Fish Derby?

I think Ken's point is that we don't want people breaking the DFG regs. The regs are kinda weird and perhaps poorly written. Until recently I thought that rule only applied to freshwater. I makes a lot more sense to me in FW. I mean fish can get from the bay to the ocean on there own...

Ken was suggesting making it easier on event organizers by not allowing any bait not caught during the event or going "no bait". If we do either of those things then there is really no question, or at least less of a question, about where the bait came from.

 

It would be good if we could have the "from the water where taken" bit clarified.  My understanding was they meant "water body".  For example, you can catch your own minnows in Lake Tahoe and use them in Lake Tahoe, but you can't take the minnows to some other lake to fish with them.

It does need clarification...the reg says "location" where taken, not the body of water.  Common sense would interpret it to mean body of water but I recall a post from the warden saying moving live baitfish anywhere from the spot where taken would constitute transport.



Ken I don't bother with tackle at all if a good stick of dynamite is available....way more efficient.

I feel the need for a consensous vote. After talking to a friend of mine ,who takes bait and fishes our tournments, it may be the only way to get it cleared up through the democratic process.Keeping our autonomy intact, which I fill should be protected , due to the DFG being so sketchy. Or open a forum for the DFG and ask them to become monitors (on a voluntary basis) that would help them and we anglers. Or is being monitored by a goverment agency a scary proposition? BOO!

Hi all! Long time lurker, first time poster. I like the camaraderie of this site and I truly enjoy reading the forum from time to time. I'm a retired fisherman and spend my fishing days on the banks, sitting on my lawn chair with a corona in hand and enjoying the sights and sounds. I also live vicariously through all your posts. It's rare to see so many get a long so well and it's truly refreshing to know that there is such a site to where you can get away from the world class idiots out there.

Reading this self proclaimed "Tackle Whore" complain about the use of live bait is such a buzz kill. I strongly agree with what Big Dog said.

Why let someone catch bait the night before? This gives them an advantage? Let me see, do you make your artificial lures the morning of the derby? No? They are made in advance?

Sheesh, what a lame complaint.

Also agree with Bungle.

Why worry about it?  It won't affect you one way or another.

It sounds like this guy needs an excuse to make up for his lack of fishing skills. Why doesn't he just F-off and start his own livebaitless tournament and go on with his life and stop doing all these buzz kill posts. Seems like a waste of time to argue with people like this but I will ask one simple question to all the tight wads who act like game wardens when they're clearly not.

Question, Do you always drive the posted speed limits?

Thank you and you all have a nice day!

Sincerely Yours,
Nseal67

Hey Bigdog,

These guys are transporting the bait from San Francisco Bay to Half Moon Bay?  I don't think is would be consider the same body of water.

San Francisco Bay (downstream of Carquinez Bridge) and the Ocean are for all intents and purposes, the same body of water.  Covered under the Ocean regulations.  Jacksmelt, anchovies, shiner perch, sardines, whatever... they are all present and can move freely between the bay and ocean.

I think the spirit of the regulation has to be considered because it is so poorly written and ill defined.  I agree with Art's comments in finding the spirit of the regulation. 

its supposed to prevent re-distribution of species between bodies of water and species collection for pet shops and restaurants.  And those are the only times I've heard of a citation being written for it.  

Otherwise, you could take it a step farther and claim that it is illegal to buy shiners at Loch Lomond or anchovies at Berkeley, and drive them in your car to your launch spot a few miles away.   The definition of "take" includes Hunt, pursue, catch, capture or kill.  By "capturing" my bait at Loch Lomond and transporting it, I would be in violation.   Keith Fraser would be an accessory to this grave crime.  Gimme a break.  Slippery slope.

EK

It's rare to see so many get a long so well and it's truly refreshing to know that there is such a site to where you can get away from the world class idiots out there.

Agreed!

Why doesn't he just F-off and start his own livebaitless tournament and go on with his life and stop doing all these buzz kill posts. Seems like a waste of time to argue with people like this but I will ask one simple question to all the tight wads who act like game wardens when they're clearly not.

Question, Do you always drive the posted speed limits?

Well, there goes our track record regarding everyone just getting along.

I'm not saying all the regs make sense or that you'll ever get caught for some minor reg most wardens probably don't even know about.  However, our tournament rules have always stated that the fish must be caught in compliance of Ca DFG regs.  For me, the deal is that I'd like to have game wardens and the rest of the world look at us kayak anglers and our tournaments as being on the level.  I'd hate to have wardens looking to hassle us because they think we as a group don't know the regs.   Our sport is pretty young and it's starting to get noticed, lets just make sure we get noticed in a positive light.

And to answer your question.. for the most part I do follow the posted speed limits.  Especially the 25 mph school zones which really ticks the drivers behind me off.  Occasionally I'll find myself on the highway going a little over the speed limit, but I usually make a conscious effort not to.  Even if I did habitually speed, it has nothing to do with fishing regulations, kayak angling or this website.

Oh and here's another little reg for everyone to think about...technically, if you don't have an >18" landing net on board that's against the DFG regs (28.27d).  I wish we could get a game warden involved with our site like Coastside does with Warden McKiver.  It would really be nice to help clarify some of the wording and interpretation that goes on regarding these convoluted regulations.

Brian

Nseal67,

 i am sorry you don't think I fish much.  I like to get out atleast one time a week.  Look at the fishing reports.

I am a Tackle Whore...done a 17, 10, 6, and two 5 dayers out of San Deigo.  Done 2 trips out of Cabo.  Doing a 6 dayer in Aug.

I am not mad at anyone.  Just just am giving people something to think about.  When do you cross the line from what is right and wrong.  Like I said....It takes not talent to get a fish on live bait. 

Sorry to be a Buzz Kill but if we can not discuss...then we might as well live in Russia.

Ken kickfish

I'll check with DFG for clarification. 

Allen

Thanks Allen.

Brian

I don't think that the Bay and Ocean are the same.  Why would you have a season on perch in the bay and not the Ocean.  Also, you have a 1 pole rule in the bay and it is not the same in the Ocean.

Still the matter of transporting the bait.  Also, Bill, I know it did not happen because of us (Fishermen).  But, how do you explain that the Mitten Crab in our bay is good for all of us?  Saltwater, Freshwater it is all the same.

Ken Kickfish

When I noticed the Live Bait Thing, I was impressed @ the resourcefulness of our anglers.

It's no secret, and up to the individual angler as to how he/she will prepare themselves for the event,

Buying live bait @ a tackle shop is a good reference point as to how obscure this law is...

This forum is great for being able to bring up these points and discuss them...

 We have fun with each other and I feel most everyone brings up good points....

  But there is no need to go " So-Cal " and start calling names and being pissy...

 It's Guilty Entertainment ,  (Wish that SkyGreen thread was still around to read )....But,

We should remain respectful towards eachother as to be able to keep giving "Jabs" and not to worry that

we are taking ourselves too seriously, 

  This is KayakFishing,   The Kool way to Be .............Danglin

well it seems to me that the only ones that have a prob with this is the ones
that don't have the skill to catch their own live bait and keep it alive.

I can tell you that it is not easy to do, on some of the live bait trips
that I hold at ARW I have to go out at 2am to get the bait that I use.
On thouse trips some times I don't even get to sleep because it takes
me all night to get enough bait for everyone that is going to show up on that day. some guys don't want to put that kind of time in because
it is just to hardcore believe me i know.

It seems that someone wants to kill my mojo for the elk tournament
you are right to feel scared of me on this day because I will school
95% of you if not 100% because I have mastered the art of catching livebait
and keeping it alive.

so some of you don't get your pantie's in a bunch I will tell you now
that I mite not be able to make elk because of financial problems
so I hope this makes you feel a little safer

But seeing how the regs are not clear on this and it is an unenforced law and
because the bait shops don't fallow the law it should be put to a vote like
the NCKA logo was.

And if this becomes an NCKA rule and we have an oyster PT tournament than you can't buy live bait from the bait shop because it was not caught legaly because someone had to transport that bait to the shop from who knows where.  

WORD DUANE          

Like I said....It takes not talent to get a fish on live bait. 

LOL Ken, I'm gonna print this onto a shirt for your next LR trip.  We'll see what the old salts flylining baits and plugging the boat have to say about it   

Like I said....It takes not talent to get a fish on live bait. 

done a 17, 10, 6, and two 5 dayers out of San Deigo.  Done 2 trips out of Cabo.  Doing a 6 dayer in Aug.

That's funny, I used to fish off Charter Boats because all you really need to do is pay the fee, sit down, the boat captain takes you to the fishing hole, you get up, USE LIVE BAIT (which is already provided by the boat and God knows where these live bait were TRANSPORTED from) you catch fish while the deckhand HELPS you land your fish and takes the hook out FOR YOU and puts in a burlap sack FOR YOU and for a few more bucks, the deck hand will even fillet the fish FOR YOU.

I caught lot's of fish and also paid a lot of money to do so and I'll tell you one thing, it was easy and it was like shooting fish in a barrel. IMO, not a lot of skill need there. The skill only belongs to the Capt. of the boat and the crew that really did ALL the work.

This is why I'm very interested in this site. Kayak Fishermen (and women) are a breed a part. You launch, paddle the distance and find the fish yourself and at the same time, you risk more than the average fisherman on a boat.
Hat's off to you guys and gals. I have nothing but respect for all of you. I salute you!

nseal67,

You really need to start fishing again.  I know guys who have fish until the day the die.

Ken kickfish