transporting the G2 mold to SoCal today.  :smt007
And I want to get on the pre-order list too.
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Post by: Baitman on December 19, 2015, 07:04:45 AM
So basically, you've taken all the latest cool innovations on the scene, kayak fishermans' kayak design wishlists, and combined them into a super stable, razor tracking, fast paddling,  rough surf survivng, not-too heavy, hands free optional, ultimate fishing kayak?

I'm sorry, but theres no way... for me to skip this.  :smt003

      That brought a BIG smile to my face !  :smt003     Thanks. 
  Yeah, the pre order thing was a last minute thought, with out all the details worked out.   I've honestly been so busy with the hands on design / build of the molds that I've had very little time for anything else.   My plan was to get a proto-type kayak on the water to film and run a Kickstarter campaign.  Don't need a lot to get this going the total for the molds is 30K, of which I have half, plus credit to borrow.  Would be great to not borrow, so pre-sale offer seems like a great win-win for everybody.    I'll try to work out more details soon.    Would not likely need a payment from anyone until we get closer to a production date.

I believe he is transporting the G2 mold to SoCal today.  :smt007
And I want to get on the pre-order list too.
          Yup ! Driving over the Grapevine is like NASCAR,  except got the 85+ mph  drivers dodging a mix of idiots going 55, changing lanes for no reason....           A 16 hour round trip delivery to the foundry.    Everything is set to go.   After seeing all the patterns for the castings, they're pretty sure it will be completed in under 8 weeks.   In reality  ( I've found ) something usually will  cause a delay.
      Once the kayak mold is completed, I'll deliver it personally to  Amish Amos ( LOL   he's really a very funny character )  in PA.   That way I can oversee the first run, rigging etc and bring a  trailer load home..     Whew,,,,  That's 9 months from conception to delivery !  :smt044

   
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Squidder K on December 22, 2015, 11:16:04 AM
Jim,

playing the devils advocate, the afore mentioned peddle drive companies aren't going to give you a hard time will they?  I can see one company in particular, not selling drives unless you turn in an old one, or buy a whole kayak that comes with a drive or some such none sense.
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Post by: SmokeOnTheWater on December 22, 2015, 10:32:03 PM
Awesome work Jim, can't wait to check out that baby when its all done! 

Jim,

playing the devils advocate, the afore mentioned peddle drive companies aren't going to give you a hard time will they?  I can see one company in particular, not selling drives unless you turn in an old one, or buy a whole kayak that comes with a drive or some such none sense.

I don't think this will be a big issue.  What if someone loses the drive somehow, this company will force them to buy a new kayak just for the drive?  Not likely. 
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: AlsHobieOutback on December 23, 2015, 09:31:18 AM
There are lots of guys that wouldn't mind using their own existing drive inside a new kayak ;)
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: DG on December 23, 2015, 10:27:33 AM

There are lots of guys that wouldn't mind using their own existing drive inside a new kayak ;)

True
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Need2hav on January 03, 2016, 12:53:43 PM
Any news? I sold my Raptor a week ago and am now without a  fishing kayak but patiently waiting. I'm also wondering how the rudder will be attached. The way I used to load my Raptor, I had it standing/leaning on my suv before I pick up the two stern handles and easily lift it on my suv. I'm hoping the rudder system won't be interfering with this or at least be easily removed with a cotter pin or two. Jim?
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: NowhereMan on January 03, 2016, 02:57:47 PM
Really looking forward to getting my hands on one of these.

+1
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Mienboy on January 03, 2016, 07:05:37 PM
I don't know if I missed it but the pedal drive is it similar to the hobies or is it like the native
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: eelkram on January 03, 2016, 07:26:46 PM
I don't know if I missed it but the pedal drive is it similar to the hobies or is it like the native

Yes, exactly similar. To both  :smt003. Page 5 has the details. It's gonna be a removable adapter system which will have a mount for the specific drive you have: Hobie or Native. Or... no drive use at all, just an awesome storage pod that's removable, which sounds similar to Viking kayaks' pod.
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Mienboy on January 03, 2016, 07:38:37 PM
I don't know if I missed it but the pedal drive is it similar to the hobies or is it like the native

Yes, exactly similar. To both  :smt003. Page 5 has the details. It's gonna be a removable adapter system which will have a mount for the specific drive you have: Hobie or Native. Or... no drive use at all, just an awesome storage pod that's removable, which sounds similar to Viking kayaks' pod.
That's awesome!
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: agoodhi on January 11, 2016, 10:30:21 PM
There are lots of guys that wouldn't mind using their own existing drive inside a new kayak ;)

Me, me, me... I like to paddle, but also like the option to peddle.  Jim, will a mirage drive fit inside the front hatch?
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on January 12, 2016, 07:42:16 PM
    The Native will have to come later.   That will require the seat be move-able.  ( slide  fore - aft )   
   For start, we'll have the Mirage adapter.   The adapter stays on the Mirage unit.  It's taken off  or on with a single cam lever.   This way the adapter serves as a sort of "life ring" in case it gets dropped overboard, it won't sink.

         I'm not certain yet if it will fit into the front hatch with the adapter ring attached.   I'm 80% optimistic it will.        Should find out in....  6 more weeks. :smt003
     
       The mold for the hull was cast last week !     Huge accomplishment to get to that stage.

    A few more days and  I'll have the Mirage adapter mold completed.   
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: ~BMAC~ on January 12, 2016, 08:12:20 PM
Take my money please! :)
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: chaeki on January 12, 2016, 08:14:25 PM
Nice photo
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: CaddyChris on January 12, 2016, 08:19:41 PM
I like the quote! Unfortunately, I'm stuck in the valley of stupidity. Anyone know the way outta here?
Can't wait to see the finished product! The suspense is killing me!
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on January 13, 2016, 08:12:01 AM
Nice photo
     Photographer from local magazine took that shot.  Santa Cruz Waves is doing an article,,  Big Thanks to Cen Coast !   :smt008

I like the quote! Unfortunately, I'm stuck in the valley of stupidity. Anyone know the way outta here?
           LOL...   I'm blind,  follow me, I think it's this way...   
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: NowhereMan on January 13, 2016, 11:09:07 AM
Take my money please! :)

+1
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on January 13, 2016, 09:13:57 PM
Take my money please! :)

+1

        Love seeing the enthusiasm from y'all .    Bank it for me, until I need it.  Maybe another 4 weeks I could use it. 
    Today I finished shaping  the " part" that I'll use to build the female mold for the adapter.  Sanded to 600 grit, tomorrow I wax and start making the flange, etc..
      Here's a peek. 
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: vwool on January 13, 2016, 09:15:22 PM
Sweet
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Sailfish on January 14, 2016, 02:29:41 AM
I like that "mini live well"  :smt003
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Squidder K on January 14, 2016, 09:07:31 AM
I have a feeling used Mirage Drives are going to go up in value.
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: FishingForTheCure on January 14, 2016, 09:31:02 AM
I have a $2700 Hobie Drive for sale ... includes FREE AI Kayak  :smt005
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: NowhereMan on February 03, 2016, 05:34:50 PM
The suspense is killing me...
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Sailfish on February 03, 2016, 05:45:17 PM
We need update!  :smt003
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Squidder K on February 04, 2016, 12:02:08 PM
+1 on the update!  I need to know who to make the check out to.
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: CptSloppywood on February 04, 2016, 05:13:28 PM
+1 on the update!  I need to know who to make the check out to.
              +1 on the +1.  :smt003
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: kayakjack on February 04, 2016, 06:13:10 PM
My hats off to santa cruz kayaks for taking the lead on this concept. IMO you guys are way ahead of the other kayak manufacturers. They should all be offering models with this option.
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on February 04, 2016, 07:39:25 PM
My hats off to santa cruz kayaks for taking the lead on this concept. IMO you guys are way ahead of the other kayak manufacturers. They should all be offering models with this option.
    Nooooooo.         LOL  ...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
      So here's the latest scoop.     All four molds are now being cast at the foundry.     I spent all day Tuesday down in SoCal working with the mold builder.   The Kayak mold has been cast and is nearly completed.  Estimate they gave was another 10 days before we can run put it in an oven. The plan it to run it  locally down there to insure there's no porosity issues or inserts that need to be relocated.   That will take a few weeks.   Then I can haul it across country to the molders in PA to get it mounted into their oven.   That's still a good 4 - 6 weeks away from today...  I'm pretty optimistic that it won't take any longer than that.   Oddly enough, this is the first time I've ever seen a project like this come in under estimated time frame.  All good news...  PPickerel's shop is going to laser cut the cam locks for the adapters.   I should have the CAD drawings for him by tomorrow.  Found some really cool side handles ,,,and the perfect control sys for the rudder.     
   I gotta say, I'm amazed a dumbass'ed carpenter like myself has been able to pull this off.   Amazzzzed !   When you think about the entrenched kayak manufacturers out there and the resources they have...    Taken it one step at a time.   
   

   Still pulling in quotes on parts..  For those who'd like to help fund this, I'll figure a fair asking price by this weekend.   My guarantee is, if your not satisfied with it when you demo it, I'll refund your investment.    I would be honored to see you guys OTW one day fishing from my creation.  :smt006
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: snapperhead on February 05, 2016, 05:03:47 AM
Anyone that has ever seen the original wooden yak that you built, would NOT be amazed at your carpentry skills.
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Sailfish on February 05, 2016, 08:32:17 AM
Thanks for the update Jim.  Hopefully your "creation" will be ready for the RF opening day  :smt001
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Sin Coast on February 05, 2016, 09:16:19 AM
  All good news...  PPickerel's shop is going to laser cut the cam locks for the adapters.   
Right on!!! That's great.
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: NowhereMan on February 06, 2016, 02:44:54 PM
So, does that mean that standard Hobie parts won't fit? Just curious, because I've got a spare of just about everything (due to getting a kayak warranteed a few years ago). I'm assuming that at this point it will just be the plastic hull, then it'd be up to the buyer to build it up with parts from wherever. Sorta like buying a bike frame, and building it up. Again, just curious, and can't wait to get my hands on one...
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: jrsuperman on February 07, 2016, 01:29:45 AM
^ I think he is making the hobie and the pedal propeller drive adapters.. It's in his previous posts..
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Need2hav on February 07, 2016, 10:08:35 AM
So, does that mean that standard Hobie parts won't fit? Just curious, because I've got a spare of just about everything (due to getting a kayak warranteed a few years ago). I'm assuming that at this point it will just be the plastic hull, then it'd be up to the buyer to build it up with parts from wherever. Sorta like buying a bike frame, and building it up. Again, just curious, and can't wait to get my hands on one...

Nope, he laid it all out on his previous posts. It will be a multi drive  type of yak. Pedal or paddle. Not everyone will use it to pedal.  He'll have an adapter for the mirage drive. You'll have to supply your own mirage drive of course.
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Need2hav on February 19, 2016, 07:59:25 PM
Any updates Jim?
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on February 21, 2016, 08:51:24 AM

I'm still  waiting myself .   It's like sitting in the dark, but at least able to have some free time for crabbing,,,  finally.    Looking on schedule for everything to be completed on time.    I'd guess before the end of March I should have a trailer load headed to CA.  :smt001
    Still working on details for rudder control.  I want something that has a bit of friction adjustment.    So the rudder can be set and held in position without going back to center.  Waiting ( again ) on a sample part to arrive.   
 
    Just resolved the seating issue.   By tilting the seat back ( to reclined position )  it  makes for a really comfortable feel, even while paddling.   Tested it for several hours yesterday at Moss Landing.  I should have made that change a long while back.    It's back to the shop for changes to the seat base mold now...  There goes that "free time".
 
      With the "Paddle" insert, and seat included.  It's looking like  $ 950 for a pre-order.    That's  FOB our Watsonville shop...    Need the payments by the end of February.   Mailing address is on our website.     I'd estimate an additional 200 dollars  to add the rudder and controls.
   For now,, just can't quote a price for the pedal version yet.
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: AlsHobieOutback on February 21, 2016, 01:21:30 PM
I'd be happy to put down on that new Raptor Jim!  Let us know when your ready to receive funds for it!
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Sailfish on February 21, 2016, 01:27:00 PM
I will send the payment before the end of this month.
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Squidder K on February 21, 2016, 03:50:32 PM
Give me the how /when/where...I will take care of my end.  This is the boat I have been asking for!  Now it comes to me SS Squidder! 
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: FishHunt(Ty) on February 21, 2016, 05:55:33 PM
 mirage drive for the raptor is a great Idea. Want to see it happen. I will take it to the bean hallow for the test drive :smt007
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: NowhereMan on February 21, 2016, 08:55:20 PM
Check is in the mail.

Any estimate on when the mirage drive insert will be available?
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Need2hav on February 21, 2016, 10:50:26 PM
Just wondering if we could see an artist rendition of how the yak will look fully loaded? I especially  would love to see the  rudder section and the ff transducer.
Will the rudder be retractable or will I be able to stand up the kayak  on the stern end?

For customers intending to use the pedal system with the rudder,  should we send you the 1150 now and we'll just have to pay a little more when the pedal adapter cost is ironed out?
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Sailfish on February 21, 2016, 11:18:45 PM
Give me the how /when/where...I will take care of my end.  This is the boat I have been asking for!  Now it comes to me SS Squidder!

"Need the payments by the end of February.   Mailing address is on our website."
Below is the link to Jm's website:
http://www.santacruzkayaks.com

Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on February 22, 2016, 08:06:48 AM
Just wondering if we could see an artist rendition of how the yak will look fully loaded? I especially  would love to see the  rudder section and the ff transducer.
Will the rudder be retractable or will I be able to stand up the kayak  on the stern end?

For customers intending to use the pedal system with the rudder,  should we send you the 1150 now and we'll just have to pay a little more when the pedal adapter cost is ironed out?

      $1,150???       Please don't read between the lines....      You get a paddle version for 950.    For appx. 200 more we should be able to outfit the rudder, control and mirage drive adapter.   

   
      With the "Paddle" insert, and seat included.  It's looking like  $ 950 for a pre-order.    That's  FOB our Watsonville shop...    Need the payments by the end of February.   Mailing address is on our website.     I'd estimate an additional 200 dollars  to add the rudder and controls.
   For now,, just can't quote a price for the pedal version yet. 

      If you're uncomfortable and don't understand what it is you're buying,  it might be better to wait until we have the fully rigged Pedal version so that you can have a better understanding.      The pre-order offer is made here to assist in funding the mold cost...  The low initial price is the incentive and reward for your helping to fund the start-up.    I'm not looking for a "down payment" , full 950 or nothing please.      I need to limit this offer to 8 NCKA members. I already have 6 commitments from Texas and several more going to Florida.   After this, price is going to be based on MSRP... ( whatever that amounts too ).  I'd guess you will save around 300 bucks, but more importantly, you're helping a small company to grow.  You'll be part of the effort to " Make America Great" again...   :smt044    ( I crack myself up sometimes )

       Like I said earlier,  if you're not happy with the kayak after you see and demo it...  I will refund your "contribution".   I'm not sure what colors I'll have available, so that could be an issue.       It would help if you include your color selection with payment.. plus be sure to include Name, contact info, etc.   I know how to find Sonny, Al,  (Mark is always at the dock... LOL)  .       I'll be honest here, there's still a few things "up in the air" as far as the small details.  So you decide for yourself.      We don't have a firm date on when it's going to be available, so please, no whiners!   " Is it ready yet? "  messages.     I got enough shit on my plate.   Think of it as buying stock, you"ll just have to be patient.   If you don't have the patience, please don't send money.   

         Yes, the rudder is retractable, TruCourse rudder made by Sealect Designs.   Rudder mounted at the stearn, so no, you can't stand it on it's end while the rudder is attached.    It also makes it a PIA trying to wheel the kayak using a Raptor Cart...  Might be more comfortable using a conventional kayak cart, unless you don't mind the rudder tucked up your nuts. :smt005     ( I've got an idea for relatively simple way to  hinge the rudder mounting to eliminate this issue )
   

Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Need2hav on February 22, 2016, 11:34:36 AM
Good info. Thank you. I apologize for asking too many questions. I was a little too eager, curious,  and excited about your new design.
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: eelkram on February 23, 2016, 10:49:16 AM
I just put a check in the mailbox.   :smt006
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on February 23, 2016, 04:58:59 PM
I just put a check in the mailbox.   :smt006

   Saaaaweeeeett !       Thanks.    We even got a  few guys all the way from Texas throwing down from this post.

    FYI   Just talked to the guy making the molds.  He says " almost completed, a week, two at the outside".    Still a lot of misc little parts that need to fall into place.    Pretty exciting stuff...  :smt001
     By the end of March, I'll finally pedal a kayak for my first time,,, ever !           ( Exception being my own contraptions )     Yup,, it's true!  I've never demo'd a Hobie.     Hope that mirage drive is as good as they say it is.   :smt044
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: chaeki on February 23, 2016, 05:13:28 PM
Baitman, you gonna race around the red can again?  Pedal vs. Pedal? Lol
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on February 23, 2016, 06:59:26 PM
Baitman, you gonna race around the red can again?  Pedal vs. Pedal? Lol

    Who's up for a challenge????     You go as my Proxy
   
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: chaeki on February 23, 2016, 07:08:07 PM
Baitman, you gonna race around the red can again?  Pedal vs. Pedal? Lol

    Who's up for a challenge????     You go as my Proxy
 
For you, definitely
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Sailfish on February 25, 2016, 01:51:10 AM
Mailed the check this afternoon  :smt001
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on February 25, 2016, 08:08:02 AM
   Thanks Sonny !       # 00001   
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on February 28, 2016, 07:22:23 PM
   Thanks Sonny !       # 00001

        Got you guys all covered.  Thank You !
     Sonny,
     eelkram
     NoWhere
    Al
    Victor
   
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: AlsHobieOutback on February 29, 2016, 09:01:10 AM
   Thanks Sonny !       # 00001
Got you guys all covered.  Thank You !
     Sonny #00001
     Sonny #00002
     eelkram
     NoWhere
     Al
     Victor
   
FIXED!  :smt044
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: funpilot on February 29, 2016, 10:19:23 AM
Baitman, in the picture of the pedals in your new insert, I see a white one in the background.  Is that a plug for the hole if you do not want to have anything there?  If that is a plug, is it flush with the floor?  If it is not a plug, how hard would it be to create one?  I am somewhat concerned that the new G2 may have some issues around standing if the pedals are in.  The plug would manage that for me. 
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Sin Coast on February 29, 2016, 10:57:49 AM
I believe you can use either the mirage drive adapter OR a removable pod (for electronics etc). It would appear easier to stand & fish with the electronics pod compared to the mirage drive adapter. BUT in my opinion, it will be easier to stand & fish from the G2 with mirage adapter than it is to stand & fish from a Hobie Revo/Outback/Adventure thanks to the additional deck space and overall stability. Just a guess though.
(also, if the mirage adapter floats...I suppose you can simply remove it and let it float beside the kayak while you stand & fish or pee)
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: chaeki on February 29, 2016, 11:01:02 AM
Take both out and it become an Asian outhouse. (Toilet hole) pretty convenient I must say.
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: vwool on February 29, 2016, 11:58:17 AM
   Thanks Sonny !       # 00001

        Got you guys all covered.  Thank You !
     Sonny,
     eelkram
     NoWhere
    Al
    Victor
   

Am I getting a new kayak or is that a different Victor?
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Sailfish on February 29, 2016, 12:03:31 PM
Take both out and it become an Asian outhouse. (Toilet hole) pretty convenient I must say.

I like it  :smt005
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on February 29, 2016, 01:07:00 PM
Baitman, in the picture of the pedals in your new insert, I see a white one in the background.  Is that a plug for the hole if you do not want to have anything there?  If that is a plug, is it flush with the floor?  If it is not a plug, how hard would it be to create one?  I am somewhat concerned that the new G2 may have some issues around standing if the pedals are in.  The plug would manage that for me.

     That part in the background is a plug, for a casting,  used to form the seat base adapters.    It needed more tilt angle ( recline ) to be comfortable while paddling.
      If you've a need to walk around the deck,,, might want to consider a Predator.   You won't need to stand that far forward in the Raptor... quite possible you could stand in the back cargo deck, some do that already.  With the added floatation and space, you could easily enough put a small "Tiny" size person back there.  :smt002  Or a big dog.!!    There's a large flat space between the seat and drive insert to stand.. that area has a watertight  8" 1/4 turn access hatch,,  Open that and you'll find  a 12 x 16" wide  rubberized storage "pod".   for,,, bait, tackle, phone, throwing net... lunch. 
 
 Might make a " plug" in the future that will allow a fully flat deck, but I don't see that as being a need at the moment.   

   Just a few more weeks,,, we'll have a video that will answer most of the questions.
   
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on February 29, 2016, 01:09:09 PM
   Thanks Sonny !       # 00001

        Got you guys all covered.  Thank You !
     Sonny,
     eelkram
     NoWhere
    Al
    Victor
   

Am I getting a new kayak or is that a different Victor?

         :smt044 :smt044 :smt044      It's not too late for you Mr VW 

   
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Sailfish on February 29, 2016, 02:23:16 PM
I know 1 more will join the club soon.
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on February 29, 2016, 06:35:02 PM
I know 1 more will join the club soon.
   Yup.  :smt001      That makes three more,, plus the Texas boys that picked up on this thread.   

Totally STOKED !    I'm very appreciative to all  of you for your trust and support.     Spent the day clearing tools out of my truck in preparation for this trip across the continent.   I'm soooo ready for this.
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: funpilot on March 07, 2016, 10:03:25 AM
Just went back out to their Facebook page and saw a more completed version of the G2 there. I guess that is the mold.  I have to admit that it is looking much nicer that I expected.
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: CassisCaKe on March 07, 2016, 05:23:12 PM
The kayak will weigh around 40lbs?
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Mienboy on March 07, 2016, 06:15:54 PM
I'm waiting on the intro video
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: CptSloppywood on March 07, 2016, 06:24:57 PM
Man I really wanted to jump on this, but the Taxman is knockin' :smt009
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Sin Coast on March 07, 2016, 06:28:22 PM
The kayak will weigh around 40lbs?
No, that's the weight of Jim's custom fiberglass Raptor.
I don't know how much the G2 will weigh, but my guess would be 60-75lbs?
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: NowhereMan on March 07, 2016, 07:43:01 PM
The kayak will weigh around 40lbs?

In your dreams...
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on March 07, 2016, 08:18:46 PM
The kayak will weigh around 40lbs?

In your dreams...

   Hey,,,,   I will personally make anyone a 40 lb G2  for only  125 dollars per lb.     :smt002
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: funpilot on March 08, 2016, 12:17:50 PM
Baitman, on the G2, how easy would it be to attach an electric motor (like a MinnKota) on the back wall so that I can just screw tighten it on?  And, a causal observation:  Looking at the number of views, your new G2 looks like it is one of the hottest topics (Kayak Section) in the last six months on this forum.  Not bad before it has ever been really seen !!
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: raydon on March 08, 2016, 12:52:07 PM
Senior discount?  AARP?
Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on March 08, 2016, 08:34:29 PM
What's funny is how old this thread was started before I even had the idea.    A seed was planted.     

    Should be able to easily figure something out.  I designed the transom area specifically to hold a Minn Kota.  planned for  steering control, line placement, etc.         BassYaks had a version that allows the motor to  raise / lower  ( tilt )  using the feet.

    Been watching a guy in TX with a cool  design that uses a linear actuator to raise / lower his Minn-Kota.

    Pre-sold 13 so far,, with two more promises of " Check in the mail" ..     Thanks to all for your support in this !  The final parts are all falling into place.   Every day a new idea formulates that improves on it.    You're going to love the steering control design.   "Set it and forget it."  No need to keep your hand on the tiller.

    Sure hope it works...   :smt005 



Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: Baitman on March 08, 2016, 08:36:22 PM
Senior discount?  AARP?

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Post by: Sin Coast on March 08, 2016, 08:52:37 PM
    You're going to love the steering control design.   "Set it and forget it."  No need to keep your hand on the tiller.
This would be awesome...I have to keep my hand on the rudder control of my Hobie Revolution because it doesn't hold course. On an average trip, I probably touch the rudder control level 100 times haha!
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Post by: Baitman on March 16, 2016, 08:13:16 AM
    Here's the latest update.   
      Spent yesterday at the mold builders shop, going over the final details,,( insert locations, Texturing etc )   
       All 4 molds are nearly complete.   Expect to run the first parts next week...  (optimistic guess-timate) 

  After yesterday's visit, I can sure understand why it takes so long to build an aluminum mold of that size.  There's sure a lot of man hours that goes into getting it right.
   Fingers crossed it works right the first time.   :smt002
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Post by: funpilot on March 20, 2016, 08:52:24 AM
We are all waiting with "baited" breath ...
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Post by: NowhereMan on March 20, 2016, 05:50:16 PM
Speaking of inserts, is there going to be a slot for the daggerboard, as on the Adventure/Revo 16? That's a real nice feature for sailing.
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Post by: FishingForTheCure on March 20, 2016, 07:20:43 PM
Speaking of inserts, is there going to be a slot for the daggerboard, as on the Adventure/Revo 16? That's a real nice feature for sailing.
No.
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Post by: Baitman on March 21, 2016, 07:48:28 AM
Speaking of inserts, is there going to be a slot for the daggerboard, as on the Adventure/Revo 16? That's a real nice feature for sailing.
 
     The turbo fins made a great dagger board.   
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Post by: Baitman on April 01, 2016, 11:36:36 AM
   The molds are finished !         Labor pains are starting...     9 months from the day it all started.    :smt003

       Heading out across the continent next week...  Stay tuned Boyz. 
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Post by: beerhunter on April 01, 2016, 06:29:39 PM
Awesome Jim!! Gonna be cool to see the final product....

Drive safe buddy!!
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Post by: NowhereMan on April 01, 2016, 06:44:56 PM
Can't wait to get ahold of one...
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Post by: ppickerell on April 01, 2016, 07:44:54 PM
Molds are a little like childbirth. You never know whats going to come out until it does.
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Post by: Baitman on April 11, 2016, 07:43:01 PM
   Heads up Amigos.       I'm headed east in the early morning hours finally!   

  Going to mold us up some G2's   Making a stop in Corpus Christi along the way for some Gulf Coast fishing if the weather Gods are merciful.      Should be back with a load in about two weeks... 

 Thanks for everyone's patience !    See y'all on the flip side.    :smt006

     This photo showing some of the steering control parts.  PPickeral hooked me up with a great machinist that completed this part of the project. 
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Post by: NowhereMan on April 11, 2016, 07:52:56 PM
Nice.

And post some pictures of your fihing adventures.
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Post by: FishingForTheCure on April 11, 2016, 10:33:18 PM
Just at Jim's shop a few days ago.  Definitely anticipation in the air down there.  Safe travels Jim!  Looks like the cable I picked up will work out well.
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Post by: ppickerell on April 12, 2016, 08:55:11 AM
   Heads up Amigos.       I'm headed east in the early morning hours finally!   

  Going to mold us up some G2's   Making a stop in Corpus Christi along the way for some Gulf Coast fishing if the weather Gods are merciful.      Should be back with a load in about two weeks... 

 Thanks for everyone's patience !    See y'all on the flip side.    :smt006

     This photo showing some of the steering control parts.  PPickeral hooked me up with a great machinist that completed this part of the project.

Made in America by Americans!
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Post by: Carlsbad Kook on April 13, 2016, 11:38:18 AM
When is the expected release date?  This would be a perfect 2nd addition to compliment my hobie outfitter! Any idea of MSRP including mirage drive pod and rudder? 

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Post by: chaeki on April 13, 2016, 12:12:56 PM
When is the expected release date?  This would be a perfect 2nd addition to compliment my hobie outfitter! Any idea of MSRP including mirage drive pod and rudder? 

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Maybe time to do a group buy, lol?
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Post by: Baitman on April 19, 2016, 06:21:33 PM
 I'm currently sitting in this incredible Amish hotel.  The Leola Village Inn.  Spent a good 12 hour day tweeking the mold.  The first part we ran came out great, except for the two rear scuppers are not closing off.  Trying a "trick" to remedy the situation... gotta wait until tomorrow to run a third kayak from it...    Surprisingly , the components all fit together perfectly.. Tracks, pods, etc...  Huge relief, because I gotta confess, I did have a few doubts.  Those sort of things don't usually come out right the first time like that..   
   Sweet Water IPA in hand, celebrating the " birth " of my baby...  Ahhhh Life is good !   
    Cheers y'all,   I'll update tomorrow's results.  Fingers crossed.
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Post by: Jedmo on April 19, 2016, 07:26:04 PM
I'm in the group buy if there will be one.  :smt001

Jedmo
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Post by: Carlsbad Kook on April 19, 2016, 07:33:02 PM
I'm in the group buy if there will be one.  :smt001

Jedmo
Me too [emoji106]

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Title: Re: Pedal drive for Raptor SOT?
Post by: NowhereMan on April 19, 2016, 07:54:40 PM
I'm currently sitting in this incredible Amish hotel.  The Leola Village Inn.  Spent a good 12 hour day tweeking the mold.  The first part we ran came out great, except for the two rear scuppers are not closing off.  Trying a "trick" to remedy the situation... gotta wait until tomorrow to run a third kayak from it...    Surprisingly , the components all fit together perfectly.. Tracks, pods, etc...  Huge relief, because I gotta confess, I did have a few doubts.  Those sort of things don't usually come out right the first time like that..   
   Sweet Water IPA in hand, celebrating the " birth " of my baby...  Ahhhh Life is good !   
    Cheers y'all,   I'll update tomorrow's results.  Fingers crossed.

Great news!
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Post by: FishingForTheCure on April 19, 2016, 09:40:39 PM
I'm currently sitting in this incredible Amish hotel.  The Leola Village Inn.  Spent a good 12 hour day tweeking the mold.  The first part we ran came out great, except for the two rear scuppers are not closing off.  Trying a "trick" to remedy the situation... gotta wait until tomorrow to run a third kayak from it...    Surprisingly , the components all fit together perfectly.. Tracks, pods, etc...  Huge relief, because I gotta confess, I did have a few doubts.  Those sort of things don't usually come out right the first time like that..   
   Sweet Water IPA in hand, celebrating the " birth " of my baby...  Ahhhh Life is good !   
    Cheers y'all,   I'll update tomorrow's results.  Fingers crossed.
Great news!  Glad to hear the hard work is coming to fruition.  I got to take my 'project' off the test stand this past weekend & take it for its first test spin.  I KNOW now you are feeling ... though you have a few more hours invested in your baby so far.  I don't think I'll match your hour count one-for-one.  :smt002 :smt003
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Post by: Sin Coast on April 19, 2016, 10:27:55 PM
Exciting stuff Jim!!
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Post by: Sailfish on April 20, 2016, 02:50:45 AM
Please post some pictures if you can!
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Post by: seabird on April 22, 2016, 12:11:53 PM
Yes! Pictures!
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Post by: Sailfish on April 22, 2016, 12:45:09 PM
Saw pictures on FB  :smt007
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Post by: Sin Coast on April 22, 2016, 01:32:17 PM
Do these links work for non-Facebookers?
https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/t31.0-8/13072730_1039656542750337_6570550122265652360_o.jpg

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12987026_1039791449403513_7670762552162502403_n.jpg?oh=220d0360b4bdacd2e954135ca81980d1&oe=5775FE0D
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Post by: Rock Hopper on April 22, 2016, 01:52:22 PM
Do these links work for non-Facebookers?
https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/t31.0-8/13072730_1039656542750337_6570550122265652360_o.jpg

https://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/12987026_1039791449403513_7670762552162502403_n.jpg?oh=220d0360b4bdacd2e954135ca81980d1&oe=5775FE0D

Yup
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Post by: FishingForTheCure on April 22, 2016, 01:56:41 PM
That mold rig is awesome! :smt007
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Post by: Carlsbad Kook on April 22, 2016, 02:37:36 PM
I can't wait to see the final product!  I have money burning a hole in my pocket for a new yak  :smt002
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Post by: ppickerell on April 22, 2016, 04:58:57 PM
Badass. Have you had it on the water yet Jim? How soon before we begin development on a drive like this (see below) so users can have reverse? No pressure man!

 
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Post by: NowhereMan on April 23, 2016, 05:52:20 AM
This just keeps getting better and better...
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Post by: Baitman on April 24, 2016, 11:59:26 AM
I've been here in PA a whole week now... so far we've only made a few good kayaks... working out the kinks in the mold.   Some of the flanges didn't fit right...  other parts needed adjusting.    I literally spent the entire night in this 40,000 sq ft warehouse all alone. Pulled my truck inside and camped here..   Worked on the mold until about 10 last night, welding, shaping, drilling...
 Finally learned how to tig weld aluminum !  University of Hard Knocks...   :smt044    Now if I can learn how to operate this new lap top... I'd post some pics.
  This is fun !  ( I think not )
   Parts all seem to fit perfectly,,, so must have done something right this time. 


 
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Post by: Baitman on April 24, 2016, 12:08:58 PM
computer just taught me how to download photo's from Iphone...  LOL
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Post by: Carlsbad Kook on April 24, 2016, 12:10:39 PM
computer just taught me how to download photo's from Iphone...  LOL
Take my money [emoji12]

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Post by: CptSloppywood on April 24, 2016, 12:40:38 PM
Looks BADASS!! Now I really want one :smt007
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Post by: eelkram on April 24, 2016, 12:46:54 PM
 :jawdrop  That looks sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!
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Post by: Baitman on April 24, 2016, 03:06:44 PM
Thanks,,,      OK,,,  I got yellow's   Sand,, and, one wierd green one.

   Color options anybody?   Going to ask them to attempt a mix, maybe Red / black mix.   or Lime/ black.    Black Mango's?

   Still not out of the woods yet.    I made a lot of modifications to the mold over the weekend.  The hope was to improve it... but ya never know .   
      " Dammit Jim, you're a carpenter, not a welder."
  Beer Thirty... Out.
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Post by: Carlsbad Kook on April 24, 2016, 03:08:24 PM
Thanks,,,      OK,,,  I got yellow's   Sand,, and, one wierd green one.

   Color options anybody?   Going to ask them to attempt a mix, maybe Red / black mix.   or Lime/ black.    Black Mango's?

   Still not out of the woods yet.    I made a lot of modifications to the mold over the weekend.  The hope was to improve it... but ya never know .   
      " Dammit Jim, you're a carpenter, not a welder."
  Beer Thirty... Out.
Red/black

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Post by: NowhereMan on April 24, 2016, 04:15:43 PM
I'll take whatever color sharks like the least...
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Post by: Carlsbad Kook on April 24, 2016, 04:23:35 PM
I'll take whatever color sharks like the least...
Yum yum yellow, they hate yellow [emoji6]

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Post by: eelkram on April 24, 2016, 05:27:03 PM
I'll take a lime/black
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Post by: chaeki on April 24, 2016, 05:34:45 PM
Orange/Yellow/Red mixed
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Post by: Carlsbad Kook on April 24, 2016, 07:07:02 PM
Thanks,,,      OK,,,  I got yellow's   Sand,, and, one wierd green one.

   Color options anybody?   Going to ask them to attempt a mix, maybe Red / black mix.   or Lime/ black.    Black Mango's?

   Still not out of the woods yet.    I made a lot of modifications to the mold over the weekend.  The hope was to improve it... but ya never know .   
      " Dammit Jim, you're a carpenter, not a welder."
  Beer Thirty... Out.

When will you be taking some orders? Looking forward to see the rudder all set up on there too!

+1
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Post by: Duckguy on April 24, 2016, 08:01:49 PM
Maybe a nice duck blind camo?
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Post by: Sin Coast on April 25, 2016, 12:00:39 PM
I'm good with sand, red/black, or yellow. All easy to see on the ocean.
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Post by: beerhunter on April 25, 2016, 12:16:28 PM
We know what color #001 is  :smt004
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Post by: Super Dave on April 25, 2016, 12:54:49 PM
yellow/black sounds good
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Post by: NowhereMan on April 25, 2016, 02:15:57 PM
I'm good with sand, red/black, or yellow. All easy to see on the ocean.

Visibility, definitely. But I'm not sure that black is such a good idea.
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Post by: Super Dave on April 25, 2016, 03:31:01 PM
Good point I'll stick with yellow.
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Post by: Mienboy on April 25, 2016, 07:19:28 PM
computer just taught me how to download photo's from Iphone...  LOL
You left the old three point design,not to piss in your coffee but I'm  more into the g1 design,I see that this design is more practical but I think the g1 has an original look.
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Post by: Salty. on April 25, 2016, 07:24:31 PM
Two things. How heavy? How fast with mirage drive & turbo fins? Thanks!
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Post by: NowhereMan on April 25, 2016, 08:22:13 PM
How fast with mirage drive & turbo fins?

Depends on the engine...
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Post by: AlsHobieOutback on April 26, 2016, 09:28:32 AM
Red please!  :smt003
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Post by: Squidder K on April 26, 2016, 09:55:00 AM
Two things. How heavy? How fast with mirage drive & turbo fins? Thanks!

Was that with or without a tail wind? Against or with the current?  Weight of paddler, waxed hull, or really scratched up.  A few too many variables at this point time.  The poor man barely has them out of the mold.
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Post by: funpilot on April 26, 2016, 01:58:42 PM
I agree that the original does look more unique, but the new G2 looks more practical. If it has the same surfing stability as the original it would be my first choice.  Looking to put the wife behind me in that big playground. Perhaps he should continue to offer both if that would work.
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Post by: Jeremy on April 26, 2016, 06:03:51 PM
Hold up everyone, but did nobody catch the logo?  I'm not a dedicated Santa Cruz follower, but I don't recognize that logo, and it doesn't look like a "raptor" to me! Renamed for the new model? Dragon?
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Post by: Sailfish on April 26, 2016, 06:10:38 PM
Hold up everyone, but did nobody catch the logo?  I'm not a dedicated Santa Cruz follower, but I don't recognize that logo, and it doesn't look like a "raptor" to me! Renamed for the new model? Dragon?

That logo looks like a fish to me  :smt001
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Post by: CptSloppywood on April 26, 2016, 06:52:55 PM
Hold up everyone, but did nobody catch the logo?  I'm not a dedicated Santa Cruz follower, but I don't recognize that logo, and it doesn't look like a "raptor" to me! Renamed for the new model? Dragon?

That logo looks like a fish to me  :smt001
   Yeah I see a Fish and its a really cool logo IMO
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Post by: eelkram on April 27, 2016, 02:36:29 AM
Hold up everyone, but did nobody catch the logo?  I'm not a dedicated Santa Cruz follower, but I don't recognize that logo, and it doesn't look like a "raptor" to me! Renamed for the new model? Dragon?

That logo looks like a fish to me  :smt001
   Yeah I see a Fish and its a really cool logo IMO

I see a fish head... and an ear.  But regardless, I think it would look great on a t-shirt/sweatshirt... in XL... with me wearing it.  :smt003
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Post by: eelkram on April 27, 2016, 02:37:46 AM
Hold up everyone, but did nobody catch the logo?  I'm not a dedicated Santa Cruz follower, but I don't recognize that logo, and it doesn't look like a "raptor" to me! Renamed for the new model? Dragon?

That logo looks like a fish to me  :smt001
   Yeah I see a Fish and its a really cool logo IMO

I see a fish head... and an ear.  But regardless, I think it would look great on a t-shirt/sweatshirt... in XL... with me wearing it.  :smt003
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Post by: kayakjack on April 27, 2016, 05:58:11 AM
wheres the other half of the kayak?
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Post by: Rock Hopper on April 27, 2016, 06:59:18 AM
wheres the other half of the kayak?

Haha...when I first saw the pic I thought it was half a kayak, as well.
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Post by: NowhereMan on April 27, 2016, 08:23:41 AM
wheres the other half of the kayak?

Haha...when I first saw the pic I thought it was half a kayak, as well.

Maybe there will be a battleship mode, where you can hook 2 of them together back-to-back.
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Post by: Duckguy on April 27, 2016, 10:09:00 AM
wheres the other half of the kayak?

Haha...when I first saw the pic I thought it was half a kayak, as well.
d

Maybe there will be a battleship mode, where you can hook 2 of them together back-to-back.
I volunteer to sell tickets, beer and hotdogs for folks who want to watch somebody else launch  the battleship Raptor!
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Post by: Baitman on April 28, 2016, 03:57:50 PM
computer just taught me how to download photo's from Iphone...  LOL
You left the old three point design,not to piss in your coffee but I'm  more into the g1 design,I see that this design is more practical but I think the g1 has an original look.
    Hey gang,  Just got into Dallas this morning. 1467 miles in two days. 

   Would you believe I have 11 G2's ( with the G2 logo )  :smt002     on the trailer,, still have not paddled it yet.      Big demo day event up here on Lewisville lake on Saturday.  That's going to be my first opportunity.   I still have to mount a seat.  Bill Bragman from Yak Gear ( Viking kayaks) is here, I think Ty Southerland will be too.
   
   The pedal adapter mold finally completed and shipped to the roto molder just today.  Looks like we won't be able to test the pedal speed for another week, when I return.    My wife is flying in tomorrow to help with the event, then we plan on driving back together with a stop to see the Grand Canyon..  check this off the bucket list.   
  Lot's of yellow's ( Sonny)  a few sand and one or two lime ...   half are " blems "  minor stupid stuff. " mold operator didn't put in a insert,, or put them in wrong....   grrrrrrrr   Some people just need a smack.
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Post by: CptSloppywood on April 28, 2016, 04:20:33 PM
Excellent!!!  Party on!!!! :smt003
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Post by: LilRiverMan on April 28, 2016, 05:40:40 PM
I am so looking forward to a Demo Day here. How about a model launch party and demo day at Davenport ?
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Post by: Carlsbad Kook on April 29, 2016, 08:02:37 AM
computer just taught me how to download photo's from Iphone...  LOL
You left the old three point design,not to piss in your coffee but I'm  more into the g1 design,I see that this design is more practical but I think the g1 has an original look.
    Hey gang,  Just got into Dallas this morning. 1467 miles in two days. 

   Would you believe I have 11 G2's ( with the G2 logo )  :smt002     on the trailer,, still have not paddled it yet.      Big demo day event up here on Lewisville lake on Saturday.  That's going to be my first opportunity.   I still have to mount a seat.  Bill Bragman from Yak Gear ( Viking kayaks) is here, I think Ty Southerland will be too.
   
   The pedal adapter mold finally completed and shipped to the roto molder just today.  Looks like we won't be able to test the pedal speed for another week, when I return.    My wife is flying in tomorrow to help with the event, then we plan on driving back together with a stop to see the Grand Canyon..  check this off the bucket list.   
  Lot's of yellow's ( Sonny)  a few sand and one or two lime ...   half are " blems "  minor stupid stuff. " mold operator didn't put in a insert,, or put them in wrong....   grrrrrrrr   Some people just need a smack.
I can't wait to see pictures of these bad boys OTW!

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Post by: Baitman on April 29, 2016, 08:43:22 AM
I am so looking forward to a Demo Day here. How about a model launch party and demo day at Davenport ?
  That could work.    Gotta watch the swell forecast.     HMB ?
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Post by: AlsHobieOutback on April 29, 2016, 08:52:22 AM
wtf?  Santa Cruz baby!  :smt044 :smt005 :smt003
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Post by: LilRiverMan on April 29, 2016, 09:01:22 AM
Santa Cruz ? Limited and expensive parking, Harbor issues,  Permits? and more important where do we BBQ the mandogs?
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Post by: AlsHobieOutback on April 29, 2016, 09:08:54 AM
Well yeah it might be easier at HMB.  But this isn't HMB Kayaks, it's Santa Cruz Kayaks!   :smt044 
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Post by: jrsuperman on April 29, 2016, 03:44:07 PM
So.. What's the estimated price of the kayak with hobie adapters? Will I fit a hullavator?(yes dumb question)
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Post by: Hojoman on April 29, 2016, 04:47:20 PM
Homewad bound!! :smt001
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Post by: Baitman on May 01, 2016, 09:11:27 PM
Homewad bound!! :smt001
   Gallup New Mexico.    You wouldn't believe the amount of snow up here... In MAY !   
    Next stop... Grand Canyon !  :smt006
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Post by: FishingForTheCure on May 01, 2016, 09:29:43 PM
Homewad bound!! :smt001
   Gallup New Mexico.    You wouldn't believe the amount of snow up here... In MAY !   
    Next stop... Grand Canyon !  :smt006
Hurry up & get home already.  I need to start making the buck for the car body  :smt002
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Post by: Baitman on May 05, 2016, 05:29:41 PM
I'm Baaaack,  but waiting on parts coming up from SoCal.   Got a little more rigging to do,,  Three are ready for adoption.
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Post by: Baitman on May 05, 2016, 05:40:23 PM
Drive unit view
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Post by: Mienboy on May 05, 2016, 05:43:37 PM
Mmmm you are gonna get me in trouble with the wife,I'm so glad you did this.im tired of paying hobie prices for yaks that have a bunch of imperfections,and when you bring it up the answer you get is that's just the production standard and hobie won't warranty it.only reason for me buying hobies is because of the pedal drive
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Post by: Carlsbad Kook on May 05, 2016, 06:01:12 PM
Drive unit view
Any on the water testing?  Looks good!

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Post by: Sin Coast on May 05, 2016, 06:03:29 PM
Hell yeah, lookin good. Can't wait to check it out!
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Post by: CptSloppywood on May 05, 2016, 06:17:25 PM
You sir are ahead of the pack! Genius!!! Someday I will own one of those beauties!!! :smt003
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Post by: eelkram on May 05, 2016, 06:26:37 PM
Is the bottom one the "weird" green one you spoke of?  Looks like a nice shade of Olive Drab.  :smt003
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Post by: Baitman on May 05, 2016, 08:38:27 PM
Is the bottom one the "weird" green one you spoke of?  Looks like a nice shade of Olive Drab.  :smt003

 That one needs some serious work...     Out of 14   Only 4 were good ones. :smt012  The others all are missing an insert, or need some welding,,,   F'ng guys running the oven were too busy looking at their cell phones.   :smt011
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Post by: beerhunter on May 05, 2016, 09:49:40 PM
Nice! :smt007
I might have to swing by during lunch tomorrow :smt003 :smt006
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Post by: Baitman on May 06, 2016, 05:06:19 AM
Drive unit view
Any on the water testing?  Looks good!
Dallas.   Demo event.  We raced a Viking 200 yds to the bouy.    Viking won by only a boat length.
  The wake from a 250 lb paddler was non-existent. It turns easier, faster, and I headed into some deep choppy water to see how the change in the bow shape worked to eliminate hull slap I'd sometimes get. Zero slappyness!
  (I just make up words )  Very happy with the results !
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Post by: Carlsbad Kook on May 06, 2016, 08:33:23 AM
Drive unit view
Any on the water testing?  Looks good!
Dallas.   Demo event.  We raced a Viking 200 yds to the bouy.    Viking won by only a boat length.
  The wake from a 250 lb paddler was non-existent. It turns easier, faster, and I headed into some deep choppy water to see how the change in the bow shape worked to eliminate hull slap I'd sometimes get. Zero slappyness!
  (I just make up words )  Very happy with the results !

Do you have an estimated release date?  I'm very interested in a G2 with the mirage drive adapter, rudder, and comfort seat.  I'm moving to So Cal mid-June and was hoping to pick a G2 up before then, is that going to be a possibility?  Do you have dealers in North San Diego County?
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Post by: Sailfish on May 06, 2016, 11:00:06 AM
If I can make GSX next weekend,  will mine be ready?  :smt001
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Post by: cochino on May 06, 2016, 11:01:25 AM
Boats look great  :smt007.  Cant wait to get my hands on one  :smt003
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Post by: LilRiverMan on May 06, 2016, 11:17:41 AM
Drive unit view
Any on the water testing?  Looks good!
Dallas.   Demo event.  We raced a Viking 200 yds to the bouy.    Viking won by only a boat length.
  The wake from a 250 lb paddler was non-existent. It turns easier, faster, and I headed into some deep choppy water to see how the change in the bow shape worked to eliminate hull slap I'd sometimes get. Zero slappyness!
  (I just make up words )  Very happy with the results !

Was the race with the Viking strictly paddle or were you using a mirage drive ?
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Post by: agoodhi on May 06, 2016, 11:27:19 AM
Drive unit view

jim... looks sweet!  may have to stop by soon with a growler of fresh homebrew.

--ryan
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Post by: Str8FishiN on May 06, 2016, 11:38:20 AM
Looking good Jim!  Congratulations on G2!!!
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Post by: Bulldog---Alex on May 06, 2016, 12:13:44 PM
If I can make GSX next weekend,  will mine be ready?  :smt001
As many kayaks as you go through Sonny. You should see if they have a leasing program.  :smt001
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Post by: FishHunt(Ty) on May 06, 2016, 01:19:02 PM
I want to demo this new kayak since it can do both paddle and peddle. I can not paddle my revo13. One of my leg gone cramp and it stuck at sea.
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Post by: cam3087 on May 06, 2016, 08:10:07 PM
I'm pretty interested in this kayak  but those rigid side handles could get in the way, especially when diving. Wonder if I could swap  out for webbing.

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Post by: Baitman on May 07, 2016, 08:49:46 AM
    Already removed those side handles,,, swapped out for webbing style.   

    Sonny,, Yours will be ready Tuesday afternoon.    Just waiting on the hatch cover to arrive for the "Gear Pod"

    I only have three of the Gear pods..   Hoping the rest will arrive this week.  They've had the order for weeks now.... :smt012

 
Drive unit view

jim... looks sweet!  may have to stop by soon with a growler of fresh homebrew.

--ryan

:smt007
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Post by: NowhereMan on May 07, 2016, 09:22:56 AM
    Already removed those side handles,,, swapped out for webbing style.   

    Sonny,, Yours will be ready Tuesday afternoon.    Just waiting on the hatch cover to arrive for the "Gear Pod"

Is it too late to change my name to Sonny?
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Post by: cam3087 on May 07, 2016, 10:00:37 AM
    Already removed those side handles,,, swapped out for webbing style.   

    Sonny,, Yours will be ready Tuesday afternoon.    Just waiting on the hatch cover to arrive for the "Gear Pod"

    I only have three of the Gear pods..   Hoping the rest will arrive this week.  They've had the order for weeks now.... :smt012

 
Drive unit view

jim... looks sweet!  may have to stop by soon with a growler of fresh homebrew.

--ryan

:smt007
Awesome! This looks like it could be my next kayak. Can't wait!

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Post by: kayakjack on May 07, 2016, 10:06:31 AM
Cant wait to take one for a spin. This is very exciting.
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Post by: Squidder K on May 07, 2016, 12:34:46 PM
I got to try before I buy, (the minster of finance does not approve blind kayak purchases)but I think I was one of the first to post that the raptor with a peddle drive would be the perfect yak (IMHO). 

Dumb question, but any chance this will be set for a sail as well in the future?
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Post by: NowhereMan on May 07, 2016, 05:36:09 PM
Dumb question, but any chance this will be set for a sail as well in the future?

As soon as I get mine, there'll be at least one sailing...
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Post by: Baitman on May 07, 2016, 07:50:15 PM
Rigging the rudder control today. some parts arrived last night.      That plus getting more G2's ready for pick up.

  May get to take this out for the maiden test pedal tomorrow.  All looking good so far.
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Post by: Duckguy on May 07, 2016, 11:59:27 PM
Looking great, Jim! I want to come test one out, but it's a pretty good haul from Sacramento. When can I come down and be reasonably sure there will be boat(s) ready to try? (It's going to be my birthday gift from my VERY loving wife!)

Dan
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Post by: Baitman on May 08, 2016, 07:35:28 PM
 If you only knew how many pedal driven contraptions I'd put in the water at this same spot... 

   I've only tested a Hobie once,,, for a few hundred yards.  It takes a bit getting used too.     First thing I did was reach for the paddle.      Then I couldn't quite understand why it was so slow in turning upwind.   I thought I had the rudder all the way over...  Then about 50 yds out realized the rudder was up the whole time...  LOL.     What can I say... I was excited.   It worked !

     https://youtu.be/thXA1dQ8B4k

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Post by: OVillanueva on May 08, 2016, 08:01:37 PM
Congratulations! Beautifully executed work! Looks like I may have found my first kayak.
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Post by: krusty on May 08, 2016, 08:12:27 PM
Why not mount the tiller on a horizontal surface so you can have a left right control? Having a fore aft tiller control is not intuitive at all.
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Post by: Str8FishiN on May 08, 2016, 09:06:32 PM
You're supposed to put the paddle away Jim!   :smt044 :smt044 :smt044 Congrats bro!  Let's get some chrome on that thing!!! 
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Post by: Duckguy on May 08, 2016, 10:55:17 PM
That looks just right! Nice job, Jim. :smt007
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Post by: Baitman on May 09, 2016, 07:20:01 AM
Why not mount the tiller on a horizontal surface so you can have a left right control? Having a fore aft tiller control is not intuitive at all.
   Where would that be?   Where it get's in the way climbing into it?   On the floor where you'd step on it?

    It's not all that confusing.  If the boat is turning right and you want it to go the other direction, pull back on the lever to adjust it to go left.
 Fwd= Right       Back= Left.
 
    I will say this.   If you're looking for steering control that will allow you to wind through an obstacle course, this is not the kayak for you.    The keels prevent it from swinging around. The rudder will allow you to control a course.    I'm going to play around with a larger size rudder fin to see how that changes things, but not expecting a big difference.       The larger the rudder, the more drag it creates.   It was pretty windy yesterday in the video, with a strong outgoing current both going the same direction.

    BTW  Anybody notice the otter playing 15' away? 
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Post by: charles on May 09, 2016, 07:53:21 AM
Why not mount the tiller on a horizontal surface so you can have a left right control? Having a fore aft tiller control is not intuitive at all.

One gets used to a different rudder control than Hobie's in a hurry. Having the control out of the way is more important than repeating Hobie's system.
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Post by: NowhereMan on May 09, 2016, 07:58:16 AM
This looks great!
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Post by: NowhereMan on May 09, 2016, 08:01:38 AM
Why not mount the tiller on a horizontal surface so you can have a left right control? Having a fore aft tiller control is not intuitive at all.

One gets used to a different rudder control than Hobie's in a hurry. Having the control out of the way is more important than repeating Hobie's system.

+1

If you put Hobie's knob on their rudder control, it becomes a challenge to self-rescue on that side of the boat---at least on my 2013 Adventure. It looks like that's not going to be an issue with the G2.
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Post by: Carlsbad Kook on May 09, 2016, 09:11:51 AM
If you only knew how many pedal driven contraptions I'd put in the water at this same spot... 

   I've only tested a Hobie once,,, for a few hundred yards.  It takes a bit getting used too.     First thing I did was reach for the paddle.      Then I couldn't quite understand why it was so slow in turning upwind.   I thought I had the rudder all the way over...  Then about 50 yds out realized the rudder was up the whole time...  LOL.     What can I say... I was excited.   It worked !

     https://youtu.be/thXA1dQ8B4k

Are these available for demo now? 
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Post by: iairj84 on May 09, 2016, 09:22:58 AM
This is such an awesome development!! Wish I was closer and could demo at some point!
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Post by: Baitman on May 09, 2016, 10:14:33 AM
Are these available for demo now? 

           This one is... Still waiting on a shipment of parts
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Post by: Bulldog---Alex on May 09, 2016, 01:36:08 PM
Rudder control seems like something simple to get use to.  :dontknow:  :smt001

Hope to get some time to Demo one SOOONNN .  Never tried one . looks interesting .
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Post by: FishingForTheCure on May 09, 2016, 01:39:44 PM
That rudder control looks a lot like the stick steering that is ever so popular in the FL/LA market with boats.  Takes just a short bit to get used to ... Kinda like a sailboat rudder. :smt044
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Post by: cochino on May 10, 2016, 10:10:57 AM
Why not mount the tiller on a horizontal surface so you can have a left right control? Having a fore aft tiller control is not intuitive at all.

One gets used to a different rudder control than Hobie's in a hurry. Having the control out of the way is more important than repeating Hobie's system.

+1

If you put Hobie's knob on their rudder control, it becomes a challenge to self-rescue on that side of the boat---at least on my 2013 Adventure. It looks like that's not going to be an issue with the G2.

 Not going to have an issue with the self rescue , its darn near impossible to flip that bad boy  :smt003
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Post by: AlsHobieOutback on May 10, 2016, 10:31:16 AM
Are these available for demo now? 

           This one is... Still waiting on a shipment of parts
So... what ya doing this weekend eh Jim?  :smt003
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Post by: Duckguy on May 10, 2016, 10:52:38 AM
Why not mount the tiller on a horizontal surface so you can have a left right control? Having a fore aft tiller control is not intuitive at all.

One gets used to a different rudder control than Hobie's in a hurry. Having the control out of the way is more important than repeating Hobie's system.

+1

If you put Hobie's knob on their rudder control, it becomes a challenge to self-rescue on that side of the boat---at least on my 2013 Adventure. It looks like that's not going to be an issue with the G2.

 Not going to have an issue with the self rescue , its darn near impossible to flip that bad boy  :smt003

Not to mention that you can all but walk up onto the stern to get back in if you fall off while using it as an SUP.  :smt044
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Post by: Baitman on May 10, 2016, 11:55:03 AM
Are these available for demo now? 

           This one is... Still waiting on a shipment of parts
So... what ya doing this weekend eh Jim?  :smt003
   Should have most of the Pre-orders ready to fill this weekend.    Also planning on a video shoot at SWS,,with Chaeki
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Post by: Carlsbad Kook on May 10, 2016, 03:46:09 PM
Are these available for demo now? 

           This one is... Still waiting on a shipment of parts
So... what ya doing this weekend eh Jim?  :smt003
   Should have most of the Pre-orders ready to fill this weekend.    Also planning on a video shoot at SWS,,with Chaeki
Any word on pricing?

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Post by: LilRiverMan on May 12, 2016, 03:10:17 PM
How is the rudder lowered and raised? Manually ?
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Post by: Baitman on May 12, 2016, 08:27:05 PM
How is the rudder lowered and raised? Manually ?
    Mental Telepathy.  :smt003

     Man,,, I've been at the shop all week long,,, not a soul dropped by.    Lonely out there...  LOL.     Got them all rigged, except for the last parts all scheduled to be delivered tomorrow , late.   
   Sunday is probably going to be the best day for everyone to come in and grab their pre-orders.    You saved a ton!   Price on this is $1,540.00  plus tax.      (Those that pre-purchased, sales tax is due at time of pick-up.  )
  Thanks to all for your help, and patience waiting for this to launch!   :smt006   Last few months seem like a year to me.
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Post by: LilRiverMan on May 13, 2016, 08:07:41 AM
How is the rudder lowered and raised? Manually ?

 Mental Telepathy.  :smt003

Ahhh The Force is strong in this one !
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Post by: Carlsbad Kook on May 13, 2016, 01:52:48 PM
How is the rudder lowered and raised? Manually ?
    Mental Telepathy.  :smt003

     Man,,, I've been at the shop all week long,,, not a soul dropped by.    Lonely out there...  LOL.     Got them all rigged, except for the last parts all scheduled to be delivered tomorrow , late.   
   Sunday is probably going to be the best day for everyone to come in and grab their pre-orders.    You saved a ton!   Price on this is $1,540.00  plus tax.      (Those that pre-purchased, sales tax is due at time of pick-up.  )
  Thanks to all for your help, and patience waiting for this to launch!   :smt006   Last few months seem like a year to me.

Does that $1,540 include the drive adapter, rudder, and comfort seat?
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Post by: Baitman on May 13, 2016, 09:25:11 PM
How is the rudder lowered and raised? Manually ?

 Mental Telepathy.  :smt003

Ahhh The Force is strong in this one !

    :smt044 :smt044 :smt044

    No sir,,  1,540.  + The Rudder, adapter and control kit adds another 200 to it.    Comfort Seating included in the MSRP
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Post by: Brewski on May 17, 2016, 07:10:17 AM
Can you provide some dimensions, specifically the width at a couple of places? I am going to be in the market for another kayak in a couple of months and want to see if the G2 will fit on my roof rack next to my revo.
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Post by: Baitman on May 17, 2016, 07:21:57 AM
Can you provide some dimensions, specifically the width at a couple of places? I am going to be in the market for another kayak in a couple of months and want to see if the G2 will fit on my roof rack next to my revo.

    Stop by my shop with your Revo loaded next time you're passing through.  We can see what's the best way to load it.    Also you can take one out for a demo .   Elkhorn Slough is a short drive away.

   The back end is 34" at it's widest.  It seems to nest well with other kayaks.
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Post by: funpilot on June 26, 2016, 12:58:45 PM
Been over a month since the last update ....
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Post by: FishingForTheCure on June 26, 2016, 01:00:03 PM
Last update... he has yaks in stock.
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Post by: Baitman on June 26, 2016, 02:11:42 PM
Been over a month since the last update ....

  Check the website...  www.santacruzkayaks.com