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Kayak Zone => Kayaks => Wilderness Systems => Topic started by: RacinRob on July 11, 2016, 01:32:24 PM

Title: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: RacinRob on July 11, 2016, 01:32:24 PM
GREENVILLE, S.C. (July 11, 2016) — Wilderness Systems today announced the exceedingly versatile Radar 115 and 135, truly unique tri-powered kayaks that can be paddled, powered by the Helix MD™ Motor Drive, or pedaled with the groundbreaking, patent-pending new Helix PD™ Pedal Drive.
“The Radar is the culmination of anything and everything a kayak angler would want or need in a fishing kayak,” said Evan Lyendecker, marketing director for Wilderness Systems. “The Radar was designed with S.M.A.R.T. Hull Technology that optimizes the boat for paddling, pedaling or motoring. Versatility is also paramount as you can choose your mode of travel and leverage fish finders simultaneously. There is nothing like it on the market today.”
The Radar’s proprietary S.M.A.R.T. Hull Technology combines stability, maneuverability, acceleration, responsiveness and tracking for optimal performance in multiple water environments and configurations. Design elements include an upswept bow for a dry ride, a defined keel line for excellent tracking, a rockered chine for responsive steering and a flat, stable platform for standing and freedom of movement in flat to rough water. A Sure to be a stand-out in the market, the Radar delivers stand-up stability without increasing the width of the hull, thanks to its S.M.A.R.T. Hull design. The boats also feature retractable rudder technology aiding in rudder longevity.
Both models feature state-of-the-art outfitting including expansive SlideTrax™ rails and a multitude of storage opportunities. Wilderness Systems’ exclusive Flex Pod system provides the versatility to deploy side-scanning or down-imaging electronics while using either of the Helix Propulsion Technologies.
Wilderness Systems’ renowned premium comfort is continued with the Radar series, which includes the award-winning patented AirPro MAX high-low seat. It can be ergonomically trimmed for paddling or pedaling positions, and can also be stowed in a vertical position to increase standing area. With its new quick adjust levers, users can slide the seat fore and aft to set leg length, essential with use of the Helix PD Pedal Drive or adjusting the trim of a fully loaded boat. The Radar 135 is also compatible with the acclaimed, patent-pending AirPro 3D seat.
The Radar features a premium, matte glass bead finish on the deck to reduce glare and is available in six colors: Desert Camo, Dusk, Mango, Midnight, Sonar, and Solar. The Radar 115 is priced at $1,349 USD, and the Radar 135 at $1,499 USD. Both will launch to retailers in January 2017.
Radar 115
Radar 135
Product Length Width Height Weight Capacity
Radar 115 11’8”/356 cm 34.5”/88 cm 15”/38 cm 82 lbs./37 kg 450 lbs./204 kg
Radar 135 13’ 6”/412 cm 34”/86 cm 15.5”/39 cm 95 lbs./43 kg 475 lbs./215 kg

Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 pics soon
Post by: krusty on July 11, 2016, 01:42:03 PM
Damn. I was hoping for a fast tarpon width boat with pedal drive. But these kayaks are fat! 34", 95lbs :fat
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 pics soon
Post by: RacinRob on July 11, 2016, 01:46:56 PM
I don't build them unfortunatly.
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: charles on July 11, 2016, 02:04:30 PM
Rob
Do you know what company manufactures the pedal drive?
Thanks
Charles
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: MontanaN8V on July 11, 2016, 02:05:05 PM
But if I buy one......you will be helping to carry the dang thing!!! :smt006  :smt044 :smt044
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: RacinRob on September 10, 2016, 07:56:10 AM
Rob
Do you know what company manufactures the pedal drive?
Thanks
Charles

We do in house. They are building the final jigs to assemble as I type this.
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: RacinRob on September 10, 2016, 08:01:25 AM
Damn. I was hoping for a fast tarpon width boat with pedal drive. But these kayaks are fat! 34", 95lbs :fat

Final weight will be out soon when the first production boats are built in the next couple weeks. It will be lighter as I was told than the original thoughts. They wanted to guess high and not disappoint by it coming out heavier. As far as width, the 115 moves very well with easy effort to keep it going 3+ mph constant. I am guessing, but know speed pretty well, and I believe it topped out around 5mph. The 135 will be faster due to the length, but I only paddled that one, and it turns very well for being wide.

The over all widths are not waterline widths.
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: Sarge on September 10, 2016, 08:48:20 PM
Very nice.
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: Javier on September 11, 2016, 07:31:50 AM
Will would the price be for the pedal drive system to add to that?
Thanks , javier
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: RacinRob on September 11, 2016, 11:41:53 AM
The Radar 115 kayak alone will be $1349. The drive, which includes the rudder system will be $1100, for a total of $2449. It fits right in line with the pricing on all the new or old systems that are or will be available soon. This kayak paddle swell too. That is the reason for the pricing and selling of it this way. Some people will only buy the kayak to paddle for sure.

There is also the Perception Pilot 120 available end of year too. It will be at $1799 last I heard including pedal drive and rudder.
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: RacinRob on September 11, 2016, 11:44:23 AM
The drive is sealed for salt water use.

I hear another one coming out is not designed for salt use. That company is designing a seperate drive to use in the salt. I have not confirmed this, but heard it from a trusted source.
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: MolonLabe916 on May 03, 2017, 01:26:51 AM
Does wilderness systems happen to give military Discounts?  :smt003
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: RacinRob on May 03, 2017, 08:53:18 AM
Wilderness does not sell direct. You need to go to a local shop that carries the brand and talk with them. Try Adventure Sports on El Camino. They will be the best price around. Tell them you are NCKA and military. Also tell them that I sent you. They will hook you up for sure.

You could also try CCK, but not sure if they discount much or not.
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: MolonLabe916 on May 26, 2017, 01:01:03 PM
Wilderness does not sell direct. You need to go to a local shop that carries the brand and talk with them. Try Adventure Sports on El Camino. They will be the best price around. Tell them you are NCKA and military. Also tell them that I sent you. They will hook you up for sure.

You could also try CCK, but not sure if they discount much or not.

OK sweet! Thanks Rob. I'll go check them out when I get back to cali.
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: MolonLabe916 on July 07, 2017, 12:03:33 PM
Ok rob, I'm ready to go pick up a RADAR 135.  Is there someone specific I should talk to at adventure kayak that will give me a good deal? I'd really appreciate the help. Thanks.
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: Weimarian on July 07, 2017, 12:13:17 PM
got mine! Radar 135 with pedal drive. Paddled this boat before i got the drive unit and it is/was AWESOME! gotta get it on the water this weekend with the drive unit to try it out but i love the kayak without it so, it can only get better!!!! Only the commander comes close to this boat as far as stability. Took a wake board boat wave that submarined me to my chest and it popped  right up and was no big deal. Pull the trigger on this one, Can't go wrong.
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: Dannarchy on July 11, 2017, 10:53:16 AM
got mine! Radar 135 with pedal drive. Paddled this boat before i got the drive unit and it is/was AWESOME! gotta get it on the water this weekend with the drive unit to try it out but i love the kayak without it so, it can only get better!!!! Only the commander comes close to this boat as far as stability. Took a wake board boat wave that submarined me to my chest and it popped  right up and was no big deal. Pull the trigger on this one, Can't go wrong.

Once you get the helix pedal drive installed can you let us know how it fishes and cruises?

I am interested in the kayak, however I'm hearing that your knees get in the way when pedaling and fishing. Compared to other pedal kayaks it's relatively slow and noisy. I have a Thresher 140 (really like) so I love that the OS Pod is interchangeable. What would your impression be using it on salt?

Thank you.
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: RacinRob on July 11, 2017, 11:21:36 AM
I am a bit biased here so take this for what it is worth.

     I am Tarpon 160 purist here. I have hated everything else from Wildy compared to my Tarpon. I have not had my Tarpon on the water since early May when I got the pedal drive. Those that know me will understand that that is REALLY saying something. I have logged well over 150 miles so far on the Radar with drive since May. My legs do not get in the way of pedaling and fishing at all. All of the pedal boats with props have the same motion and would be the same for fishing as far as your legs go. I am also able to stack the down rigger from it while Kokanee fishing very easily.  It is not slow or noisy at all. I don't know where you heard that. The only pedal kayak I know of that is faster is the Revo 13-16 with Turbos. I cruise at 3.5-4 easily and push it to a little over 5.3 for a while fully loaded with fishing gear. I have used it on the salt a few times. It handles huge swells and wind waves with little effort. I had it out at GS in 7-9' @7 secs with the wild cross swell we had. On top of that was big wind waves. Totally stable and I was able to pee off it in those conditions and never felt unsafe. Any pedal drive is great for holding position in the ocean or on windy days on a lake.

    If I did not like this kayak I would be back on my Tarpon in an instant. This kayak has changed the way I fish for the better for sure. It has a nice deck with plenty of room for standing/stretching too.

    There are several kayaks now with drives. Some are easier to use than others. I have been on most now. The Native and Wildy are the easiest to pedal for long distances that I have tried. There was one drive I was not impressed with. It wore my legs out in only a little time. It is all in the gear ratio and hull design.

    I will let you try it out any time we are fishing together. If you like the Thresher you will love the Radar. It is so much easier to fish from. The only thing I don't want to do on the Radar is dive. I could do it, but the Thresher is a much better dive platform.

Hope this helps some. I think BMB will back me up on this.
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: Dannarchy on July 11, 2017, 11:57:03 AM
I am a bit biased here so take this for what it is worth.

     I am Tarpon 160 purist here. I have hated everything else from Wildy compared to my Tarpon. I have not had my Tarpon on the water since early May when I got the pedal drive. Those that know me will understand that that is REALLY saying something. I have logged well over 150 miles so far on the Radar with drive since May. My legs do not get in the way of pedaling and fishing at all. All of the pedal boats with props have the same motion and would be the same for fishing as far as your legs go. I am also able to stack the down rigger from it while Kokanee fishing very easily.  It is not slow or noisy at all. I don't know where you heard that. The only pedal kayak I know of that is faster is the Revo 13-16 with Turbos. I cruise at 3.5-4 easily and push it to a little over 5.3 for a while fully loaded with fishing gear. I have used it on the salt a few times. It handles huge swells and wind waves with little effort. I had it out at GS in 7-9' @7 secs with the wild cross swell we had. On top of that was big wind waves. Totally stable and I was able to pee off it in those conditions and never felt unsafe. Any pedal drive is great for holding position in the ocean or on windy days on a lake.

    If I did not like this kayak I would be back on my Tarpon in an instant. This kayak has changed the way I fish for the better for sure. It has a nice deck with plenty of room for standing/stretching too.

    There are several kayaks now with drives. Some are easier to use than others. I have been on most now. The Native and Wildy are the easiest to pedal for long distances that I have tried. There was one drive I was not impressed with. It wore my legs out in only a little time. It is all in the gear ratio and hull design.

    I will let you try it out any time we are fishing together. If you like the Thresher you will love the Radar. It is so much easier to fish from. The only thing I don't want to do on the Radar is dive. I could do it, but the Thresher is a much better dive platform.

Hope this helps some. I think BMB will back me up on this.

Can I test drive it at Red white and Striper?  We talked about it at the show in Sacramento. I was really impressed with it. I'm ready to pull the trigger on a pedal drive kayak.

Thanks,
Dann
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: Weimarian on July 11, 2017, 12:17:17 PM
I will be there and can let you zoom around a bit. Rob won't be there :smt006
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: Dannarchy on July 11, 2017, 12:28:44 PM
I will be there and can let you zoom around a bit. Rob won't be there :smt006
Perfect. Thanks.


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Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: Dannarchy on July 22, 2017, 11:09:03 PM
Got my Radar 135 today in Solar green.


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Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: CptSloppywood on July 23, 2017, 10:03:23 AM
Awesome Dan. I am jealous.  :smt007
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: CptSloppywood on July 23, 2017, 10:07:36 AM
Hey what happened to the tarpon.
Auto spell tried to write "tampon". Lol
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: Dannarchy on July 23, 2017, 12:38:11 PM
Hey what happened to the tarpon.
Auto spell tried to write "tampon". Lol
I sold it to a friend. He loves it.


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Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: Dannarchy on July 23, 2017, 12:39:28 PM
Nothing was assembled. There wasn't any instructions, but I figured it out.

Maiden voyage prop came off. Lost at sea.


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Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: CptSloppywood on July 23, 2017, 01:07:48 PM
Nothing was assembled. There wasn't any instructions, but I figured it out.

Maiden voyage prop came off. Lost at sea.


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no way! That isn't how that was supposed to go.  Sorry bro. Glad the old tarpon found a good home.
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: CptSloppywood on July 23, 2017, 01:08:35 PM
I am leaning toward the dark side.
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: Dannarchy on July 23, 2017, 03:49:16 PM
I am leaning toward the dark side.
Before you go to the dark side pedal this. The 10 minutes I was pedaling it was nice. The kayak sits nice and is extremely stable. The tracking was great even when paddling.


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Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: RacinRob on July 23, 2017, 05:35:52 PM
I put on another 10 miles today trolling. The deck space on this kayak is great compared to a lot of other kayaks.

Sorry to hear about he prop.

Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: Dannarchy on July 24, 2017, 08:28:38 AM
I called wildy today. The Customer Service Rep was very professional. They are sending out a prop kit today.
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: Dannarchy on July 27, 2017, 02:51:47 PM
Got the prop lat night, installed today with loctite.
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: RacinRob on July 27, 2017, 09:42:35 PM
Got the prop lat night, installed today with loctite.

Did yo do it like the video I showed you?
Title: Re: Introducing the Wilderness Systems Radar 115 & 135 *see PDF files at bottom
Post by: Dannarchy on July 27, 2017, 09:50:33 PM
Got the prop lat night, installed today with loctite.

Did yo do it like the video I showed you?
Yes. I even took a little white n glow in the dark pain to better mark the alignment.


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