I love Ted Nuggent

Good direction this thread has gone - reasonable discussion/questions/debate/ideas - not always the case when people bring up this topic.
Good job, NCKA!

Good direction this thread has gone - reasonable discussion/questions/debate/ideas - not always the case when people bring up this topic. Good job, NCKA!

Except for me and my Seal bowhunting fantasies--I'd tether the arrow to one of my Shimano Tekotas and listen to that drag sing. I have 30 pound Fireline--I wonder what the light tackle record is for bow-shot Seal? I am pretty sure I don't have any Aleut in me--maybe it's the kayak that brings it out. Let's see 30 pound salmon or 100 pounds of Seal for the BBQ? Tougher choice that I thought! Seal

Those little thieving b*stards have been protected enough. They'd respect us and our bait more if we had a season to hunt them. How come ancient tribal rituals like the seal hunt aren't allowed here anyway? If we allow it in Alaska, why not here--the natives here did it too. PETA probably has me on their most wanted list now. Sea Kitten serial killer wannabe--it's called hunting and man has done it for thousands of years. I am just wanting to do what the GWS does every day and help keep the population in balance

Okay, if we give up the MPLAs then we get bow hunting season for fur bags--Ted would dig that. Toss out a 'dine for bait and notch a broad point and wait.
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 I've been saying for years to open up a season on fur-bags; sell the permitts = state gets $$$; more hunting lic = state gets $$$; better fishing = more fishing lic = state gets $$$; then donatae fur-bags to homeless shelters = less $$ state pays
just a thought. BTW, great healthy conversation. I've been involved in some like this where people started getting really PO'd (not NCKA)

Do they even taste good? Cause if they taste like they smell..... jim

Thanks for the good conversation everyone. It seems most people think there is a line somewhere about what type of arms citizens can posses or am I wrong? So then is it just about where that line is drawn?

Exactly. Gun control began with the Firearm Act of 1934 in response to the popularity of BARs and Thompson submachine guns among gangsters in the 30’s. The Act was instituted for the common good and has remained virtually unchanged for 70 years. The small contingent of responsible Thompson owners were forced to sacrifice their right to automatic weapons for the benefit of society.

 This concept of sacrificing individual right for the common good is nothing new. As citizens we have many controls on possession of chemicals, biological agents, strategic metals, even knives, and the basis of these restrictions should be obvious. The physical safety of the community is deemed more important than an individual’s right to posses an item that is a substantial deadly threat. Unfortunately a few bad apple do screw it up for the rest of us, but it is something members of a community have to live with.

It’s all about the line. Anyone who has handled a semiautomatic knows how fast you can burn through a clip.  Are easily concealed large capacity weapons now a threat to society the way Thompsons were in the 30’s?

Do they even taste good? Cause if they taste like they smell..... jim

 I hear you on the smell! The taste; well Eskimo's have been eating them for centuries.

The physical safety of the community is deemed more important than an individual’s right to posses an item that is a substantial deadly threat

And next thing you know there's nothing but sparklers on 4th of July.

Piss on that!  I want a BAR.

Do they even taste good? Cause if they taste like they smell..... jim

 I hear you on the smell! The taste; well Eskimo's have been eating them for centuries.

I'm guessing it's an acquired taste...

If it is dubbed a "delicacy" in any country or culture - look out. My theory on delicacies is that it is almost always starvation food. People finally got so hungry that they's look at something and go, "hmmmmmm...".

"The beans got rotten and fermented into a sticky mess at the bottom of the clay jar. Want seconds?"
"Hey! there's a dog's testicle that slipped behind the doorstop last week when we finally had to resort to eating Rover. Sauteed or fried?"
"Dangit - the cod slipped into the vat of lye that we were using to disinfect the black plague hospital. Maybe if we boil it long enough..."

Although some of those do work out with a happy ending. Picture the cave men chasing the first chickens around (of course they were dinosaur chickens and thus very very fast), "What's that white thing that just came out of its ass? Dibbs!!!"

brave man.

I'm guessing it's an acquired taste...

If it is dubbed a "delicacy" in any country or culture - look out. My theory on delicacies is that it is almost always starvation food. People finally got so hungry that they's look at something and go, "hmmmmmm...".

  Was thinkin' the same thing!  Natto, fermented shrimp paste, etc, etc. Smells like $%#+, mmmm mmmm good!

And next thing you know there's nothing but sparklers on 4th of July.

Sparklers already banned in some fine cities.... 

I don't always love Ted...but that was sweeeet.

Cat Scratch Fever...Sea Kittens....

coincidence?  I think not

That is damn funny!

again a very controversial issue which i generally have no inclination to join the conversation in..but i believe there is a big difference between what a person wants, and what a personally genuinely believes that they need to protect themselves.  i have no issue with people who want hunting rifles, handguns, etc, but when there are NRA types out there arguing that they need a fully automatic assault rifle to protect themselves, then i believe its quite absurd.

what is the likelihood that an assault rifle would really give you additional protection if for example the local drug dealer has it out for you?  or the military/police (don't know how someone would get in that much trouble, but if the military really wanted you dead i think they would just bomb you)?  If the police want you that badly you've likely done something wrong and deserve to be captured.

the truth seems to be out there that the nations with stronger gun controls have lower murder rates - china (this may be disputed because of lack of evidence - but i've been there and i can tell you the rate is low), japan, germany, UK, etc. - is it only that the people in those countries are simply stronger willed? I somehow doubt that. 

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

It's nothing to do with hunting or personal protection.

The founding fathers saw it a protection against an oppressive govt...  and "Necessary to the security of a free State"!

China is not a good example.

the truth seems to be out there that the nations with stronger gun controls have lower murder rates - china (this may be disputed because of lack of evidence - but I've been there and i can tell you the rate is low), japan, germany, UK, etc. - is it only that the people in those countries are simply stronger willed? I somehow doubt that. 

What is the murder rate in D.C. Aren't guns completely outlawed there.
I really appreciate Where this has gone . I like all the commentary .
For self defense I'll take a 12GA. pump over a Tommy, you just have to get close not dead center.
I imagine a well aged seal could be tasty and the seal fur comforter would be nicer than the one I have made of bear or the buffalo. My only heat is a wood stove and those furs would be mighty nice.
 One seal a year limit each, shot by bow only and from a kayak in the water . That's sporting enough .
Thanks Brian

Ted is an idiot....but that doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong.   

The main problem with handguns in the home is that they are nothing more than expensive weights for throwing unless they are easily accessible and loaded. It is these conditions that make them inherently unsafe in a home with anyone that can't act 'responsibly' at all times. Unfortunately we all make mistakes in judgement at times.

I don't have the answers either...

As a side note, living outside the city, I hear what appears to be target practice kind of regularly. My question for the hunters out there...do you typically fire 8-10 consecutive rounds when hunting deer or other animals? Or is that just someone with a hard-on for acting macho?

Jay

BTW-I have liked his music all along and still do.

Wow, some serious gun owners in here. Well to mix it up I'll throw in my two rusty pennies.

I think Ted's got some emotions that are extremely extreme. IMO too extreme to be considered rational thought. It feels really good when he goes Johnny Rambo but it's just raw emotion. I doun't think we should base decisions on that. Actually he reminds me of me. I felt like that about "justice" in the world when I was a kid. I don't claim to be enlightened or know the answers to all the ills of life but I do know, through the short life I've lived, that simple answers don't solve complex problems.

For example, if we simplify our problem of protection, if every person had a gun in their pocket, how free would we be? If we made a simple comment, yelled at our friend behind some man or woman, "assh*le" and that man or woman mistook that comment as going to them, had a bad day, made a quick judgement they could end our lives. The thought of death would hover over our head every hour of every day we lived. Some may think that's freedom but I can't agree.

I believe the root of the problem is that we've already got an armed force that's made to take care of us, the police. It seems to me that the police aren't doing their job OR better yet, that there's not enough police to enforce the laws and protect us. Without arbitration we cannot free. We need our police to protect us and insure arbitration to preserve freedom.

I have lived in many countries around the world where guns are only legal to carry for hunting. And the part that confounds me is that each country didn't have any, or even close to the same amount of crime or murders, than the USA does. And let's be brutally honest, we're not that special. We have problems just like the rest of the countries in the world. We need to put our egos to the side for a second and try to learn.

Z