I love Ted Nuggent

YES! More than 9 outa 10 gun crimes are with cheap or stolen hand guns. I have baught AR15 and AK47's BRAND NEW from the store to later be told to register them as an assult weapon (WTF)! I baught them brand new from a store! Now they're are sold and I can't afford the new ones, which btw are basically the same thing!
 Don't let the mainstream media throw out that kids are killing kids because of honest gun owners leaving guns around there house. Those so called kids are usually GANG members and the look at the area's that all those killings take place.
       Guns are bad, but there sales went up after Obama; is that in support of him???

Agreed most of the way except the final points

1) most of the "postal" shooters are not gang members and they are not occurring in gang land in slums. They are at colleges, high school, right next door--but I agree that doesn't justify gun control but we do need to address it somehow while maintaining our ability to arm and protect ourselves. Read my first post.

2) I don't want my unbalanced irresponsible neighbor buying and owning a tank. Tanks are offensive weapons and I cannot afford them but I know who can. The rich control enough of our government and society, I don't want them assembling private armies. COuntries that allow that lose freedom awfully fast--again take a look at Africa.

PS We have an example right South of our border right now--the drug cartels are quasi-legal because they own most of the judiciary, executive, and legislative branches as well as the police. They have the weapons and the money and use to both to keep them and do as they please. I don't want us to lose our freedom that way.

I don't want my unbalanced irresponsible neighbor buying and owning a tank.

That's why the founding fathers in all their wisdom added the "well-regulated" part.  I have no problem with the current practice denying convicted felons, those with restraining orders, assault offenses, etc, the right to bear arms.

They imagined us facing up to an oppressive govt together, (think MLPA process).  That's what this country was founded on...  the belief that no man should be bullied by politians.

That's why the founding fathers in all their wisdom added the "well-regulated" part.  I have no problem with the current practice denying convicted felons, those with restraining orders, assault offenses, etc, the right to bear arms.

They imagined us facing up to an oppressive govt together, (think MLPA process).  That's what this country was founded on...  the belief that no man should be bullied by politians.

I could not agree with you more on that. And I'd go a bit further...

no man should be bullied by politians.

nor by the wealthy or any special interest (like PETA for instance) and the right to govern should not be inherited but earned through will of the people.

Little know fact though: 40% of the participants of the Constitutional Convention favored a limited monarchy. These were tough questions even then in a less complex and technological world. A great book to read, if you are interested is this one--its eye opening:

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I personally believe that when it comes to gun rights we should focus mainly on the words "Responsible Gun Owner".
The responsible Gun Owner would never give the code for his safe to his highschool kid's or even his unstable friends. The fact that event's like "Columbine" for instance have helped promote gun bans is insane. Why was the teen allowed to get control of the weapons in the family safe. If the family was truly a "Responsible Gun Owner" than the guns would not have been so easy for the teen to obtain.
Yes as a society we have many mental issues but the fact that we have billions of registered weapons in the U.S. to "Responsible Gun Owners" has kept the accidental fatality count to a very low average
To push this point farther - We have million's of registered vehicles in the U.S. and the annual death toll from vehicle use is over twice the annual death toll from registered guns so why doesn't anyone try to ban vehicles.
Believe me - I don't condone irresponsible gun owners and would like to see people who don't know proper gun handling become educated or loose there weapons altogather.
But if a person is a Responsible gun owner and wishes to own a gun of any sort who has the right to deny that.

YES! More than 9 outa 10 gun crimes are with cheap or stolen hand guns. I have baught AR15 and AK47's BRAND NEW from the store to later be told to register them as an assult weapon (WTF)! I baught them brand new from a store! Now they're are sold and I can't afford the new ones, which btw are basically the same thing!
 Don't let the mainstream media throw out that kids are killing kids because of honest gun owners leaving guns around there house. Those so called kids are usually GANG members and the look at the area's that all those killings take place.
       Guns are bad, but there sales went up after Obama; is that in support of him???

Agreed most of the way except the final points

1) most of the "postal" shooters are not gang members and they are not occurring in gang land in slums. They are at colleges, high school, right next door--but I agree that doesn't justify gun control but we do need to address it somehow while maintaining our ability to arm and protect ourselves. Read my first post.

2) I don't want my unbalanced irresponsible neighbor buying and owning a tank. Tanks are offensive weapons and I cannot afford them but I know who can. The rich control enough of our government and society, I don't want them assembling private armies. COuntries that allow that lose freedom awfully fast--again take a look at Africa.

PS We have an example right South of our border right now--the drug cartels are quasi-legal because they own most of the judiciary, executive, and legislative branches as well as the police. They have the weapons and the money and use to both to keep them and do as they please. I don't want us to lose our freedom that way.

 OK, I will agree with you on rich and there control on us through the gov. Also how any convicted felon shouldn't be allowed to own firearms. And even that gun owners should be more responsible with their weapons. BUT at this point it is a CRIME to require gun owners to keep ALL there firearms locked up. I have a safe, which is 749lbs empty and bolted to the concrete, but a firearm in a safe will ensure you and your family is dead if somebody wants! When I had a nephew living with me that was not exactly a good kid; all my weapons were locked. My own kids are not a worry at all! Again gun owners overall need to be more responsible but to make a law saying that I can't have a firearm unlocked in my own home is a crime to me and me families safety.

but to make a law saying that I can't have a firearm unlocked in my own home is a crime to me and me families safety.

No argument here--my gun safe is big heavy one too and while it keeps my guns from being stolen, it is not where I want my guns if I need them in a hurry. I agree its a stupid law made to protect stupid people from themselves and us from them that imperils our self defense and I cannot see how most of us are safer with its adoption.

I think gun sales are up because most folks are thinking that their gun ownership rights are going to be taken away. People are bying ammo now too for the same reason, there's a push in congress to add a tax to every round sold, so a #500 box of .22s would go up by hundreds of dollars, stock up fellas. If you dont have kids, and no kids visit your home, why lock it up? I can reach mine from bed and I like it that way. Always lock my door and when we have visitors, I unload them. Not illegal.
Good book to read, they have it at Western Outdoor Sports in S.R. is " How to own a gun in CA and stay out of jail". Great read for someone who owns or is thinking of getting a firearm. Or a flare gun for that matter, if you are caught brandishing one at someone, or otherwise doing something its not intended for, its the same thing as aiming a Glock and you will be locked up.
Ted rocks.

If you dont have kids, and no kids visit your home, why lock it up?

Thieves.  I don't know the stats, but visrtuall all gun crimes are committed with stolen guns...  which are easy to find in storage units and closets by burglars.

I have a family member who was tweaked out on meth for awhile and he ended up with a small arsenal that way.

Thanks for the good conversation everyone. It seems most people think there is a line somewhere about what type of arms citizens can posses or am I wrong? So then is it just about where that line is drawn?

Thieves.  I don't know the stats, but visrtuall all gun crimes are committed with stolen guns...  which are easy to find in storage units and closets by burglars.

Very good point and why when I am not at home, all my guns are in the safe and when I am at home almost all of them are in there. It is a big mistake to leave guns out when you are out--an intruder might find them and use them on you when you return.

It seems most people think there is a line somewhere about what type of arms citizens can posses or am I wrong? So then is it just about where that line is drawn?

I agree good conversation about an important issue (besides fishing that is).

In part yes, but also about how we decide who can possess them as well. There are people who get them who shouldn't and people who didn't have them and should have. It is a really tough and complex issue and so far we've decided as a society to err on the side of freedom. It's not perfect, but better than erring on the side of restriction--at least that's my view though either one comes at a tragic cost to society.

I view firearm possession as more of a privilege than a right--one that can de taken away--but that is troublesome as well as I'll detail later. I view it as a privilege because I don't think rights can/should ever be taken away--only privileges. There are very few rights at all in my view--even to life. Someone who tries to harm me or my family will find I'll revoke that privilege with extreme prejudice if I can. The worrisome part of it being a privilege is that the first thing a state fearful of its citizens does is take away the privilege to bear arms. So we've decided in the US to make it a fundamental right--but then that allows people to possess them who shouldn't. Damn hard problem to sort out. I wish I could see a clear answer.

Here's a true story:

When I was growing up in the Phil Islands - gun laws were not enforced. I was about 15 years old when I was hanging out in a friends house. We were watching "Taxi Driver"...my buddy then goes to his dad's room and comes back with an M-16....with a loaded magazine. He took the mag out and emptied the chamber. We took turns cocking the gun and pulling the trigger - note that the gun was not loaded and the magazine was set a side. Anyway, I took a quick break and left the gun right next to the couch that I was sitting on and continued to watch Robert De Nero go on a killing spree. My buddy then decides to put the M-16 away and proceeds to attach the loaded magazine into it. He then leaves the room for a second.....I picked up the now loaded gun and I was completely unaware of it. (at this point, my attention was at the movie that we were watching and not the gun). I cocked the gun once and a live round was now in the chamber...and I'm still clueless cause I'm so engrossed with the movie. My other buddy who was watching the movie with me had to go home so he jokingly slaps me on the back of the head and says "see you later" (like any teenager would do)....and I react by pointing the gun at him as he was making his way out the door. (by the way, he's also unaware of the fact the M-16 is now loaded) He laughs and says "that thing doesn't scare me"...I then pull the gun to my chest and pulled the trigger and BOOM! A round goes off and blows a hole through the roof   I go in total shock and my buddy starts crying and my other buddy (the one who stuck the clip back into the gun) comes running in to the room and see's what had just happened and says "my dad's gonna kill me".

His dad then comes home from work and saw what happened...he freaked out and yells as his son. He then calmly walks towards me and took me out to the back yard with the M-16 at hand. I'm thinking, "he's gonna shoot me and bury my body in the backyard  . Instead, he sat me down and taught me how to handle a gun properly  

I believe in the right to bare arms...but I also believe being educated. I believe that people with a clean record should be allowed to buy and keep a gun in the house (or use it for hunting) BUT need to take a safety class and pass it before they can be licensed.



Just my 2 cents...

We should sick Ted on the MLPA .... Bet he would'nt stop fishing .... Just a thought.

Cat Scratch Fever...Sea Kittens....

coincidence?  I think not

Cat Scratch Fever...Sea Kittens...

Okay, if we give up the MPLAs then we get bow hunting season for fur bags--Ted would dig that. Toss out a 'dine for bait and notch a broad point and wait.

Cat Scratch Fever...Sea Kittens....

coincidence?  I think not